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02:36 < Utopiah> http://lumberjaph.net/blog/index.php/2010/03/25/github-explorer/
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03:16 < fenn> woah. http://www.pilotfriend.com/aeromed/medical/fovea.htm
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03:17 < fenn> the animated test is cool
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07:17 < Utopiah> kanzure: can I give a borderline philosophical opinion?
07:17 < Utopiah> on SKDB
07:17 < Utopiah> (Im asking because some people here tend to vomit when philosophical terms are used ;)
07:19 < Utopiah> I think that by providing processes to build objects, SKDB (or any tool that aims to build objects thanks to computers) is realising computational praxis, the ability to act but mediated by computer tools
07:19 < Utopiah> (there, done.)
07:20 < JayDugger> Hmm?
07:20 < Utopiah> pathological apraxia ( https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Apraxia ) and the inability to generate a process in order to reach a goal made me think of that
07:21 < katsmeow-afk> •Praxis is the process by which a theory, lesson, or skill is enacted or practiced
07:21 < Utopiah> thanks katsmeow-afk 
07:21 < katsmeow-afk> <curtsey>
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08:25 < kanzure> so.. what is it? http://www.zoybar.net/main
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08:34 < kanzure> http://www.instructables.com/id/When-a-Phillips-is-not-a-Phillips-Plus-So-Much-Mor/
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09:05 < kanzure> http://www.thingiverse.com/tags new feature implemented, will probably help with scraping
09:19 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2009-07-01_to_2010-03-25.png
09:48 < kanzure> heh http://www.phpwtf.org/
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10:56 < kanzure> some of 8020's equipment: http://www.8020customfab.com/Equipment.asp
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11:49 < kanzure> the 80/20 webmaster (microsoft developer, sadly) is into D&D
11:49 < kanzure> he even hosts a D&D fansite on the 8020 servers
13:24 < kanzure> "In Kanzure's logic, there is no (moral) difference between a staged anthrax attack and a natural anthrax outbreak. Also following the anything goes argument ..."
13:24 < kanzure> huh someone quoted me correctly? wtf
13:24 < kanzure> wait, moral?
13:24 < kanzure> i might have spoken too soon
13:25 < kanzure> http://www.synbiosafe.eu/uploads/pdf/Synbiosafe_e-conference_all_contributions.pdf
13:25 < kanzure> bottom of page 34 and top of page 35
13:26 < kanzure> "CENSORED is a way of modifying genomes"
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13:36 < kanzure> "the metric system (a simplistic farce conceived by eccentrics at the behest of madmen, and imposed by dictators for the convenience of idiots). "
13:42 < katsmeow-afk> so imperial units and Latin it is!
13:49 < kanzure> you know, i've never heard of the metric system as part of a conspiracy
13:49 < kanzure> this is a first
14:03 < kanzure> it seems like the only reason to *not* draw microfluidic circuits by hand is in the case of optimization/testing/simulation
14:03 < kanzure> where you want to be able to control the parameters for each chamber, curves, corners, lengths, etc.
14:04 < kanzure> another reason is if you're mapping human-language biology lab protocols to mf components
14:04 < kanzure> i suppose you could argue that you should use a parts library to construct a design because you can later do optimization/simulation
14:04 < kanzure> whereas with hand-drawing you'd have to redo the entire design
14:04 < kanzure> has anyone seen a VLSI-scale mf chip before?
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14:32 < kanzure> http://diylilcnc.org/
14:33 < kanzure> cool it's explicitly licensed as CC :)
14:54 < kanzure> it's weird how no project that uses CC ever puts a LICENSE file into their project 
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15:05 < fenn> kanzure: same reason you dont write emails by hand.. it's faster, easier to edit, you can dopy and paste, and have revision control
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15:23 < kanzure> fenn: what are you replying to
15:24 < kanzure> oh
15:24 < kanzure> using graphical tools to edit MF designs is pretty fast
15:25 < fenn> graphical tools == "by hand"?
15:25 < kanzure> also apparently 8020 is a family-owned company (doug wood, don wood, john wood, david wood, kristina wood, ..
15:25 < kanzure> yes
15:25 < kanzure> *click* move mouse *end click*
15:25 < fenn> what an odd definition
15:25 < kanzure> it involves a mouse
15:25 < kanzure> it's by hand.
15:26 < fenn> keyboards require the use of hands too
15:26 < kanzure> you can script things that use a keyboard
15:26 < kanzure> bbl, dinner with robot group people (they chose next door tonight)
15:27 < fenn> unless you have some kind of BCI you aren't sharing
15:27 < fenn> why is the internet stil broken?
15:32 < QuantumG> ..
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16:51 < JayDugger> Zoybar--DIY  guitar kits sold through an overly-flashy website?
17:21 < kanzure> hm the diylilcnc guys compare their work to a mill for metal cutting
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17:28 < kanzure> http://scienceblogs.com/commonknowledge/2010/03/open_hardware.php
18:22 < kanzure> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ac1zmsAw8z8pZGZjcDdrOG1fMjBxdjQ1dGpuOA&hl=en
18:23 < JayDugger> And how much will Santa Claus bill me for the parts?
18:28 < fenn> all svg+javascript video game: http://bighead.poli.usp.br/~juca/code/svg/minigame/minigame.svg
18:29 < fenn> felipe from libreDWG just showed me that
18:33 < fenn> i suggested making a real version with arduino and led's behind a mask (instead of LCD)
18:34 < fenn> turns out dean chen (practically lives at dojo) has built a stewart platform for CNC machining
18:34 < kanzure> a mask?
18:35 < JayDugger> Oh?
18:35 < fenn> like an okudagram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/okudagram
18:36 < kanzure> how did dean like his stewart platform
18:37 < JayDugger> fenn, have you a link for that CNC stewart platform?
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19:01 < fenn> "I built this pair of glasses with a speaker for a lense, to train myself to echolocate.
19:01 < fenn> By listening to the reflections of sound off nearby objects, I can perceive things using my sense of hearing. The glasses are my training program.
19:01 < fenn> JayDugger: no
19:01 < fenn> JayDugger: i think it's in atlanta, GA
19:07 < fenn> er, dean mao, not dean chen
19:07 < kanzure> hur dur i need to work on the presentation for april 10th
19:07 < kanzure> i am afraid that the audience will know more about apt-get internals than i do
19:07 < kanzure> s/afraid/certain/
19:08 < fenn> haha
19:09 < fenn> if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit
19:15 < kanzure> fenn: s/fransisco/francisco/ on fennetic.net/index.html
19:20 < fenn> "The skates are so dangerous we are too worried about putting them on to test them" 
19:21 < fenn> kanzure: thanks, i dont know how i learned that wrong
19:22 < fenn> 
19:23 < fenn> pfff they only go 20 MPH
19:23 < fenn> british wussies
19:33 < fenn> homebrew OLED: http://intertu.be/blog/?page_id=62
19:33 < fenn> felipe is trying to make his own LCD screen
19:35 < kanzure> who is jerry ellsworth?
19:35 < kanzure> jeri ellsworth
19:35 < kanzure> http://lifehacker.com/5480199/macgyver-of-the-day-electronics-hacker-jeri-ellsworth
19:35 < fenn> why do you ask?
19:35 < kanzure> "It's a little known fact, but MAKE even has the creator of MacGyver writing at MAKE: Lee D. Zlotoff! L"
19:35 < fenn> are you spying on me?
19:35 < kanzure> david treadwell was mentioning jeri
19:36  * fenn was just telling felipe to look up jeri ellsworth b/c she's also a pinball fanatic
19:36 < fenn> she did the DIY transistor doping from a silicon wafer
19:36 < kanzure> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeriellsworth/sets/72157607161498665/
19:36 < kanzure> i see
19:36 < fenn> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeriellsworth/2835524263/
19:37 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jeriellsworth#g/u
19:37 < kanzure> have you jumped her yet
19:37 < fenn> yeah, that
19:37 < fenn> no, i wouldnt want to expose my ignorance
19:37 < fenn> apparently she talked at hacker dojo in january?
19:39 < genehacker> pinball fanatic?
19:39 < genehacker> are you one fenn?
19:39 < kanzure> oh this is "fatman and the circuit girl"
19:39 < kanzure> i should have known
19:39 < genehacker> and are pinballs hard to obtain?
19:39 < genehacker> what?
19:40 < kanzure> wtf the only person i know who knows jeri is keith henson?
19:40 < genehacker> you didn't know who Jeri Ellsworth was? Jeri Ellsworth, build her own microchips Jeri?
19:41 < kanzure> newtek/xilient sounds a lot like microunity
19:41 < kanzure> i knew who "circuit girl" was
19:41 < kanzure> but not her name
19:41 < kanzure> i don't think she does microchips
19:41 < fenn> genehacker: no, felipe is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/felipesanches/
19:41 < JayDugger> Keith Henson knows everyone.
19:42 < kanzure> keith henson knows my mom
19:42 < fenn> she designed a C64 replacement chip or something.. i think it counts
19:42 < kanzure> does she do photolithography
19:42 < kanzure> honestly VLSI is not hard
19:42 < kanzure> *VLSI design
19:42 < fenn> gah rtfwpa
19:43 < kanzure> ?
19:43 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeri_Ellsworth
19:43 < genehacker> I don't think so
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19:45 < JayDugger> rtfwpa=?
19:45 < kanzure> read the fucking wikipedia article
19:45 < JayDugger> Duh.
19:45 < JayDugger> Thank you.
19:45 < kanzure> and i did, and it didn't say whether or not she does photolithography stuff for VLSI
19:45 < quantumkat> Hello :D
19:46 < kanzure> hi quantumkat 
19:46 < quantumkat> Can you recommend any good books for designing and building hardware?
19:47 < JayDugger> What sort of hardware?
19:48 < katsmeow-afk> yea, i emailed Jeri once to get info on the C1, she thought i was making  pass at her, be careful
19:48 < quantumkat> JayDugger, Circuitry.
19:48 < kanzure> pneumatic, hydraulic, electric, or other?
19:49 < quantumkat> Electric.
19:53 < genehacker> principles and applications of electrical engineering
19:55 < quantumkat> Thank you, genehacker.
19:55 < kanzure> "Just checked and it looks like Gateway sells a $49 netbook"
19:58 < kanzure> Gateway LT2016u
20:03 < genehacker> does it have enough power for robot vision?
20:06 < fenn> christ how am i supposed to read this? http://fennetic.net/irc/Captcha.jpeg
20:07 < JayDugger> if you can't tell, you must be a chatbot.
20:08 < kanzure> http://decaptcher.com/ solves all of my captchas for me now
20:08 < kanzure> forrest mims is also cited as a good intro-to-electronics author
20:09 < fenn> JayDugger: what are your feeling about i must be a chatbot?
20:09 < JayDugger> Your chatbot nature has been trumped by my cat. He chases the characters as I type them.
20:10 < JayDugger> He suggests I cut-and-paste into emacs's psychotherapist.
20:11 < fenn> your cat is pretty smart
20:12 < JayDugger> Not really. He hasn't realized warm clothes in the dryer are better than a cold tabletop.
20:12 < JayDugger> Unlike my other cat, who watches the laundry basket.
20:15 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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20:48 < kanzure> "it's zen not to be zen"
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23:24 < genehacker> kanzure you there?
23:24 < genehacker> Bre has declared war on RepRap
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23:38 < fenn> just watched an interesting conversation about using g1 android phone guts in a satellite
23:39 < fenn> "cellbots"
23:39 < fenn> and missed my train.. bastards shut the door in my face
23:43 < genehacker> is it one of those trains with electrified rails?
23:52 < genehacker> if yes, I wonder what happens when you short them?
23:52 < genehacker> answer: the train can't get away!