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09:00 < kanzure> morning
09:07 < kristianpaul> morning
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09:22 < fenn> good 1276100500 to you sir
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09:24 < fenn> i guess 100ks would be more appropriate
09:24 < fenn> that'll teach me to think before i open my fat laptop
09:32 < kanzure> i underestimated how long it takes to get a paper published
09:33 < fenn> how long?
09:33 < kanzure> well i did a paper with matt back in the beginning of 2009
09:33 < kanzure> and only now is ASME sending around copyright "please sign your soul" documents
09:49 < kanzure> ok, sonia arrison also joining the conference call on the 16th
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10:19 < fenn> now, spam in annoying, and phone spam is even worse, but could they at least configure the robot to speak english?
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11:03 < kanzure> so, any ideas for what microfluidic thing i should do?
11:04 < kanzure> i was thinking of a two-channel-turns-into-one thing for mixing two different dyes, then plastering that up against a second piece of acrylic and drilling some holes for screws
11:05 < kanzure> commercial near-field induction for power transfer stuff: http://www.witricity.com/ http://www.ecoupled.com/
11:08 < Ian_Daniher> Just visited an injection molding facility.
11:09 < Ian_Daniher> Pretty awesome stuff! Doesn't lend itself to DIYing, but still awesome.
11:17 < fenn> any questions for robert lang (of computational origami fame)
11:17 < fenn> you can DIY injection molds, don't be fooled
11:18 < Ian_Daniher> sure, using a 3/4-axis CNC mill and a large chunk of Al, but how about DIYing the injection process?
11:19 < Ian_Daniher> molten plastic / high pressure seems intimidating. Certainly not impossible, but it'd be quite a feat.
11:19 < fenn> not at all
11:19 < fenn> dave gingery wrote a book on it
11:20 < fenn> you can buy a ready made desktop injection molding machine for about $3k
11:20 < fenn> http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/inject/index.html
11:20 < kanzure> and i have the book on heybryan.org somewhere if you can tolerate 1 kbps
11:21 < kanzure> fenn: i guess if his "fold router" program thingy could be coerced into generating instructions for folding a particular shape or not.
11:21 < kanzure> as i recall, it required significant user input to figure out how to fold something
11:21 < kanzure> basically a "what's the coords that you want to fold a point to?" thing
11:21 < kanzure> brb
11:22 < kanzure> anyway, there should be no reason (as far as i can tell) why you couldn't just automatically spit out instructions for folding a specific pattern from the Tree app he wrote
11:22 < fenn> treemaker
11:22 < fenn> you mean crease patterns arent good enough? :P
11:25 < fenn> i wonder why treemaker isn't in debian
11:29 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:heybryan.org+injection+plastic isn't turning up the book.
11:30 < Ian_Daniher> if you know where it is off the top of your head, could you linkme?
11:34 < fenn> prolly /books/Manufacturing/*ingery*
11:34 < fenn> btw kanzure if you're about could you please powercycle tub?
11:35 < fenn> off to SETI
11:35 < fenn> i fucking love the bay area
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12:36 < kanzure> hey eridu 
12:36 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: ok, will do in a bit
12:38 < kanzure> fenn: not at home right now.
12:40 < eridu> kanzure: hey
12:41 < eridu> I'm just a lurker on the diy{bio,h+} mailing lists, don't mind me...
12:41 < kanzure> okay :)
12:41 < kanzure> eridu: logs: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt 
12:42 < eridu> kanzure: thanks
12:43 < kanzure> hm: http://www.austinhackerspace.org/bylaws
12:52 < Trooem> i want to go and see austin hackerspace.....
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13:15 < Ian_Daniher> so shoutout thoughts on a hackerspace charging $50 monthly membership plus training fees for individual tools?
13:15 < Ian_Daniher> IMO, defeats the purpose of a hackerspace.
13:17 < Ian_Daniher> backstory: new startup Boston hackerspace has a membership fee which I philosophically disagree with but recognize as a necessity
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13:30 < Noahj> Our hackerspace does that, but we're fledgling, I think the plan is to take a cut of sales on things created there 
13:31 < Noahj> I don't know if that business model works either 
13:31 < Noahj> Hackerspaces aren't businesses, though, maybe someday there'll be public funding and they'll be like libraries for physical objects 
13:35 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: i think charging monthly sucks and should be done away with
13:36 < Noahj> Some people come in often enough that it makes more sense than charging hourly
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13:45 < Ian_Daniher> Noahj: Which hackerspace / how much, out of curiousity? And I really like the public funding bit, but have doubts and reservations. There's censorship on all library internet. Expanding that notion to fablabs terrifies me.
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14:31 < Noahj> The AS220 lab charges $50/month and $16/hour 
14:31 < Noahj> Yeah, censorship on library internet makes me sad 
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15:18 < Trooem> everything should be free~.
15:19 < Trooem> especially fast food.
15:24 < Trooem> i have never been to disneyland.
15:24 < Trooem> i wish to go there.
15:25 < Trooem> mock me. lol.
15:27 < Trooem> what are the chances of stem cells turning in to cancer?
15:27 < Trooem> slim or high?
15:27 < Trooem> or none at all?
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15:43 < Trooem>  what are the chances of stem cells turning in to cancer?
15:44 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/brightonhackerspace/browse_thread/thread/622010a02e7994b8 diybio brighton node
15:48 < Trooem> kanzure, your emails aren't listed here publically for everyone to see right? is my info safe with you?
15:49 < Trooem> i had no idea one can see into other people's emails...
15:51 < kanzure> wut's going on here? http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/GMU:Synthetic_Biology/PERFECT_BODY
15:53 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurohacking
15:53 < kanzure> hah the bavarians got onto the wikipedia article. how cute.
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15:55 < Trooem> usable newro hacking imaging devices are still few decades away? i beg to differ. with money.
15:55 < Trooem> ooooo simulated reality...
16:00 < kanzure> neurohackers association http://www.neurohackers.com/
16:00 < kanzure> neat droplet microfluidics video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUw5808pohY&feature=player_embedded#!
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16:01 < fenn> Ian_Daniher: fees for learning seems like it would discourage learning
16:01 < fenn> that's my main beef with techshop at least
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16:19 < kanzure> hm that's weird
16:19 < kanzure> austinhackerspace.org just registered as a DBA
16:19 < kanzure> but put its address as something totally different than the space
16:21 < genehacker> I am disappoint, that microfluidics thing still uses a HUGE syringe pump
16:22 < genehacker> oh neat EO pump
16:35 < fenn> cool.. i like the encapsulation with three liquids
16:35 < fenn> i wonder if that's how they make e-ink
16:36 < fenn> reminds me of the molecular gastronomy 'caviar'
16:37 < genehacker> probablly
16:37 < genehacker> they said they make janus particles
16:38 < fenn> so i just went to this single molecule microscopy talk at seti
16:39 < fenn> they're using a technique called PALM or vPALM which is amazing
16:39 < genehacker> the superlense type?
16:39 < fenn> no
16:40 < fenn> the idea is you have a chromophore which must be activated 
16:40 < fenn> then you feed it very low number of photons to activate only a few chromophores, this gives you a few blurry specks which each correspond to a single molecule
16:40 < fenn> you can then deconvolve those single blobs, then deactivate the chromophores and repeat
16:41 < fenn> the result is that you can map out the locations of all the individual chromophores
16:41 < fenn> this is the guy http://www.optoiq.com/index/biophotonics/display/bow-article-display/366219/articles/biooptics-world/featured-image/palm-microscopy-enables-understanding-of-cell-organizations-impact-on-biological-function.html
16:41 < superkuh> The only problem is it takes, what, 12 hours?
16:41 < superkuh> You have to wait for the photobleaching.
16:41 < fenn> crappy image, lemme see if i can find something better
16:42 < fenn> superkuh: didn't know that, but still, the resolution is insane
16:44 < fenn> stupid scientists and their non-publishing of cool images
16:47 < fenn> also, PALM gives you a 3D point cloud
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16:50 < fenn> random pdf says "20 minutes time resolution" - not sure what that means
16:52 < fenn> seems like there would be clever ways of using palm to map out interactions between particles
16:52 < fenn> to derive the binding affinity for example
16:56 < fenn> i guess FRET would be more appropriate
16:56 < fenn> wah
16:59 < fenn> btw the resolution for palm images was quoted at around 15nm
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18:30 < hundred-ideas> howdy
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19:07 < Trooem> who is near austinhackerspace physically? 
19:09 < Trooem> who is involved in neuro-hacking?
19:32 < genehacker2> why are you austinhackerspace physically?
19:32 < Trooem> what? did i say something wrong in grammer-
19:32 < Trooem> or... have you
19:33 < Trooem> you.
19:33 < Trooem> what you asking genehacker
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19:40 < kanzure> http://www.sardonic.info/AHS_Idea_2.png
19:43 < Trooem> http://www.iwata-medea.com/images/uploads/steampunk-fx-logo-large.jpg
19:44 < Trooem> better looking...
19:44 < Trooem> something simpler...
19:44 < Trooem> http://www.blogcdn.com/news.bigdownload.com/media/2009/05/neosteam_logo_topimage.jpg
19:45 < Trooem> http://www.craftsonthenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/steampunk-logo.jpg
19:46 < kanzure> Trooem: why are you here
19:47 < QuantumG> to annoy you it seems
19:47 < Trooem> do you want to kick me out...?
19:48 < Trooem> where should i be kanzure?
19:48 < QuantumG> gitmo
19:48 < Trooem> whats that..
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20:01 < Trooem> these days, i've quit marketing. i'm about to return to it...
20:04 < Trooem> but intoxicated with..... gaming. :{
20:06 < hundred-ideas> hey kanzure
20:06 < hundred-ideas> you here?
20:07 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: hey
20:08 < hundred-ideas> so I've gotten some positive feedback about the h+beer event already
20:08 < hundred-ideas> did an email go out?
20:09 < kanzure> no not yet :)
20:09 < kanzure> i'll send one in a sec
20:09 < Trooem> jesus, i'm being played around like a toy...
20:10 < kanzure> what?
20:11 < Trooem> not you man, some guys i'm meeting over CPA shit... it's always annoying. remember that greed thing? so many people are into it now CPA networks are being strict..
20:13 < Trooem> there should always be a healthy mix, but not many are understanding that.
20:15 < Trooem> if anyone needs any services or tutoring in online/offline marketing, i'll do it for free. i'm bored........
20:17 < Trooem> kanzure: i'm here to learn about the things people share here. to find more clues, maybe JV.
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21:50 < kanzure> jrayhawk: hm i'm having trouble adding a domain name to the server at gnusha.org
21:50 < kanzure> does my apache2 configuration look correct?
21:50 < kanzure> in particular for 002-heekscad.org in /var/apache2/sites-enabled/
21:54 < kanzure> oh
21:54 < kanzure> duh
21:54 < kanzure> sites-available is not sites-enabled
21:58 < kanzure> awesome, got it
21:58 < kanzure> okay, no more long typing for the heekscad url
21:58 < kanzure> http://heekscad.org/ from now on :)
22:00 < jrayhawk> a2ensite is how to enable a site, by the way.
22:00 < kanzure> aha
22:00 < kanzure> "and then he was enlightened"
22:00 < jrayhawk> Which just does the linking for you.
22:01 < ybit> fenn: what is that @ 7:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9z6H_EFqQ&feature=related
22:01 < ybit> linkage appreciated
22:03  * drazak just rooted his evo
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