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00:08 < kanzure> fenn: so.. clown suit?
00:08 < kanzure> suite
00:08 < klafka> suit
00:09 < kanzure> suit
00:09 < klafka> you keep really late hours dont you kanzure 
00:09 < kanzure> the internet does strange things to you
00:10 < klafka> it does
00:10 < kanzure> hell, look at what it does to fenn: http://fennetic.net/sleep/
00:12 < klafka> wow
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02:46 < Utopiah> regarding gene finder there is also http://repeatfinder.sourceforge.net/ by the present ferrouswheel
02:46 < Utopiah> (but on motifs)
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03:13 < Utopiah> ferrouswheel: btw was MDiG used for botnets?
03:13 < Utopiah> (or any kind of viral software)
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06:10 < InkBlob> a
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06:40 < kanzure> hello InkBlob 
06:41 < kanzure> i am troubled by the appearance of links to lesswrong.com on news.ycombinator.com
06:41 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor
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06:57 < InkBlob> hullo
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07:19 < InkBlob> did you guys hear about artificial life made for the first time?
07:20 < InkBlob> how do you guys think this will affect transhumanism or reversing aging in general?
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07:35 < InkBlob> heybryan.org is very extensive
07:36 < InkBlob> great site. natural nuclear fission reactor? where would you use that?
07:36 < InkBlob> I am very interested in the field of age reversal in general.
07:39 < InkBlob> anything you guys can show me? 
07:42 < Utopiah> http://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/Health#LifeExtension
07:43 < Utopiah> my own little page on it
07:57 < klafka> is the iminst.org forum still good?
07:57 < klafka> http://imminst.org/ rather
07:57 < InkBlob> wow that's awesome
07:57 < InkBlob> thanks Utopiah I will take thorough look at it.
07:58 < InkBlob> what do you guys think of TA-65 therapy?
07:58 < InkBlob> think it'll help?
07:59 < InkBlob> wow Utopiah, this is like very thorough. maybe this page can add couple years to my life. who knows haha.
08:00 < Utopiah> InkBlob: if you put them to good use, Im glad ;)
08:06 < JayDugger> InkBlob--too expensive for me.
08:07 < JayDugger> Genescient had zero-cost human trials, but I wasn't yet old enough to qualify.
08:08 < parolang> Don't smoke.  Exercise regularly.  Eat your veggies :)
08:10 < JayDugger> Stop eating sugar.
08:10 < Utopiah> especially HFCS
08:11 < JayDugger> HFCS?
08:11 < Utopiah> high fructose corn sirup; cheap sugar in processed food
08:11 < JayDugger> Oh, yes. And that's in many foods. Esp, in N. America.
08:11 < parolang> Why is that worse than regular sugar though?
08:12 < JayDugger> I don't know that it is, just more common.
08:12 < Utopiah> there is a conf on that on my page, there is also ##nutrition
08:15 < Utopiah> hmm looks like it's not there; strange, 1min
08:16 < InkBlob> I have to make a great plan to make my parents live longer. they're in their 60's. I need them to survive long enough until science catches up and expand our lifespan by 2 fold. 
08:16 < Utopiah> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
08:16 < InkBlob> which i expect about 30 to 50 years. maybe as early as 15 or 20 years. 
08:16 < InkBlob> unnatural lifespan.
08:17 < InkBlob> how long do you guys think it'll take before people figure out how to expand our lifespan unnaturally ?
08:17 < JayDugger> Been done: vaccines and sanitation.
08:17 < parolang> InkBlob: I wouldn't make any wagers.
08:17 < JayDugger> Organ transplants.
08:17 < InkBlob> hmm yes, JayDugger, but i mean beyond our natural lifespan of say... 80 to 120 years.
08:18 < InkBlob> something like 200.
08:18 < InkBlob> that would take precise tuning of the body and repairing...
08:18 < JayDugger> BRB--cat freaks out.
08:19 < InkBlob> parolang, no choice. if you love your parents. :)
08:19 < InkBlob> i don't want to have to freeze them. 
08:19 < InkBlob> so the obvious choice of life extention in it's most natural form is...
08:19 < JayDugger> Ah, I think Aubrey De Grey has a video from the recent Singularity Summit, titled the "Methuselahirty"?
08:20 < InkBlob> good nutrition, exercise, and maybe some antitoxidants.
08:20 < InkBlob> what would be a higher step beyond this?
08:20 < JayDugger> He discusses what mortality curves look like with repeated SENS treatments. 
08:20 < JayDugger> Caloric restriction?
08:20 < InkBlob> oh yeah that too..
08:20 < klafka> yeah CR
08:20 < klafka> that's a bitch to do i think
08:20 < InkBlob> but that's more in the lines of nutrition...
08:21 < JayDugger> Well...
08:21 < klafka> i find it hard to do work when im' hungry
08:21 < parolang> Well...hold on.  You need to consider degrees of certainty that something will work.
08:21 < JayDugger> Good point.
08:21 < parolang> Nutrition, exercise, not smoking are relatively high.
08:21 < parolang> Beyond that, "the next stage", you get into very low certainty, mainly just early stages of research.
08:21 < klafka> idk man, reservatrol, it'll save your life!
08:22 < JayDugger> parolang: have you a ranked list?
08:22 < InkBlob> parolang: you are exactly right... low certainty, mainly just early stages...
08:22 < JayDugger> klafka: I like its effects, but it's not cheap either.
08:22 < parolang> klafka: Says the people who are selling reservatrol :)
08:22 < klafka> :P
08:22 < parolang> JayDugger: no
08:22 < InkBlob> so what amongst that earliest stages can we expect...
08:22 < klafka> i found i had really crazy manic phases
08:22 < klafka> when i took it
08:22 < InkBlob> to be most realistic, and should be preparing for?
08:23 < JayDugger> Well, cryonics--totally speculative, and IMO--a worthy last ditch attempt.
08:23 < InkBlob> TA-65 still falls under the first stages...
08:23 < InkBlob> second stage would be...
08:23 < InkBlob> well, manipulative technologies that cleans you from inside out?
08:23 < JayDugger> CR--that's had primate trials and an (ongoing?) human trial?
08:24 < InkBlob> like... not nano, but microbots?
08:24 < InkBlob> i dont know. lol
08:24 < JayDugger> I believe I'd hold off for a while on those.
08:24 < InkBlob> or drugs. i heard they're coming out with drugs that will make you live uptoo 100 years. 
08:24 < JayDugger> Freitas has nice designs, but I've seen no prototypes, much less advertisements for respirocytes. ;)
08:24 < parolang> InkBlob: They're always saying crap like that though.
08:25 < InkBlob> respirocytes, only if they came true right now. lol
08:25 < parolang> Appealing to the aging baby boomers who want to live forever.
08:25 < JayDugger> Heh...what's the last good thing the Boomers will do?
08:25 < InkBlob> yes your righ parolang
08:25 < InkBlob> right
08:25 < parolang> All they really want are eyeballs for advertising.
08:25 < JayDugger> Spend their kids' inheritances on first-generation anti-aging therapies.
08:26 < JayDugger> I.e., on finding out what won't work.
08:26 < InkBlob> so i guess we can't do much buy register for purely speculative cryonics?
08:26 < JayDugger> No offense meant to any boomers present.
08:26 < parolang> *Look!  This could make you live a hundred years longer!  Stay tuned after a word from our sponsors.*
08:26 < JayDugger> Stay as healthy as you can, as long as you can.
08:26 < InkBlob> hahaha yeah
08:26 < JayDugger> That's its own reward.
08:27 < parolang> JayDugger: I pretty much agree with you.
08:27 < InkBlob> maybe we'll have enough technology to cut our heads and put them on a new cloned body.
08:27 < JayDugger> There's also Cenegenics, but that's mostly a low-glycemic diet and hormone replacement therapy.
08:27 < InkBlob> lol
08:27 < JayDugger> And it costs US$800/month.
08:28 < InkBlob> what do you think the effects of synthetic life- cells- (you seen the news right? artificial life) on reversing aging?
08:28 < parolang> InkBlob: No relation.
08:28 < InkBlob> wonder if they can create different cells to repair damages of aging...
08:28 < JayDugger> Still, my doctor's on it--a perquisite for its practitioners, and he looks much younger than his actual age.
08:28 < InkBlob> that;s still too far away...
08:28 < parolang> InkBlob: And there's controversy as to whether that's actual synthetic life.
08:28 < JayDugger> Right.
08:29 < InkBlob> yeah pieces of DNA from different natural life right?
08:29 < JayDugger> Ask again after ExxonMobil and Dr. Venter have algae that excrete high-octane gasoline.
08:29 < InkBlob> i read it, but i think they can make it synthetic purely, at some point..
08:29 < JayDugger> That seems like low-hanging fruit.
08:30 < InkBlob> hmm... i guess the only thing to look forward to... in a shorter period of time is....
08:30 < JayDugger> A gym membership?
08:30 < InkBlob> darn it, i can't think of any lol.
08:30 < parolang> hah
08:30 < InkBlob> yup
08:30 < InkBlob> lol
08:30 < JayDugger> An attractive personal trainer?
08:30 < InkBlob> or maybe a one-shot research into amazon forest in search of fountain of youth from some plant.
08:31 < InkBlob> not gonna work....
08:31 < Utopiah> aka anything but IRC debatting :-#
08:31 < JayDugger> As consolation, there exist some good on-line nutrition trackers right now: fatsecret.com, Calorie Counter, Libra, etc.
08:31 < JayDugger> Utopiah: ouch. you said it, and the truth hurts. Back to work for me.
08:31 < InkBlob> how about... cloned organ replacement?
08:32 < InkBlob> that's possible... even now, if you had many many millions over right?
08:32 < InkBlob> theoretically, if you replace the aging organs in your body with fresher ones...
08:32 < InkBlob> you would live longer? lol
08:32 < klafka> maybe...
08:32 < klafka> unless cancer got you
08:33 < Utopiah> InkBlob: you've watch SF movies recently? 
08:33 < klafka> or alzheimers
08:33 < klafka> or parkinsons
08:33 < InkBlob> Utopiah. ALWAYS.
08:33 < Utopiah> because that sounds like Repoman
08:33 < InkBlob> what a age we live in aye?
08:34 < InkBlob> on the verge of discovering -longevity of human beings- 
08:34 < InkBlob> and yet, some of us will have to pass away early.
08:34 < Utopiah> http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/movie/cyberpunk-theme/repo-men/
08:34 < InkBlob> yeah i watched that lol
08:34 < InkBlob> repomen was about artificial organs though. not cloned.
08:35 < InkBlob> the island was about cloned organs.
08:35 < Utopiah> right; it ends better :-#
08:35 < parolang> InkBlob: Honestly, I don't see us on the verge of discovering longevity of human beings.
08:36 < InkBlob> you know what guys, i'm betting that somewhere out there, some corporate billionaire figured out a way of lenghtening the human lifespan unnaturally-
08:36 < InkBlob> albeit illegally in some way
08:36 < InkBlob> hahaha
08:36 < InkBlob> we just dont know
08:36 < parolang> InkBlob: A lot of what you hear is no different than what people have always said, people have always sought a drug, a magic potion, or a spell to increase their lifespan, life forever.
08:37 < InkBlob> parolang, i meant on the verge as in... 25 to 50 years from now
08:37 < InkBlob> i know parolang, but consider the advancement of technologies we have.
08:37 < parolang> InkBlob: Maybe 200 to 300 years from now.  Maybe never.
08:38 < InkBlob> we are about to manipulate individual cells- or affect them effectively at some point
08:38 < InkBlob> you could not have said that 100 years ago
08:38 < klafka> we can already manipulate individual cells
08:38 < Utopiah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth
08:38 < InkBlob> "effectively"
08:38 < klafka> we have been able to do that for like 20 years
08:38 < InkBlob> in a mass number
08:38 < klafka> umm...we've been able to do that.... transfection and transformation
08:39 < InkBlob> say like.... bunch of microscopic bots replacing damaged cells? maybe in 50 years yes why not
08:39 < InkBlob> or something rudimentary at least
08:39 < klafka> yes something like that is poss
08:39 < InkBlob> point is, nothing like in that precision was ever possible in human history.
08:39 < kanzure> O_O
08:39 < InkBlob> more like vaccination and injection......
08:39 < kanzure> what the hell are you smoking
08:39 < Utopiah> maybe, maybe not; in both situation I recommend you keep your own system working at its best independantly
08:40 < InkBlob> Utopiah = yes
08:40 < InkBlob> kanzure: you talking to me?
08:40 < kanzure> sort of
08:40 < kanzure> it sounds like you aren't aware of labs?
08:40 < kanzure> just wondering
08:40 < InkBlob> i don't know much. i'm just an imagineer :P
08:41 < kanzure> maybe i'll just read the backlog. one sec.
08:41 < klafka> InkBlob, like a disney imagineer
08:41 < klafka> ?
08:41 < kanzure> yeah the "artificial life for the first time" thing isn't really true. it's just amazing PR work
08:41 < klafka> y ep
08:41 < kanzure> InkBlob: re: anti-aging, http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/ might be informative
08:41 < kanzure> klafka: imminst.org is ok but don't trust any of their abilities to do experimental design (they are terrible at it) :)
08:42 < klafka> aah
08:42 < klafka> i haven't read the place in like years
08:42 < InkBlob> thanks i'll save it in my list. researching extensively. i Belive! i want to believe!
08:42 < klafka> i used to try and get diets from there
08:42 < klafka> but it alll seemed so ad-hoc
08:42 < kanzure> JayDugger: genescient thought you were too old? what's the age cut off? i could talk with greg benford for you..
08:42 < kanzure> InkBlob: i know a few people doing stem cell therapy experiments for longevity *right now* if you're interested
08:43 < kanzure> JayDugger: the methusaliraity or whatever always makes me think of "halarity" :)
08:43 < InkBlob> wow. i knew it. yeah like i knew people somewhere were doing something
08:43 < InkBlob> i'd appreciate it if you would give me some links kanzure. i am researching everyday.
08:44 < kanzure> i don't think we need many millions. maybe just a handful would be nice :/
08:45 < InkBlob> i would say safely, at least 100 million.
08:45 < kanzure> wtf
08:45 < kanzure> nah
08:45 < InkBlob> IDK lol
08:45 < kanzure> so i think everyone in here would be onboard with me doing an xprize team 
08:45 < klafka> for?
08:45 < kanzure> well that's the hard part ;)
08:46 < kanzure> i need an excuse to dump a few million dollars (ugh)
08:46 < parolang> Go to the moon! :)
08:46 < InkBlob> kanzure, can you show me some links on that stem cell therapy experiments for longevity? I would like to read about it. i think you are spot on.
08:46 < kanzure> ooh
08:46 < klafka> hmmm
08:46 < kanzure> InkBlob: actually there aren't that many links on it, but the designfiles.org longevity paperdump contains a lot of the information
08:46 < kanzure> especially in the .txt files
08:46 < InkBlob> oh great alright i will read it.
08:46 < kanzure> also, livly.org has john schlodernlodnfsacx or whatever (i can never get his name right) doing some stem cell related research IIRC
08:47 < parolang> InkBlob: Yeah...I think if you manage to finish that designfiles.org directory...then you'll be ready for more :D
08:47 < parolang> There's a *lot* of stuff in there.
08:47 < InkBlob> wow you guys know so much
08:47 < kanzure> OR we're just REALLY good at bullshitting
08:47 < InkBlob> saving every important liners in text. 
08:47 < parolang> I don't know anything.  I'm just paging through the directory :D
08:48 < klafka> behold, the secret to longevity! http://i.imgur.com/rvcvD.jpg
08:48 < InkBlob> well, either way, it's better than nothing kanzure. lol
08:48 < kanzure> JayDugger: have you used etacts, rapportive, silentale, curecrm, networkhippo, gist, or xobni?
08:48 < JayDugger> So etacts and rapportive--
08:48 < JayDugger> I've used those.
08:48 < kanzure> klafka is a certified genius
08:48 < JayDugger> They both work as advertised, but leave me kind of underwhelmed.
08:49 < JayDugger> Not as cool as you'd think.
08:49 < kanzure> i'm still moving forward (slowly) on 1kfriend.ly
08:49 < kanzure> etacts.com wasn't as cool as i thought it would be, yeah
08:49 < kanzure> curecrm.com has this nice feature for automated follow-up emails (not just telling you to send an email, but also actually sending it for you)
08:49 < InkBlob> klafka is a genius?
08:49 < JayDugger> Etacts has a similar feature that I've not used.
08:49 < kanzure> InkBlob: i was joking
08:49 < kanzure> InkBlob: look at the link klafka dropped
08:49 < kanzure> as the "secret" to longevity
08:49 < InkBlob> make us fountain of youth!
08:49 < klafka> although the fact remains kanzure  ;P
08:49 < kanzure> pfft
08:50 < kanzure> JayDugger: i really don't like their bulk email feature :/
08:50 < kanzure> i forget.. did i pitch 1kfriendly to you?
08:50 < JayDugger> That's clever.
08:50 < JayDugger> Yes, you did.
08:50 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt
08:50 < kanzure> basically now that i have tags for each person, i can write content for each tag
08:50 < kanzure> and then automatically compile personalized emails for each recipient
08:50 < InkBlob> hmm so far... the most plausible is TA-65 therapy, stem cell therapy, and... cryonics. ok
08:51 < InkBlob> lol
08:51 < kanzure> InkBlob: also brain-in-a-jar stuff
08:51 < JayDugger> Oh?
08:51 < JayDugger> Now that sounds useful.
08:51  * kanzure nods
08:51 < kanzure> i figured that i was writing too many emails
08:51 < kanzure> and when i did write a long email, i would have to send it to someone else too
08:52 < kanzure> but it was too personalized, or something
08:52 < kanzure> so i would end up spending even more time touching it up
08:52 < InkBlob> brain in a jar? can cells live outside of the body?
08:52 < kanzure> InkBlob: petri dishes?
08:52 < InkBlob> no, i mean like you said, in somekind of jars?
08:52 < JayDugger> Heh. A familiar problem. I had to write most letters twice when I served in the Navy. One for family, and one for friends.
08:52 < InkBlob> with liquid? i've seen animations about it.
08:52 < kanzure> JayDugger: exactly :)
08:52 < JayDugger> I tried xobni, but it costs money now and I don't use Outlook any more than I can help.
08:53 < kanzure> JayDugger: try this: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/1kfriend.ly.pdf
08:53 < kanzure> yeah xobni is about to be acquired by microsoft for a few million O_o
08:53 < JayDugger> Open outlook, scan inbox, delete, act-archive-hold, delete, repeat until inbox count=0.
08:53 < JayDugger> That should only take ten minutes or so--unless I have to write a report.
08:54 < kanzure> wait so do you actually use outlook?
08:54 < JayDugger> Only at work. No other option.
08:54 < InkBlob> are you guys somesort of internet marketing geniuses?
08:54 < JayDugger> Not me. 
08:54 < JayDugger> Just frustrated with email. :)
08:55 < kanzure> heh
08:55 < kanzure> and i just hate people
08:55 < kanzure> together, we're an awesome duo
08:55 < InkBlob> whats with mass emailing
08:55 < JayDugger> Rapportive has plug-ins, which is nice.
08:55 < kanzure> InkBlob: i have too many friends
08:55 < InkBlob> oh
08:55 < InkBlob> ok
08:55 < JayDugger> Say you go on vacation, and you want to write a letter home.
08:55 < kanzure> InkBlob: here's people that i talk with regularly, and when: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt
08:55 < kanzure> now imagine trying to keep up with all of them
08:55 < kanzure> and imagine trying to remember what you have told to each of them
08:55 < kanzure> it gets difficult
08:56 < JayDugger> Your friends might like to know how the liquor was, but your parents might not want to know you've been inside a bar.
08:56 < JayDugger> (This will vary with your exact situation.)
08:56 < JayDugger> Both might want to see the best picture from that day.
08:56 < InkBlob> wow you keep a list of people you speak to cool
08:56 < kanzure> not only that, but you might otherwise be spending many hours per day writing emails
08:56 < kanzure> *type type type*
08:56 < InkBlob> looks like somekind of programming language or software...
08:57 < JayDugger> If you have not two groups, but several intersecting groups, the problem worsens.
08:57 < InkBlob> result of software...
08:57 < kanzure> InkBlob: it's http://yaml.org/
08:57 < kanzure> JayDugger: people-who-know-about-transhumanism, people-who-know-programming, people-who-don't-like-uploading, uh..
08:57 < JayDugger> How do you write the right sort of letter to everyone, skipping no one, and not burdening people with undue or indiscreet details?
08:57 < JayDugger> Right.
08:58 < kanzure> so i should just sit down and right the basic demo
08:58 < kanzure> do a paragraph for maybe 5 different tags
08:58 < InkBlob> wow you folks are awesome bullshitter or really advanced or likely both. 
08:58 < kanzure> and then show a bunch of different people with an assortment of tags
08:58 < InkBlob> i like it!
08:58 < kanzure> sadly i think this might be best done in a browser with javascript, actually
08:58 < JayDugger> When I was in the military: siblings, Mom, Dad, friends from high school, military buddies, girlfriend, etc.
08:58 < kanzure> i like how mom/dad is a separate category
08:58 < kanzure> ha ha
08:58 < kanzure> or maybe boo hoo :(
08:58 < JayDugger> Oh, they're divorced.
08:59 < kanzure> how'd you learn about rapportive?
08:59 < JayDugger> My Dad had worked in Thailand, and what he knew about the country wasn't what I planned on repeating to my mother.
08:59 < JayDugger> Twitter, I think.
08:59 < kanzure> JayDugger: i'm inviting you into a mailing list for 1kfriend.ly
08:59 < klafka> LOL
08:59 < kanzure> i'm trying to keep it relatively closed so that if it does become a business i'm ok
08:59 < kanzure> closed in the sense that not everyone can view the archives
08:59 < JayDugger> Duly noted.
09:00 < kanzure> anyone else in here is welcome too
09:00 < kanzure> but jay seems to already be using these products anyway
09:01 < klafka> link dead kanzure 
09:01 < kanzure> which link?
09:01 < klafka> 1kfriend.ly
09:01 < kanzure> yeah i haven't actually bought it yet
09:01 < kanzure> $70/year
09:01 < InkBlob> i've got quite a few reading to do. what a new world i've found on IRC wow. thanks, kanzure, you are the host of heybryan.org right?
09:01 < klafka> wow expensive
09:01 < kanzure> but i do have a prototype web server
09:01 < kanzure> InkBlob: yeah i'm heybryan.org
09:01 < klafka> i just bought some domains yesterday
09:02 < kanzure> i bought say.io a few days ago
09:02 < kanzure> and promisepyramid.com for some weird pyramid scheme idea
09:02 < InkBlob> ok awesome
09:02 < klafka> lol
09:02 < kanzure> it's a pyramid scheme of promises :x
09:02 < kanzure> i'll do x if you get 2 friends to do y
09:02 < JayDugger> Rapportive--no, that was readwriteweb.
09:02 < kanzure> and then each person does the same thing when they agree
09:02 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://groups.google.com/group/1kfriendly
09:03 < kanzure> the mailing list was created a few months ago, but i haven't been sending much stuff that way
09:03 < JayDugger> Ah, here we go;;
09:03 < JayDugger> Rapportive calls its plugins "Raplets." 
09:03 < JayDugger> http://rapportive.com/raplets
09:04 < kanzure> i'm thinking a first prototype of 1kfriend.ly would just be a gmail.com oauth plugin thing
09:04 < kanzure> that pastes content into your email for you, just for starters
09:04 < kanzure> and then in the future it might do automated behind the scene mailing
09:05 < kanzure> kind of like "canned responses"
09:05 < JayDugger> I use a Raplet that shows what political contributions a contact has made, and whether or not they're a registered lobbyist. (US Only, public data).
09:05 < kanzure> huh
09:05 < kanzure> do you uh
09:05 < JayDugger> I'd rather have one that searched Google Groups.
09:05 < kanzure> talk with a lot of lobbyists?
09:05 < JayDugger> http://sunlightlabs.com/blog/2010/public-data-your-email/?c=7789
09:05 < JayDugger> Not really.
09:05 < kanzure> so that doesn't really come in handy then, does it
09:05 < JayDugger> It just was the first Raplet I learned about.
09:05 < JayDugger> No, not really.
09:06 < kanzure> heh
09:06 < klafka> lol
09:06 < klafka> but you never know!
09:06 < klafka> it may someday
09:06 < JayDugger> By the time I've a contact, I can usually guess his or her political leanings.
09:06 < kanzure> my political space isn't a 2D grid but instead a topology manifold with some weird asymptotes that you have to watch out for
09:06 < kanzure> s/political space/political spectrum/
09:06 < JayDugger> Right--if the FAA inspector at work contributes to Party X, I remember to avoid politics with double intensity.
09:07 < kanzure> yeah you got to watch out for Party X, for sure
09:07 < JayDugger> I shut up because he cares. :)
09:07 < parolang> Party X is evil :)
09:07 < kanzure> the X is a dead give-away
09:08 < JayDugger> Only our detractors say so. The X symbolizes the common ground of our union, the mutual interests best served by us, your public servants.
09:08 < JayDugger> Can Party Y, with their non-intersecting logo, say that?
09:08 < kanzure> ycombinator party?
09:08 < JayDugger> And Party Z, well--you're just throwing away your vote.
09:09 < JayDugger> I imagine ycombinator throws good parties, but I don't know.
09:09 < parolang> The zipper party :)
09:09 < JayDugger> Hmm...there might be more than I first saw, yes.
09:09 < JayDugger> Anyhow, good night, everyone. The sun is up, I better go to sleep before it's too late.
09:09 < kanzure> good night
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09:55 < Utopiah> (Medicine 2.0: Social Networking, Collaboration, Participation, Apomediation, and Openness | Eysenbach | Journal of Medical Internet Research http://www.jmir.org/2008/3/e22/ Gunther Eysenbach 2008
10:01 < InkBlob> awesome. i wonder if i can buy medical equipments through these networks should i have the money
10:02 < InkBlob> or does a person need a medical license for a ct scanner?
10:02 < Utopiah> (rather poor conlcusion, auto-promo of the journal and its conf)
10:02 < Utopiah> InkBlob: eh... you think you can do better than an MD with a scanner?
10:03 < Utopiah> somebody is watching DrHouse a little bit too much IMHO ;)
10:03 < InkBlob> no, i think i can do better at playing around with the device and doing mischievious things.
10:04 < InkBlob> it prolly costs 500k
10:05 < InkBlob> stem cell therapy wow i didn't know about that
10:05 < InkBlob> it sounds plausible
10:05 < InkBlob> i want to know more and more
10:07 < Utopiah> you didn't know about stem cell?
10:09 < InkBlob> i knew about it but not therapies
10:10 < Utopiah> maybe you could start a price/efficiency/risk table 
10:14 < InkBlob> whats that? organization list?
10:15 < InkBlob> kanzure please give me some referrels, you sounded like you knew them personally.
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11:24 < InkBlob> i just bought a gtx 480 graphic card~
11:29 < klafka> nice
11:34 < InkBlob> maybe i can use it on cad...
11:35 < InkBlob> is there such thing as a circuit board scanner ?
11:44 < InkBlob> what do you know, there is..
11:45 < InkBlob> i am watching ace ventura pet detective.
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12:17 < kanzure> InkBlob: i do know them personally but i'm hesitant to just blatantly drop names
12:17 < kanzure> like uh.. why do you want to know
12:17 < kanzure> some of them are in here, so if you just talk a lot, i'm sure they will pipe up
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12:56 < InkBlob> oh i just wanted to see their website and the processes they're using, in hopes of understanding it. is all...
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13:29 < kanzure> looks like joseph has finally set a date
13:29 < kanzure> http://opensciencesummit.com/
13:29 < kanzure> july 29-31
13:29 < kanzure> fuck
13:29 < kanzure> oh wait, no that works
13:30 < klafka> not a very big conference eh
13:31 < klafka> this seems very cool, but can't afford it :(
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14:00 < kanzure> klafka: if you want i could ask the organizer to help you out on the fees
14:02 < klafka> mm <_< maybe, the more troubling issue is the plane flight since that's like 300 bucks
14:19 < kanzure> QuantumG: thanks for coming through for me on the DLL injection stuff :)
14:19 < QuantumG> np
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15:28 < kanzure> yet another one :(
15:28 < kanzure> http://tinyurl.com/StructorySurvey
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15:56 < kanzure> hmm http://www.brainpreservation.org/documents/proposalforbrainpreservationtechnologyprize.pdf
16:09 < QuantumG> so long as reanimation remains the problem for the future it'll never happen.. cause it'll always be the future
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17:10 < DTrejo> hey kanzure, david.daniel.trejo@gmail.com
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18:05 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
18:05 < kanzure> does home depot do midnight runs?
18:05 < JayDugger> Do they deliver, or do they stay open late?
18:05 < kanzure> open late
18:05 < JayDugger> I think they close at 2100.
18:05 < kanzure> blah
18:05 < JayDugger> Perhaps 2200.
18:05 < kanzure> useless!
18:06 < JayDugger> Yeah...try Wal-mart. They usually stay open late.
18:06 < kanzure> "yes i'd like 3200 sq ft of acrylic"
18:06 < JayDugger> Oh...
18:06 < kanzure> "uhh this is wal-mart"
18:06  * kanzure is up to something
18:06 < JayDugger> Home Depot might not stock that much.
18:07 < kanzure> we'll see.
18:07 < JayDugger> Have you transportation enough for all that?
18:07 < kanzure> i can arrange it
18:07 < kanzure> just.. not within an hour ;)
18:07 < JayDugger> That seems like a second constraint.
18:08 < kanzure> it's a fake constraint, i don't have to do it tonight really
18:08 < JayDugger> Ah. Then I'll get back to my coffee.
18:09  * kanzure just updated http://designfiles.org/~bryan/music/trance and http://designfiles.org/~bryan/music/eurodance.txt
18:10 < JayDugger> How did you generate those lsits?
18:10 < kanzure> i listen to internet radio and write down stuff i really like
18:10 < JayDugger> Simple and effective.
18:11 < kanzure> last.fm does scrobblizing for me though, but it doesn't accept radio stuff :/
18:12 < JayDugger> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2003
18:12 < JayDugger> ESR praises Pandora by listing bands he's (re)discovered.
18:12 < kanzure> hahah esr listens to death metal
18:14 < kanzure> that amuses me.
18:15 < JayDugger> Yeah, and prog-rock, and jazz-fusion.
18:15 < JayDugger> And Ozric Tentacles.
18:20 < JayDugger> What do you use for a music player under linux?
18:20 < JayDugger> (Yes, yes--$0.02 for the off-topic jar.)
18:23 < kanzure> mplayer and xmms
18:23 < JayDugger> Really?
18:23 < kanzure> xmms 1.2.10
18:26 < JayDugger> Yes, it has the great advantage of working. I liked the Amarok 1.4, but haven't found anything to replace it.
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20:29 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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21:02 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/c6kd6/i_am_one_of_the_creators_of_the_first_synthetic/
21:07 < kanzure> http://www.rhok.org/ random hacks of kindness "hacking for humanity"
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21:07 < kanzure> hi Arthur 
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21:07 < Arthur> whats up brian
21:07 < Arthur> wait
21:07 < Arthur> bryan*
21:08 < Arthur> :P
21:08 < kanzure> this is kind of lame: http://www.rhok.org/problem-definitions/full-list/
21:08 < kanzure> not much
21:08 < kanzure> except maybe this one: http://www.rhok.org/problem-definitions/full-list/credibility-of-the-human-sensor/
21:09 < kanzure> hahah
21:09 < kanzure> transhackerism
21:09 < genehacker> what are you transitioning to ?
21:10 < kanzure> transhacker.org is available
21:11 < Arthur> buy it
21:11 -!- Arthur is now known as thur
21:11 < genehacker> dowmain squat it!
21:11 < kanzure> i recently bought say.io and promisepyramid.com
21:11 < genehacker> promise pyramid?
21:11 < thur> you gotta build a portfolio
21:11 < kanzure> yeah it's a pyramid scheme for microdecisions
21:12 < kanzure> it's basically a startup completely about excitement
21:12 < genehacker> how much do domains costs?
21:12 < fenn> transbryanism
21:12 < kanzure> the idea is that each person gets 10 more people excited
21:12 < thur> $10
21:12 < kanzure> i don't know what the exit strategy is, but i'm super excited about it
21:12 < kanzure> yeah about $10
21:13 < kanzure> ferric: meet fenn
21:13 < kanzure> fenn: meet ferric
21:13 < genehacker> ferric as in chloride?
21:13 < fenn> ferric: your name also begins with fe
21:14 < fenn> now we must fight to the death
21:14 < kanzure> and then a double consonant
21:14 < kanzure> ah you know the rules of irc well
21:14 < kanzure> you'll die when you learn he has ferretic.net
21:14 < fenn> hah
21:15 < kanzure> so uh
21:15 < kanzure> what is my presentation at h+ summit going to be about
21:15 < kanzure> something about diy transhuman tech
21:15 < QuantumG> not getting any h+ in the last year?
21:16 < kanzure> http://hplussummit.com/bishop.html
21:16 < genehacker> propose a home dna synthesizer
21:16 < kanzure> propose?
21:16  * fenn mumbles something about actually doing some research
21:16 < kanzure> WHAT!@
21:16 < kanzure> actual work?!
21:17 < genehacker> yeah....
21:17 < QuantumG> can't you outsource that?
21:17 < fenn> you can, actually
21:17 < genehacker> yeah you can
21:17 < kanzure> i've been trying to make you guys do it
21:17 < kanzure> god damn it
21:17 < kanzure> it's not working
21:17 < genehacker> what research?
21:17 < ferric> o hai.
21:17 < ferric> greets, fenn
21:18 < kanzure> ferric: fenn might be more crazy than i am. http://fennetic.net/sleep/
21:18 < ferric> i don't have ferretic.net - i do have ferric.net
21:18 < genehacker> IRC FIGHT!
21:18 < kanzure> ew dreamhost
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21:19 < ferric> it's cheap and stuff :-)
21:19 < ferric> genehacker: no, ferric as in iron in the +3 oxidation state :-)
21:20 < ferric> chloride would make a compound not an isotop
21:20 < genehacker> well fuck windows I have to go burn a boot disk
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21:21 < kanzure> why does he have to log off to burn a disc?
21:21 < ferric> kanzure: terry built a graph of his introductions: http://jon.es/other/introductions.png
21:21 < QuantumG> use a usb
21:21 < kanzure> ferric: oh shit :)
21:22 < ferric> but he is super connected now.
21:22 < QuantumG> lot of names with no links
21:22 < QuantumG> must not remember who introduced him
21:22 < fenn> i saw mark carranza's associative database thingy at maker faire, it's pretty cool
21:23 < kanzure> i wonder what "super connected" means
21:23 < kanzure> and whether or not i have a saturated graph or not
21:23 < fenn> i wish people would warn me before linking to an 11000 pixel png
21:23 < kanzure> WARNING WARNING
21:24 < kanzure> ferric: so, i log introductions data too
21:24 < kanzure> but if i was to generate a graph like that
21:24 < kanzure> it would be pretty lame
21:24 < kanzure> a lot of the people that i get introduced to, don't introduce me to further people
21:26 < kanzure> oh he was introduced to Tim O'Reilly?
21:26 < kanzure> isn't that cheating
21:26 < kanzure> he was introduced to Tim O'Reilly by Esther Dyson?
21:26 < kanzure> definitely cheating
21:28 < kanzure> hm actually i have 415 "via: " lines (introductions) in my log
21:28 < kanzure> is that a lot?
21:28 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/via_lines.txt
21:37 < fenn> that introductions thing is cool, i should start doing that
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