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01:36 < drazak> kanzure: so I found a local hackerspace, but their dues are outrageous, so I told them I'd donate experience and items instead of money, hope thye muy it
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06:19 < Cluckj> I'm sorry I missed that talk, hahaha
06:19 < Cluckj> I caught the end of it
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06:41 < Cluckj> Philosophies not grounded in reality, kanzure?
06:42 < Cluckj> Which talk? This one?
06:42 < Utopiah> (the whole morning will be like that)
06:42 < Cluckj> It's interesting that a lot of the discussion shows some allergy to ethics :)
06:43 < Cluckj> Or philosophy...
06:44 < Cluckj> Now I'm interested in talking about it, hehe
06:44 < Utopiah> IMHO it's because good philosophy is hard to do thus rare, babbling is way more common
06:44 < Cluckj> Ah
06:51 < Selar> Are they on break now?
06:52 < Utopiah> yes
06:52 < Selar> Ah
06:52 < Utopiah> http://hplussummit.com/schedule.html
06:53  * Selar nods
06:53 < Selar> Thank yo
06:53 < Selar> u
06:56 < Selar> Are Aubrey DeGrey's slides anywhere?
06:57 < kanzure> Selar: yes, but also a transcript http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/d2s1-aubrey-de-grey.html
06:57  * Selar nods ;)
06:57 < Selar> Your transcript was the first thing I read :)
06:57 < kanzure> Cluckj: i think this tweet summarizes my views succintly: " wlgriffiths
06:57 < kanzure>   
06:57 < kanzure> #hplus "identity" is an ill-formed concept. That was "mooted" by stoned mystics thousands of years ago. "
06:58 < kanzure> also the cliams of the existence of consciousness disturb me
06:58 < kanzure> *claims
06:59 < QuantumG> microtubuals, must be
06:59 < Cluckj> We should talk about that later kanzure
07:05 < kanzure> how about now.. it's just james hughes going on, right?
07:05 < Cluckj> I'm interested in the ethical discussion, or lack thereof, because one of the core ideas from my discipline is that politics become embodied in artifacts that people create
07:05 < kanzure> uh oh
07:05 < Cluckj> Hehe, I kinda want to see this one though
07:05 < kanzure> no, you don't *jedi mind trick*
07:06 < Cluckj> I'm not an ethicist by any means, but I know what they're talking about
07:06 < Cluckj> Hahaha
07:06 < Cluckj> Have you seen his stuff before?
07:07 < kanzure> james and i have spent many email exchanges
07:07 < kanzure> i have decided he's a hopeless lost cause
07:07 < kanzure> so i'm not spending any more time on it
07:07 < Cluckj> Hehehe
07:07 < kanzure> (btw, him taking over WTA to advertize for his book, was not cool)
07:08 < Cluckj> ?
07:08 < kanzure> "cyborg democracy"? yeah..
07:09 < Cluckj> Sounds neat ;)
07:09 < kanzure> have you uh, read it?
07:09 < Cluckj> No, but the title is catchy as f*ck
07:10 < Cluckj> heh, yeah I see what you mean about him
07:10 < Cluckj> I think I've heard this stuff before
07:10 < Cluckj> Haha, goatfuckin'
07:11 < kanzure> so far this talk isn't his usual spiell
07:11 < Cluckj> Maybe it's good you stayed :o
07:11 < kanzure> your ethical babble doesn't work on my mind, only money
07:12 < kanzure> (well, money doesn't work on me either)
07:12 < Cluckj> The pursuit of bling is an ethical system in itself
07:14 < Cluckj> My view of ethics is pretty pragmatic, not just babble
07:15 < kanzure> i seriously doubt he's "buddhist". based on his former ideas..
07:15 < Cluckj> Ethics is the way we do things, and the ways in which we decide to do them
07:15 < Cluckj> Maybe he's a recent convert
07:15 < kanzure> hmm
07:16 < kanzure> ooh @ "BM3h-based sensors measure dopamine release in cell culture."
07:16 < Cluckj> I'm unsure how much "traditional philosophy" will help us do things...
07:16 < kanzure> "Directed evolution of a magnetic resonance imaging contrast agent for noninvasive imaging of dopamine"
07:16 < Cluckj> We need new ethics and new discussions about it
07:17 < Cluckj> Cool
07:17 < Cluckj> Measure the pleasure...
07:18 < kanzure> i wish i could go back in time and kill whoever started the dopamine=pleasure meme
07:18 < Cluckj> I think this guy presented at my discipline's conference
07:18 < Cluckj> I've definitely seen this before
07:18 < Cluckj> Hahahah
07:18 < kanzure> dopamine is pervasive throughout the nervous system and is not solely related to pleasure
07:19 < Cluckj> It's especially present in gut neurons
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07:23 < kanzure> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7798012/Robert-Boyles-prophetic-scientific-predictions-from-the-17th-century-go-on-display-at-the-Royal-Society.html
07:23 < kanzure> wrldpc2: are you in boston?
07:23 < wrldpc2> yes!
07:23 < kanzure> wrldpc2: you should show up to hplus summit.. i'm sitting in the harvard university science center at the moment
07:23 < wrldpc2> I just got back from Parris Island.
07:24 < kanzure> get back in the car and get over here :P
07:24 < kanzure> i'm speaking at 3:10pm EDT (boston time)
07:24 < wrldpc2> oorah!
07:24 < Cluckj> Could you email that to me please? I'm on my blackberry and can't log
07:24 < wrldpc2> I sent a message to Alex Lightman to see if I could get listed and he referred me to the registration page :\
07:24 < kanzure> Cluckj: email the link?
07:24 < kanzure> wrldpc2: bullshit, just show up
07:24 < Cluckj> Yeah
07:24 < kanzure> call me if you face any trouble
07:25 < Cluckj> Yeah dude just show up, it doesn't look like they're checking tags
07:25 < wrldpc2> Bryan: cool.  I'll be through.  Would it be imposing if I brought a friend?
07:25 < wrldpc2> i'll be through
07:25 < kanzure> wrldpc2: not really, no
07:26 < wrldpc2> 9]
07:26 < wrldpc2> oops
07:26 < wrldpc2> I'll be through ASAP I just have to take care of some basics first.
07:26 < Cluckj> This talk is a pretty good one...
07:27 < kanzure> the only guy who raised his hand when he asked "is anyone here a veteran" was Mark Hatch (CEO, TechShop)
07:27 < wrldpc2> How was Wolfram?
07:27 < kanzure> i avoided his talk
07:27 < kanzure> so i don't know :)
07:27 < wrldpc2> heh
07:27 < Cluckj> Oh? What does he do? I took note of that too
07:28 < wrldpc2> Did Lloyd talk?
07:28 < Utopiah> ysterday
07:29 < wrldpc2> Who was the best so far?  Who were you guys really wanting to hear speak?
07:29 < kanzure> andrew hessel was good as usual
07:29 < kanzure> but he's an obsessive compulsive presenter
07:30 < wrldpc2> tight
07:31 < wrldpc2> hottie on the mic
07:31 < Cluckj> Lmao, I was talking about this with someone at the party last night
07:32 < Utopiah> I wish Llyod had had Wolfram's time :/
07:32 < wrldpc2> is she just pontificating or wut
07:33 < wrldpc2> i really could give a shit about the philosophical implications of the singularity.
07:33 < Cluckj> No, she's talking about personhood
07:33 < wrldpc2> did Aubrey speak yet?
07:34 < Cluckj> But that could be pontificating :P
07:34 < Utopiah> yep at ~8:30am
07:38 < wrldpc2> wow this talk is lame
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07:38 < Cluckj> Why?
07:39 < Cluckj> I'm not trying to argue, I'm an anthropologist trying to learn :)
07:40 < wrldpc2> it's all philosophical mumbo jumbo.
07:40 < wrldpc2> she's trying to get over on her sexiness.
07:40 < wrldpc2> SHE IS QUITE SEXEH.
07:41 < Cluckj> I'm going to go talk to her, I'm glad she's talking about this stuff here
07:43 < Cluckj> This is a talk I could skip :)
07:44 < kanzure> heather was actually talking about "brand development"
07:44 < kanzure> it's hard to spot, but her talk was secretly about brands and commercial marketing
07:44 < kanzure> hm at congential analgesia
07:45 < Cluckj> That's definitely a part of it
07:45 < Cluckj> "Brand" is a similar concept to "identity"
07:45 < Cluckj> Except it's YOUR "brand"
07:45 < kanzure> please stop
07:46 < kanzure> i don't want to spam this channel with this bullshit
07:46 < Cluckj> Hahaha :)
07:47 < Cluckj> I'll save it up for you in person :P
07:48 < kanzure> gene:scn9a
07:48 < kanzure> Pain perception is altered by a nucleotide polymorphism in scn9a, Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, 2010 Mar 16; 107(11):S148-53
07:50 < Cluckj> Is there an archive of the tweets?
07:51 < kanzure> probably not
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07:52 < Cluckj> Doh
07:52 < kanzure> NewHarvest
07:54 < kanzure> http://abolitionist.com/ http://superhappiness.com/
07:54 < kanzure> wtf? http://publicindividual.com/
07:55 < Cluckj> Wes unruh is one of my friends in troy, ny
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07:56 < kanzure> hi alidigitalis 
07:57 < Cluckj> What were you wtfing?
07:57 < kanzure> the website doesn't explain anything
07:57 < alidigitalis> aloha kanzure 
07:57 < Cluckj> Oh, haha
07:57 < alidigitalis> anyhow, am working on a diybio project, very slowly for the past 8 yrs or so
07:58 < alidigitalis> http://greenstonepatent.com = there's an enzyme (cannabigerolic acid synthase) that's been characterized but not sequenced...
07:58 < Cluckj> Kanzure, he's a professional blogger, if you google him, there's more stuff
07:58 < kanzure> hrm
07:59 < alidigitalis> i'm trying to get together a better understanding of what needs to be done to then make a budget
07:59 < kanzure> alidigitalis: i don't understand your front page on that link either
08:00 < kanzure> what's the ncbi id of the enzyme?
08:00 < alidigitalis> the main part is the patent, the rest is humorous history
08:00 < alidigitalis> kanzure: let me find it... brb
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08:04 < kanzure> "multi-center hydrogen bond"
08:04 < kanzure> allosphere/allobrain/allonature hrm..
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08:04 < kanzure> hi uniqanomaly__ 
08:05 < Utopiah> they could make metallo to navigate in their own design :-#
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08:05 < kanzure> http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220090042974%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20090042974&RS=DN/20090042974
08:05 < uniqanomaly__> hi
08:06 < kanzure> "Transgenic Stilbene-carboxylate synthase-like enzyme (TSCSL)" (see Fellermeier 1998)
08:06 < kanzure> alidigitalis: was that it?
08:06 < alidigitalis> you're on it man 
08:07 < alidigitalis> thank you for getting me in line ;)
08:09 < alidigitalis> the reason it's interesting is that THC is biologically reactive against mosquito larvae and many other nasty critters in ppm with no known ld-50 in higher organisms
08:10 < alidigitalis> so it's an environmentally friendly detergent + anti-malarial 
08:10 < alidigitalis> and you would need to consume 10+ gallons of fluid to even feel the effects of the THC (by which time water poisoning might be a more serious concern)
08:11 < alidigitalis> anyhow, i'm definitely behind the times in biotech and am trying to come up with a plan of attack and a budget 
08:13 < alidigitalis> i'm waiting to get my forum account on diybio.org to start a thread as I imagine the reply is much more educated and complex than the question
08:15 < alidigitalis> also my day job is webdev and i see the heybryan.com wiki is down, let me know if anyone needs a hand there, i've done several mediawiki installs and used a lot of their plugins too over the years
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08:29 < kanzure> noah bushnell is hilarious
08:29 < Cluckj> This presenter has cool pedagogy
08:29 < Utopiah> meh, he talks 80% about him then skip the content, where is the pedagogy there?
08:30 < Cluckj> I need to put something like that in my presentations
08:30 < kanzure> Utopiah: it was an hour long talk reduced to 10min
08:30 < kanzure> this guy has more credentials than about any one else
08:30 < Utopiah> I heard, that's why it's even more important to know what you are going to skip
08:30 < kanzure> anyway, it was hilarious
08:30 < Cluckj> There was content in the slides he skipped
08:30 < kanzure> lots of content
08:31 < Cluckj> Notice that some of the content that he skipped was pictures and short phrases, stuff that you could read and see while he was skipping through it
08:32 < Cluckj> Yeah, he knew what he could skip for sure :)
08:34 < Cluckj> So what he did was structure his presentation in a way that let him skip things, but let people pick up on what he was skipping
08:34 < Cluckj> It's pretty cool, I loved that
08:38 < Cluckj> I could be wrong about it though, I'll have to ask him
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08:47 < alidigitalis> are you talking about nolan bushnell?
08:48 < Cluckj> Yeah
08:50 < alidigitalis> he's all over the map
08:50 < Cluckj> How about this guy? Robert terchek (sp?)
08:52 < Cluckj> Tercek
08:55 < Cluckj> That's the kind of stuff I want to help diy bio with
08:56 < Utopiah> I was expecting sth crappy because of the title but IMHO he made good point regarding strategy of communication
08:56 < Cluckj> What tercek was talking about at the end
08:56 < Cluckj> Yeah, definitely
08:57 < Cluckj> Sth = something?
08:57 < Utopiah> yes
08:57 < Cluckj> Ah
09:00 < Utopiah> http://transhumanistwiki.com/wiki/Transhumanist_IRC_Chatroom
09:00 < Utopiah> should I mention this one there?
09:01 < Utopiah> (guess not since he knew http://transhumanistwiki.com/wiki/Hplusroadmap_wiki )
09:02 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. Time for sleep. Good luck with your presentation, B.B..
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09:12 < wrldpc2> what has Mac Cowell been up to lately?  He's kept his distance from the H+ community.  
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09:13 < Cluckj> http://www.diybio.org
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09:16 < Cluckj> Kanzure, is it okay to post this channel on twitter?
09:17 < Cluckj> Or maybe make a new one for the conf?
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09:24 < Utopiah> Cluckj: post #transhumanism
09:26 < Cluckj> Okay
09:26 < Cluckj> I'll get grant to do it
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09:48 < kanzure> Cluckj: yeah it's fine
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09:48 < kanzure> wrldpc2: yeah mac was around yesterday
09:48 < Cluckj> Word. I'll send people over when they come in
09:48 < AJollyLife> ...wow, this is a much bigger channel :)
09:48 < Cluckj> Mac might be around today
09:49 < kanzure> AJollyLife: are you Jolly?
09:49 < AJollyLife> yep :)
09:49 < kanzure> shouldn't you be behind a camera :P
09:50 < AJollyLife> psh, im behind my netbook, uploading photos
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09:50 < kanzure> close enough i guess
09:50 < AJollyLife> just took a photo of you though :P
09:50 < kanzure> like a ninja
09:51 < AJollyLife> i've got some long glass :)
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11:05 < wrldpc2> who the hell is talking right now?
11:05 < wrldpc2> "massive question" ??  ehhh .. no.
11:06 < kanzure> wrldpc2: are you present yet?
11:08 < wrldpc2> on my way now
11:08 < wrldpc2> got a foot out the door.
11:08 < kanzure> my talk starts at 3:10 supposedly.. (2:10 CST) but it'll probably be delayed
11:08 < kanzure> aquaponica, unfied field bank, design education, palomar, recrear
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11:09 < kanzure> hi thesnark 
11:09 < thesnark> hey kanzure
11:09 < kanzure> my talk starts in about an hour
11:09 < thesnark> I know :)
11:09 < kanzure> but it might be delayed a bit
11:09 < thesnark> ok
11:09 < thesnark> oh hm could you give me that link again?
11:09 < thesnark> to the stream?
11:09 < kanzure> http://hplussummit.com/streaming.html
11:11 < thesnark> I'm totally loving this waiting music they have
11:12 < kanzure> quick, hook up shazam to it!
11:12 < thesnark> I just googled the lyrics
11:12 < thesnark> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWVWi5KXMWs
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11:20 < thesnark> "A lot easier than C++" Not that hard to master C++ basics...
11:21 < AJollyLife> #hplus photos from Sat! http://bit.ly/bwQs1u Please tag photos - All CC licensed! Please give me feedback/let me know what you want to see!
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11:26 < kanzure> AJollyLife: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/photos/ feel free to add these
11:27 < AJollyLife> hmm. i think we probably need an main page that links to all #hplus photos
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11:43 < kanzure> hi metaliving 
11:43 < kanzure> mark hatch transcript: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/d2s16-mark-hatch.html
11:44 < kanzure> david orban transcript: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/d2s17-david-orban.html
11:45 < kanzure>  Directed evolution of a magnetic resonance imaging contrast agent for noninvasive imaging of dopaminehttp://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v28/n3/full/nbt.1609.html
11:45 < kanzure> dopamine 
11:45 < kanzure> hrm
11:45 < kanzure>  Directed evolution of a magnetic resonance imaging contrast agent for noninvasive imaging of dopamine http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v28/n3/full/nbt.1609.html
11:45 < kanzure> there we go
11:45 < Alystair> dopamine deficient :(
11:46 < Alystair> standard reward pathways don't work for me unless I take the lovely ritalin
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11:48 < kanzure> what's with you people and thinking dopamine=pleasure?
11:48 < kanzure> like this has only happened in the past week
11:48 < kanzure> and it keeps showing up
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11:55 < Alystair> who are you calling... you people... >:|
11:55 < Alystair> hehe
11:55 < Alystair> kanzure: humans like to over simplify
11:56 < Utopiah> precision is costly
11:57 < kanzure> http://www.amazon.com/Knowing-Doing-Gap-Companies-Knowledge-Action/dp/1578511240
11:57 < kanzure> Alystair: it hasn't been just you (sadly)
11:58 < Utopiah> http://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/1111.html
11:59 < heath> so... any good talks today?
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12:00 < GPenguin> hi guys
12:00 < ybit> hi GPenguin
12:01 < GPenguin> are you all having a good day?
12:01 < thesnark> yes
12:01 < GPenguin> :)
12:01 < thesnark> How about yourself GPenguin?
12:02 < GPenguin> besides that i am missing my love i am enjoying the evening
12:02 < ybit> GPenguin: kanzure is about to talk after this girl... at the link i sent you
12:02 < GPenguin> about which girl?
12:02 < ybit> there's a girl talking...
12:02 < victoreremita> it doesn't seem like he's after that girl on the schedule
12:03 < kanzure> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajolly/sets/72157624141398171/
12:03 < kanzure> hi GPenguin 
12:03 < ybit> oh right, joseph jackson
12:03 < kanzure> ybit: no, joseph jackson first
12:03 < kanzure> yep
12:03  * GPenguin tips hat at kanzure 
12:03 < kanzure> hi there
12:03 < kanzure> my battery is dying. i hope i can transcript joseph's talk though..
12:03 < ybit> again have there been any good talks today?
12:03 < ybit> kanzure: no outlets?
12:04 < GPenguin> i am after my beloved Christine Zimmermann :P
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12:04 < kanzure> mark hatch at techshop, although it wasn't as fantastic as otherwise
12:04 < kanzure> ybit: no outlets near where i moved to
12:04 < ybit> ah
12:04 < victoreremita> the first summit was better
12:04 < kanzure> this was an ok talk: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/d2s12-robert-tercek.html
12:04 < ybit> ah, i wanted to see that one
12:04 < kanzure> this was hilarious (maybe the video will show the humor) http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/d2s11-noah-bushnell.html
12:04 < Utopiah> (more and more people already, let's seea after the talk! ;)
12:04 < kanzure> aubrey was ok http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/d2s1-aubrey-de-grey.html
12:05 < ybit> i'm also curious about brian malow, patrick hopkins, and james hughes...
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12:05 < kanzure> meh at james hughes :P
12:05 < ybit> :)
12:05 < kanzure> and hopkins
12:06 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/
12:06 < ybit> they have done a better job at getting the talks online this year
12:06 < Cluckj> Awesome, more people are in here :)
12:06 < ybit> i was able to watch some of the talks i missed after the conf yesterday
12:06 < kanzure> ybit: are they posting the videos somewhere?
12:06 < victoreremita> funny how you skipped just one specific transcript :P
12:06 < kanzure> just one?
12:07 < ybit> kanzure: they are grouping them it seems at the livestream link, http://www.livestream.com/humanityplus
12:07 < victoreremita> oops
12:07 < victoreremita> (was looking at the first ones)
12:07 < victoreremita> there was a 4chan raid on the livestream chat
12:07 < kanzure> omg i missed it? :(
12:07 < GPenguin> sorry when i am all silent, but all i can do is think of my sweet Apple
12:07 < ybit> victoreremita: really? :) what time
12:07 < kanzure> i hope 4chan raids it during my talk
12:08 < victoreremita> around one hour ago
12:08 < Cluckj> Hahaha
12:08 < kanzure> it's a great honor
12:08 < ybit> kanzure: quickly post to 4chan! :)
12:08 < GPenguin> maybe another cup of coffee
12:08 < kanzure> to be raided/raped by 4chan
12:08 < kanzure> ybit: you go ahead
12:08 < kanzure> joseph jackson first though
12:08 < Cluckj> Yeah spam it on 4chan :)
12:08 < Utopiah> admin is now securing the chan
12:08 < kanzure> bbl.
12:08 < Cluckj> doh
12:09 < victoreremita> most speakers are rather tiring
12:10 < kanzure> victoreremita: agreed
12:10 < kanzure> actually, could you guys tweet it up for joseph jackson and me?
12:10 < kanzure> in particular, drop lots of links to open science summit
12:10 < kanzure> http://opensciencesummit.com/
12:11 < victoreremita> computation pattern network connections knowledge complexity, reminds me of that tool for creating a TED talk
12:11 < victoreremita> too much buzzword use, not much content
12:11 < Alystair> I want a transscript
12:11 < Alystair> so I can summize it
12:12 < AJollyLife> opensciencesummit conflicts with a different conference for me :(
12:12 < GPenguin> this song is for you, Christine!
12:12 < fenn> tweet tweet
12:13 < GPenguin> :D
12:14 < Alystair> why is that so blurry
12:14 < Alystair> it's a futurist meet up and they can't even get a proper resolution?
12:14 < thesnark> stream not working shhiiiiitt
12:14 < victoreremita> works for me
12:15 < AJollyLife> the recorded vids will be in 1080p
12:16 < Alystair> that's excessive, screenshots/slides and a tiny face cam would do the trick
12:16 < Cluckj> HDh+...
12:16 < thesnark> WTF IT'S NOT WORKING
12:16 < Alystair> thesnark: your end
12:16 < thesnark> Gahhhh
12:16 < fenn> YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG
12:16 < thesnark> I know
12:16 < thesnark> It was working before ;__;
12:17 < Utopiah> I wonder if he could fit an entire PDF book on a slide :-#
12:19 < Alystair> lol.
12:20 < Cluckj> Hmm maybe I should go to this...
12:20 < Utopiah> :]
12:22 < Alystair> did you already present kanzure?
12:22 < Cluckj> he's going up right now
12:23 < Alystair> oh wicked
12:23 < Alystair> that's him?
12:23 < fenn> CAPTAIN AMERICA
12:23 < Alystair> that's him?
12:23 < uniqanomaly_> ftw!
12:23 < fenn> yeah
12:23  * Alystair never met kanzure
12:23 < Alystair> wow GREAT presenter
12:23 < Alystair> finally someone with proper slide skills
12:23 < Cluckj> Yeah no shit, haha :)
12:24 < Alystair> he needs a clicker
12:24 < Cluckj> He spent a lot of time on them
12:24 < AJollyLife> more people need to read slideology
12:24 < Cluckj> I really really like his title image slide
12:24 < Alystair> yeah
12:24 < AJollyLife> it takes a lot of work to develop good slides, most people dont bother :(
12:24 < Alystair> who designed that?
12:24 < AJollyLife> <-- used to give a *ton* of speeches
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12:24 < Cluckj> the DIY h+ thing? He did
12:25 < wrldpc2> Who is in the auditorium now?
12:25 < AJollyLife> wrldpc2: i am
12:25 < Cluckj> I am, jolly is
12:25 < wrldpc2> I'm sitting in the back row on the right.
12:25 < Alystair> http://images.highspeedbackbone.net/itemDetails/I106-4350/I106-4350-callout.jpg
12:25 < wrldpc2> huge glasses, blue shirt.
12:25 < Alystair> I use that badboy right there, works great
12:25 < fenn> Alystair: graphics
12:25 < fenn> gah
12:26 < fenn> http://diybio.org/2009/12/11/diybio-graphics/
12:26 < Alystair> man I didn't realize how big a deal kanzure was :o
12:26 < Cluckj> haha
12:27 < Cluckj> It's well deserved
12:27 < AJollyLife> Alystair: presentation remotes are very useful. so is presentation mode...or memorizing speeches
12:27 < GPenguin> hands off of my remote control!
12:28 < GPenguin> i am of peaceful nature, but if you touch this while i am DJ'ing i go mad :P
12:28 < Alystair> AJollyLife: I like having complete control because in smaller groups people might want to ask pertient questions mid-presentation
12:29 < GPenguin> yeah, me too Alystair 
12:29 < GPenguin> but on the other side, giving control to somebody you trust can be a relief
12:29 < AJollyLife> Alystair: I add in extra slides for questions that I anticipate
12:30 < fenn> someone make him talk faster!
12:30 < Cluckj> I think his pace is fine :P
12:30 < Alystair> AJollyLife: would be funny if you did it in a similar way QI (a british comedy series) does for "gotcha" answers
12:30 < Cluckj> People are paying attention
12:31 < AJollyLife> his speech is better organized than most
12:31 < Cluckj> Yup
12:31 < AJollyLife> also, it helps when you dont put up everything you are saying on the slides :)
12:32 < Cluckj> I use that pedagogy too, it really helps people focus on what you're saying
12:33 < Roy78> gj Bryan
12:33 < Cluckj> Woop woop
12:34 < fenn> miaow
12:34 < Alystair> woo Bryan
12:34 < victoreremita> great job
12:35 < AJollyLife> kanzure: you had a photo of a good friend of mine on that last slide :)
12:37 < fenn> hm well i cant figure out how to copy text from the ustream comments.. anyway people liked it
12:37 < Utopiah> Dave_k: yea!!!!    more wild applause!!!!
12:37 < Utopiah> bobdole: \o/ Great speech Byran
12:37 < fenn> "too bad he can't transcribe himself"
12:38 < GPenguin> not yet!
12:49 < ybit> kanzure: forgot to mention, it may have been a good idea to mention snorting stem cells along with gfp?
12:51 < GPenguin> by cells belong to me and nobody else!
12:51 < GPenguin> well ok, except for a certain woman maybe ...
12:51 < GPenguin> but only maybe
12:52 < Cluckj> Ew?
12:52 < Cluckj> Snorting gfp cells off a hooker's ass?
12:53 < ybit> heh, er.. not where i was going with that :)
12:54 < fenn> a robot hooker's ass?
12:54 < fenn> living the dream, baby
13:02 < Cluckj> Well, you can count on me to go there, hehe :)
13:02 < Alystair> kurtz on stage now
13:03 < Alystair> er kurzweil >_>
13:07 < wrldpc2> Bryan what has everyone been doing after the conf?
13:09 < Alystair> The H+ logo Bryan used in the cover slide is actually the logo for a now defunct singularity like magazine
13:09 < Alystair> http://www.hplusmagazine.com/
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13:10 < Cluckj> yeah...
13:11 < Cluckj> He made the diy and put them together...
13:11 < Utopiah> seems everything goes faster and faster but Kurzweil talks...
13:11 < Cluckj> Zing :)
13:11 < GPenguin> waka waka
13:12 < Cluckj> People pay attention better when you speak slowly and clearly :)
13:13 < AJollyLife> Alystair: the magazine is not defunct
13:13 < AJollyLife> :D
13:15 < fenn> the magazine is being held hostage in a political temper tantrum
13:16 < fenn> less than a year ago the organization was called WTA
13:16 < AJollyLife> i thought the people responsible for the H+ summit were taking it over?
13:17 < Alystair> meh I'm zoning out on kurz
13:17 < Alystair> ain't my thing
13:18 < victoreremita> same old same old
13:19 < Cluckj> A couple people on twitter agree
13:20 < ybit> http://gekgasifier.pbworks.com/How-to-Build-and-Run-the-GEK-Gasifier
13:21 < ybit> so what does kurzweil do aside from talking?
13:21 < ybit> what has came out of the singularity u?
13:21 < victoreremita> he's been making movies
13:21 < victoreremita> :P
13:22 < GPenguin> Christine Zimmermann, i love you!
13:22 < victoreremita> i like how they think of his appearance in the summit as something really important
13:23 < victoreremita> it's a transhumanist summit, he SHOULD be there
13:23 < Cluckj> He has some notoriety, and brings it with him to here
13:23 < victoreremita> those aren't happening every day
13:23 < Cluckj> Haha, yes I agree
13:24 < fenn> ybit: needs a nose cone
13:24 < fenn> tintin rocket
13:24 < ybit> :)
13:25  * GPenguin dances a bit to distract and relax
13:26 < fenn> ybit did you tweet your question?
13:26 < ybit> no, i probably should
13:27 < Cluckj> Jolly, I haven't seen this before :P
13:27 < ybit> tweeted
13:28 < ybit> Cluckj: :)
13:28 < fenn> i havent seen any q/a actually, so i dunno what all this "tweet #hplus with questions" is about
13:28 < Cluckj> I haven't seen any either
13:29 < AJollyLife> I belive they had one q/a
13:29 < Cluckj> Oh, crap I missed it, how did it go? 
13:29 < ybit> there's a q/a on the schedule..
13:30 < Cluckj> Schedules are as flexible here as definitions of "human"
13:31 < ybit> Cluckj: did you make it to the h+ beer meetup?
13:31 < Cluckj> Yeah
13:31 < ybit> how many people showed up?
13:31 < ybit> anything come of it?
13:31 < Cluckj> A billion
13:31 < Cluckj> About 40 people were there when I showed up at 8
13:32 < Cluckj> There were probably twice as many earlier than that
13:32 < ybit> i'm guessing it was more of a social event with no goals in mind :)
13:32 < Cluckj> I got a lot out of it
13:32 < ybit> oh?
13:32 < Cluckj> I'm an anthropologist :)
13:34 < Cluckj> I met a lot of people and talked about a lot of things, almost all of which were related to science, ethics, or transhumanism
13:34 < Cluckj> It was a phenomenal networking event
13:35 < Cluckj> I saw a lot more discussions and waving/smiling between people today
13:35 < AJollyLife> yeah, it was great, i love the making friends/networking aspects
13:35 < Cluckj> Gotta get that friendly community going even stronger
13:35 < AJollyLife> i'm going to be quite sad when the conference ends
13:36 < Cluckj> Go to the openscience summit :)
13:36 < ybit> Alystair, Cluckj, agreed, i really enjoyed meeting people in person at the first event
13:36 < Cluckj> There's a singularity conference in a bit too
13:36 < Cluckj> Ybit did we meet?
13:36 < ybit> i unfortunately am currenlty not able to financially afford traveling every 6 months or so
13:37 < ybit> Cluckj: i'm not sure..what's your name?
13:37 < Cluckj> Oh haha, nm
13:37 < Cluckj> Jon cluck
13:37 < ybit> were you @ the first event?
13:37 < ybit> fenn: did i meet Cluckj? :)
13:37 < Cluckj> I was confused and thought you were here :o
13:37 < ybit> ah
13:38 < Cluckj> This is the first h+ thing I've been to
13:38 < ybit> i'll be in boston this fall visiting with a friend there
13:38 < ybit> plan on going to the diybio meeting there
13:38 < AJollyLife> Cluckj: did i meet you?
13:38 < AJollyLife> im horrible with names :/
13:39 < fenn> hi Cluckj, i'm in the bay area
13:39 < ybit> Cluckj, AJollyLife: where are you two from?
13:39 < fenn> wish i could be there
13:39 < Cluckj> Yep, I am awful with names too, which is unfortunate for my profession
13:40 < AJollyLife> ybit: currently florida, but I identify with chicago the most
13:40 < AJollyLife> i rely on people to remember me. it usually works
13:40 < ybit> AJollyLife: i'm in alabama
13:40 < Cluckj> Jolly we met yesterday after the last panel, I commented on your shirt/blazer combo
13:40 < AJollyLife> ybit: i think my single largest expense after rent is travel
13:40 < ybit> fenn, kanzure: what happened to katsmeow?
13:40 < AJollyLife> Cluckj: ok! i remember you :) i think i've got a good photo of you up on my stream
13:40 < Cluckj> Ybit, I am a graduate student at RPI in Troy NY
13:41 < AJollyLife> Cluckj: what major? i know some people over there
13:41 < ybit> Cluckj: drazak is in ny
13:41 < Cluckj> Ah, cool
13:41 < Cluckj> Orly...
13:41 < drazak> troy is the other side of the state from me
13:41 < AJollyLife> yeah. i'll be in nyc later this year for the hackers on planet earth conference
13:42 < Cluckj> Someone told me there was someone at rpi doing diy bio or transhumanism stuff
13:42 < Cluckj> Ah
13:42 < Cluckj> Oh yeah it was kanzure who told me
13:42 < drazak> kanzure: I'm waiting for the local hackerspace to email me back
13:42 < Cluckj> Drazak do you do diy bio?
13:43 < drazak> Cluckj: some, mainly I tell people how bad their ideas are, or provide different solutions
13:44 < Cluckj> Cool :) I'm studying/participating in the boston group
13:44 < drazak> nice
13:44 < Cluckj> It is
13:44 < Cluckj> They're pretty awesome
13:44 < drazak> they want like $30 a month for membership here
13:45 < drazak> I told them I'm a poor college student and that I'll pay with experience and equiptment/items
13:45 < Cluckj> I can nerd out (I used to be a biochemist), and do some anthropological research at the same time
13:45 < ybit> we charge $15/month here
13:45 < ybit> cost of living is much lower too
13:46 < Cluckj> That's not too bad
13:46 < Cluckj> Does that money go to rent/utilities?
13:46 < ybit> yeah, everyone can afford it.. right now it goes directly to projects we want to work on
13:46 < drazak> I think they'll be ok with me being a poor student
13:46 < Cluckj> Er, if I may ask...
13:47 < ybit> Cluckj: oh it's fine, we start paying $100/month rent later this year
13:47 < Cluckj> Cool :)
13:47 < drazak> the local space has 3600sq ft though
13:47 < ybit> 6500sq ft here :)
13:48 < Cluckj> haha, that's a bunch of space
13:48 < drazak> nice
13:48 < ybit> but it requiring a lot of restoration work 
13:48 < ybit> still it's in the middle of the downtown area beside the university, so it is nice
13:48 < Cluckj> It's super DIY then, hah!
13:49 < Cluckj> Do you get a lot of college students?
13:50 < ybit> ~70% are college students or grads
13:50 < Cluckj> Nice
13:51 < Cluckj> do you frequent this channel?
13:51 < ybit> Cluckj: yup, i'm usually idle though
13:51 < ybit> i'm idle everywhere, including the openmanufacturing, diybio, diy-h+ mailing lists
13:51 < Cluckj> Ah, okay, I'm looking for more research sites for "diy bio"
13:51 < Cluckj> Hehe
13:51 < ybit> the mailing lists and the faq is helpful
13:52 < ybit> http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ
13:53 < Cluckj> Yup
13:53 < Cluckj> I've been lurking on the ml for about 18 months?
13:54 < Cluckj> Kanzure, have you seen mac? I have a book to give to him 
13:56 < ybit> i'm guessing kanzure's computer is recharging atm
13:56 < ybit> or powered down..
13:57 < fenn> i dont see your question on the first two pages of tweets..
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14:01 < AJollyLife> ybit: his computer looks up to me
14:01 < AJollyLife> hes probably busy transcribing
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14:02 < danx00r> heh I knew this had to exist
14:02 < danx00r> tried hplus, humanityplus etc
14:02 < AJollyLife> its weird, i tried googling for this, but no mentions
14:03 < Utopiah> (there is also a log available) 
14:03 < ybit> hi danx00r
14:03 < danx00r> hi ybit
14:03 < fenn> this channel has actually been around longer than the humanity+ name change
14:03 < danx00r> you watching the stream?
14:03 < ybit> everyone is i believe
14:03 < danx00r> heh well it's not advertised (the chan)
14:04 < ybit> i'm not going to ask again :) 
14:04 < ybit> but anyway, i'm going to watch the rest of this, bbl
14:04 < danx00r> man livestream's chat sux -- no completion, no history, no logging
14:04 < fenn> i think it's actually an irc backend somewhere, or maybe that's ustream
14:05 < AJollyLife> i found the transhumanist irc channel, but not htis one via google
14:05 < AJollyLife> fenn: thats ustream i belive
14:05 < Utopiah> http://www.ustream.tv/forum/showthread.php?t=478
14:06 < Utopiah> (thus irc://c.ustream.tv )
14:06 < kanzure> " mrgarlic
14:06 < kanzure>   
14:06 < kanzure> @Jolly What about fake beard DIY biotech project? Transhumanists could recognize each other on the street. Open Beard #hplus "
14:07 < kanzure> "taliensib Open Source patent pools for self defense against corporate patent trolls? Pity it's too late for GNU/Linux..."
14:09 < fenn> gnu/linux was based on prior art anyway
14:09 < fenn> explicitly
14:09 < kanzure> "OrthoNormalRuss: oh noes! Perry Metzger has already jumped Brian Bishop and is gonna hire him before I can! Curses, Perry!"
14:10 < fenn> well, gnu was, linux just sorta happened
14:10 < uniqanomaly_> seizure of power on gov. level -> fixing up system
14:10 < uniqanomaly_> thats the way
14:11 < uniqanomaly_> ^^
14:11 < fenn> why is it i know the name perry metzger?
14:11 < drazak> seriously? http://pastebin.ca/1882469
14:12 < fenn> ah he's on twister
14:12 < fenn> sifter, whatever
14:13 < fenn> and tt
14:14 < wrldpc2>  what is going on after the conf
14:15 < kanzure> a good corporate citizen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYoTj-leqrk&feature=PlayList&p=C2C7DF2DAF18D2D9&playnext_from=PL&index=6&playnext=1
14:18 < kanzure> ok done with http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23hplus backlog
14:18 < wrldpc2> here he goes with the fucking anti-diybio spiel
14:19 < wrldpc2> "a secret crazy bioterrorist could engineer a supervirus!!"  ... uhh yeeeeeahh ... but a public crazy diybiologist could produce an antigen.
14:19 < wrldpc2> zero sum.
14:20 < kanzure> fuck, snorting stem cells would have been awesome to mention :)
14:20 < wrldpc2> haw
14:20 < kanzure> Alystair: actually the magazine is coming back to life
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14:20 < wrldpc2> oh this is interesting to listen to kurzweil's apology here.  his view has evolved some.
14:20 < ybit> okay and i'm back 
14:21 < Cluckj> Haha, he is trashing diybio?
14:21 < kanzure> Cluckj: yeah mac is around somewhere
14:21 < kanzure> hi danx00r 
14:21 < ybit> wtf is with all the media surrounding kurzweil o.O
14:21 < Cluckj> Oh word, thanks!
14:21 < fenn> hah i love the swarm of photographers attacking the stage
14:22 < kanzure> wrldpc2: dunno, but let's hang out a bit
14:22 < kanzure> hi sinito 
14:22 < kanzure> ok, laptop needs to close again
14:22 < kanzure> grumble grumble
14:22 < fenn> enjoy
14:22 < kanzure> i ran out of business cards :( wah
14:22 < kanzure> i gave them out as napkins at sprout..
14:22 < ybit> adios
14:22 < kanzure> i don't know why
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14:48 < alidigitalis> oh yeah, for anyone following whattup i've gotten a protein sequencer + pcr machine from ebay recently... of course the reagents'll cost more than the machines... c'est la vie
14:52 < drazak> http://www.buffalolab.org/
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15:32 < genehacker> whose trashing diybio?
15:33 < genehacker> crap, I missed the singularity didn't I?
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15:58 < fenn> wtf no unicode for whuffie?
16:01 < fenn> hah, this should be the official symbol http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/37859603/588494
16:17 < jrayhawk> Re: d2s11-noah-bushnell.html: his name is Nolan.
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16:37 < genehacker> where are the Hplus videos?
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16:53 < fenn> they'll be on humanityplus.org, probably up on monday afternoon i'd guess
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16:56 < genehacker> blast
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16:56 < genehacker> also Hayabusa successfully reentered with asteroid rock samples
16:56 < fenn> neat-o
16:56 < genehacker> I can't wait till they recover them
16:56 < fenn> i wonder what they'll say when they find bacterial contamination
16:57 < genehacker> it's from the earth
16:58 < genehacker> I wonder if they'll find any metals in the sample
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17:20 < wrldpc2> kanzure you there?
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17:31 < ybit> kanzure: yeah, hopkins: meh
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18:34 < ybit> tercek's talk was good
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19:59 < fenn> ffs it's impossible to get a quote on how much to expect for an aluminum honeycomb panel or aluminum composite panel
20:06 < thur> anyone know where to find image recognition implementations of Neuroph (neuroph.sourceforge.net) to batch process a bunch of pdfs?
20:06 < thur> just throwing that out there
20:13 < genehacker> what do they use aluminum honeycomb for?
20:13 < genehacker> aircraft parts right?
20:14 < fenn> i'm building a life support pod
20:14 < fenn> apparently it's used for clean room walls and various businessy things like as a substrate for printing signs and light weight curtain walls
20:15 < fenn> thur you just mean OCR? i dont see what's special about neuroph
20:15 < thur> i'm looking for image recognition
20:16 < thur> i have a bunch of pdfs
20:16 < fenn> what are you trying to recognize?
20:16 < thur> and i want to take out a piece of text (i.e. image) and then try to find that image (or something close to it) in a larger collection of pdfs
20:16 < thur> bryan turned me on to artificial neural networks
20:17 < thur> and i've been messing with it since then but kind of having a block now
20:17 < fenn> there are a lot of algorithms that work, not only neural nets
20:17 < thur> ok
20:17 < thur> i have a collection of scanned contracts
20:17 < thur> it's just text really
20:17 < genehacker> why do they use it in clean room walls?
20:17 < genehacker> what sort of life support pod?
20:17 < genehacker> oh
20:17 < fenn> genehacker: it contains no dust
20:17 < genehacker> interesting
20:17 < fenn> for my experimental warehouse lifestyle
20:18 < genehacker> I was thinking more about the pressure capabilities of it
20:18 < fenn> no, mostly for thermal and sound insulation
20:18 < thur> i'm really just looking for the most accurate OCR or image recognition software that can batch process 
20:18 < fenn> honeycomb doesn't provide very good thermal insulation, but aluminum composite panel may not be strong enough without external support over a 4x8 panel
20:19 < fenn> so i was thinking 3 aluminum composite panel walls and a honeycomb floor with a slab of EPS foam
20:20 < fenn> thur: if you want open source check out tesseract/ocropus, but i could never get it to work, configuration is a nightmare
20:20 < thur> i'm messing with it now
20:20 < thur> but yes
20:20 < thur> agreed
20:20 < fenn> bkero has done some stuff with it
20:21 < fenn> if you figure it out, please write up a step by step 'how to ocr pdfs with ocropus' and post it on the web
20:21 < thur> hahaha
20:21 < thur> that's exactly what i am looking for now!
20:21 < thur> will do fenn
20:22 < genehacker> why do you want to scan in pdf papers?
20:22 < fenn> so you dont have a bunch of useless crap laying around
20:22 < fenn> isn't it obvious?
20:22 < thur> no image matching recommendations?  it seems like a neural network would work if i could just get a program that allowed batch processing
20:22 < thur> true
20:22 < thur> actually i work for a company that scans all its signed contracts
20:22 < fenn> i guess i dont really understand what you're trying to do.. something like djvu that just says 'this section over here looks like this other section'?
20:22 < thur> and never kept the easily searchable Word documents
20:23 < thur> yes exactly
20:23 < thur> should i give djvu a shot?
20:23 < fenn> you won't be able to search over that though
20:23 < thur> ah
20:23 < fenn> djvu actually stores some ocr-like metadata
20:23 < fenn> so you can search it
20:23 < thur> yaeh i've been able to OCR all the 600+ contracts using adobe acrobat pro
20:23 < fenn> but if you do copy/paste sometimes you'll get weird crap
20:24 < thur> but it's not as accurate as i need because of varying quality
20:24 < thur> in the scans
20:24 < fenn> i dont think anybody's made a 100% accurate OCR implementation
20:25 < thur> yeah
20:25 < fenn> currently google is farming out their low-confidence words to recaptcha
20:25 < thur> figures
20:25 < thur> wish i could do the same
20:25 < fenn> you can, just set up a porn site and make people solve captchas
20:26 < fenn> or the boring way (amazon turk)
20:26 < thur> i like the first idea
20:26 < fenn> yeah i got the idea from an evil AI that was pretending to be a hottie
20:26 < fenn> sth like that
20:26 < thur> so no recommendations on just straight image matching?
20:26 < thur> hahaha
20:27 < thur> it's a great idea though
20:27 < thur> you should just take credit for it
20:27 < genehacker> oh I see real papers
20:28 < fenn> i'm not a super expert at image recognition, i need to learn more about it. might want to try #machinelearning
20:28 < thur> yeah unfortunately
20:31 < fenn> my current obsession is how to leverage video ASIC to find motion/optic flow and derive 3d coordinates from that
20:31 < fenn> modern video compression like x264 does useful stuff to the data
20:33 < genehacker> sounds neat
20:33 < genehacker> much better than the current approach used in machine vision
20:33 < genehacker> which uses lasers or lidar
20:34 < fenn> blegh i actually have to learn all this crap
20:34  * fenn hides from reality
20:34 < fenn> starting at omnivision tomorrow
20:36 < fenn> 9 am, means i have to be up by 6:30
20:36 < fenn> nooooo
20:36 < fenn> damn there's gotta be a better way to do this
20:42 < fenn> sweet, bike + train + light rail is faster, cheaper, and most importantly has no buses
20:42 < fenn> it's unfortunate google doesn't know how to do bike and public transit in the same trip
20:44 < thur> you gotta teach em fenn
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22:01 < ybit> ping <-> pong
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22:25 < cluckj> yikes, I am so tired
22:46 < ybit> drazak, fenn, genehacker, kanzure: what's the famous story of some guy in cali sequencing his daughter's genome?
22:49 < ybit> Hugh Reinhoff 
22:49 < ybit> thank you internets
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23:01 < AJollyLife> hi
23:01 < splicer> hi
23:01 < AJollyLife> hows it going?
23:01 < splicer> asking me?
23:02 < AJollyLife> yep
23:02 < splicer> fine but at work
23:03 < AJollyLife> what time zone are you in?