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06:17 < faceface> where is the paper request gg?
06:17 < faceface> http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/32943/title/Nabbing_suspicious_SNPs
06:18 < faceface> this is balls, but there are one or two good points: http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/57091/title/Odds_Are%2C_Its_Wrong
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07:20 < kanzure> "multi-plexed automated genetic engineering" (MAGE)
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07:23 < nsh> sounds good
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08:56 < JayDugger> @follow librarycongress
08:58 < JayDugger> In a retro '90s mood today...NIN, perhaps?
09:11 < JayDugger> Whoops, sorry. That should've been the twitter window.
09:11 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://bit.ly/structory could you answer again? we've updated it
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10:32 < egeste> sup chupacabra 
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11:20 < kanzure> ooh ooh look! 
11:20 < kanzure> http://www.flickr.com/photos/victortrac/4516695937/
11:21 < kanzure> yay i'm licensed "creative commons"
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11:25 < fenn> kanzure is an app store
11:32 < kanzure> fenn: check email re: tudor
11:32 < kanzure> er, i mean, bologna
11:38 < kanzure> this guy is asking for some "online notebook" solutions: http://www.downstate.edu/pharmacology/faculty/lytton.html
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11:38 < kanzure> "I have an enotebook that I've developed over many years in elisp (emacs)
11:38 < kanzure> but I doubt that anyone who is not already an emacs fanatic would want
11:38 < kanzure> to use it."
11:39 < kanzure> "in general, I like to have some outline mode functionality, pointers to graphics rather than embedded and some integration with the versioning system."
11:41 < kanzure> i'll probably tell him to just store that stuff in the mercurial repository
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12:14 < kanzure> 80/20 buyers and aficionados, could you take a short 13q survey? http://bit.ly/structory 
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13:07 < kanzure> http://www.knowledgefoundations.com/Papers.html
13:07 < Dustbin> that linked godaddy...
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13:09 < kanzure> Dustbin: fooey.
13:09 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20071207220329/http://www.knowledgefoundations.com/Papers.html
13:10 < kanzure> hm doesn't look that interesting :x
13:10 < kanzure> "page paper on basic knowledge theory, science and knowledge engineering methodologies by R L Ballard"
13:10 < kanzure> ballard?
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13:26 < kanzure> "open source in telecommunications" http://ossg.bcs.org/2010/03/22/open-source-in-telecommunications-london-220410/http://ossg.bcs.org/2010/03/22/open-source-in-telecommunications-london-220410/
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13:32 < jk4930> kanzure: are you here?
13:36 < kanzure>   jk4930 hey :)
13:37 < kanzure> jk4930: yes
13:37 < jk4930> hey
13:37 < jk4930> just a silly question do I have :)
13:37 < jk4930> what is your crap_meet_list?
13:37 < kanzure> crap_meet ?
13:37 < kanzure> where?
13:37 < jk4930> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/crap_meet_list.lst.txt
13:38 < kanzure> it's a list of everyone i think
13:38 < kanzure> except there's something wrong with it
13:38 < kanzure> so i called it crap_meet_list
13:38 < jk4930> was just wondering about the "crap" :D
13:39 < jk4930> so, how are you? university is going fine?
13:39 < kanzure> jk4930: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2009-07-01_to_2010-03-25.png
13:39 < kanzure> i keep track of who i talk with daily
13:39 < jk4930> wow, you're a total control wonder. :)
13:40 < jk4930> i mean, you're extensive lists of everything, just wow.
13:40 < jk4930> you're -> your
13:43 < jk4930> tell me, are you hacking medical stuff? Phase III? ;)
13:44 < kanzure> *cough* no, of course not!
13:44 < jk4930> hehe, of course.
13:45 < jk4930> do you still follow the OCE discussions?
13:45 < kanzure> a little bit, here and there
13:47 < jk4930> possible that you know it, I'm in the group that should reform OCE. It's dead.
13:47 < kanzure> i think you should just hang around here instead :)
13:47 < jk4930> could be true
13:47 < kanzure> oce was never anything special (sorry guilio!)
13:47 < kanzure> i know guilio worked hard on it :(
13:48 < jk4930> yeah, but he couldn't organize it the right way
13:51 < jk4930> i tried to get some students to love synth. biology. no success. :(
13:51 < kanzure> which students? where 
13:52 < jk4930> biology. germany
13:53 < kanzure> hm
13:54 < jk4930> not very elite or hackers. so nothing to worry about.
13:54 < jk4930> just sad that they're that uninteressted.
13:55 < jk4930> on a space workshop this weekend the biology students were more open to it
13:55 < kanzure> brb someone just lost a fingertip i think
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14:06 < genehacker> is it time to break out the pig bladder enzymes?
14:26 < fenn> pipet bot from ilan moyer: http://vimeo.com/9633707
14:53 < kanzure> http://www.testra.com/
14:58 < fenn> only in san francisco: http://fennetic.net/irc/vintage_battery.jpg
14:58 < fenn> "vintage power source"
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15:10 < kanzure> http://r-phylo.org/ phylogenetics in R
15:19 < kanzure> what the *fuck*
15:19 < kanzure> "
15:20 < kanzure> Thiel wants to build artificial islands to escape Western civilization, John Galt style, and establish an anarcho-capitalist dreamland.  Democracy is tyranny on the rich and must be abandoned"
15:20 < kanzure> i would hardly call the seasteading institute a vehicle for "john galt"
15:21 < genehacker> not ayn rand style and not underwater?
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16:14 < kanzure> huh peter thiel is gay?
16:15 < kanzure> http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/09/acorn_videomake.php?page=1
16:15 < kanzure> i don't know how they can call thiel "conservative"
16:16 < kanzure> "He was also co-founding editor of the conservative Stanford Review and was a member of the Federalist Society, the conservative legal circle that has included Clarence Thomas, Robert Bork and Antonin Scalia"
16:16 < kanzure> eh
16:23 < kanzure> haha maybe siai is conservative
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18:18 < kanzure> knome.com called me up to talk about CGI
18:18 < kanzure> turns out they meant the CGI sequencers
18:18 < kanzure> not the gateway interface :/
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20:43 < kanzure> http://www.fastcompany.com/1616120/nasa-obama-astronauts-budget-constellation-armstrong-lovell-cernan
20:49 < QuantumG> sad eh
20:49 < QuantumG> the outright ignorance of these "heroes" suggest why they've been silent for so many years
20:52 < QuantumG> blowing $9B and achieving so little is a reason to cancel a program, not continue it.
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21:49 < genehacker> you read the NASA budget right?
21:50 < genehacker> they might have an asteroid or moon mining mission
21:50 < genehacker> at the very least a mission to an asteroid to see what it's made of
21:50 < kanzure> we've already done that
21:51 < genehacker> we don't know if they are rock piles
21:56 < genehacker> oh dang looks like they're just looking at melting ice and making oxygen
21:58 < genehacker> I was hoping they were going to mine metals
21:59  * katsmeow-afk growls at the whole "NASA shining moment" after allowing the spacecraft to fly with the wrong heaters, not detecting the electrical overload untill after the tanks have ruptured
21:59 < katsmeow-afk> next time i screw up and 3 people nearly die, i want that to be called my shining moment too
22:04 < genehacker> well it looks like they're certainly focused on resource extraction
22:04 < genehacker> for fuel and air
22:04 < genehacker> at the very least
22:05 < QuantumG> yeah, the shining moment was that they didn't say "well, I guess they're fucked" and go home
22:07 < katsmeow-afk> that would have been untenable
22:08 < QuantumG> with a lesser team they probably would have been fucked though.. I expect today they'd be fucked.
22:08 < katsmeow-afk> i'd hope today the computers would have checked the components and their proper operation and alerted the crew before detonation
22:09 < QuantumG> so you'd get some other flaw.
22:09 < katsmeow-afk> something idiotically stupid like "hey, it's pulling 4x the rated current
22:09 < QuantumG> take it as a given that something has gone wrong.. now how do you get them home?
22:10 < katsmeow-afk> iirc, 2 tanks blew, sequentially, with no fuses blown, no overpressure alarms, nothing
22:10 < genehacker> so how do you make computers check the components?
22:11 < katsmeow-afk> given it was known all the preflights possible can still allow someone to be sick in flight, i'd have kept a few pills int he medkit for bladder infections, for one
22:11 < katsmeow-afk> generic all purpose antibiotics
22:12 < QuantumG> pah, babying
22:12 < QuantumG> men were men back then
22:12 < katsmeow-afk> and died, too
22:12 < katsmeow-afk> Apollo didn't die, i didn't say that
22:12 < QuantumG> and were willing to die
22:12 < QuantumG> Apollo 1's crew certainly did
22:12 < katsmeow-afk> thing is, it was a totally avoidable senario
22:13 < QuantumG> back then, there's was a purpose to the manned space program.. it was a national need
22:13 < katsmeow-afk> yea, that was a hell of a stunt too, feeding pure O2 thru flammable lines
22:13 < QuantumG> these days its a boondoggle to inspire little kids to do their science homework
22:14 < katsmeow-afk> i was in hs back then, orpre-hs, and couldn't believe the mistakes that were made
22:15 < genehacker> they avoided something like that recently
22:15 < QuantumG> Apollo was war by other means.. and in those terms it the casualties are irrelevant.
22:15 < QuantumG> 3 dudes died, woo
22:15 < katsmeow-afk> it was a stupid error
22:15 < genehacker> apparently the titanium company supply titanium for the next Mars rover didn't supply aerospace grade titanium
22:16 < genehacker> so they're having to rebuild the whole thing
22:16 < katsmeow-afk> wrong titanium, woo
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23:59 < heath> "Robert Freitas Awarded Historic First Mechanosynthesis Patent" :\