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00:19 < fenn> sigh.. g google summer of code is for college students only
00:19 < fenn> FUCK
00:19 < fenn> i just want to blow up a university now
00:25 < any03917913> so sign up for one summer couse at a local no-name college for $80, and goto Goggle
00:58 < fenn> "howto pay for free software" http://users.puzzling.org/users/mary/HOWTO/Free/
00:58 < fenn> any03917913: i dont think it's going to work out
01:10 < any03917913> oh
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06:22 < kanzure> http://eyebeam.org/projects/opening-hardware
06:22 < kanzure> http://scienceblogs.com/commonknowledge/2010/03/open_hardware.php
06:23 < kanzure> weird how nobody from reprap was involved
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06:28 < kanzure> fenn: i wasn't aware that yolu wanted to talk with jkridner|work about gsoc
06:28 < kanzure> anyway, gsoc only gives you about $5k to both mentor and student
06:28 < kanzure> so if either of you need that money just ask
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06:44 < JayDugger> Hooray! My girlfriend and I had "the discussion," and it went better than I expected.
06:44 < klafka> about what?
06:44 < JayDugger> Guess.
06:44 < klafka> digital uploads of consciousness?
06:45 < klafka> man machine interfaces?
06:45 < JayDugger> That is a very good guess.
06:45 < JayDugger> Cyronics, actually.
06:45 < klafka> HAH
06:45 < klafka>  i thought about cryonics too JayDugger 
06:45 < klafka> have you ever read transmetropolitan?
06:45 < JayDugger> To my great good luck, she'd thought about it before she met me.
06:45 < JayDugger> Yes.
06:46 < JayDugger> I'd happily have severe future shock. Beats death.
06:46 < klafka> fair point
06:46 < klafka> come on, ride the exponential curve like kurzweil, don't you know we'll live forever ;)
06:47 < JayDugger> We can hope, but I'll buy that low-temperature lottery ticket regardless.
06:47 < klafka> what is the state of cryonics these days anyway?
06:48 < kanzure> ridiculously cheap student insurance plans for neuro
06:48 < JayDugger> I don't know. Alcor had a good conference in 2006, but I don't know what's changed since.
06:48 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/ let's not bet on alcor
06:48 < kanzure> get to work!
06:49 < JayDugger> Point taken. I'll spread my bets. 
06:49 < kanzure> actually it wasn't so much a point as a command
06:49 < kanzure> :P but really, there's a lot of good content in there worth reading and implementing
06:49 < JayDugger> Killjoy.
06:50 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/aging_roadmap.txt
06:51 < klafka> richard branson named his first ship VSS Enterprise
06:51 < klafka> hah
06:52 < klafka> i think that the apoptotic pathway is an important part of aging too
06:52 < klafka> in some work i've done with age related hearing loss upregulation of the apoptotic pathway is highly indicated as a possible cause
06:53 < JayDugger> `sudo skdb make-me nuclear-pulse-rocket` still returns an error about "not enough enriched uranium".
06:53 < JayDugger> I think I'll work on that.
06:53 < kanzure> JayDugger: more seriously maybe you'd like to team up with jkridner|work to package the beagleboard?
06:54 < kanzure> http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design
06:57 < kanzure> oops didn't see your pm
06:57 < kanzure> looks like ohanda.org has a poorly configured, partly hidden mediawiki installation
06:57 < kanzure> http://www.ohanda.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page
06:57 < kanzure> "This page has been accessed 9 times."
06:59 < klafka> lol
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09:11 < JayDugger> kanzure, you asked about debian package diagrams?
09:12 < JayDugger> http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/a-better-map-of-the-apt-state-files/
09:12 < JayDugger> http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/
09:13 < JayDugger> Debian User Forums has a thread mentioning these, but it has very low S/N.
09:14 < JayDugger> If you still want to find someone to do new diagrams, you could try Ketrina Yim, of CS Illustrated at UC Berkeley.
09:14 < JayDugger> http://csillustrated.berkeley.edu/
09:14 < JayDugger> Or Scott McCloud, but he's probably expensive.
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09:26 < kanzure> does anyone have access to http://www.springerlink.com/content/qn75k466j76231g3/fulltext.pdf
09:28 < kanzure> javascript visualization library http://www.danvk.org/dygraphs/
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10:32 < kanzure> got it http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/Strategies%20for%20cytokine%20modification%20and%20stem%20cell%20mobilization%20for%20acute%20myocardial%20infarction.pdf
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12:01 < ybit> isn't there a site selling 3d printed creations?
12:02 < ybit> or er.. 
12:02 < kanzure> shapeways?
12:03 < ybit> aha
12:03 < ybit> gracias kanzure
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13:56 < kanzure> lawl, a hawaiian lawyer just called me and at the end he said "aloha"
13:56 < kanzure> which confused the fuck out of me
13:56 < kanzure> "do i hang up now?"
13:56 < kanzure> "yes."
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13:58 < kanzure> apparently "non-assert pledges" are also known as "use licenses" (i think he's wrong)
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15:17 < fenn> oh, rejon is from qi hardware
15:26 < fenn> csillustrated is pretty cool
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15:35 < fenn> "I just got a 25sq.in. sample of flexible EL lighting cloth"  i didnt even know such a thing existed
15:40 < fenn> dygraph is for what now? making your own okcupid blog?
15:42 < fenn> i wish programming languages used csillustrated as compiler/backtrace error messages
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15:44 < fenn> it would be a lot better than the "float not iterable" error i just got (trying to append a float to a list)
15:46 < fenn> hm
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17:41 < kanzure> oh boy, yet another business meeting!
17:41 < kanzure> actually the pitch didn't suck too much
17:42 < kanzure> apparently they want me to become an 80/20 distributor
17:42 < kanzure> "float not iterable" just means something like __iter__ not exsisting, or wheterver
17:42 < kanzure> *existing
17:42 < kanzure> *whatever
17:43 < kanzure> hould i go to the hackerspace tonight?
17:44 < kanzure> *should
17:45 < JayDugger> Yes.
17:52 < kanzure> why
17:53 < JayDugger> You sound as if you're soliciting an excuse not to attend. If you, with local knowledge, can't come up with one, then no one else will likely do so. In the absence of reasons to the contrary, go.
17:56 < JayDugger> I admit that last only sounds like an argument. The same statement would equally well support "No."
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18:17 < kanzure> http://venturebeat.com/2010/03/23/y-combinator/
18:17 < kanzure> heh etacts is on there
18:17 < kanzure> but also something called "500friends" hmm
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18:21 < fenn> actually working with reprap/mcwire hardware, i almost get the feeling they're proud of doing things the wrong way
18:21 < kanzure> mcwho?
18:21 < kanzure> also, tim silverman was telling me that mcmaster.com is a *good* site. it doesn't even load for me
18:24 < kanzure> is this mcwire? http://reprap.org/wiki/McWire_Cartesian_Bot_1_2
18:25 < fenn> ya, it sucks
18:25 < fenn> the mcwire i mean
18:25 < fenn> mcmaster is awesome when it works
18:25 < kanzure> sebastien from reprap was telling me that they just ported over to mediawiki, and therefore everything is going to stay "big blocks of text" for a while now
18:26 < kanzure> dunno if you read the logs that i linked you to
18:26 < kanzure> mediawiki integration is a big pain in the ass
18:27 < kanzure> why did mediawiki have to implement its own revision control system?
18:28 < kanzure> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Attribution_Helper_Browser_Extension
18:59 < kanzure> http://oswash.org/
18:59 < kanzure> guess les is getting what he finally wanted?
18:59 < bkero> haha
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21:21 < kanzure> fenn: are you still on your beach /away?
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22:04 < fenn> kanzure: i'm at the dojo
22:04 < kanzure> so, becoming an 8020 distributor? good/bad/evil?
22:05 < kanzure> i forsee lots of 8020 .yaml in my future :/
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22:11 < fenn> becoming a distributor? huh?
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22:30 < katsmeow-afk> yaml is like sgml/xml but with no < > right?
22:32 < katsmeow-afk> i prefer the <> to get easy parsing and defined start-here/end-here tags , just means you can't use unadorned <> in conversation like this
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