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00:02 < Utopiah> live http://webcast.cern.ch/lhcfirstphysics/
00:05 < genehacker> oh neat
00:05 < genehacker> I was about to post that
00:05 < QuantumG> CERN Beams lost again...operators will need to study the situation now. less than a minute ago via web 
00:06 < Utopiah> genehacker: I know, Im in your brain
00:07 < genehacker> is that bad?
00:07 < QuantumG> http://twitter.com/CERN
00:28 < fenn> http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/item/04T029/47/Ball-Bearing-Mousetraps
00:30 < katsmeow-afk> Ball-Bearing-Mousetraps?
00:30 < fenn> says you can modify it to be non-ball-bearing
00:32 < katsmeow-afk> mine is non-ball-bearing :-)
01:19 < genehacker> this would be cool, if they actually did anything:
01:19 < genehacker> http://www.3d-mintegration.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
01:21 < fenn> yes that is a useless page
02:23 < Utopiah> http://lhc-webcast.web.cern.ch/lhc-webcast/cerninfos.swf
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04:14 < kanzure> http://www.ossmedicine.org/?m=201003
04:19 < kanzure> it's not very interesting. run by a guy named "dan fish" who also works at Langeley Medical Practifce
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11:25 < kanzure_> "open source health research plan" http://www.betterhumans.com/blogs/alexandra_carmichael/archive/2008/09/15/Open-Source-Health-Research-Plan-.aspx
11:40 < kanzure_> i wasn't expecting nrn to be this detailed: http://www.anc.ed.ac.uk/school/neuron/tutorial/tutB.html
12:26 < kanzure_> does anyone know if dyndnsdd runs on bootup?
12:31 < kanzure_> stalk: Eri Gentry <sap.ved.eri@gmail.com>
12:31 < kanzure_> apparently eri works at livly.org ?
12:51 < kanzure_> hm the requirements to become an 80/20 distributor aren't that intense
12:51 < kanzure_> "can you breath?"
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16:11 < kanzure> szostak won a nobel prize?
16:12 < kanzure> plos usage stats: http://www.plos.org/downloads/plos-alm.zip
16:13 < kanzure> "mapping the structural core of human cerebral cortex" looks interesting
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16:32 < kanzure> hi fenn
16:36  * fenn moans pitifully
16:36 < fenn> this sleeping 14 hours a day stuff is messing with my melatonin experiment
16:46 < kanzure> i like how atilla got it kinda backwards :P http://pimm.wordpress.com/2007/01/24/what-is-biodiy/
16:49 < kanzure> attila, i mean.
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16:55 < kanzure> jacob's emails worry me
16:56 < QuantumG> hmm
16:56 < QuantumG> seems lovelock has come out with some more crazy that is nullifying his "it's time to rethink nuclear" goodness
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18:08 < kanzure> open source lion tracking collars http://gizmodo.com/5504859/why-not-open-source-lion+tracking-collars-in-the-works?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+(Gizmodo)
18:10 < fenn> was this re: mountain lions the other day?
18:11 < kanzure> no it's just something popping up on my radar
18:18 < fenn> this would be fun to play with at a sunday school: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8593748.stm
18:18 < kanzure> isn't it just TMS
18:18 < kanzure> i'm confused, why is everyone so excited about this news article?
18:19 < kanzure> and why are you reading twister more frequently
18:19 < fenn> because i was reading responses to the teac2 thread
18:20 < fenn> i slept through it though
18:21 < fenn> it's like the "gene for being gay", it's an oversimplification that people find alluring
18:21 < fenn> confirmation that we really are just simple machines
18:22 < fenn> probably a backlash fromsemi-autistic people who can never understand human motives
18:33 < kanzure> but can't drugs basically do the same thing?
18:33 < kanzure> in some cases
18:44 < fenn> not that i know of
19:04 < kanzure> tanin says "We found a cable with a phone wire head on one end and an Ethernet wire head on the other end connecting another computer to the switch, so nothing is unexpected."
19:04 < kanzure> o_O
19:07 < QuantumG> today, The Space Show Classroom regarding New Space, what it is, its capabilities, and potential.  Guest panelist is Paul Breed of Unreasonable Rockets.
19:08 < QuantumG> in about an hour http://thespaceshow.com/live.htm
19:20 < kanzure> sigh at sebastien :/
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19:26 < kanzure> hey jacob :)
19:26 < JayDugger> See also JPL's Basics of Space Flight. http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/
19:27 < QuantumG> o..k
19:29 < kingjacob> hey 
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19:30 < QuantumG> I'm more looking forward to Monday's show.. Eric Lerner is on.
19:30 < JayDugger> Oh? good.
19:31 < JayDugger> I wonder if he'll discuss some of the DPF propulsion papers that Next Big Future wrote up last week.
19:31 < QuantumG> be nice to get a status update on Focus Fusion that isn't filtered through that terrible blog.
19:31 < QuantumG> (focusfusion.org)
19:32 < JayDugger> Yeah. NBF isn't much better, but it has frequent updates.
19:32 < QuantumG> I'll be asking him about the potential of ground launch of a focus fusion powered launch vehicle.. if he doesn't bring it up himself.
19:33 < JayDugger> That'd be great, but I expect you'll get the standard "politics won't permit" answer that grounds every nuclear rocket.
19:34 < QuantumG> its aneutronic fusion.. it'd be cleaner than a chemical rocket.
19:38 < JayDugger> I understand.
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19:38 < JayDugger> I'd go to the launch and watch. You're preaching to the choir, as the saying goes.
19:39 < QuantumG> but yeah, it'll be terribly amusing if he gets to q=1 this year
19:40 < QuantumG> no-one will believe him of course.
19:40 < QuantumG> so add 2 years for someone to reproduce it, while they continue their work.
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19:47 < kanzure> why does sebastien think it's all about politics? "he who thinks it is about politics makes it politics"
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20:24 < kanzure> "I think you're on to something. The phenomenon of the BOFH is simply the result of being surrounded by hard drives and other magnetic materials. The actions do not cause any physical harm, though most would consider it immoral.
20:24 < kanzure> ...or maybe users are just idiots."
20:26 < fenn> so if i strap a hard drive just above my ear i can do whatever i want without feeling bad about it?
20:31 < JayDugger> No, if you strap a hard drive above your ear, you can do whatever you want and feel bad only because your neck hurts.
20:32 < JayDugger> Sort of like self-mortification, but with a slightly different and quantifiable effect.
20:35 < kanzure> um what the fuck
20:35 < kanzure> how did a photo of my laser cutter make its way to the internet
20:35 < kanzure> http://twitpic.com/1c3an8
20:41 < kanzure> i don't like how austin hackerspace takes credit for les' work
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20:44 < kanzure> hey Dustbin 
20:44 < Dustbin> hey
20:44 < kanzure> i was surprised to find a photo of my laser cutter up on the internet a few minutes ago
20:44 < kanzure> but whatever i guess =)
20:44 < kanzure> http://twitpic.com/1c3an8
20:45 < kanzure> i don't have the space's ip address memorized yet, are you there at the moment?
20:45 < kanzure> 71.145.131.137?
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20:48 < kanzure> hi thesnark 
20:48 < thesnark> hey kanzure
20:49 < thesnark> any experience with sed by any chance?
20:49 < kanzure> only a little :)
20:50 < jrayhawk> i might be able to help
20:50 < kanzure> don't listen to his lies! he'll write you an awk poem instead
20:50 < kanzure> :P
20:50 < jrayhawk> i will write a turing machine in PCRE for the purpose of parsing regexes
20:51 < kanzure> how would anyone in their right mind think that a good idea
20:52 < jrayhawk> an artist does not understand the value of his works, he only makes them
20:52 < thesnark> I just need to know why sed is saying it has no input when I do: grep -l "blah blah" * | sed -i 's/word/replacement/g'
20:52 < jrayhawk> possibly because he is an asshole
20:52 < jrayhawk> you can't edit a stream in place
20:52 < kanzure> Stream EDit?
20:53 < jrayhawk> you probably want a for loop and the 'sponge' command from moreutils
20:53  * thesnark sighs
20:53 < jrayhawk> unless you're just completely confused about what -i means
20:53 < thesnark> well
20:53 < thesnark> I'm piping it a list of files to do the find/replace on
20:54 < kanzure> xargs
20:54 < thesnark> grep -l gives you a list
20:54 < kanzure> amirite?
20:54 < thesnark> no
20:54 < jrayhawk> Ah, okay. sed -i 's/word/replacement/g' $(grep -l "blah blah" *) might work
20:54 < thesnark> because I don't want to do this with every file
20:55 < thesnark> it has nothing to do with the file name
20:55 < jrayhawk> you might also want to look at the tool "mrtg"
20:55 < thesnark> :D Awesome
20:55 < QuantumG> for f in * ; do whatever with $f; done
20:56 < jrayhawk> if your filenames have odd characters, you probably want to use xargs because escaping characters in bash is a giant broken pain in the ass
20:56 < QuantumG> for f in * ; do ./whatever_with $f; done   slightly clearer.. "do" is a keyword
20:56 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i have trouble with filenames with spaces in them even when i try to escape and quote the filenames. blah
20:57 < QuantumG> scripting in general sucks.. you can see why perl became so popular
20:57 < thesnark> ffffuuuu
20:57 < thesnark> I hate sed it would probably be faster to just do the stuff manually than learn it geez
20:57  * thesnark proceeds to do that
20:58 < jrayhawk> you might be happier learning either zsh or a real scripting language instead of bash/awk/sed
20:59 < thesnark> I only need this this one time
20:59 < kanzure> that's what you think now
20:59 < thesnark> and then I can go back to my world of not having any idea
20:59 < kanzure> and in a month you'll be using sed again and wondering why the fuck you didn't learn it
20:59 < kanzure> :/
20:59 < jrayhawk> kanzure: most times when dealing with wacky filenames, you want to feed null-delimited filenames into xargs. grep has -Z, and file has -print0.
21:00 < jrayhawk> and xargs has -0
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