--- Day changed Tue Apr 06 2010 00:00 < genehacker> whoa theo jansen mechanism looks complex 00:12 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-61-165.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:32 < kanzure> how did he not know about the theo jansen mechanisms? 00:33 < kanzure> via JayDugger http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/04/additive-manufacturing-with-high-volume.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29 00:40 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:50 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:56 * nsh decides not to the download the 700Mb zip file for analysis 00:56 < nsh> what is/was that site anyway (ess.myvnc.com:8928)? or how did you find it? 00:57 < kanzure> i don't know the answer to either of those questions O_o 00:59 < nsh> hm 00:59 < nsh> should probably be careful about mirroring things you have no idea about... 00:59 < nsh> not that i care 01:02 < nsh> fun: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22Network+Storage+Link+for+USB+2.0+Disks%22+%22firmware+version%22&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= 01:21 < nsh> http://www.daanmeijer.com/DISK%202/Movies/ 01:26 < fenn> heh 01:27 < fenn> "There was an unusual problem serving the requested URL. " 01:30 < fenn> only seems to work for .tag files on that site 02:07 < Utopiah> @1h30 RMS talks about licensing of ~"compiler for real stuff" blueprints http://www.archive.org/details/RichardStallmanAFreeDigitalSocietytalkPresentedOn13October2009AtThe (basically you need to GPL all that stuff) 02:57 < fenn> triffid's non-suck reprap firmware that runs on regular arduinos: http://github.com/triffid/ATmega-Skeleton/blob/master/mendel/Makefile 02:57 < fenn> something like that 05:48 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 06:52 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 07:12 -!- kingjacob [~d1b8a514@gateway/web/freenode/x-owqkhiixlfztcbqp] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:13 -!- kingjacob [~d1b8a514@gateway/web/freenode/x-owqkhiixlfztcbqp] has quit [Client Quit] 07:29 < kanzure> grr 07:29 < kanzure> i explicitly asked jacob *not* to send out that email 07:30 < kanzure> until we had the constitution, social contract and "free hardware guidelines" drafted 07:31 < kanzure> i even have email correspondence with him where we were talking about this 07:31 < kanzure> *what the fuck* 07:32 < kanzure> am i missing something? 07:34 < JayDugger> The possibility of an honest mistake? 07:36 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/call_for_volunteers 07:36 < kanzure> and he also ignored the god damned wiki 07:36 < kanzure> blah 07:38 -!- ybit2 [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:39 < JayDugger> Well, a wiki edit fight serves no one. 07:41 < kanzure> there was no wiki edit fight 07:41 < kanzure> "things to do BEFORE sending out the call for volunteers" - it's right there on the wiki 07:41 < JayDugger> Yes, I see it. 07:42 < JayDugger> Perhaps he had good reason? 07:48 < kanzure> i doubt it 07:48 < kanzure> but am willing to listen 07:48 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@72-63-149-241.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:49 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: hey 07:49 < hundred-ideas> hey kanzure. got a laser cutter now, eh? 07:49 < kanzure> yes 07:49 < hundred-ideas> most excellent. 07:49 < kanzure> i'm kind of disappointed that jacob sent out that email even though the wiki explicitly asked him not to 07:50 < kanzure> and our email correspondence confirming that as well 07:50 < kanzure> i need to run at the moment. can we talk later? 07:50 < hundred-ideas> sure 07:50 < hundred-ideas> thanks for sending me the email 07:50 < kanzure> which one? 07:50 < JayDugger> No worries. 07:50 < hundred-ideas> I wrote comments to an earlier one, but didn't develop them enough to warrant sending 07:50 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt has the last 20min 07:50 < hundred-ideas> actually you sent it to all of diybio 10 min ago 07:51 < hundred-ideas> I agree that non-assert agreements is an interesting avenue. It seems like the biobricks foundation ended up going in that direction with their BPL. 07:51 < hundred-ideas> thanks. see you. 08:01 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-61-165.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:03 < hundred-ideas> hey genehacker 08:22 -!- ybit3 is now known as ybit2 08:41 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:14d8:67dc:52c6:ef50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:42 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ToyKeeper, kanzure 08:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kanzure, ToyKeeper 08:52 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-61-165.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:04 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.69.235] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- hundred-ideas_ [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:08 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@72-63-149-241.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:08 -!- hundred-ideas_ is now known as hundred-ideas 10:16 -!- anthonyl [~anthonyl@208-78-67-234-rangeroamerinc.clt.ord.sparkplugbb.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:23 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: back 10:28 < hundred-ideas> cool 10:31 < kanzure> sent you an email re: diybio kit store 10:32 < kanzure> just got back from talking with eliza evans 10:33 < kanzure> she wants to fix the R&D pipeline especially for business/university research relations 10:34 < kanzure> apparently she spends most of her time redirecting her contacts from her past life in a chemical industry (or pharma?) to people with labs and equipment, and she wants to streamline/automate this 10:35 < kanzure> one of the problems is that the IP contract with UT for research is something like 30 pages long 10:35 < kanzure> the corresponding legal docs for purdue are one pagers :) 10:35 -!- anthonyl [~anthonyl@208-78-67-234-rangeroamerinc.clt.ord.sparkplugbb.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:36 < kanzure> i didn't mention this to her (because i didn't think of it then) but it looks like it would be an interesting arrangement to do agreements between researchers and a company that wants to sponsor research/work and then transplant the researchers to a university that is easier to work with when it comes to IP bullshit 10:40 < kanzure> or even have them intern at a particular hackerspace or something 10:46 < hundred-ideas> Alternative sources of infrastructure to dodge university IP policies is interesting 10:46 < hundred-ideas> I would like to see data about how problematic university IP policies actually are 10:47 < hundred-ideas> it's one of those things that is burdensome in theory but may not actually be in widespread practice. Or maybe it is. Or maybe there are much bigger problems. 10:48 < kanzure> $35B in research money from U.S. companies goes overseas because of IP bullshit 10:52 < hundred-ideas> source? 10:52 < kanzure> eliza :/ 10:52 < kanzure> i'll ask her for some data on that 10:52 < hundred-ideas> are you in CST? 10:53 < kanzure> yes 10:53 < kanzure> i should have mentioned that. sorry 10:53 < hundred-ideas> Does 3:00 pm CST tomorrow work? 10:53 < hundred-ideas> I have a meeting at 4:00 CST. 10:53 < kanzure> yes 10:53 < kanzure> but right now also works 10:53 < hundred-ideas> ok 10:55 < hundred-ideas> I am working on the diybio.org backend tonight and tomorrow, building an user account system. If it would be useful for me to have practical info on my approach and progress, then we should postpone till tomorrow. If we are mostly going to be high-level conceptual, let's do it now. 10:56 < hundred-ideas> and should one say "building an user..." or "building a user..." 10:56 < kanzure> uh, well, basically i was going to give you some ideas for how to use skdb packages for your "kits database" 10:56 < kanzure> or offer to implement it for you 10:57 < kanzure> this way people can just do development on an open source hardware project, throw it into a .git, push the git repository to you and you have their kit deets 10:57 < hundred-ideas> great 10:58 < hundred-ideas> let's do it. I'm macowell on skype 10:58 < kanzure> my headphone jack is broken and i can't use just the microphone jack and not the speaker jack 10:58 < hundred-ideas> cell phone then? 10:58 < kanzure> yeah 10:58 < kanzure> one sec 10:58 < hundred-ideas> ok, call me, I'm 231 313 9062 10:59 < kanzure> nah, you're already in my address books 11:00 < kanzure> hm you disconnected 11:46 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 11:49 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:54 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: email sent with deets 11:55 < hundred-ideas> thanks. good chat. 11:55 < hundred-ideas> minifluidic turbidistat arduino shield, baby 11:56 < hundred-ideas> apply for an awesome foundation grant to make a sweet video, btw. 11:57 < kanzure> i don't know why i have so many film-making friends 11:58 < hundred-ideas> also, my 1-pager on microfluidic tinkering platforms for synthetic aesthetics 11:58 < hundred-ideas> http://has100ideas.com/idea/synthetic-aesthetics-proposal 11:58 < kanzure> where do i send an application to awesomefund.org 11:59 < kanzure> their website is non-awesome 12:00 < kanzure> oh 12:00 < kanzure> http://awesomefoundation.org/ 12:20 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: ok submitted. 12:20 < kanzure> hm i didn't know david nunez was doing awesomefoundation 12:21 < kanzure> clay shirky too eh? 12:26 < kanzure> fenn: on 2010-04-10 i will have the funds in my paypal account for your wishlist 12:27 < Utopiah> guys who are into wearable computing, do you have other links regarding (light) clothing (don't talk about having a Sun Server in your backpack please ;) like http://www.fashioningtech.com/ or http://www.media.mit.edu/wearables/ ? 12:39 < kanzure> i wonder if a bank will o.k. a request to assign a credit card to an irc channel 12:57 < kanzure> so, for the singularity studies 2010 course, what should the required reading be for the day before i lecture on downloadable hardware, open source hardware, etc.? 12:58 < kanzure> maybe cory doctorow's "makers"? 12:58 < kanzure> a chapter from christopher kelty's twobits.net book? 13:01 < kanzure> hooray we have a syllbus going on 13:01 < kanzure> http://crab.rutgers.edu/%7Egoertzel/SyllabusSingularityStudies.pdf 13:01 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: i'll be lecturing one day on diy stuff. any ideas for "required reading"? 13:02 < hundred-ideas> hey I just grabbed the syllabus 13:02 < hundred-ideas> hmmm 13:02 < hundred-ideas> have you read childhood's end by Vinge? 13:02 < hundred-ideas> wait wait 13:02 < hundred-ideas> Rainbow's End. 13:03 < hundred-ideas> there are some neat, easy-to-read sections on diy epidemiology and biotech automation 13:03 < kanzure> i haven't read rainbow's end yet. 13:03 < kanzure> believe it or not, my grandmother sent me a copy of that book 13:04 < kanzure> because she thought it was cool :P 13:13 < hundred-ideas> *I* think it's cool 13:13 < hundred-ideas> nerdgasmic 13:14 < hundred-ideas> but it's also pretty cool. If you are into sci-fi. 13:14 < hundred-ideas> what's the hardest of the hard scifi out there? 13:16 < kanzure> greg egan? 13:16 < kanzure> what with his "synthetic biology forests" 13:16 < hundred-ideas> yeah, that's what I was thinking 13:16 < kanzure> hm that's actually not a bad idea 13:16 < hundred-ideas> redefining hard. 13:16 < kanzure> i liked that short story a lot 13:16 < hundred-ideas> I haven't read that one. 13:17 < hundred-ideas> which one is it? 13:17 < hundred-ideas> There's a lot of biotech in his novel Distress. 13:18 < kanzure> it's from his short story book "luminous" 13:18 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_%28story_collection%29 13:19 < kanzure> "# Chaff - An agent is sent to kill a geneticist who is working in a druglord controlled stronghold in the jungles of Colombia, and working on important brain altering research." 13:19 < kanzure> quantumkat: do you have that in your collection? 13:19 < kanzure> fenn: or you? 13:20 < kanzure> i know you both have the same damn collection so, whatever. 13:20 < quantumkat> Let me check. 13:20 < kanzure> it will be in the book "luminous" 13:21 < quantumkat> I have a pdf of Luminous. 13:21 < kanzure> will you upload it to designfiles.org somewhere? :) 13:22 < quantumkat> Sure thing. 13:22 < kanzure> yay 13:23 < quantumkat> It'll be just a sec 13:28 < kanzure> cool 13:39 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/luminous.pdf 13:39 < kanzure> owned 13:39 < fenn> if you dont have the pdf, you dont own it 13:40 < kanzure> what? 13:40 < kanzure> no, i mean, katbot was 0wned by you 13:40 < kanzure> you and your linuxskillz 13:41 < fenn> you know its on your LAN, i could just copy all 10GB or whatever to your machine 13:42 < kanzure> but then who will i pester for scifi :( 13:44 < fenn> Utopiah: i think you'd have to be crazy (like me) to not use an android phone as the CPU 13:45 < Utopiah> fenn: heard about project using (for good reasons) FPGA on such project? or just Arduinos? 13:45 < fenn> FPGA's are power hogs 13:45 < Utopiah> ah 13:46 < fenn> i wouldnt mind having a GNUradio frontend 13:46 < fenn> i think that falls into the "Sun server in the backpack" category 13:46 * fenn blames the FPGA monopoly 13:48 < kanzure> wouldn't "sun server in the backpack" be stupid? 14:08 * kanzure thinks he might end up with 3 presentations for scipy2010 14:08 < kanzure> i'm the "drone python programmer" that various projects are using 14:08 < kanzure> since they can't be in austin themselves 14:09 < kanzure> pythonocc, sympy, and datapkg/okfn/ckan 14:09 < kanzure> my voice is going to hurt. 14:13 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-45-85.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- faceface [~dmb@bioinformatics.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:27 < kanzure> hm i wonder if requiring that a person can only hold a certain number of patents at a time (i.e. make it a game of risk management) would do anything interesting 14:28 -!- faceface [~dmb@bioinformatics.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:28 < Utopiah> makes me wonder, did anybody make an adaptation of Monopoly for patents (IP) instead of real estate? 14:37 < fenn> intellectual property taxes is the only thing that even vaguely makes sense 14:37 < fenn> use it or lose it 14:38 < fenn> so i'm away from the dojo for a week and when i come back everything's pink and there's shelves and drawers and a dead robot 14:38 < fenn> except this time it's not a photoshop trick 14:41 < Dustbin> hmm wonder if les would freak out if we painted the shop pink 15:31 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.69.235] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:34 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: hundred-ideas] 15:39 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.69.235] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:40 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.69.235] has quit [Client Quit] 15:48 < fenn> how come multimeters dont have usb ports to charge their batteries 15:48 < fenn> and log data 15:48 < fenn> wah 15:56 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:42 -!- Noahj1 [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:43 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:00 -!- aauussttiinn [~mpu@digitaldwntn-gru-gw.customer.gru.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:03 -!- aauussttiinn [~mpu@digitaldwntn-gru-gw.customer.gru.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 17:19 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/reprap_thermal1.jpg http://fennetic.net/irc/reprap_thermal2.jpg 17:19 < fenn> that was from a few days ago.. i'll see if i can get a video of printing next time i'm there 17:54 -!- Redeemer_2 [~Redeemer_@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:09 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-45-85.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:11 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-45-85.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:15 -!- Redeemer_2 [~Redeemer_@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:15 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:14d8:67dc:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:31 < JayDugger> Second cup of coffee consumed, and I now can type. 18:31 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 18:45 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:57 -!- thesnark [~michael@ppp-69-221-11-7.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:10 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:13 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:47 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:48 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-121-108.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-121-108.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:55 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:56 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:56 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:59 < kanzure> emotiv epoc eeg headset + iphone? 19:59 < JayDugger> To what end? 20:00 < kanzure> i don't know. but it's being hyped :( 20:00 < JayDugger> I'd rather have a bluetooth neurophone, assuming neurophones actually work. 20:00 < kanzure> bingo :) 20:06 < thesnark> kanzure it's looking like I may get the job I wanted this summer. Do you still have a room available? 20:06 < kanzure> what does summer mean, again? 20:06 < thesnark> May-August 20:08 < kanzure> hum 20:08 < kanzure> well, technically yes 20:08 < kanzure> your main competitor is jason wohlfahrt. getting you to austin would be pretty cool 20:18 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:14d8:67dc:52c6:ef50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:31 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-103-243.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:51 -!- thesnark [~michael@ppp-69-221-11-7.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:57 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-103-243.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:11 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-45-85.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16 -!- katsmeow-afk is now known as katsmeow 21:26 * katsmeow missed JAMA changing it's name to jama.ama-assn.org ,,, sounds like some basketball org 21:27 < Dustbin> in response to stuff an hour and a half ago 21:27 < Dustbin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocal_recognition 21:37 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-43-126.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:06 -!- QuantumG [~qg@nuclear.biodome.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:11 < fenn> huh. the subvocal guys are in mountain view? i should go pay them a visit 22:16 -!- strages [~strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:53 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-43-126.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:00 -!- QuantumG [~qg@nuclear.biodome.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:02 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 23:10 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-43-126.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap