--- Day changed Thu May 27 2010 00:13 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-233-74.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:12 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-233-74.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:12 -!- Incarnation [~lorem@66.51.248.231] has quit [] 01:19 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:37 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:37 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:48 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-233-74.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:55 -!- shepazu [~schepers@62-50-199-254.client.stsn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:03 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:18 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-15-26.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:36 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:20 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41 -!- shepazu [~schepers@83.101.33.210] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:58 -!- neobii_ [~chatzilla@75-30-249-187.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:09 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:10 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:15 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:15 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:33 < flamt> i'd love to write the copy for focusfusion.org 04:34 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:35 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:36 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.189.39] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:38 -!- shepazu [~schepers@83.101.33.210] has quit [Quit: shepazu] 04:53 -!- InkBlob [~dfasgaf@S01060016b6ee2b72.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:28 -!- shepazu [~schepers@83.101.33.210] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:39 < Utopiah> the actual father of robotics https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Giovanni_Alfonso_Borelli ? 05:52 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:54 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:01 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:02 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:10 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:12 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:16 -!- InkBlob [~dfasgaf@S01060016b6ee2b72.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 06:17 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-233-74.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:17 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 06:18 < Utopiah> morning JayDugger 06:19 < Utopiah> by any chance , do you know a book on the history of the research laboratory so not necessarly focusing on the scientific method only but also through its tool, the social organisation, etc 06:19 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:19 < JayDugger> I only remember reading a history of one of the national labs, Lawrence, I think. It was a bit self-serving--look at all these cool things we built. 06:20 < JayDugger> let me do some looking... 06:20 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:21 < Utopiah> I doubt Lawrence lab was founded hundreds of years ago and spawn accross domains though so I guess it would lack perspective 06:25 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:26 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:32 < kanzure> blah :/ why did i give them sudo powers 06:33 < flamt> sudo is ruinous 06:33 < flamt> i run as root 06:39 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:39 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:44 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- shepazu [~schepers@83.101.33.210] has quit [Quit: shepazu] 07:00 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:05 < JayDugger> As I tell my employer, "If I could predict the future with such accuracy as that, do you think I'd work here--or at all?" 07:16 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:22 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-15-26.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:48 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:56 < klafka> JayDugger, to be fair, they did built lots of cool things 07:58 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-233-74.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:00 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:00 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:01 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:05 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:06 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:13 < JayDugger> Yes, they did. And their PR department did a good job listing them. :) 08:16 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-233-74.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:16 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:17 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:25 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:26 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:31 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:32 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:36 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:38 -!- shepazu [~schepers@83.101.33.210] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:15 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.189.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29 -!- shepazu [~schepers@83.101.33.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:35 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:38 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:41 -!- genehacker2 [~notanemai@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:02 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 10:39 -!- mage2 is now known as mage2_hulk 10:43 -!- mage2_hulk is now known as mage2 11:15 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:23 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58 -!- lepton [~lepton@132.sub-97-49-142.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:08 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-124-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:10 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-71-59-165-136.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:17 -!- shepazu [~schepers@62-50-199-254.client.stsn.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:19 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-124-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:21 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-124-17.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:57 -!- genehacker2 [~notanemai@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16 < lepton> It's unfortunate that the acronym SKDB is also used for "Serial Killer Database" 15:23 -!- thesnark [enderkillb@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- splicer [~foo@h90n3c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:05 -!- splicer [~foo@h90n3c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [] 16:17 -!- thesnark [enderkillb@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: thesnark has no reason] 16:21 -!- Noahj [~noah@24.38.189.39] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:47 -!- lepton [~lepton@132.sub-97-49-142.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:56 -!- lepton [~lepton@46.sub-75-231-170.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:06 -!- lepton [~lepton@46.sub-75-231-170.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:07 -!- lepton [~lepton@171.sub-75-220-90.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:11 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:42 < kanzure> http://blog.makerbot.com/2010/05/26/looking-for-an-ee-wizard/ 17:43 < kanzure> http://twitter.com/fakejoshuabaer 17:43 -!- lepton [~lepton@171.sub-75-220-90.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:43 < kanzure> compare: http://twitter.com/joshuabaer 17:43 < kanzure> he's also #2 on http://tweetingtoohard.com/top 17:43 < kanzure> anyway, he escorted me out of the sushi bar tonight 17:43 -!- lepton [~lepton@82.sub-75-220-96.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:48 -!- lepton [~lepton@82.sub-75-220-96.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:58 < fenn> well at least makerbot admits they don't know what they're doing wrt electronics 18:02 < neobii_> haha 18:02 < neobii_> next generation of script kiddies? 18:21 < fenn> business as usual 18:23 < genehacker> don't they have zach? 18:24 < genehacker> who's responsible for making reprap electronics obsolete every couple of months or so 18:24 < fenn> zach 18:24 < fenn> i think he's distracted with web stuff 18:26 < JayDugger> fenn: how much time have you spent on getting your RepRap working? 18:28 < genehacker> well he is now, but when he works... 18:29 -!- fenn [fenn@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:29 < JayDugger> :) Must have gone to put in more time on his RepRap. 18:43 -!- fenn [fenn@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:44 < fenn> JayDugger: about 2 months 18:44 < fenn> from scratch 18:44 < JayDugger> "from scratch," "two months": from sitting down to list parts, through ordering and arrival, to the first printed part? 18:45 < fenn> started working on it around april 1 18:46 < fenn> hasn't printed its first part yet 18:46 < JayDugger> How many hours of time have you spent on it? 18:46 < fenn> uh, do you really want to know or just curious 18:46 < JayDugger> I ask to help make my decision between a RepRap and a MakerBot. 18:46 < fenn> get a techzone lasercut mendel 18:46 < JayDugger> IIRC, those cost more. 18:47 < fenn> best of both worlds 18:47 < JayDugger> What do I get for it that a MakerBot doesn't provide? 18:47 < fenn> get it cut at ponoko or something if you dont like the price 18:47 < fenn> how could it possibly cost more than $800? 18:47 < fenn> ffs 18:47 < JayDugger> If the euro keeps declining, then it might cost less. 18:47 < fenn> it's a bucket of bolts 18:47 < fenn> techzone is based out of iowa or something like that 18:48 < JayDugger> Oh? My mistake. I thought of some other company. 18:49 < JayDugger> http://reprapsource.com/en/shop/shapercube 18:50 < JayDugger> That's who I thought you meant. EUR822.69, sans S&H, sans VAT. 18:51 < fenn> techzone is $842 + $46 shipping http://cgi.ebay.com/Complete-Laser-Cut-RepRap-Mendel-Kit_W0QQitemZ300431023438QQihZ020QQcategoryZ294QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 18:52 < fenn> his z/x axis kinda sucks though, i would make replacement parts asap 18:54 < fenn> if you're willing to wait a few months you can beta test my mini mendel 18:55 < kanzure> fenn: i'm thinking of buying this: 18:55 < kanzure> http://cgi.ebay.com/Unimate-PUMA500-Robot-Arm-JR3-67M25A-U560-hand-/290373583741?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item439b9d437d 18:55 < kanzure> except at a cheaper price 18:55 < kanzure> what do you think? 18:56 < klafka> is the pound dropping? 18:56 < fenn> hope it's a lot cheaper, and better come with control cabinet and working software. a bare robot arm is really a boat anchor 18:56 < fenn> what would you do with it anyway? 18:56 < fenn> finish the damn mechmate, that's actually useful 19:01 < JayDugger> klafka, I think the EUR and the US$ head for a more even exchange rate, but IANAT. 19:02 < JayDugger> What use do you have for a mechanical arm, kanzure? 19:03 < klafka> JayDugger, but i have to buy a like 300 pound item 19:04 < klafka> so i want the pound to fall relative to the dollar 19:04 < JayDugger> Good luck. 19:20 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:25 < kanzure> fenn: $650 19:27 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:36 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:46 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:49 < JayDugger> Willow Garage Shows Off PR2 Robot 19:49 < JayDugger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv0ovUb_LVs 19:50 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 20:14 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 20:14 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:16 -!- lepton [~lepton@174-29-99-95.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:42 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:40 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:17 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:33 -!- splicer [~foo@92.39.2.18] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:07 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:10 -!- Incarnation [~lorem@66.51.249.123] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:22 -!- |NCY [~lorem@66.51.249.123] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:23 -!- shepazu [~schepers@62-50-199-254.client.stsn.net] has quit [Quit: shepazu] 23:26 -!- Incarnation [~lorem@66.51.249.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:39 -!- |NCY [~lorem@66.51.249.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:43 < fenn> woot, trader joes really came through with the dumpsterage tonight 23:44 < fenn> i might go back for seconds 23:50 < kanzure> wtf why does google get a t-rex? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jowens/2330818928/ 23:50 < kanzure> wah i want a t-rex 23:53 < splicer> I wonder if it was a preator or a scavenger 23:53 < splicer> predator 23:53 < fenn> there are many cooler things in that building than a t-rex 23:55 < fenn> this is the only thing they would let us take pictures of: http://fennetic.net/irc/google_spaceship_one.jpg 23:55 < fenn> i could have taken pics when i snuck back inside later 23:56 < fenn> oh well 23:57 < fenn> i really liked the google earth cave 23:57 < fenn> imagine a sphere made out of lcd panels with a 6DOF joystick in the middle 23:58 < fenn> you stand inside this thing, when you rotate the joystick it rotates the view, translate the joystick it translates the view, up/down controls altitude like you'd expect 23:58 < fenn> i started out somewhere in kazakhstan and zoomed my way to the exact building we were in