--- Day changed Mon Jun 14 2010 00:00 < ybit> what are a few immediate and practical benefits of citizen science? 00:01 < ybit> if anyone can list some out, that would be appreciated 00:16 < danx00r> knowing shit 00:16 < danx00r> keeping the pros honest 00:17 < danx00r> the vanishingly small but non-zero probability of catching something the experts missed & changing the world forever 00:18 < danx00r> getting people to really understand the scientific method, and promoting scientific literacy (not rote memorization, but really internalizing the culture of rational analysis) 00:19 < danx00r> also, what if evil aliens come and phaser us back to the stone age? Someone has to build up the resistance, and keep the fire of knowledge burning in secret 00:20 < danx00r> more likely doomsday scenario: some band of anti-intellectual idiots takes over the government, forces schools to teach creation bullshit, and shuts down all interesting research 00:21 < danx00r> I see citizen science as sort of analogous to the idea that people have a right to own guns 'just in case' 00:21 < danx00r> I don't want a bunch of elite power-brokers to be the only people capable of doing science 00:22 < danx00r> big science is increasingly politicized, and therefore suspect 00:37 -!- bookhling [~bookhling@166.198.169.32] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:37 -!- bookhling [~bookhling@166.198.169.32] has quit [Client Quit] 00:49 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:55 < ybit> nice danx00r 00:56 < ybit> so how are these applicable to everyday joe? or are there other immediate benefits joe and jan can obtain now through citizen science? 00:58 < ybit> outside of knowledge gain 00:58 < danx00r> I think the world would greatly benefit if "Jane and Joe" and especially their kids are doing hands-on science, rather than just thinking of scientists as Jeff Goldblum types -- mad geniuses who work in labs 00:59 < ybit> agree 00:59 < danx00r> part of this is about demistifying science 00:59 < ybit> yup 00:59 < danx00r> bringing it down from a priesthood to the laity, as it were. Like the Protestant revolution, maybe 00:59 < ybit> i use that phrase on a regular basis "demistifying science" 01:00 < danx00r> I'm old enough to remember chemistry sets 01:00 < danx00r> try bringing a 1965 HS chem set on a plane today 01:01 < ybit> :) 01:01 < ybit> or :( rather 01:01 < danx00r> we can't let all of science be regulated and boxed away in expert laboratories for 'safety' or national security etc 01:02 < danx00r> this may sound paranoid -- but think about it. Isn't it likely that one day -- maybe 10 or 20 yrs from now - it would be 'suspicious' to be in posession of assemblers, disassemblers, and source code for the kernel of your operating system? 01:02 < danx00r> you sure can't do that with an iPhone 01:02 < danx00r> or an iPad 01:03 < danx00r> because, just like chemistry, low-level computer programming is becoming an issue of security. A valid issue 01:03 -!- thur [~chatzilla@66-90-146-146.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:04 < danx00r> if you follow that logic to its extreme conclusion, anything that involves handling complex tools of analysis and development -- whether chemical, nuclear, or even information tech -- could be argued to be too dangerous to allow 'normal' people access to 01:04 < danx00r> and that goes for information as well as tools -- why would you need a chip layout, unless you're planning to circumvent DRM and steal software or media? 01:05 < danx00r> ok I admit I'm ranting a bit -- but in my mind this ties together. Science is just latin for knowledge 01:05 < ybit> yup, i think what you are saying is great 01:05 < danx00r> I feel like it's a use it or lose it situation -- if we don't loudly and publicly declare our right and our ability to examine, comprehend, and understand our reality 01:06 < danx00r> then we are effectively delegating that to a noble elite, with the proper credentials 01:06 < danx00r> and I don't like the smell of that world 01:06 < danx00r> did the rep/rap guys show up at H+? 01:06 < danx00r> http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page 01:07 -!- r1777 [~LOL@li48-79.members.linode.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:07 < danx00r> btw this stuff is even more important in 3rd world fascist countries than it is in the 'developed' world 01:07 < danx00r> the fears I have are pretty paranoid for someone in the USA today 01:07 < danx00r> but they are perfectly reasonable for someone in, say, Iran, Afghanistan, or most of Africa 01:07 < danx00r> and even China to some degree 01:08 < danx00r> and even here, with things like the MPAA suing people for having their crappy crypto on a T-shirt, there are powerful interests who do not want a populace that thinks for itself 01:08 -!- r1776 [~LOL@li48-79.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:08 < danx00r> so really it's about protecting and promoting critical thinking and direct acquisition of information, rather than letting the masses get comfortable learning everything from Wikipedia and assuming it's correct 01:09 < danx00r> (don't get me started on Wikipedia :) 01:10 < danx00r> eventually Wikipedia will be considered "too big to fail" and nationalized. Ok, maybe that's a stretch... 01:11 < danx00r> did I mention, peer review is broken? 01:19 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:19 < ybit> danx00r: good stuff 01:20 < danx00r> thx 01:20 < ybit> you could also add the life as intellectual property war here in the usa 01:20 < ybit> which would mean you are paranoid for a good reason 01:20 < ybit> i take that back, you're aware of what's going on, not paranoid 01:21 < ybit> a thinking mind is more useful than a dead one, unless it's hitler or others :) 01:22 < ybit> but then there's the side story of hitler being a great artist and turned down by an art institution he wanted to study at... 01:22 < ybit> anywhos, i should probably sleep, and google logs are telling me this is the average bed time 01:22 < ybit> thanks for the feedback danx00r 01:23 < ybit> hi wolfspraul 01:23 < danx00r> first one's free :) 01:23 < danx00r> hey maybe someone can help here 01:23 < danx00r> I want to teach a bunch of kids 6-10 how to measure something, like gravity or the speed of sound 01:24 < danx00r> any ideas? should be something fundamental about the Universe that isn't obvious without doing some sort of experiment 01:26 < ybit> danx00r: www.fofweb.com/onfiles/SEOF/Science_Experiments/6-33.pdf 01:26 < ybit> you can even measure the earth's mass with a pendelum 01:28 < ybit> measuring the earth's mass: http://bit.ly/9BHhZU 01:28 < ybit> measuring sound: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_you_measure_the_speed_of_sound 01:29 < ybit> the speed of sound* 01:35 < danx00r> did anyone ever put videos of the 2009 December event up? 01:35 < danx00r> thx for the links! 01:35 -!- AJollyLife [~AJollyLif@c-98-217-205-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:36 < Utopiah> danx00r: you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg ? 01:36 < danx00r> actually looking for my own talk 01:36 < danx00r> is there a list somewhere? 01:37 < Utopiah> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hplus+Summit+2009&aq=f 01:37 < Utopiah> no it seems not, at least not there 01:37 < danx00r> sad 01:37 < danx00r> the UK vids are so nice 01:37 < danx00r> no audio problems (like we had today) 01:38 < danx00r> it would be helpful for these seminars to be somewhat more carefully archived and streamed 01:38 < danx00r> sorry to say the quality on that front was sub par this time around 01:38 < danx00r> and apparently for Irvine as well, since nothing was ever put online 01:40 < ybit> danx00r: who are you? 01:40 < danx00r> daniel miller 01:40 * ybit wonders if he met you in irvine 01:40 < Utopiah> I guess with the Internet/HackerSpace/DIY mindset one would check everywhere he could, ask the right people then as he find nothing close to what he needs, make it happen. So yes I agee if you think it's not enough, do it. 01:40 < danx00r> Utopiah: fair enough! 01:40 < danx00r> but of course it's easier to gripe than to fix things :) 01:41 < Utopiah> I dont think so 01:41 < danx00r> (irony) 01:42 < Utopiah> http://bit.ly/sarcasmometer ON 01:42 < danx00r> ybit: what's your rl name? 01:42 < ybit> danx00r: Heath Matlock 01:42 < ybit> http://tweaklabs.org/Heath+Matlock 01:42 < danx00r> I don't recall meeting, but I'm terrible at names 01:43 < danx00r> my point about the videos is that these conferences could have much more reach 01:43 < danx00r> like TED manages to 01:43 < Utopiah> danx00r: maybe you could check my (messy http://fabien.benetou.fr/Person/Person?action=print to get ideas on how to be less "terrible at names" (last related thing I did was a mini "game" to display in a random order profile of people who have a high chance of being at the next meeting) 01:44 < ybit> agreed, they do a terrible job of recording and distributing the videos each event. someone said they are going to release full hd vids later, but that's what they said about the last one, at least this one has so far kept some form of record online 01:44 < danx00r> if attention is paid to ensuring a really effective capture of the talks, the best ones will take on a life of their own 01:45 < danx00r> who is typically responsible for the capture & streaming? 01:45 < ybit> danx00r: dunno, ask the h+ board 01:46 < danx00r> what is the h+ board? 01:46 < danx00r> bb or board of directors? 01:46 < ybit> bb = breadboard? :) 01:47 < ybit> i'm saying the board of directors 01:47 < ybit> goertzel, lightman, etc 01:48 < danx00r> ahh ok 01:48 < danx00r> I can bug Ben. He'll just tell me to volunteer I suspect 01:48 < danx00r> but I don't want to ruffle feathers if someone considers it their domain 01:49 < danx00r> I know it's far from trivial to get that going, and logistics of the conference can get in the way 01:49 < danx00r> to some degree it's an issue of emphasis on the part of the organizers 02:10 < ybit> makes no sense they aren't able to find someone in l.a. or boston to do a decent job of recording 02:11 * ybit sleeps 02:14 < splicer> maybe they - in their great wisdom - are trying to tell us that in the future all video will be crappy 02:15 < danx00r> I suspect they're just hosed trying to put on a good show 02:16 < danx00r> and it's sort of something that no one is really taking ownership of 02:16 < danx00r> like "ok let's run the streaming software, plug in some audio, now let's get lunch" 02:16 < danx00r> someone seemed to be taking it seriously in Irvine, but the videos never materialized 02:17 < danx00r> which is a shame 02:17 < danx00r> some really great talks 02:17 < danx00r> ok nitey 02:28 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558942.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:01 -!- victoreremita [~a@ppp-94-68-250-251.home.otenet.gr] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:02 -!- metaliving [~a@ppp-94-68-250-251.home.otenet.gr] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:19 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host86-173-184-88.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:23 < kanzure> hi all 03:23 < kanzure> hey danx00r, metaliving, victoreremita 03:23 < kanzure> and thur 03:24 < kanzure> jrayhawk: thank you 04:02 < Utopiah> very nice metaphor http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23FOB-medium-t.html gated community, webtropolis, ... 04:06 -!- alidigitalis [43e966e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.233.102.229] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:10 -!- Roy78 [~Tiger@ip68-11-187-208.br.br.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:51 -!- danx00r [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:51 -!- danx00r [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:14 -!- uniqanomaly__ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-84-47.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:15 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-86-161.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:18 < alidigitalis> so is this place really a steorn depot or a more general science arena? 05:19 < Utopiah> this place? 05:19 < alidigitalis> this chat room 05:19 < Utopiah> it's what you make out of it 05:19 < alidigitalis> well what are most people making of it 05:19 < Utopiah> you can parse the logs 05:20 < Utopiah> and see if it fits what you are interested in 05:20 < alidigitalis> great, where are they :) 05:20 < Utopiah> http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt 05:20 < alidigitalis> i came over here from diybio as that's more my speed, however there aren't many folks in that room 05:21 < Utopiah> (mirrored in EU at http://seedea.org/buffering/irclogs.txt ) 05:21 < alidigitalis> it looks like there's a fairly wide gamut of topics 05:22 < alidigitalis> i just didn't want to keep blabbering if i am in the wrong place :) 05:23 < Utopiah> yes, good principle, I prefer to give you the data rather than my biased opinion though ;) 05:24 < alidigitalis> fairenough :) what are you working on then? 05:25 < Utopiah> that very minute? 05:25 < alidigitalis> in general 05:25 < Utopiah> http://fabien.benetou.fr/Slideshows/RencontreAFTParis?action=slideshow 05:27 < Utopiah> so for everything unclear or illogical, just let know 05:28 < alidigitalis> c'est bien, je parle a bit of francaise 05:28 < Utopiah> :) 05:31 < alidigitalis> seems mostly philosophical + use of some of today's web tools? is there a more technical or experimental side? 05:32 < Utopiah> the result is the website where the presentation is hosted 05:33 < Utopiah> as I used it several times a day it doesn't feel philosophical at all to me (especially when there is network latency :( 05:33 < Utopiah> s/used/use/ 05:35 < Utopiah> for the "experimental side" you can check the (way too long) "ToDo" section of most pages 05:38 < Utopiah> since you are in bio you might want to check http://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/Health#PersonalGenomics or http://fabien.benetou.fr/ReadingNotes/IntelligentBio or http://fabien.benetou.fr/Cookbook/Biology 05:38 < Utopiah> but I doubt you'll find anything new there 05:39 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:42 < alidigitalis> yeah, that's all fine and well, i'm looking for folks who are building their own labs to do genetic work.. i'm in charlottesville, va with a pcr machine and a protein sequencer 05:42 < alidigitalis> it's soooooo close these days 05:43 < alidigitalis> can almost afford the rest of the tools.... hoping to find a few folks in the neighborhood to work with 05:44 < Utopiah> what's your next project requiring "the rest of the tools"? 05:44 -!- metaliving [~a@ppp-94-68-250-251.home.otenet.gr] has quit [] 05:44 < alidigitalis> off topic for one second = have you heard keny arkana? 05:44 < Utopiah> (off topic : yes) 05:44 < alidigitalis> she's blowing my mind right now 05:45 < alidigitalis> anyhow, i'm working on getting genetically modified bacteria to produce thc 05:46 < Utopiah> as in tetrahydrocannabinol? 05:46 < alidigitalis> yes 05:47 < Utopiah> for... a specific usage? 05:47 < alidigitalis> thc is created by cannabis to defend it against microbes and insects = a natural detergent 05:47 < alidigitalis> so it's a safe anti-malarial 05:47 < Utopiah> and you dont just say that because you now know the channel is logged :P 05:47 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:47 < alidigitalis> the plant makes it to defend itself (and some people use it for other reasons) 05:48 < Utopiah> yes 05:48 < alidigitalis> i really don't care... the native americans have been using it as a pesticide for thousands of years and the research is well established 05:49 < alidigitalis> and it's parts per million thc:solution 05:49 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:49 < alidigitalis> so there is no real medical merit in the project... 05:50 < Utopiah> could be useful for http://factorefarm.org/ 05:50 < alidigitalis> just a safe, environmentally friendly detergent to kill mosquitos without endangering higher organisms 05:52 < Utopiah> so I dont know anything on that topic but what about coffe? 05:53 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:54 < Utopiah> sounds like another psychoactive stimulant that naturally defends its plant, no? 05:58 -!- LilxHK [~LilxHK@c906548b.virtua.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:59 < alidigitalis> it's very sweet, because it has no ld-50 in higher organisms like fish, birds, or people 06:00 < alidigitalis> coffee i know very little about, however i start every search with http://ncbi.nih.gov 06:00 < alidigitalis> there's a ton of research on there that's never been peer-reviewed and a lot that has 06:01 < alidigitalis> cocaine is another interesting chemical that works wonders against insects.... caffeine i'm not certain about 06:02 < Utopiah> kind of a classical gardener tip 06:05 < splicer> how about heroin? 06:08 -!- victoreremita [~a@ppp-94-68-250-251.home.otenet.gr] has quit [] 06:13 < alidigitalis> i don't know much about the opiates... 06:15 < Utopiah> (unrelated http://www.netfpga.org/ fpga + openflow) 06:15 < alidigitalis> cannabis is interesting because it grows so well in so many places, in large part its robustness is due to it's biological weaponry 06:15 < Utopiah> yep, very rustic 06:16 < alidigitalis> Utopiah: that's a nice card 06:18 < Utopiah> (if you are into FPGA but this time dedicated to graphism check http://milkymist.org/ ) 06:22 < Utopiah> (and more on the OpenFlow side http://vimeo.com/10694783 ) 06:23 -!- alidigitalis [43e966e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.233.102.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:25 -!- alidigital [43e966e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.233.102.229] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:29 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:59 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-101-152.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:03 -!- splicer [~foo@92.39.2.14] has quit [] 07:03 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-101-152.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:12 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:14 -!- Roy78 [~Tiger@ip68-11-187-208.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:24 -!- phr3ak [~noreply@gnet.hu] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:25 -!- phr3ak [~noreply@gnet.hu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:33 -!- Noahj1 [~noah@pool-71-248-161-107.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:02 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-101-152.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:08 -!- sinito [~asa@99.63.249.65] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 08:09 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-101-152.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:54 -!- danx0r [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:54 -!- danx00r [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:03 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:05 -!- danx0r [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05 -!- danx0r [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:11 < Utopiah> http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2010/03/09/optimal-daily-experience/ 09:12 < Utopiah> (with article April 2010 from Medical Hypotheses, found througn KK Quantified Self) 09:19 < genehacker> Bolonkin's writing against patent law now? 09:20 < genehacker> http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/06/patent-nonsense-some-problems-with.html#more 09:31 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:32 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:41 -!- danx0r_ [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:41 -!- danx0r [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46 -!- fenn [fenn@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:01 -!- danx0r_ [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01 -!- danx0r_ [~dbm@c-71-202-164-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:25 < cluckj> kanzure, did you make it back to tx okay? 10:39 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558942.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:44 -!- r1777 [~LOL@li48-79.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:48 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:49 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:27 -!- CapNemo [~ndufour@207.237.95.4] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:32 < kanzure> hey CapNemo 11:32 < kanzure> cluckj: yes 11:33 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:33 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:33 < CapNemo> hello 11:35 < Redeemer> Greetings. 11:37 < kanzure> hi Redeemer 11:37 < kanzure> it's been a long weekend. i should nap. 11:39 < Redeemer> Heh 11:39 < Redeemer> Sleep is unnecessary 11:40 < kanzure> sleep is for the weak! 11:40 < kanzure> where were the videos being uploaded, did anyone catch that? 11:40 < CapNemo> hey very interesting idea 11:41 < Redeemer> Yeah I gotta try to get the talks from this event, since I could not attend. 11:44 < kanzure> Redeemer: transcripts: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/ 11:46 < kanzure> so, i was talking with brian marlow, the science comedian who did a bit after my talk 11:46 < kanzure> and i propose we start a fund raising drive for aubrey de grey 11:46 < kanzure> where aubrey will shave if people raise $10M for longevity research 11:46 < kanzure> i don't think he'd do it for 1M 11:47 < Redeemer> Hah! 11:47 < Redeemer> I don't think he'll do it even then. 11:47 < CapNemo> so what is hplus ?? 11:48 < kristianpaul> apt-make whistel dint work.. ;) 11:49 < Redeemer> Shorthand for Humanity+, which in a nutshell is an idea in regards to intellectual enlightment. 11:50 < CapNemo> ohh ok so basically a mouvement starting centuries ago :) 11:51 < kanzure> Redeemer: bullshit 11:51 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@pool-71-174-251-169.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51 < kanzure> CapNemo: h+ is an acronym for "transhumanism" 11:51 < Utopiah> eh...same 11:51 < Utopiah> Le siecle des Lumieres -> Age of Enligtenment 11:52 < Redeemer> My term was very broad. 11:52 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@pool-71-174-251-169.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:52 < CapNemo> I should invite Voltaire :) 11:52 < Utopiah> lets all read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Renaissance too :-# 11:53 < Utopiah> some go as far as https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gilgamesh 11:54 < CapNemo> ouch 11:54 < CapNemo> why not 11:54 < Utopiah> for the Epic of Gilgamesh 11:54 < Redeemer> Intellectual enlightment with a nice good dose of good technologies. 11:54 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:55 < kanzure> mac hiding in the h+ crowd: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeanbaptisteparis/4699168716/sizes/l/ 11:59 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/python-on-a-chip/ for just running a python vm on a chip without a kernel 12:06 < CapNemo> nice project 12:12 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:13 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:16 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:18 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:25 < CapNemo> any news on skdb? 12:25 < kanzure> microfluidics demo thingy i guess 12:25 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:25 < kanzure> the latest area of development/work is a python-based CSG library (or it might just wrap some other library like OpenCSG) 12:41 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:41 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:42 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host86-173-184-88.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:44 < cluckj> kanzure wow jb has some really amazing pictures 12:44 < cluckj> I want to submit mine but hahaha they look so bad! 12:48 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host86-162-75-133.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:10 < kanzure> wrldpc2: it was nice seeing you again :) 13:11 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12 < wrldpc2> nice to see you too bryan. you were the star of the show! 13:15 < kanzure> http://mynew.tv/ is a project from the abinventio guy who showed off qless at the conference (the "saves you 2 years by not having to wait in lines any more" thing) 13:15 < kanzure> it's actually pretty addictive 13:15 < kanzure> helluva recommendation engine under the hood 13:16 < kanzure> blah it seems to be down 13:20 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:36 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:43 < cluckj> are there any other photographers that put stuff up? 13:45 < kanzure> mainly jolly 13:45 < kanzure> and http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/photos/ 13:45 < cluckj> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajolly/sets/72157624141398171/ 13:45 < cluckj> cool, thanks 13:45 < cluckj> I saw jb's and jolly's 13:46 < cluckj> that's a lot of people at sprout 13:47 < cluckj> ooh, can I use that picture of mac standing on the table? 13:47 < cluckj> I don't know what for yet, but it's a nice visual 13:48 < cluckj> of the kinds of stuff he does :) 13:56 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:58 < cluckj> http://www.flickr.com/photos/49618787@N08/4701256564/ 13:58 < kanzure> cluckj: i think he tried to trademark table standing at igem 13:59 < cluckj> hahaha 13:59 < cluckj> sounds about right 14:00 < cluckj> I wanted to codename him in my paper -- he wanted to be called "the advocate," now I have photographic evidence! 14:01 -!- lepton [~john@ma80736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:08 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:15 < kanzure> wtf is this crap? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB7L1BIDELc 14:15 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:15 < kanzure> cluckj: i'm fine with him being "the advocate" only if i get to be "the anomaly" 14:18 < uniqanomaly__> kanzure: black gospel except for 'strictly black' and 'religious' things 14:19 < uniqanomaly__> well 14:19 < uniqanomaly__> except for 'black' and 'gospel' ;) 14:26 < uniqanomaly__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1BFVPPNQxI 14:26 < uniqanomaly__> this one is better, for sure 14:26 < cluckj> hahaha 14:27 < uniqanomaly__> ;) 14:27 < cluckj> kanzure I think I see what you mean, could you explain a little more? 14:28 < kanzure> "there'll be no one to stop us this time" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B7YNUNhhNE i had this beat in my head for the longest time 14:28 < kanzure> thanks for reminding me it was aphex twin 14:29 < uniqanomaly__> you're welcome 14:32 -!- Alex_Hartman [~chatzilla@adsl-4-80-114.cae.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:36 < kanzure> hi Alex_Hartman 14:37 < Alex_Hartman> Hello Kanzure 14:37 < Alex_Hartman> I'm right now reading the transcript posted under topics 14:37 < kanzure> the /topic has the transcripts from last year 14:37 < kanzure> 2009: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ 14:37 < kanzure> 2010: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/ 14:39 < kanzure> anyway, welcome alex :) 14:40 < Alex_Hartman> Oh, Boyden was there? 14:40 < kanzure> yeah 14:41 < kanzure> ed is great 14:41 < Alex_Hartman> I didn't know he was involved with the DIY community 14:41 -!- lepton [~john@ma80736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:42 -!- lepton [~john@155.sub-75-231-191.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:42 < Alex_Hartman> I did some work based on his research a while ago. Some optogenetic stuff. 14:44 -!- fenn [fenn@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:44 < cluckj> I talked to him too, he was pretty awesome 14:45 < Alex_Hartman> He seems like a cool guy. I first saw his name back on neurodudes and kind of kept up with his research over the last few years. 14:45 < CapNemo> btw, anybody around nyc here? 14:46 < cluckj> I'm near albany, what's up? 14:48 < CapNemo> always searching for groups in new york ^^ 14:49 < cluckj> I'm not really a group :) 14:49 < CapNemo> damn ;) 14:49 < Alex_Hartman> That depends on how you wish to define yourself as an entitity, isn't it ;) 14:49 < cluckj> touche 14:50 < Alex_Hartman> I'm way down in SC, sorry. Are there a lot more people in NYC who collaborate? 14:51 < cluckj> hehe 14:51 < Alex_Hartman> By "more" I think I really mean "any"... 14:51 < cluckj> albany is in new york, but 2-3 hours from NYC 14:51 < CapNemo> yup big state 14:51 < Alex_Hartman> See, I did that stupid southerner thing where you say "New York" and we add the "city" 14:52 < cluckj> eh, it's not limited to southerners :) 14:52 < CapNemo> yup :) nyc nyc nyc 14:52 < cluckj> there is a diy bio group in nyc, but I haven't hung out with them yet 14:52 < cluckj> just diy bio in boston 14:53 < CapNemo> cluckj, what kind of microscope were you using in those picture to observe that leaf ? 14:54 < cluckj> a ucam 14:54 < cluckj> it's a DIY webcam microscope 14:55 < CapNemo> nice 14:55 < CapNemo> how much magnification did you get with? 14:55 < cluckj> there should be some info about it on the diybio.org site 14:56 < cluckj> in theory, 40x, in practice, maybe 30x? 14:56 < CapNemo> rather good 14:57 < cluckj> definitely 14:57 < cluckj> mac has made some improvements since then 14:58 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:04 < CapNemo> that must be fun to build yes :) 15:07 -!- lepton [~john@155.sub-75-231-191.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:08 -!- lepton [~john@171.sub-75-231-161.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:26 < CapNemo> ok time to go home... thanks for the talk cluckj 15:27 < CapNemo> see you around 15:27 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:28 -!- CapNemo [~ndufour@207.237.95.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@pool-71-174-251-169.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38 -!- Alex_Hartman [~chatzilla@adsl-4-80-114.cae.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431]] 15:51 < QuantumG> 15:51 < QuantumG> Don't ya hate it when you're having a conversation in youtube comments and forget that you need to assume everyone is ignorant and stupid? 15:53 < fenn> the actual error was in having a conversation in youtube comments in the first place 15:53 < QuantumG> ya 16:04 -!- lepton [~john@171.sub-75-231-161.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:20 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:20 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:21 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Client Quit] 16:22 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:29 < kanzure> but yeah there's a diybio-nyc group 17:35 < kanzure> hah! six day extension on the scipy2010 papers 17:35 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: hey, it was great seeing you over the weekend 17:35 < kanzure> did you end up going to the summit on sunday? 17:42 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:49 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@114.244.47.233] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:50 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@114.244.47.233] has quit [Client Quit] 18:04 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04 -!- dustbin_ [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:04 -!- dustbin_ is now known as dustbin 18:06 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06 -!- dustbin_ [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:06 -!- dustbin_ is now known as dustbin 18:09 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09 < kanzure> what's "rolling stone magazine" and why would they want an interview 18:09 < QuantumG> is that a joke? 18:09 < kanzure> no? 18:10 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:10 < kanzure> i know of a band called "the rolling stones" 18:10 < QuantumG> ok, rolling stone magazine is like the most famous magazine in the world 18:10 < kanzure> is that related? 18:10 < kanzure> i call bullshit 18:10 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Stone_Magazine 18:10 * kanzure clicks 18:10 < kanzure> well it passed wikipedia notability guidelines i guess 18:11 < kanzure> circulation of 1.4M 18:13 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:24 < kanzure> for the aubrey beard prize (10M USD), we should make him donate the beard to a wig maker and then donate the wig to ray kurzweil (he's balding) 18:24 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host86-162-75-133.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:26 < QuantumG> or you could invent a biological treatment that really does cause hair regrowth 18:26 < kanzure> bah! 18:28 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:29 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 18:30 < JayDugger> Hair regrowth assumes importance in proportion with age, kanzure. 18:31 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:31 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host81-159-250-143.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:32 < QuantumG> I'm sure accelerated scalp hair growth would be popular with women too 18:32 < JayDugger> Good point. 18:32 < JayDugger> I think the coefficient, or perhaps the exponent, of the age term differs for men and women. 18:32 < QuantumG> if you need an altruistic motivation, consider people with cancer 18:33 < JayDugger> Good point. I donated my long hair to locks of love when I cut it. 18:33 < JayDugger> Hmm...@rapportive says they've more Raplets coming to http://raplets.com. 18:33 < JayDugger> Relevant to 1kfriendly. 18:33 < kanzure> :) 18:34 < kanzure> i could convince etacts.com to hire me 18:34 < kanzure> but i don't know if i want that 18:34 < JayDugger> Do you need or want a job? 18:34 < kanzure> they sound very interested when i talk over the phone 18:34 < kanzure> i don't need it and i don't really want it (or do i?) 18:34 < kanzure> i mean, from a 1kfriendly perspective, they have a lot of code already written and a user base 18:34 < kanzure> and it would make less sense for me to re-invent wheels here 18:34 < JayDugger> So far (Gmail+etacts+rapportive) > (silentale). 18:35 < JayDugger> Work-wise, what pays you enough to continue your main project (skdb?) without consuming too much time? 18:35 < JayDugger> Jobs have a real way of taking over one's life. 18:35 < kanzure> i have funding for skdb 18:35 < kanzure> but you asswads won't take my money >:o 18:36 < kanzure> well.. fenn wants to use it to pay rent 18:36 < kanzure> but that's really lame imho 18:36 < JayDugger> I think you're better off concentrating on 8020 for funding. 18:36 < kanzure> JayDugger: did you see the andrew hessel talk? 18:36 < kanzure> i'm also doing that.. we have a deal with exxon coming up for a number of digits 18:37 < JayDugger> ? 18:37 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/d1s1-3-andrew-hessel.html 18:37 < kanzure> the last paragraph mentions the project i guess. it's a quick read overall 18:37 < JayDugger> Exxon? 18:37 < kanzure> apparently they are an oil company that i should know about 18:37 * kanzure shrugs 18:38 < JayDugger> Heh, heh...I remember, once upon a time, before some of you were even born, someone who very seriously argued, in print (when that was a big deal), that Exxon should fund solar power satellites. 18:39 < kanzure> well shouldn't they? 18:39 < JayDugger> high-priority interrupt... 18:39 < kanzure> sex? 18:41 < kanzure> wtf is "pay to pitch" 18:41 < JayDugger> No, short-range planning. 18:42 < JayDugger> Exxon: yes, but I doubt whether such projects will persist past the next downturn in oil prices. 18:45 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:45 < mheld> hey y'all 18:45 < kanzure> hi mheld 18:45 < kanzure> welcome to the dark corners of the internet that your mom warned you about 18:45 < JayDugger> Good evening, mheld. 18:46 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt for the 20+ MB log file 18:46 < mheld> haha 18:46 < mheld> oy 18:46 < mheld> I'll just start from here 18:46 < kanzure> okay :) 18:46 < mheld> just mentioning to kanzure that I'm bummed that I missed the summit this weekend 18:46 < mheld> y'all should tell more college kids about it :-P 18:46 < kanzure> yeah i should have made a bigger stink about it in #startups 18:46 < kanzure> i mentioned it once or twice but it was probably at like 3am 18:47 < kanzure> which doesn't count 18:47 < mheld> haha 18:47 < kanzure> i'm back in austin today, so i can't hang out 18:47 < JayDugger> I think the last paragraph of Hessel's talk would serve well for #startups. 18:47 < kanzure> however, a few others in here are still in boston 18:47 < kanzure> JayDugger: yeah i've told them about the ideas/concepts/etc. 18:47 < kanzure> and have received valuable feedback 18:47 < kanzure> where did wrldpc2 go? he's in boston for sure 18:47 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: are you around? 18:48 < kanzure> cluckj: you're back in nyc already or not? 18:49 < kanzure> oh well. mheld: we'll hook you up with someone for sure. 18:50 < mheld> there are a ton of startup events happening this week, so I'm sure I'll stumble upon someone from the summit 18:51 < kanzure> i want a transhuman-oriented startup, damnit! (ok i guess that's what all this is, in here) 18:51 < kanzure> a few minutes ago i was complaining to everyone how i got funding and nobody wanted to use it on any crazy project 18:51 < kanzure> other than paying stupid rent stuff :( 18:51 < mheld> kanzure: hi :-) 18:51 < fenn> *cough* bullshit *cough* 18:51 < mheld> building strong AI here 18:51 < JayDugger> Etacts: Folding 1kfriendly into it prevents reinventing the wheel. Full-time employment with them doesn't best use your time, IMO. 18:52 < mheld> one step at a time though 18:52 < kanzure> JayDugger: right 18:52 < kanzure> mheld: are you working with ben goertzel, then? 18:52 < kanzure> and if not, why not? 18:52 < kanzure> opencog et al. 18:53 < mheld> I'd like to 18:53 < kanzure> he's the most approachable guy on the planet 18:54 < mheld> hmm 18:54 < nsh> because he *is* strong AI... my god, it's all starting to make sense 18:54 < nsh> his whole enterprise is a foil to prevent others discovering the secret and creating elizier's wanky fantasies 18:54 < kanzure> fenn: have you been keeping track of biocurious and its apparent lack of progress? 18:55 < kanzure> as always, joseph jackson talked about various social "problems" (these problems seem to follow him where-ever he goes.. or maybe he just finds them) 18:55 < kanzure> $200/mo per member of biocurious just seems a bit.. odd 18:56 < kanzure> and $800 per LavaAmp.. 18:57 < kanzure> wasn't that originally a $10 thermocycler? 19:08 < nsh> what 19:09 < nsh> people pay $200 per month to members? 19:10 < Alystair> is abstraction a necessary evil 19:10 < JayDugger> Did Keith Curtis (keithcu.com) attend hplus 2010? 19:11 < JayDugger> I wonder if he & B. Goertzel discussed open source AI. 19:18 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. Time to commute. 19:18 -!- Roy78 [~Tiger@ip68-11-187-208.br.br.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:18 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:33 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:41 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@pool-71-174-251-169.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:44 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:46 < JayDugger> 1kfriendly: http://thinktankapp.com/ aka Gina Trapani's Twitalytic, forkable from github http://github.com/ginatrapani/thinktank 19:48 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:50 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:52 < superkuh> http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(10)00376-4 19:52 < superkuh> "Transcranial Pulsed Ultrasound Stimulates Intact Brain Circuits" 20:09 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:10 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@pool-71-174-251-169.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc2] 20:30 -!- wrldpc2 [~benny@pool-71-174-251-169.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:39 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:43 -!- r1776 [~LOL@li48-79.members.linode.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:48 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 21:13 -!- Roy78 [~Tiger@ip68-11-187-208.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:19 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20 -!- dustbin_ [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:20 -!- dustbin_ is now known as dustbin 21:22 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22 -!- dustbin_ [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:22 -!- dustbin_ is now known as dustbin 21:23 < kanzure> hi r1776 21:23 < kanzure> wrldpc2: mheld is in your area.. he was in the channel a while ago 21:23 < wrldpc2> cool 21:24 < wrldpc2> mheld identify 21:24 < kanzure> someone from #startups 21:27 < cluckj> kanzure I'm back in Troy, yeah 21:27 < cluckj> it's about 2-3 hours from new york city 21:53 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:24 -!- Noahj [~noah@pool-71-184-114-108.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:30 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32 -!- CIA-46 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:34 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:41 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558942.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:50 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:54 -!- CIA-46 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:22 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-71-59-167-112.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-71-59-167-112.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap