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04:30 < Utopiah> http://hackaday.com/2010/03/30/cnc-egg-decorating/
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04:46 < Utopiah> http://fora.tv/2010/03/27/The_Future_of_Manufacturing_in_the_US_and_Europe
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05:53 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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08:17 < fenn> blue light phase shift correction software: http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/
08:27 < fenn> well, the "linux version" is a joke
08:36 < kanzure> configuring sshd for multiple ports is oddly difficult
08:36 < kanzure> supposedly you just add multiple "Port" directives to the /etc/sshd/ssh_config file and then restart/reload sshd
08:39 < kanzure> haha i like how they cite AP as "singularityhub.com" http://www.miperiodicodigital.com/edicion2010/articulo.php?id=3513
08:40 < fenn> la verdad, you better believe it
08:41 < kanzure> "La Verdad Digital, S. L."
08:42 < fenn> sort of like "pravda"
08:48 < kanzure> bwahaha!
08:48 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/Redefining%20the%20x%20axis%20-%20professionals,%20amateurs%20and%20the%20making%20of%20mid-victorian%20biology.pdf
08:48 < kanzure> "The X Club"
08:48 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Club
08:53 < kanzure> what is a "gentleman amateur"
08:58 < kanzure> page 12 is interesting but not exceedingly so
09:00 < fenn> i believe it means you have a mustache, smoke a pipe, and speak with an accent
09:01 < fenn> har har "you long-winded vanitous pedant!"
09:02 < fenn> wow ok actual historical research.. can't read any more of that
09:03 < kanzure> heh
09:03 < kanzure> yeah i stopped a while ago :x
09:23 < kanzure> this is neat: http://petewarden.typepad.com/searchbrowser/2010/02/how-to-split-up-the-us.html
09:23 < kanzure> he crawled facebook and took a look at the connection graph plotted over geography
09:25 < kanzure> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/31/1430256/Facebook-Kills-Dataset-of-Crawled-Public-Profiles?art_pos=2
09:36 < kanzure> huh etacts.com is using google-oauth-imap which is, apparently, unable to be used by anyone else?
09:36 < kanzure> http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/06/gmail-imap-etacts/
09:37 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/apps-apis/thread?tid=367f38ab66e6ea44&hl=en
09:42 < kanzure> mmm data http://petewarden.typepad.com/searchbrowser/2010/02/social-network-data-and-research.html
09:44 < kanzure> this is neat: http://www.gstatic.com/s2/sitemaps/profiles-sitemap.xml
09:44 < kanzure> actually it's ridiculously neat
09:45 < kanzure> i will reign doom upon your doomed planet of doom
09:52 < fenn> what is neat?
09:53 < fenn> all i see is an xml file with trivial information content
09:54  * fenn downloads the enron email data set
09:54 < Utopiah> kanzure: at one time you analyzed the referrer log of you website, did you use that to make suggestion for each visitor based on their referrer?
09:56 < kanzure> fenn: it's google's index of all users of google
09:56 < kanzure> Utopiah: no?
09:57 < Utopiah> is that a question?
09:58 < kanzure> you might be confusing stuff together
09:58 < kanzure> like the time i analyzed the referrer logs
09:58 < kanzure> versus the time i analyzed tag clouds for everyone i talked with
09:58 < kanzure> and then made suggestions for what to talk about
09:59 < Utopiah> talking about #1 referrer logs, I thought it could be used to suggest pages per visitor (unrelated ot chatlogs)
10:00 < kanzure> also i'm busy all day today (meetings out the gazooka)
10:01 < kanzure> i had one scheduled for even before i woke up :/
10:01 < kanzure> er i meant that to sound impossible
10:01 < kanzure> but it is possible that i could oversleep, which didn't happen
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11:25 < jrayhawk> EasyStreet looks like it's being a bit inadequate; if a mirror is needed for repo.meego.com, I can probably arrange for one at PSU pretty quick. Feel free to email me at jrayhawk@omgwallhack.org.
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15:01 < jrayhawk> Hmm. I might need to upgrade the kernel on that system to get rid of this dumb memory problem.
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15:07 < genehacker> James Cameron's making a movie on mars
15:07 < genehacker> http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exploration/Camerons-Camera.html
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15:54 < jrayhawk> that movie is probably going to be co-written with j. micheal straczynski
15:54 < jrayhawk> which means that, unlike every other cameron movie, the plot might actually contain sophistication
16:05 < QuantumG> heh
16:12 < fenn> pff
16:12 < fenn> you're just jealous
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16:24 < genehacker> there is no plot, only 3d, and gratuitous Mars landing action
16:24 < genehacker> *gratuitous 3d Mars landing action
16:25 < genehacker> kanzure will your laser cutter accept pixel based image formats?
16:29 < genehacker> I'd like to laser up some circuit stencils
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16:45 < kanzure> it will cut rectangles if that what you're asking
16:45 < kanzure> and squares!
16:45 < kanzure> oh man, polygons!!11onde
16:51 < fenn> no fair, i've been working on this for at least a week and it still doesn't do anything
17:00 < genehacker> will it accept a pixel based image format like a black and white .jpeg, .bmp, .png, etc
17:00 < genehacker> the wearable thing?
17:01 < fenn> the reprap
17:02 < genehacker> you're working on a reprap now?
17:02 < genehacker> how far along are you
17:06 < kanzure> this seems kind of lame for a portland + oshw combo: http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/detail/12559
17:06 < kanzure> jrayhawk: don't you guys have import restrictions on lameness
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17:15 < genehacker> kanzure what's the laser cutter you got again?
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17:24 < kanzure> genehacker: ULS-25ER
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17:38 < kanzure> hm why do i have only one linux iso
17:38 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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17:43 < QuantumG> http://www.zdnet.com.au/google-to-leave-australia-over-evil-filter-339302180.htm
17:45 < JayDugger> Crap. I have no pranks planned for tomorrow?
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17:54 < kanzure> heh a "we'll leave australia" april fools joke would be pretty cool
18:01 < JayDugger> Hell, I'd rather do an "I've taken a job with your main competitor--in Australia" April's Fool gag.
18:01 < JayDugger> That ought to ruin my employer's day.
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19:13 < kanzure> JayDugger: who knows, you might get a salary bonus / raise!
19:14 < JayDugger> More likely, an updated NDA/Non-Compete and an escort to the door.
19:16 < JayDugger> Recreational reading: http://www.dtic.mil/mctl/DSTL.html
19:16 < QuantumG> my mate got laid off from the company at least 18 months ago.. someone recently asked him about something via an email I was cc'd into and he says "well, under my non-compete agreement I'm not allowed to work on that yet" .. I'm like "dude, you actually think that thing is enforceable?"  Being that the company is in the US and we're in Australia, and non-competes are barely legal anyway..
19:16 < JayDugger> The DoD's Developing Science & Technologies List.
19:17  * kanzure puts in a floppy drive
19:17 < kanzure> *clunk*
19:17 < kanzure> hahah
19:17 < JayDugger> In the US, the non-compete's I've seen usually allow the employer to pick the venue or go directly to arbitration.
19:17 < kanzure> that's right! they had some mechanical snapping going on
19:17 < kanzure> this is ridiculous
19:18 < kanzure> i can't believe we didn't have a fucking floppy drive
19:18 < JayDugger> But, you have a good point about distance affecting enforcability.
19:18 < JayDugger> What use have you for a floppy drive?
19:18 < JayDugger> Holding a door open?
19:18 < kanzure> laser cutter printer drivers
19:18 < QuantumG> we have some people working at the company who are under non-competes from their last job.. and all we do is say "you can't work on this particular project"
19:19 < JayDugger> It ships drivers on floppies?
19:21 < JayDugger> http://www.dtic.mil/mctl/MCTL.html
19:21 < JayDugger> That's the "Militarily Critical" technology list.
19:21 < JayDugger> More recreational reading.
19:23 < fenn> built in drives are useless - usb all the way baby!
19:24 < kanzure> so how do i install a driver on windows? it doesn't seem to want to read data from the floppy
19:24 < fenn> first you have to put the disk in
19:24 < fenn> then you double click on 'my computer'
19:24 < fenn> and then "drive A:"
19:24 < kanzure> yes
19:24 < fenn> and?
19:25 < kanzure> basically i'm at the printer setup wizard thing and it wants me to select from a list of known drivers
19:25 < fenn> it should go "brrt brrt"
19:25 < kanzure> and i go to "have disk"
19:25 < kanzure> and then it reads the disk and it says there is no driver
19:25 < kanzure> but i clearly see the files on the floppy's file system
19:25 < fenn> is it some .exe installer thingy?
19:25 < kanzure> no
19:26 < fenn> what are the filenames?
19:26 < kanzure> ASL810.CDR, ULS, CEMSETUP.INF, ULS2.CHM
19:27 < fenn> cdr?
19:28 < fenn> .inf is an autorun file
19:29 < kanzure> this is what i get when i search for ASL810: http://www.younghanhitech.com/machinery-single_side_lapping.html
19:29 < kanzure> yeah well it's not autorunning
19:29 < fenn> .cdr seems to be corel draw (vector graphics file)
19:29 < fenn> i dont know how to run scripts on windows
19:29 < fenn> do you have corel draw?
19:30 < fenn> oh, also try opening the CHM file (that's a help file)
19:30 < kanzure> yes i know what chm is -_-
19:31 < kanzure> it's not corel draw
19:31 < kanzure> because it has shit like "unexpected heap overflow" bullshit in it
19:31 < kanzure> and "run-time error e M6101 MATH"
19:32 < kanzure> ah you can right click on the .inf and go to "INSTALL"
19:32 < kanzure> "Error: Installation failed"
19:34 < fenn> sudo right click install
19:36 < kanzure> MCI.CDR
19:41 < kanzure> meistergram?
19:41 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/uls.drv
19:44 < fenn> version X.XX
19:45 < kanzure> there's two other floppy disks with the same exact .drv file
19:46 < kanzure> just with different version numbers
19:46 < kanzure> 2.73, 2.74, 2.78
19:51 < fenn> .drv sounds like a driver
19:51 < fenn> <- certified obvious IT profession
19:51 < kanzure> "Complete understanding of how Windows works is essential to the operation of the laser system."
19:52 < kanzure> HA HA
19:56 < JayDugger> "Complete understanding of how Windows works?" Too late to return it?
19:59 < kanzure> welp: http://www.engravingsys.com/members/drivers.htm
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20:00 < kanzure> "# The printer name dialog box will appear. DO NOT RENAME the printer as this may make it inoperable. Choose to whether or not you would like it to be your default printer and click Next."
20:00 < kanzure> don't rename it! it might render it inoperable!
20:01 < kanzure> "Windows 2000 users MUST install at least Service Pack Release version 2 in order to operate the laser system printer driver otherwise the computer will crash every time you attempt to print."
20:01 < fenn> yeah don't name it "breakfaster" i did that once and my computer kept breaking
20:06 < kanzure> ok driver installed
20:06 < kanzure> now who the hell still has RS232 or LPT cabling
20:07 < JayDugger> My employer.
20:07 < JayDugger> And you, apparently. :)
20:08 < kanzure> this is one ancient/broken piece of tech after another
20:08 < kanzure> Windows, floppies, LPT, next it's going to ask me for a fingerprint
20:08 < kanzure> oh yeah and it makes you press "start" before it actually starts
20:10 < fenn> kanzure: now you know why i want to do open source hardware
20:10 < fenn> rs232 is actually not bad as far as things go
20:11 < kanzure> this thing is *heavy*
20:11 < kanzure> and it doesn't have to be
20:11 < kanzure> i see absolutely no reason for this to have so much mass
20:11 < fenn> usb _could_ have been simple and foolproof but they didnt make it that way
20:11 < fenn> where is the mass located?
20:11 < kanzure> do some people get off to adding lots of mass to their already overpriced machines?
20:11 < fenn> get out your mass detector
20:11 < kanzure> the metal casing
20:11 < fenn> chuck it! P
20:11 < fenn> replace with aluminum foil
20:11 < kanzure> heh
20:12 < fenn> foil lined cardboard with aluminum foil tape
20:12 < kanzure> heh! quality
20:12 < fenn> fireproof
20:12 < fenn> sorta
20:12 < fenn> better than styrofoam i guess
20:13 < fenn> to some people mass lends a sense of quality
20:13 < fenn> as in "this must be better because it weighs more, and i paid a lot for it"
20:13 < kanzure> "it certainly *feels* like a lot"
20:13 < fenn> i had some industrial monitors with a 1/4" thick steel bezel around the monitor
20:14 < fenn> 3" wide, weighed like 20 lbs
20:14 < fenn> lcd screens mind you
20:15 < fenn> this reprap stuff is pissing me off. i didnt realize how bad it really was
20:15 < fenn> i'm so close to forking
20:18 < JayDugger> What in particular, fenn, angers you?
20:19 < fenn> the sanguino
20:19 < fenn> "let's take a perfectly good standard and then fuck with it until it doesn't work right or use standard parts, for no good reason"
20:19 < fenn> and the lack of documentation
20:19 < fenn> and the multiple shitty java clients
20:21 < fenn> and forrest higgs, who is alternately the voice of reason and a cranky old bastard who hates on everything i like
20:21 < fenn> and the mcwire, which is a piece of shit
20:21 < fenn> did i forget anything?
20:22 < JayDugger> What makes you say did i forget anything? :)
20:22 < fenn> the gen 1 extruder is a clusterfuck, but at least they fixed it
20:23 < fenn> oh, and adrian bowyer's monarchy
20:23 < fenn> to get something in mainline, you have to EMAIL IT TO HIM
20:23 < fenn> there's no mailing list, everything is strewn over 50 blogs and the forum
20:24 < QuantumG> they're hardware nerds
20:24 < fenn> not really
20:24 < QuantumG> find a linux guy who is bored and finds it interesting to go in and take over
20:24 < fenn> 90% of the people dont know how to drill a hole straight
20:24 < QuantumG> ok, they're just newbs in general then I guess
20:25 < fenn> i'm so moving to planet krypton
20:26 < QuantumG> http://seasteading.org/seastead.org/commented/paper/infra.html
20:29 < fenn> cool
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20:37 < fenn> time to go stand in the rain
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20:41 < kanzure> crap i fucked with iptables by accident and seem to be dropping everything on port 8082
20:41 < kanzure> how do i fix?
20:44 < kanzure> i did something stupid like: sudo iptables -A INPUT -d 192.168.1.104 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 8082 -j ACCEPT
20:45 < QuantumG> is that how linux geeks say I love you?
20:53 < Dustbin> and I just realized I recognize the name QuantumG from slashdot...
20:54 < kanzure> :)
20:56 < QuantumG> ya
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22:05 < fenn> kanzure: i need some weird shapes in plastic, figured it's the best way to make them
22:07 < kanzure> haha puny mortal you figured WRONG
22:07 < kanzure> w-r-e-n-g
22:07 < fenn> alternative?
22:07 < fenn> if you say laser i'm going to kill you
22:07 < kanzure> i am not going to say laser anyway
22:08 < fenn> reprap is not bad in concept, even just as a goo squirter
22:10 < fenn> the problem is: 1) it costs $500 in parts 2) you have to be an electrical engineer to build one 3) you have to be a mechanical engineer to build one
22:10 < fenn> and know a good deal about computers, which might be part of #2
22:11 < fenn> ok dont get me started
22:11  * fenn looks in the fridge for something to gnaw on
22:19 < kanzure> hm what is andrew doing in amsterdam
22:25 < fenn> smokin some dope
22:25 < fenn> bangin those hookers
22:25 < fenn> and riding his bicycle
22:26 < fenn> oh and something about a talk maybe
22:26 < fenn> why else?
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22:27 < fenn> is it morally wrong to put MSG on my own food?
22:28 < fenn> i still havent figured out if it's actually bad for you
22:28 < kanzure> "oh and something about a talk .. maybe" heeee
22:34 < kanzure> "i gave a talk at something called Mobile Monday"
22:34 < kanzure> well there's your answer
22:35 < kanzure> "network and telecom folks"
22:35 < kanzure> "introducing them to DNA as an IT industry and getting them to think about new things in cell phones"
22:35 < kanzure> uh huh /me nods suspciously
22:37 < fenn> hold still this won't hurt a bit
22:38 < fenn> trust me i've from the cell phone company
22:38 < kanzure> hint: never talk to people that know what you're talking about?
22:38  * kanzure worries about texaslinuxfest.org :P
22:38 < fenn> heh
22:38 < fenn> "why arent you using mongodb?" "mongowah?"
22:39 < kanzure> probably some stupid key-store bullshit
22:39 < fenn> yeah
22:39 < kanzure> you're hanging out with too many "web 2.0" people
22:39 < fenn> help
22:40 < fenn> that's all there is out here
22:40 < fenn> them and people with too much money
22:40 < kanzure> i hope nobody in my linux audience knows about mongodb
22:40 < kanzure> if we're lucky maybe we'll pick up some actual developers!
22:40  * fenn grunts
22:41 < kanzure> hehe
22:41 < fenn> beards only plz
22:41 < kanzure> "No beard? No service"
22:41 < fenn> i'm so gonna hang that up on the wall next to me
22:50 < kanzure> "so i was asking about LA because i want to connect you to the most powerful man in hollywood"
22:50 < kanzure> james cameron? O_o
22:50 < kanzure> stalk: oliver luckett
22:54 < fenn> arnold schwarzenegger
22:54 < kanzure> i don't think that's the kind of power he was talking about :x
22:54 < kanzure> (horse power?)
22:55 < fenn> uh, whoever the leader of the crips is? or is it the bloods?
22:55 < kanzure> "i am just wondering what you might do with a media empire at your back"
23:04 < kanzure> les likes the gnusha idea but he doesn't like the idea of voting for positions
23:04 < kanzure> i don't know what the alternative is
23:04 < kanzure> um, a stable alternative
23:05 < kanzure> i guess since gnusha can be replicated indefinitely it wouldn't matter if there's a relatively non-changing social structure under the hood
23:14 < kanzure> fenn: sebastien doesn't seem cooperative half the time, so don't bother until he pings us with some actual progress
23:17 < fenn> voting for positions? sorry i havent been paying attention to this co-op stuff at all
23:17 < kanzure> it's how debian does it
23:17 < kanzure> they do internal elections for various positions IIRC
23:17 < fenn> who counts as "internal"?
23:17 < kanzure> debian developers, apparently, and then some
23:17 < fenn> erm. how does that work
23:17 < fenn> i know you have to be vouched for and then mentored or something
23:17 < kanzure> sequential dropping
23:18 < kanzure> "Shulze method"
23:18 < kanzure> oh
23:19 < kanzure> http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/42155 "However, before candidates are trusted with such tasks, they have to prove not only their programming skills, but also their understanding of Debian processes and philosophy. The process takes months, and there are few exceptions."
23:19 < kanzure> "In particular, unknown candidates are likely to be unable to complete the first step of the process, which requires finding existing developers to recommend them."
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23:21 < JayDugger> kanzure, what's the latest with the EPOC headset?
23:21 < kanzure> JayDugger: still trying to find out how to decrypt AES even if i have a key
23:23 < kanzure> "all reprap users must read the forums, rawr!"
23:31 < fenn> actually he said "emailifcation shortly"
23:32 < fenn> i'm not sure such a thing as forum/email integration exists though
23:36 < fenn> Each forum gets its own unique email address, which only users registered on the site and assigned the permission "post by femail", may post to. For example, a forum titled "Femail issues" on this website would get the email address femail-issues@drupal.org
23:37 < fenn> i see vast bad pun potential
23:38 < fenn> "bad pun" is redundant of course
23:43 < jrayhawk> There are a couple web forum/nntp integration projects.
23:43 < jrayhawk> Sympa is pretty much an web forum/email integration.
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23:46 < jrayhawk> ikiwiki has comment-by-mail and an mbox interpretation plugin.
23:47 < fenn> oh i'm sure there are great things out there
23:47 < fenn> but it doesnt work with $(shitty forum software my project is using and must use for xyz reasons)
23:48 < fenn> the drupal thing sounded pretty good actually