--- Day changed Wed Mar 24 2010 00:02 -!- katsmeow-afk [~someone@99-195-187-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:08 -!- any92687794 [~someone@99-195-192-233.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:16 -!- any92687794 [~someone@99-195-192-233.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:21 -!- any88233571 [~someone@75-120-219-240.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:54 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:56 < kanzure> nick and steve idn't tel me that cloudfab was launching today 00:57 < kanzure> *teel 00:57 < kanzure> "You can pull a file from Thingiverse to try it out." 00:58 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:03 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-42-234.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:11 < kanzure> "My name is Maggie Koerth-Baker. I'm a science journalist and 01:11 < kanzure> contributing editor to BoingBoing.net. I'd like to write a story about 01:11 < kanzure> DIY synthetic biologists, and their relationships (or lack thereof) 01:11 < kanzure> with professional scientists." 01:51 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-42-234.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:33 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:34 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:26 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.121] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:42 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:c99:1766:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:43 < JayDugger> Hello, everyone. 05:52 -!- strages [~strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:32 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2002:d106:d41b:1234:21e:52ff:fe81:88fa] has quit [Quit: shepazu] 06:41 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-152-209.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:59 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.121] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:02 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.121] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:05 < kanzure> "Has anyone made a DIY version of the Festo iFab? It's a 3DOF parallel robot (instead of the serial cartesian thing) that doesn't look hard to build, but Festo's is the only one I've seen. 07:05 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txF78s-QczU " 07:38 -!- shepazu [~schepers@31-34-247.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-152-209.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:11 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-152-209.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:19 < genehacker> yup someone has 08:19 < genehacker> I don't know if they ever put an extruder on it though 08:25 -!- anthonyl [~anthonyl@208-78-67-234-rangeroamerinc.clt.ord.sparkplugbb.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:39 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:49 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-152-209.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:54 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.121] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:57 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.121] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:58 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 08:58 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:c99:1766:52c6:ef50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:34 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-39-128.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:55 < ybit> a $30k laser cutter on instructables: http://www.instructables.com/id/CO2-laser-that-cuts-sheet-metal/ 09:57 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-39-128.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:00 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-63-86.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:21 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-63-86.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:21 -!- faceface [~dmb@bioinformatics.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:21 < faceface> hey ya 11:21 < faceface> http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v7/n3s/abs/nmeth.f.301.html 11:21 < faceface> Visualizing biological data--now and in the future 11:22 < faceface> check fig 1 12:22 < kanzure> http://www.festo.com/cms/en-us_us/10312_10347.htm festo ifab 12:22 < kanzure> meh 13:02 < kanzure> yay for cabextract 13:18 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-39-128.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:45 < fenn> awww i missed the QS show&tell 13:45 < fenn> *bonk* 13:48 < fenn> kanzure: please powercycle tubputer whenever is convenient 13:50 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-39-128.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:02 -!- bkero [~freenode@li90-163.members.linode.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- bkero [~freenode@li90-163.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:02 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:04 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:19 < kanzure> ooh ooh google fails! says that mac wrote something that eric wrote 14:20 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-44-83.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:28 < kanzure> fenn: tubputer is go 14:29 < marainein> can i ask what the tubputer is? 14:43 < kanzure> it's a tub with a computer in it 14:45 < marainein> it's not made out of biological components or anything? 14:54 < kanzure> well it has some dead bugs on the bottom 15:01 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.121] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:28 < bkero> I think you guys emailed this guy asking to open his code. http://kotaku.com/5501295/love-is-the-game-that-earns-you-respect-breaks-the-world-of-warcraft-rules 15:36 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-44-83.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41 < strages> omg 15:42 -!- shepazu [~schepers@31-34-247.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: shepazu] 15:43 < bkero> http://www.quelsolaar.com/love/gameplay_video.html 15:43 < bkero> That looks fantastic 15:46 < fenn> yeah i doubt the guy will ever do anything bmore with it though 15:53 < kanzure> http://thereifixedit.com/ 15:53 < bkero> If he made it right he shouldn't have to. 15:53 < bkero> Procedurally generated content. 15:53 * kanzure is in wuv with procedurally generated content 15:53 < bkero> kanzure: Where'd you find some? 15:53 < kanzure> i was writing my own content generator back in "the day" 15:54 < kanzure> for an mmorpg i was working on 15:55 < kanzure> can anyone on windows install this and send me a .zip of the contents? http://download.8020.net/AutoQuoterX1081112.zip 15:55 < bkero> wine doesn't decompress it? 15:55 < kanzure> 17:03 < bdesk> kanzure will save us from the relentless shortening of our telomeres with his singularity-accelerating self replicating universal 15:55 < kanzure> 17:03 < bdesk> kanzure will save us from the relentless shortening of our telomeres with his singularity-accelerating self replicating universal fabricators 15:55 < kanzure> bkero: i can unzip it and get out a .exe 15:56 < kanzure> wine can run the .exe and it will then extract setup.exe and a .msi 15:56 < kanzure> setup.exe fails because it wants autocad to be installed 15:56 < fenn> lots of interesting stuff here http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/GSOC_OpenCV2010 15:56 < kanzure> running the .msi on its own fails because it has to be running while setup.exe is running 15:56 < kanzure> i can extract some files from the .msi, but only dlls and other bullshit 15:56 < kanzure> apparently on windows you should be able to extract everything from the .msi file 15:57 < kanzure> in particular i'd like to see the *actual* autocad plugin and whatever data it is using 15:57 < kanzure> opencv made gsoc2010. huh 15:58 < kanzure> there's not many college students these days that are going to be using boost 16:00 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:08 < kanzure> Skp2 targeting suppresses tumorigenesis by Arf-p53-independent cellular senescence 16:08 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/Skp2%20targeting%20suppresses%20tumorigenesis%20by%20Arf-p53-independent%20cellular%20senescence.pdf 16:57 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:07 -!- bkero [~freenode@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:31 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31 -!- Utopiah [~libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31 -!- CIA-44 [cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31 -!- clemux [clemux@lysine.clemux.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:32 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: elmom, kardan, danielfalck, randallagordon_, anthonyl, ybit, ferrouswheel, strages, kristianpaul, Overand, (+15 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 17:32 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@c-24-245-50-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:33 -!- Netsplit over, joins: thebwt, zvader, kardan, Overand, randallagordon_, fenn, danielfalck, ybit, chupacabra, Noahj (+6 more) 17:33 -!- clemux [clemux@lysine.clemux.info] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:33 -!- Netsplit over, joins: bkero 17:33 -!- Utopiah [~libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:33 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Phreedom_, strages, mage2, kristianpaul, jrayhawk, drazak, nsh, kanzure 17:34 -!- superkuh is now known as Guest66173 17:34 -!- CIA-55 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:49 < kanzure> so! 17:50 < kanzure> i hate "science journalism" as much as the next person 17:50 < kanzure> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/uotm-dsg031510.php 17:50 < kanzure> oh look, no link to the pdf 17:50 < kanzure> i've written a tiny server to deal with this issue 17:50 < kanzure> just prepend http://designfiles.org:8085/ to the bullshit 17:50 < kanzure> so: 17:50 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org:8085/http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/uotm-dsg031510.php 17:51 < kanzure> there's a bookmarklet in a link on this page for firefox users: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/science_news_resolver.html 17:51 < kanzure> just drag and drop that into a bookmarklet bar and click whenever your bullshit detectors start acting up 17:52 < kanzure> it of course also works without the bookmarklet, like 17:52 < kanzure> http://www.physorg.com/news188678841.html 17:52 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org:8085/http://www.physorg.com/news188678841.html 18:08 -!- Guest66173 [hukrepus@c-24-245-50-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: The action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer of neurons.] 18:09 -!- superkuh_ [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:12 -!- superkuh_ is now known as superkuh 18:38 -!- any88233571 is now known as katsmeow-afk 19:04 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: strages, kristianpaul 19:04 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: elmom, kardan, clemux, danielfalck, randallagordon_, nchaimov, anthonyl, ybit, ferrouswheel, superkuh, (+18 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:05 -!- ToyKeeper [~nToyKeepe@74-95-113-201-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting to server - dircproxy 1.1.0] 19:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Utopiah 19:06 -!- ToyKeeper [~nToyKeepe@74-95-113-201-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nchaimov, superkuh, CIA-55, thebwt, zvader, kardan, Overand, randallagordon_, fenn, danielfalck (+19 more) 19:29 < fenn> !help 19:36 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:c99:1766:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:44 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 19:57 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2002:d106:d41b:1234:21e:52ff:fe81:88fa] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:59 < kanzure> hello JayDugger 19:59 < kanzure> hi fenn 19:59 < kanzure> hope you two can find some use in my "science journalism hatred" server thingy 20:05 < fenn> papers are a waste of time 20:06 < fenn> rawr 20:06 < fenn> the connection to davinci sucked at two locations; this can only mean it's under heavy load 20:06 < kanzure> there's some typing lag going on but it's not much (i also thought it was just heybryan.org's fault) 20:07 < JayDugger> ? 20:07 < JayDugger> Sorry, I missed all of that. 20:07 < kanzure> we have looogs now :) 20:08 < fenn> why is ursula leguin consiered a science fictionw riter? 20:08 < fenn> kanzure: did youse order circuitspecialsits yet? 20:08 < kanzure> no :( 20:08 < kanzure> also, my assistant has cut out on me 20:08 < kanzure> i didn't have her under any particular contract 20:09 < fenn> well, i've been buying stuff at inflated local prices because supposedly i'm spending someone else's money 20:09 < kanzure> uh 20:09 < kanzure> why are you doing stupid things? 20:09 < kanzure> california is not the place to spend money fenn.. 20:10 < fenn> it's <$50 20:10 < kanzure> what is 'it'? 20:10 < kanzure> anyway i'm wondering if i should look for a new assistant or not 20:11 < JayDugger> Fenn: LeGuin wrote science fiction, some quite good. 20:11 < fenn> usb serial dongle, null modem cable, ribbon cable adapter (10 pin), 5mm bolt, springs, tubing, set screws, allen keys.. blah blah blah 20:11 < kanzure> oh, stuff stuff 20:11 < kanzure> righto 20:12 < JayDugger> She has a distinctive style, heavy on characterization, and very short on preaching. 20:12 < fenn> short on preaching my ass 20:12 < JayDugger> E.g., The Left hand of Darkness, The Lathe of Heaven. 20:12 < kanzure> 'lathe of heaven'? rofl 20:12 < kanzure> #hplusroadmap nethack edition 20:12 < fenn> the whole of "wizard of earthsea" was preaching 20:13 < kanzure> ........@......D..... 20:13 < kanzure> ........@.....D...... 20:13 < kanzure> ........@....D....... 20:13 < kanzure> ........@...D........ 20:13 < kanzure> ........@..D......... 20:13 < kanzure> quick someone do something! 20:13 < fenn> is that your penis shrinking? 20:13 < kanzure> ........@.D.......... 20:13 < JayDugger> That's her fantasy work. 20:14 < kanzure> .....D...@...........1 20:14 < kanzure> fuck i screwed up i think 20:14 < fenn> is it a feynman diagram? 20:14 < kanzure> it's #hplusroadmap nethack edition 20:14 < kanzure> can't you tell? :( 20:14 < JayDugger> Man...no. 20:14 < fenn> what does D stand for? 20:14 < JayDugger> I just uninstalled nethack and angband from my phone. 20:14 < kanzure> dragon 20:16 < JayDugger> It'd seem more appropriate to have Santa Claus guarding a hall of RepRaps. 20:16 < fenn> kanzure: i have an idea.. you send me a credit card and i buy stuff with it :P 20:18 < kanzure> actually, i might as well 20:18 < JayDugger> kanzure, Did you get value returned on the money and time you spent using an assistant? 20:19 < QuantumG> and is assistant a euphemism? 20:19 < kanzure> assistant is not a euphemism 20:19 < kanzure> i didn't spend any money on her, it was kinda a trial thing for starters 20:20 < JayDugger> Okay, was the time you spent worth it? 20:22 < kanzure> no not really, i'll have to start with someon else now 20:22 < kanzure> *someone 20:22 < JayDugger> Hmm...well, remember you could hire someone to do quotidian tasks, and not just professional aid. 20:22 < JayDugger> You might save more time by hiring a maid than an assistant. 20:23 < fenn> hire an indian in india 20:24 < JayDugger> Yeah, you might see if Ferris's new edition of 4-hour work-week has any good tips. 20:24 < fenn> then ask him a bunch of math questions and ramble about ramanujan constantly 20:24 < kanzure> http://getfriday.com/ 20:24 < kanzure> http://b2kcorp.com/ 20:24 < kanzure> http://www.catchfriday.com/ 20:24 < kanzure> http://lifenzyme.com/ 20:24 < kanzure> http://asksunday.com/ 20:24 < JayDugger> :) 20:24 < kanzure> http://yourmaninindia.com/ 20:24 < kanzure> http://domystuff.com/ 20:24 < kanzure> http://www.taskseveryday.com/ 20:24 < kanzure> getfriday.com seems to be the most respectable so far, but i don't know 20:24 < JayDugger> Hire an assistant to review them. 20:25 < kanzure> doesn't that depend on the initial quality 20:25 < JayDugger> Yes. That's what makes my joke work. 20:25 < JayDugger> N.B.: Deadpan's hard in IRC. 20:26 < fenn> can you hire a slave child from any of those sites? 20:26 < fenn> you cooh wait, can one "hire" a slave anyway? or do you have to buy them outright for it to be considered slavery? 20:26 < fenn> gah 20:26 < JayDugger> No, you can still have indentured servitude, regardless of race or gender. 20:27 < JayDugger> Just ask your credit card company. 20:30 < JayDugger> More seriously, you could try http://vanetworking.com/ 20:30 < JayDugger> You can submit a RFP on that site. 20:31 < JayDugger> I haven't used them, and their website looks awful. 20:31 < kanzure> i think i might prefer either (1) someone local or (2) someone on one of the mailing lists or communities i am involved in 20:31 < JayDugger> Preference or requirement? 20:32 < kanzure> well, it's a requirement that i be in contact them outside of some shitty proprietary interface like getfriday (or whatever) 20:32 < kanzure> #2 has a lot of weight 20:37 < JayDugger> Fair point. 20:38 < JayDugger> Time to commute. Good night, all. 20:38 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:c99:1766:52c6:ef50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:43 -!- marainein [~marainein@220.253-235-168.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:43 < nsh> google now has real-time twitter feeds in its search results: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=teahadists 20:43 < nsh> a 'pause' link in my googles? perhaps a line has been crossed 20:44 < kanzure> "In metasyntactic Mad-Lib substitution joke, Communist rhetorical cliches build unexpected wooden puns out of YEW!" 20:44 < kanzure> nsh: yeah those have been showing up in my search results for a few months now :( 20:45 < nsh> truly, these are the end times. 20:54 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:57 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:57 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:00 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:00 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:03 < kanzure> stalk: Ron K. Jeffries 21:03 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:03 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:09 < kanzure> "Steve Rubel writes about the virtues of correspondence. His post includes a picture of the machine Thomas Jefferson designed which copied his hand written letters as he wrote. Who knew." 21:09 < kanzure> http://www.steverubel.com/three-ideas-to-rock-your-2010-part-i-correspo 21:11 < kanzure> ""From sun-rise to one or two o'clock," he noted, "I am drudging at the writing table." Jefferson wrote almost 20,000 letters in his lifetime, among them, scholarly musings to colleagues, affectionate notes to his family, and civil responses to admirers." 21:11 < kanzure> "He wrote John Adams that he suffered "under the persecution of letters," calculating that he received 1,267 letters in the year 1820, "many of them requiring answers of elaborate research, and all to be answered with due attention and consideration."" 21:13 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:13 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:23 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:24 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:29 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:29 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:43 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:44 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:56 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:57 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:07 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:07 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:08 < kanzure> wtf 22:08 < kanzure> "As a follow-up for to phpGCode and JavaScriptGcode I now have ported the library to the BASIC language." 22:08 < kanzure> "EMC2 supports Python out of the box but I don't prefer programming in Python. I use the PHP version for the stuff I do. But I thought at least someone might get a use out of a BASIC version." 22:09 < kanzure> php and python are very similar, except php has been "optimized" for mod_php more than anything 22:10 < nsh> wat 22:10 < kanzure> honestly i have zero respect for php programmers 22:11 * kanzure used to be a php programmer 22:11 < kanzure> the only reason you ever learn about php is because it's what your crappy shared hosting provider lets you use 22:11 < kanzure> and some friend lets you on to it 22:11 < kanzure> and down you go down a terrible, dark, ridiculous hole of no return 22:11 < kanzure> thinking you know how to do development 22:12 < nsh> only time i wrote php was when i was going to hack something up with mediawiki 22:12 < nsh> and i gave up on that 22:16 < kanzure> the first comment on this page illustrates where the common php programmer is coming from: 22:16 < kanzure> http://www.dasgenie.com/scrap/archives/000009.html 22:16 < kanzure> "Perl? CGI? Older, slower, perl needs to be compiled even." 22:16 < kanzure> guh 22:16 < fenn> not sure why you say php and python are similar 22:16 < fenn> they're both interpreted and begin with the letter P? 22:16 < fenn> waaaa i can read messages but not send them 22:17 < kanzure> in comparison to other interpreted languages like lisp, i think python and php are similar 22:17 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:17 < fenn> why is the internet broken 22:17 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:18 < QuantumG> cause you touch yourself at night 22:19 < kanzure> at night? 22:19 < fenn> i touch myself al th etime 22:19 < nsh> once i wasn't touching myself at all for an instant 22:19 < nsh> good acid 22:21 < kanzure> maybe this is better 22:21 < kanzure> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/06/why-php-sucks.html 22:21 < kanzure> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/06/why-php-sucks.html 22:21 < kanzure> er, which links to http://blog.ianbicking.org/php-ghetto.html 22:23 < kanzure> haha i remember the register globals change in 4.2 22:27 < kanzure> hahah "Moreover, I trust that the many PHP engine developers - many of which hold degrees in comp sci and know of The Big O and data structures," 22:27 < kanzure> this is pathetic. 22:27 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:28 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:32 < QuantumG> I've been writing code to handle php in our engine lately.. which means reading the Zend interpreter to see wtf the real semantics of the language are. 22:32 < QuantumG> it's all so blatantly obvious that classes were a tacked on afterthought 22:36 < kanzure> php programmers would kill you at the stake for saying that 22:36 < kanzure> i suppose everyone has their favorite languages 22:36 < kanzure> but for some reason i see this more prominently pronounced in php 22:37 < kanzure> "I think the Broken Windows theory applies here. PHP is such a load of crap, right down to the standard library, that it creates a culture where it's acceptable to write horrible code. " 22:37 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:37 < kanzure> "It's like a shoot-first-ask-questions-later policing policy -- sure some apps get messed up, but maybe you catch a few attacks in the process. It's what happened when the language designers gave up. " 22:37 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:38 < QuantumG> yes, some say it is impossible to write secure code in php and that's mostly accurate 22:38 -!- marainein [~marainein@220.253-235-168.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:44 < kanzure> http://www.htmlist.com/development/you-suck-at-programming-and-i-hate-you-things-never-to-do-in-php-sql/ 22:44 < kanzure> especially the section "Using Switch Cases to Implement Your Entire Website in One File 22:45 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ToyKeeper, Overand 22:47 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:51 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:52 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ToyKeeper, Overand 22:54 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:54 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:04 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:05 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:16 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:16 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:17 < QuantumG> it's interesting that the push for high school graduates to go to college rather than go into manufacturing jobs - because of the lack of manufacturing jobs - may actually be the reason there's a lack of manufacturing jobs. 23:20 -!- JayDugger [~AndChat@157.sub-97-194-209.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:40 < jrayhawk> I don't think a lack of available workforce is a limiting factor at this point. 23:40 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:46 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap