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07:28 < kanzure> hm i can't seem to install a new version of openssh-client because /usr/bin/ssh is being stubborn and won't let me move it (or even change its permissions)
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08:20 < Utopiah> lsof | grep ssh
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08:36 < kanzure> Utopiah: no, i don't think that's why
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08:45 < kanzure> fenn: sarah's comments on zigzagging on twister is interesting
08:45 < kanzure> i need to test this with some females
08:45 < kanzure> "
08:45 < kanzure> "Incidentally, I was amused by another observation in that article.  A
08:45 < kanzure> man who became a woman pointed out that men walk straight on sidewalks
08:45 < kanzure> while women zig-zag.  I found this to be very true of my own behavior
08:45 < kanzure> and modified it as a test in NYC by walking as directly as I could
08:45 < kanzure> down the busy Broadway sidewalks near school.  I bumped into many men
08:45 < kanzure> (who expected me to zig) but didn't hit a single woman (who still
08:45 < kanzure> zagged out of my way). Some of my coworkers have commented how I
08:45 < kanzure> normally don't walk straight down the hallway (even when there aren't
08:45 < kanzure> people there) unless I make a conscious effort to do so."
08:47 < kanzure> can anyone get me: "Only Connect: Personal Genomics and the Future of American Medicine"
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10:20 < katsmeow-afk> kanzure, it's true, men expect you to know they own the space, and to get out of their way, and to appologise when you do
10:22 < katsmeow-afk> it's expected that no matter what they are doing, it's more important than what a female is doing, so it's widely recognised the woman should not interfere, should get out of the way
10:23 < katsmeow-afk> it's also possible the result of an interaction would be an invite to sex, which the woman prolly doesn't want to put up with , so goes the extra mile to go around the male
10:23 < katsmeow-afk> and then there's sidewalk rage int he event of collision, which the woman would lose
10:26 < katsmeow-afk> and collateral siodewalk rage, in which it's reported to a jealous significant other that one party was "intentionally" bumping into others
10:28 < katsmeow-afk> "accidently" bumping into someone is a ok way to grope the other in public when pushing them away, if done descretely and with appologies for the collision, if those watching can assume the two don't know each other; example: gay couple looking different windows of a storefront then turning and walking right into each other
10:35 < klafka> i ahve seen that before
10:35 < klafka> though not w/ a gay couple
10:39 < katsmeow-afk> and of course, pickpockets
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12:59 < hundred-ideas> postdocs using getarticles?
12:59 < hundred-ideas> t
12:59 < hundred-ideas> that's cool.
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13:02 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: also kind of sad that they don't have access.
13:04 < hundred-ideas> I have heard rumors of a national sneakernet of journals and textbooks in India.
13:04 < hundred-ideas> hard-drives passed from university to university.
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13:17 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: have you seen the ezproxy password forums?
13:35 < hundred-ideas> kanzure: no.
13:44 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: tomorrow i'm giving a talk on the technical aspects of skdb. anything you'd like to hear in particular?
13:44 < hundred-ideas> ah yes.  Hmmm.
13:45 < hundred-ideas> Most meaningful answers would require familiarity with the technical details of skdb, which I lack.
13:45 < hundred-ideas> But I have two general questions
13:46 < kanzure> most of the audience will not know the technical details until i mention them
13:46 < hundred-ideas> Tell me your rough outline
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13:47 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: i may or may not include this giant introductory section that can be skipped since we can assume the entire audience is familiar with linux, debian, apt-get, dpkg, and software packaging
13:47 < kanzure> after that, a brief hardware dependency story, an analysis of the story extracting common features and elements (i.e. "oh snap, that's a dependency")
13:47 < kanzure> then showing the current package/folder format for skdb and some reasoning for each of the choices that were made
13:49 < kanzure> after that, maybe some less technical stuff, like general definitions of open source hardware, licensing options, communities on the web, open source hardware projects, legos
13:51 < hundred-ideas> I think you should try and retell the contemporary packaging techniques in 1 minute or 2, just to synchronize everyone and yourself
13:52 < kanzure> whois silona bonewald?
13:53 < hundred-ideas> I think most people are going to want to know the scope of the project:  1) what can be packaged in it and 2) used today, and what will packages look like 3) and what set of things will be packaged in 3-5 years 4).
13:53 < kanzure> fenn: can you do me a favor and stalk this guy? http://www.facebook.com/#!/markmhendrickson
13:54 < kanzure> he's like, your neighbor
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14:03 < hundred-ideas> Anyone ever heard of proquints?
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14:08 < hundred-ideas> PROnouncable QUINTuplets. 127.0.0.1 = lusab-babad
14:09 < hundred-ideas> PROnouncable QUINTuplets. 127.0.0.1 = lusab-babad
14:09 < hundred-ideas> oops
14:09 < hundred-ideas> http://arxiv.org/html/0901.4016
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14:18 < kanzure> "The Humanity+ Summit is going to be held at Harvard University on June
14:18 < kanzure> 12-13, 2010, and we would like to invite you to speak."
14:18 < kanzure> hm
14:18 < kanzure> what should i talk about
14:20 < kanzure> http://hplussummit.com/
14:23 < JayDugger> That's short notice.
14:24 < kanzure> no kidding
14:24 < JayDugger> How about comparing Factor E Farm, Burning Man, and other modern utopian communities to their historic precedents: kibbutz, Nauvoo, etc.
14:24 < JayDugger> Nah...stick to hardware.
14:24 < JayDugger> Leave that fuzzy-head crap to wta-talk.
14:24 < kanzure> they want my talk abstract by april 12th
14:25 < JayDugger> Damn.
14:28 < kanzure> fenn: paypal.com money has been transferred. what do i do now
14:30 < kanzure> maybe june is a good target date to have the microfluidics stuff done
14:30 < kanzure> so that would make an interesting talk
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14:40 < hundred-ideas> yeah
14:42 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: would you go see it? :)
14:43 < kanzure> if you're still in boston in june
14:54 < hundred-ideas> I'll be here
14:54 < hundred-ideas> I put it on my cal
14:55 < hundred-ideas> I'd like to be making progress on my mini/microfluidics project by then
14:57 < kanzure> ok
14:57 < klafka> so on a chance is anyone going to the network biology 2.0 symposium in boston next week?
14:58 < klafka> since i know some people here do bio stuff
15:01 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: i'll ship you some microfluidics stuff that i etch/cut out
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15:02 < hundred-ideas> I am going to the Synthetic Biology symposium
15:02 < hundred-ideas> if that's what you are talking about
15:02 < klafka> no the network bio one
15:02 < hundred-ideas> kanzure: great.  I hope we can work together
15:02 < klafka> http://www.gnsbiotech.com/static_content/networkbiology2/
15:02 < klafka> maybe it's the same? it seems to have some synthetic bio stuff in it
15:05 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: how long will it take awesomefoundation to get back to me
15:05 < hundred-ideas> grant cycle is once a month
15:05 < kanzure> their response time ain't quite awesome
15:05 < kanzure> oh
15:05 < kanzure> screw that
15:05 < hundred-ideas> did you select a particular region?
15:05 < kanzure> no
15:06 < hundred-ideas> that's ok
15:06 < hundred-ideas> there are several mini foundations
15:06 < hundred-ideas> most seem to focus about 80% of award on local projects
15:06 < fenn> one month is pretty quick as far as grant giving organizations go
15:07 < klafka> yeah that's fast
15:07 < hundred-ideas> the cycles of the various mini foundations are out of phase, so you might hear back sooner than a month.  but unlikely.
15:20 < kanzure> fenn: any suggestions for the talk? mac's hints above were helpful
15:21 < JayDugger> Let me play devil's advocate.
15:22 < JayDugger> Why do I, as the average H+, care about microfluidics beyond its "gee-whiz" appeal?
15:22 < kanzure> only if you let me be gandalf
15:22 < kanzure> JayDugger: wrong conference. scroll up higher or check the irc logs
15:22 < JayDugger> Sorry.
15:22 < kanzure> :D
15:23 < kanzure> let me split up the logs real quick
15:23 < fenn> microfluidics is a good topic; i dont expect anything serious to have been accomplished in two months though
15:23 < kanzure> fenn: i'm making a video demonstration thingy
15:23 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-04-09.log
15:23 < JayDugger> Thanks.
15:24 < kanzure> JayDugger: check around 13:44 and then some
15:24 < fenn> i mean really you want more than "look we made a circuit" - you should be demonstrating PCR or something
15:25 < kanzure> it shouldn't take 2mo do PCR
15:25 < fenn> git 'r done
15:25 < kanzure> *to do 
15:25 < fenn> that's not a bad name actually
15:25 < kanzure> it's a terrible name
15:25 < kanzure> what are you talking about
15:25 < fenn> haha
15:26 < fenn> ok this time i'm really going to noisebridge
15:26  * kanzure shakes his head
15:27 < fenn> i swear i'm gonna do it!
15:27 < kanzure> "i'll do it! i'll do it! don't anybody move"
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15:35 < hundred-ideas> kanzure: my 2-month goal is to build a constant-culture minifluidic.
15:35 < hundred-ideas> focus on a heat shock or electroporation module
15:35 < hundred-ideas> ok ok or a pcr module
15:36 < hundred-ideas> or, since you work so much on interfaces, on user-friendly interfaces for microfludic modules
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15:38 < kanzure> minifluidic is an adjective, i think, so it should probably be: "minifluidic constant-culture thing" or "minifluidic constant-culture system"
15:51 < kanzure> why does romie have an @diybio.org address
15:51 < hundred-ideas> he asked for one when he was setting up the diybio-la group
15:51 < kanzure> could i have one? :p
15:52 < hundred-ideas> sure
15:52 < kanzure> bryan@diybio.org would be hawt
15:52 < hundred-ideas> Jason Bobe owns the domain
15:52 < hundred-ideas> unfortunately
15:52 < hundred-ideas> which has hampered handing out email accounts
15:53 < kanzure> why does that hamper anything
15:53 < hundred-ideas> well, hamper is the wrong word
15:54 < kanzure> i need to scamper off to a speaker's dinner. strangely enough it sounds like the conference volunteers are not invited? wtf. they've done more work than any of the speakers
15:54 < hundred-ideas> ah that's lame
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16:39 < kanzure> http://fabbaloo.com/blog/2010/4/9/3d-printing-aids-biohacking.html
16:39 < kanzure> http://subrealism.blogspot.com/2010/04/garage-biology.html
16:40 < kanzure> http://biotechview.blogspot.com/2010/04/hacking-dna.html
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16:41 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: have you seen this? http://spectrum.ieee.org/image/1231408
16:43 < kanzure> hahaha
16:43 < kanzure> "dark biology"
16:44 < hundred-ideas> I have seen that image
16:44 < kanzure> also, i think eri gentry's garage door is going to go down in history as the most popular garage
16:45 < kanzure> updated: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F
16:46 < kanzure> why is ladyada picking up OSHUG but not OM? wtf
16:46 < kanzure> "using gpl for hardware is a bad idea" http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?58,40874,41341,quote=1
16:47 < kanzure> oh please.
16:47 < kanzure> it's just sebastien thinking he can make FSF consider us
16:47 < kanzure> sebastien, we've tried..
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17:38 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/eff_noisebridge.jpg
17:39 < fenn> halt! non-free software detected.
17:39 < hundred-ideas> hah.
17:43 < hundred-ideas> the article at http://biotechview.blogspot.com/2010/04/hacking-dna.html is from the IEEE and has been cited on other Syn Bio sites
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19:52 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: thanks
20:01 < hundred-ideas> for sure
20:09 < kanzure> rejon is pretty fun in person.
20:10 < kanzure> jrayhawk: you around?
20:11 < kanzure> jrayhawk: an IBM patents guy and i were talking, and he's rock solid with the NATO idea
20:11 < kanzure> he suggested that it would be even more awesome if anyone in the non-assert pool gets to use *the other patents* in patent litigation cases against non-assert-pool members.
20:12 < kanzure> god i'm probably going to end up with a legal startup. :/
20:12 < kanzure> halp
20:13 < kanzure> um
20:14 < kanzure> in patent litigation cases against non-[non-assert-pool]-members
20:46 < kanzure> hm i think i need a yak shaving slide. how do i do this?
20:47 < kanzure> http://google.com/search?q="lord+of+obstacles" wut?
21:09 < kanzure> wtf the talk isn't going to be recorded on video?
21:09 < kanzure> what's the point
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21:56 < kanzure> what i have semi-finalized so far: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/presentations/apt-get-for-hardware.pdf
21:56 < kanzure> Hopefully this will take at least one minute per slide if not more. There's still a good number of slides left to do, like distributed versus centralized revision control systems, YAML, CAD, legos, kit store, legal bullshit (ugh), Gnusha, the Austin Hackerspace, my microfluidics project maybe, ...
22:02 < JayDugger> Slide 5's image pairs demonstrate contrast?
22:02 < jrayhawk> i like that IBM guy
22:02 < jrayhawk> he's eviler than me
22:03 < JayDugger> I think you need a nuclear pulse rocket dependency tree on slide 10. :)
22:03 < JayDugger> How much time do you have for the overall presentation?
22:03 < kanzure> you *always* need a nuclear pulse rocket dependency tree
22:03 < kanzure> JayDugger: 25min
22:04 < JayDugger> I do, yes. ;)
22:05 < JayDugger> Okay. So far so good. 
22:55 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/presentations/apt-get-for-hardware.v2.pdf
22:59 < JayDugger> Slide 3--Why a RepRap? Just to establish desktop fabrication in the storyline?
23:00 < JayDugger> Slide 13--Does your audience already understand both version control and centralized vs. distributed VCS?
23:02 < kanzure> JayDugger: slide 13 would involve some explanation on that front, sure
23:02 < JayDugger> Slide 14--Text too small to read, highlighting a little distracting. Switching to a larger font and a smaller excerpt would solve both problems.
23:02 < kanzure> as for slide 3, people get *really* excited about reprap for some reason. i don't know why.
23:02 < JayDugger> Slide 15 balances  font size and highlighting.
23:03 < JayDugger> Hang on...gf threw an interrupt.
23:08 < JayDugger> Slide 19 doesn't clearly suggest anything. I guess the three rows should demonstrate parallels, but the uneven  layout weakens that. Regardless, budget extra time to explain this slide.
23:09 < kanzure> yeah
23:09 < JayDugger> slide 20--expand the acronyms: PPL & TAPR. replace CC with the logo.
23:10 < JayDugger> Slide 20--Remove "But everyone is optimistic. :-)" save that for your speaking, if you can pull off the humor. If not, leave it.
23:10 < JayDugger> leave it on the slide.
23:11 < JayDugger> Slides 21-24: Look like ads. Fine, but then 21 and 23 need URLs.
23:11 < kanzure> they aren't quite ads. there's actual stuff to talk about..
23:12 < JayDugger> Have you read O'Reilly's slide:ology?
23:12 < kanzure> no.
23:13 < JayDugger> I don't have a need for public speaking, so I can't tell you if it has merit. It is an O'Reilly book, and so probably has some.
23:13 < JayDugger> What do you plan to discuss on the last four slides?
23:14 < kanzure> it's a sekr1t
23:14 < kanzure> well, not really
23:15 < JayDugger> Fair enough.
23:15 < JayDugger> i think you should swap the order of slides 21 and 22.
23:16 < kanzure> wouldn't hurt
23:16 < JayDugger> In the remainder of the talk, you go from general to specific, but in those two you go from a specific example to a world map. That contrasts, which might help sustain audience attention.
23:17 < JayDugger> Or I might talk out of pure ignorance. I don't have to talk with humans very often. :)
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