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00:05 < splicer> Is this legitimate? opensciencesummit.com
00:09 < jrayhawk> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host I guess the one big advantage I am expecting from the next Maemo phone is not going to be an advantage anymore soon?
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04:33 < splicer> does anyone know if meredith patterson hangs out on freenode nowadays and if so what her nick is?
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06:57 < fenn> http://youtube.com/watch?v=6LOednv-nQ4
06:58 < fenn> nanonar
06:58 < fenn> i havent seen mlp in a year
06:58 < splicer> fenn: thanks
06:59 < fenn> splicer: joseph jackson's working very hard on open science summit, in what sense do you mean "legitimate"
07:02 < fenn> data's a fool for not having backups
07:02 < fenn> a good character never manages to stay dead for long anyway
07:04 < fenn> i guess i'll share tonight's work with the channel, here's a list of neato molecular biology movies, may not all work: http://fennetic.net/irc/molecularmovies.urls
07:05 < fenn> wget is going bonkers
07:07 < splicer> fenn: yeah, I realized that later. I was just surprised over something I saw there but it makes perfect sense now.
07:07 < splicer> fenn: thanks
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07:37 < kanzure> splicer: yeah opensciencesummit.com is legit
07:37 < kanzure> splicer: meredith does not hang out any more
07:43 < kanzure> fenn: glad to see you taking me up on the .url/.urls/url.txt standard :D
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07:55 < InkBlob> i'm learning a lot from the link above thaaangks.
07:56 < InkBlob> in particular, biopunk.org is enlightening.
07:58 < InkBlob> and diybio
08:05 < InkBlob> how old is everyone by the way, i'm 20, part french and japanese. 
08:06 < InkBlob> i graphic-design pretty much anything. posters, websites, portfolios, book covers...
08:18 < kanzure> i'm 20 
08:22 < InkBlob> hey, same age. :)
08:22 < kanzure> i'm getting old
08:22 < InkBlob> kewl
08:23 < kanzure> get your olds off of me
08:23 < InkBlob> me too
08:23 < kanzure> maybe it's contagious
08:23 < InkBlob> umm how do i do that
08:23 < kanzure> InkBlob: translation error
08:23 < InkBlob> anyways
08:23 < kanzure> nevermind
08:23 < InkBlob> do you have any links on improving mental capacity?
08:23 < InkBlob> in learning
08:24 < InkBlob> like brain enhancement
08:24 < InkBlob> with somekind of technology.
08:24 < kanzure> http://supermemo.com/
08:24 < kanzure> i don't know what "mental cpaacity" means
08:25 < InkBlob> i'm not too sure what i'm talking about neither. but i think i'm saying something that increases memory, and intelligence like IQ
08:25 < InkBlob> like a hat you put on your head and helps you think
08:25 < InkBlob> or something.
08:25 < InkBlob> maybe i'll just make a tin-foil hat
08:26 < InkBlob> supermemo seems like a software, but it will sure to help. thangks.
08:27 < Utopiah> http://www.mnemosyne-proj.org/
08:27 < Utopiah> (yet IMHO memorization is not the scalable way to go)
08:30 < InkBlob> nice
08:39 < kanzure> huh the wikipedia article on 'intelligence' links to 'transhumanism'
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08:41 < InkBlob> the end is nigh.
08:41 < splicer> oki
08:41 < InkBlob> singularity is to begin. 
08:42 < splicer> yeah, I can smell it
08:43 < splicer> smells like cult and old spice
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08:56 < kanzure> fenn: have you had a chance to look at the email from oleg?
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09:36 < kanzure> more machine porn
09:36 < kanzure> http://www.glacern.com/videolounge
09:36 < kanzure> elevenarms recommends the continuous production video
09:36 < kanzure> http://www.glacern.com/index.php?page=video_index&video=1&video_name=production_turning
09:37 < kanzure> it's all HD too
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10:08 < kanzure> hi klafka, JayDugger 
10:08 < klafka> yo
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12:29 < Utopiah> pwned Financial meltdown imperils [ITER fusion] reactor http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100528/full/465532a.html
12:38 < genehacker> that's bad
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13:00 < Utopiah> :\
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14:14 < kanzure> elevenarms: do you have a new list of things to buy from mesanet.com?
14:14 < elevenarms> indeed... 
14:14 < elevenarms> sending it over now
14:15 < elevenarms> still game to laser some things?
14:17 < kanzure> yes
14:17 < elevenarms> list ahoy
14:18 < kanzure> should i send this over to them, or did you order it?
14:19 < elevenarms> send it over to them...
14:19 < elevenarms> go ahed and call them with payment info aswell
14:20 < kanzure> the original list was: 5i20, 7i37T, 7i30, 7i40 and the new one is 3x 7i40H, 1x 5i20, 1x 7i37A, and some connectors/cables
14:20 < elevenarms> correct
14:20 < elevenarms> the 7i30 can't support the 48v motors
14:21 < kanzure> i see
14:21 < elevenarms> so we're running 3 7i40 high voltage
14:21 < elevenarms> each only uses half of the pins on the 50pin cable
14:21 < elevenarms> they're going to make us a special cable
14:23 < kanzure> cool
14:23 < kanzure> okay, i sent it
14:24 < elevenarms> gravy
14:25 < kanzure> when do you want to do some lasering
14:25 < kanzure> i have something from 7pm to 9:30pm that i have to do over the net
14:26 < elevenarms> how about now?
14:27 < kanzure> okay. give me 10min to get over to the shop
14:27 < kanzure> w
14:27 < kanzure> crap, this isn't vim
14:27 < elevenarms> see you in 15
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16:02 < kanzure> elevenarms: that was a lot of fail
16:18 < kanzure> tentative scipy 2010 schedule: 
16:18 < kanzure> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddwstd5r_19hrzrvhft&utm_source=SciPy2010&utm_campaign=cab4909bc3-SciPy_2010_Authors&utm_medium=email
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16:49 < kanzure> hello elevenarms 
16:49 < elevenarms> hola
16:49 < kanzure> looks like a storm is brewing
16:49 < elevenarms> indeed it does
16:52 < elevenarms> when is fenn awake?
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18:24 < fenn> New Meetup Group: Laboratory Managers of the SF Bay Area
18:24 < fenn> elevenarms: it's morning in fennville
18:24 < elevenarms> good to know
18:25 < elevenarms> what's your recommendation for open source stepper drivers?
18:25 < elevenarms> looking to go super cheap and bipolar
18:25 < genehacker> what are you doing with steppers
18:26 < elevenarms> hektor clone
18:26 < kanzure> fennville: the latest destination of the asshole express
18:26 < kanzure> i tried to make it funny
18:26 < kanzure> but it didn't work
18:28 < fenn> 7I40L is rated at 10A 40 VDC per axis while the 7I40H is rated at 7A 80 VDC per axis.
18:28 < fenn> so you should get the 7I40H
18:28 < fenn> the 50 pin cables are just scsi connectors
18:28 < elevenarms> for the puma?
18:28 < fenn> yeah
18:29 < fenn> i havent finished reading backlog
18:29 < elevenarms> oh... yeah that's what we ordered
18:29 < elevenarms> 3 of them
18:29 < fenn> ok then i dont know what you want me to answer
18:29 < elevenarms> i talked to peter today
18:29 < elevenarms> you can run 2 7i40 on one cable
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18:30 < elevenarms> my req for a stepper driver is unrelated
18:30 < elevenarms> just looking for something cheap
18:30 < elevenarms> how do you feel about the reprap ones?
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18:31 < kanzure> you missed nothing
18:32 < fenn> hum i probably would have just run the motors at lower voltage, but whatever
18:33 < elevenarms> you can never have enough speed
18:33 < elevenarms> i think kanzure agrees
18:33 < fenn> elevenarms: the pololu stepper drivers are super cheap and quiet, but hard to get a heatsink on and only good for tiny motors
18:33 < elevenarms> up to nema 24?
18:33 < elevenarms> or really tiny?
18:33 < fenn> would probably run nema 23
18:34 < kanzure> elevenarms: you should glue some suction cups on the back of the servo mounts for the hektor clone
18:34 < fenn> i think they're like 2.5A
18:34 < kanzure> er, stepper mounts
18:34 < fenn> oh you're doing hektor? should work fine
18:34 < elevenarms> yea...
18:34 < elevenarms> ~$12 each
18:34 < elevenarms> good price
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18:34 < fenn> does that have a counterweight?
18:35 < elevenarms> no... i was thinking of adding a third leg
18:35 < elevenarms> would need to write some code to figure the tension 
18:37 < fenn> i meant counterweight over the top steppers, so they don't have to work to keep it held up
18:37 < kanzure> elevenarms: if you have the laptop with the parallel port (or a usb-parallel cable) the drivers are here:
18:38 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/uls25ps/
18:38 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/uls25ps/ulsxpdriver.zip
18:38 < elevenarms> awesome.
18:38 < fenn> you could tension the platform with a third leg too, just use some pulleys so you dont get a pendulum effect going on
18:38 < fenn> i could draw a diagram if that's not self explanatory
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18:38 < elevenarms> diagram would be awesome
18:39 < kanzure> heh fenn's diagram: "IT'S A PENDULUM"
18:39 < fenn> prepare for kolourpaint awfulness
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18:41 < elevenarms> im ready
18:44 < fenn> oops
18:44 < fenn> i seem to have filled up davinci
18:46 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/hektor_counterweight.png
18:47 < fenn> you're limited to 9.8m/s^2 with this arrangement
18:47 < fenn> but that should be enough i think
18:48 < fenn> also you could do a capstan drive
18:50 < elevenarms> hmm
18:52 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/hektor_capstan.png
18:52 < fenn> if you're super picky about keeping constant tension on the lines you can replace the springs with regulated pneumatic cylinders
18:53 < elevenarms> what no flywheel?
18:53 < fenn> funding ran out for the fusion reactor...
18:53 < elevenarms> couldn't get it cold enough?
18:54 < fenn> too many rats in the vacuum lines
18:54 < elevenarms> i see
18:54 < fenn> they nest in the radiation shielding you see
18:54 < fenn> and then turn into mutant zombie atomic rats
18:55 < elevenarms> playing god will only get you in trouble fenn
18:56 < fenn> i wonder if eye tracking is good enough to discern what depth you're focusing at
18:56 < fenn> through parallad
18:56 < fenn> x
18:57 < fenn> i wonder if any tiny camera modules can even focus at different depths
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19:04 < kanzure> fenn: where do we uh.. clean up stuff
19:05 < kanzure> i guess i have 4GB of youtube videos on there
19:05 < kanzure> and lots of peepcode stuff
19:05 < kanzure> (about 8GB)
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19:07 < kanzure> guess i'll delete that
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19:52 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
19:52 < fenn>  New Meetup Group: The Bay Area Recovering Fundamentalist Support Group
19:54 < JayDugger> Ha! been there, done that.
19:55 < JayDugger> kanzure: another good use for 1kfriend.ly, which its extant competitors miss, would incorporate Google Voice and other voice mail systems.
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20:17 < fenn> qs @ langton @ boing boing http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/02/studying-sleep-patte.html
20:18 < fenn> (boring, don't watch)
20:33  * fenn mumbles something about cad files... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX09WnGU6ZY&feature=player_embedded#at=51
20:33 < fenn> lego printer
20:39 < fenn> unsubscribing from ahs, let me know of anything interesting
20:51 < kanzure> fenn: any reason for the unsubscribe other than them being all lame?
20:52 < fenn> lots of things that seem like signal but end up being useless
20:52 < kanzure> yeah :(
20:52 < kanzure> how has that not happened yet for om?
20:52 < fenn> also high traffic, and no point in sorting it into another folder that i'll never look at
20:53 < fenn> i sort om into a folder that i never look at :)
20:53 < kanzure> are you going to open science summit?
20:53 < kanzure> http://opensciencesummit.com/
20:53 < fenn> uh, uh, probably
20:53 < kanzure> or singularity summit? http://singularitysummit.com/
20:53 < kanzure> singularity summit this year looks kinda lame
20:53 < fenn> you say that about everything
20:53 < kanzure> have you looked at it?
20:54 < kanzure> it's like.. eliezer yudkowsky, talking about intelligence augmentation
20:54 < kanzure> he doesn't even like intelligence augmentation stuff
20:54 < kanzure> insert more complaining here
20:54 < fenn> then why is he talking about it?
20:55 < kanzure> :(
20:55 < kanzure> because it's a cult?
20:55 < fenn> weird list of 'featured speakers'
20:55 < fenn> i've only heard of kurzweil and mann
20:56 < fenn> "President & Founder, James Randi Educational Foundation" OH OF COURSE
20:56 < kanzure> heh
20:56 < kanzure> President & Founder & Director, The Bryan Bishop Foundation
20:56 < kanzure> i know 'michael vassar' (bottom right) on that list
20:57 < kanzure> he goes around trying to get money for siai
20:57 < fenn> i've heard of david hanson
20:58 < kanzure> are you sure you're not thinking of robin hanson?
20:58 < fenn> yeah
20:58 < kanzure> (robin was eli's cohort in lesswrong/overcomingbias)
20:58 < fenn> he did the philip dick severed head
20:59 < fenn> http://www.pkdandroid.org/
21:00 < kanzure> huh
21:00 < fenn> "fedex institute of technology"?
21:01 < kanzure> also, ray kurzweil is hiring some people to do data entry work
21:01 < kanzure> for his kurzweilai.net blog
21:01 < kanzure> in case anyone in here wants to suck up to him or something
21:02 < fenn> data entry? like blog aggregating?
21:03 < kanzure> yeah apparently he doesn't know about rss feeds
21:03 < kanzure> so he hires humans to copy and paste links from other articles on the net
21:03 < kanzure> *links to
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21:11 < fenn> "Tutor Me Elmo" sounds like a bad sex toy
21:13 < fenn> well there's some neat stuff on here http://andrewmolney.name/
21:16 < fenn> unfortunately his idea of "tutoring" is a talking head
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21:19 < fenn> https://umdrive.memphis.edu/aolney/public/projects/bass/asr_billybass_divx.avi
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21:28 < fenn> the fish is much cuter than the 3d heads
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21:30 < splicer> kanzure: James Randi is very well known in  skeptic circles. He is somewhat regarded as one of the founders of the field. That's why it's funny that his name is next o kurzweils.
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