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03:26 < jrayhawk> Where can I grab these archives?
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06:02 < Alystair> I'm wondering if it's possible to get a hole installed in my stomach so I could just get it filled when I'm bored of eating.
06:03 < Alystair> attach tube, give it a few squirts, good to go :p
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06:04 < guibou> hello here
06:05 < Yocttar> any1 knows how much will a DIY laser cutter would cost?
06:05 < guibou> I'm looking for help about opencascade (and it's python binding) and I was only able to find this channel...
06:05 < guibou> Am I in the right place ?
06:05 < Yocttar> openSCAD?
06:06 < guibou> Yocttar: Open Cascade...
06:07 < Yocttar> too bad :P
06:07 < Yocttar> SCAD > *
06:07 < guibou> Sorry, I do not get you...
06:07 < Yocttar> oO
06:08 < Yocttar> no l33t sp34k?
06:08 < guibou> No, not at all, especially in a language which is not my mother language ;)
06:08 < Yocttar> when some1 says X > * it means X is better then the rest
06:09 < guibou> haaa, which is mathematically incorrect, because if you assume that * is everything, X is included in everything, which mean that X > X which is impossible
06:10 < guibou> so you can only write SCAD >= *
06:10 < guibou> btw, it is not really the point. What is SCAD for you ;) ?
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06:57 < Utopiah> The Intellectual Property Implications of Low-Cost 3D Printing http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc/script-ed/vol7-1/bradshaw.asp 
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09:53 < kanzure> "Whilst this may sound a trivial observation, Mann J explained it in the context of the items under dispute (helmets from the original Star Wars film), noting that whilst their creator had undoubtedly employed great craftsmanship, they had not been made for artistic purposes in their own right.77"
09:54 < kanzure> "Following Lucasfilm it appears therefore that copyright protection as a sculpture or WAC is confined to objects created principally for their artistic merit. "
09:54 < kanzure> "A further complication arises via CDPA 1988 s 51. This provides that the copyright in a design document is not infringed by making an article from it."
09:55 < kanzure> "This was the case in Lucasfilm where the concept artwork for the Stormtroopers was held to be a design document for the helmets, so copying the latter did not infringe copyright in it.90"
09:57 < kanzure> "he interpreted s 51(1) as meaning that copyright in a design document was not infringed by any form of copying of the subject article, including making a 2D copy of it. " wut?
09:58 < kanzure> "It is nonetheless still true that s 226(1)(b) CDPA 1988 makes it an infringement of design right to make a design document with the aim of allowing the item protected by that right to be reproduced. But as with ss 226(1)(a), this only applies to commercial use."
09:58 < kanzure> "#
09:58 < kanzure> Acme's design right in the vase design documents is not infringed by Bridget creating a new 3DPDF, as s 226(1)(b) only applies where there is commercial intent.
09:59 < kanzure> hrm.. but isn't that supposed to be covered by patets?
09:59 < kanzure> *patents
10:02 < kanzure> well, it seems that in the uk that's only covering "non-commercial use"
10:02 < kanzure> guibou: yes we use opencascade. what's up?
10:02 < kanzure> Yocttar: opencascade is not OpenSCAD, so stfu
10:03 < kanzure> Alystair: yes it's possible to get a stomach hole. severely austistic individuals get one installed. i think insurance covers it.
10:04 < Alystair> interesting
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10:20 < kanzure> i should read http://stemcells.nih.gov/
10:21 < kanzure> issue 2 of hackerspaces magazine released http://hack42.nl/wiki/index.php/Hackerspace_Magazine
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10:36 < bkero> Hmm, I'm in San Jose.  Maybe I should visit a Hackerspace here.
10:36 < kanzure> bkero: http://singularityu.org/ stop by here
10:37 < kanzure> be sure to stop by hacker dojo, noisebridge, singularity university (it's on the AMES campus), livly.org / biocurious (either one is acceptable)
10:37 < bkero> lol
10:37 < bkero> I need a car first
10:37 < kanzure> you need a catapult
10:37 < bkero> A trebuchet would be the preferrable way
10:38 < kanzure> that's why for this day and this day only, i'm offering a special on my human-compatible now-safer-than-ever catapult for cheap, modest transportation
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10:38 < bkero> What do I do about a return trip?
10:39 < kanzure> it's a catapult.. there is no return trip.
10:39 < bkero> just wanted to state the obvious
10:39 < bkero> If I go to this SingularityU, can I shake somebody's hand?
10:39 < kanzure> sure
10:39 < bkero> Sweet
10:39 < bkero> Shaking hands, yeah.
10:40 < kanzure> if you do go, give me a call at 512-203-0507 and i'll phone someone to let you in
10:41 < bkero> Those are some pretty sweet connections
10:41 < bkero> You know many of the speakers?
10:41 < kanzure> a handful
10:42 < bkero> That's pretty awesome
10:42 < kanzure> i should be up in the area wednesday or thursday
10:42 < bkero> Have they flown you out for a tour or anything?
10:42 < kanzure> i was supposed to get on a plane last week
10:42 < bkero> Sweet, we should definitely go out for some lunch
10:42 < kanzure> but i have this presentation here in austin on wednesday..
10:42 < bkero> If you want to, Mozilla is having a BBQ on thursday evening
10:42 < kanzure> neato
10:42 < bkero> (I'm interning at Mozilla this summer)
10:42 < kanzure> archive.org does bbq on fridays
10:43 < kanzure> in the area.
10:44 < Utopiah> bkero: interning to discover Mozilla and the place or to eventually work there later on?
10:44 < kanzure> bkero is a corporate whore
10:44 < kanzure> he's interned everywhere
10:44 < kanzure> google, intel, mozilla, ..
10:44 < bkero> That's right
10:45 < Utopiah> IBM?
10:45 < bkero> Nope
10:45 < bkero> I could do IBM
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11:34 < fenn_> bkero you can sit on my bike rack :)
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11:35 < fenn> kanzure are you visiting siai?
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11:38 < bkero> fenn: 'eh?
11:39 < eridu> has anyone built a DIY feelspace belt yet?
11:40 < AJollyLife> er, is feelspace belt=haptic compass?
11:41 < eridu> yes
11:41 < AJollyLife> not yet, its on my todo list, but a few people ahve done it, i know one sells kits
11:42 < eridu> I didn't even think of searching that
11:42 < eridu> thank you so much
11:42 < AJollyLife> eridu: http://sensebridge.net/
11:43 < AJollyLife> thats the easiest method/source i belive
11:44 < AJollyLife> im not sure work would let me wear one around, thats the big reason I have not built one yet :(
11:45 < eridu> are they noisy?
11:45 < AJollyLife> no, but i work in a highly secured environment, cant have cell phones/electronics, would probably need special exemptions to get one back here, ect...
11:45 < AJollyLife> most people wont have any issues...eexcept maybe with the tsa :)
11:46 < eridu> I think I could get through a security checkpoint "blind" ;-)
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12:11 < kanzure> fenn: i'm visiting singularityu.org 
12:11 < kanzure> i want nothing to do with siai (for the time being)
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12:34 < Yocttar> kanzure: "stfu"? o_O thats a first
12:36 < kanzure> gotta put your foot down sometime.
12:37 < kanzure> i mean, you could have done a simple google search
12:37 < kanzure> to learn that it is not OpenSCAD
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13:52 < pmetzger> time to go downtown. tonight, inaugural nanosystems reading group meeting!
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15:17 < kanzure> http://www.daniworld.com/trends/citizen-engineer-volume-1-phones/ a video series by ladyada on hardware
15:18 < kanzure> open science summit will be streaming live: http://fora.tv/live/open_science/open_science_summit_2010
15:21 < bkero> Man, I should be some sort of open advocate
15:21 < bkero> kanzure: could you hook me up with some way to do that? :)
15:21 < kanzure> no, i don't kiss enough ass apparently
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15:31 < cluckj> when is the summit?
15:39 < cluckj> haha, next month
15:54 < kanzure> cluckj: spread the word
16:06 < cluckj> I wish I could go
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17:15 < kanzure> http://www.economist.com/node/16349434?story_id=16349434
17:15 < kanzure> "Two thousand Chinese schoolchildren will have 2,000 of their protein-coding genes sampled, and the results correlated with their test scores at school."
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17:40 < cluckj> lol
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18:01 < kanzure> http://cytoscape.org/index.php
18:01 < kanzure> nice visualization of a big graph in the banner
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18:21 < JayDugger> http://tulip.labri.fr/TulipDrupal/
18:21 < JayDugger> "Tulip is an information visualization framework dedicated to the analysis and visualization of    relational data. "
18:22 < JayDugger> Compare and contrast with gephi.
18:34 < AJollyLife> best domain name of the day "http://www.cure-aging-or-die-trying.com/"
18:35 < kanzure> blah a telomere thing?
18:35 < AJollyLife> oh, im not saying anything about the content...just like the domain name :)
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18:36 < cluckj> ugh, finally forced myself to get twitter
18:36 < AJollyLife> cluckj: i am Jolly on twitter :)
18:37 < cluckj> following you, I think
18:37 < cluckj> I don't have this crap figured out yet
18:38 < AJollyLife> i find twitter the most useful at conferences
18:39 < cluckj> grant was on twitter at h+, I was on irc
18:39 < AJollyLife> its more useful when the conference is not a single track con
18:39 < AJollyLife> but its still nice
18:39 < AJollyLife> esp when the speakers then start responding on twitter
18:40 < kanzure> *ahem*
18:41 < cluckj> hehe
18:43 < cluckj> following you too :)
18:47 < kanzure> uh, no i mean i was replying on twitter during the conference
18:48 < cluckj> haha
18:50 < JayDugger> cluckj, remember you can save searches for twitter, and that hashtags (e.g., #hplus) often make useful keywords on such searches.
18:50 < AJollyLife> yeah, thats super useful. at conferences i tend to have everything with the conference hashtag sent to my phone
18:51 < JayDugger> It also has uses afterward. You can subscribe to a feed of the search, store it in your reader, and search through it afterwards.
18:51 < cluckj> oh, cool
18:51 < AJollyLife> i do it by sending tweets to outlook
18:51 < cluckj> thanks
18:52 < JayDugger> Oh? How do you send tweets to Outlook, AJollyLife?
18:52 < AJollyLife> JayDugger: outtwit
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19:13 < kanzure> http://www.funatiq.com/simply-funny/crazy-math-tattoo/
19:27 < kanzure> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/28/1425242/Facebook-Usage-Hits-16-Billion-Minutes-a-Day?art_pos=17
19:27 < kanzure> "I call BS. There are only 3600 minutes in a day."
19:28 < kanzure> "Given that Facebook usage is currently 16,000,000,000 minutes per day, and that the average life of a human being is approximately 42,048,000 minutes (60 minutes per hour * 24 hours per day * 365 days per year * 80 years of life on average [est.]), this means Facebook effectively sucks up the time-equivalent of the lives of a bit more than 380 people. Every. Single. Day. FACEBOOK MUST BE STOPPED!!!!1!1!1111oneoneone"
19:28 < cluckj> Facebook Killz.
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19:36 < kanzure> JayDugger: thanks for the email
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20:13 < kanzure> heh another guy emailed me about "making kits"
20:13 < kanzure> it's funny how everyone thinks they are the only people doing it
20:15 < QuantumG> what sort of kits?
20:15 < kanzure> fluorescent larvae: http://www.c-perl.com/
20:15 < kanzure> QuantumG: thermocyclers, dna synthesizers, etc.
20:15 < QuantumG> * some equipment not included   or what?
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20:19 < kanzure> QuantumG: wut?
20:21 < QuantumG> when you buy a kit.. often it will say "some equipment not included" and you flip it over and there's a list.
20:21 < QuantumG> often, if not always
20:22 < kanzure> ha i never saw their website before
20:22 < kanzure> http://lava-amp.com/
20:22 < kanzure> "for pennies" -> i heard from the grapevine that it's going to cost $500 or something
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20:34 < kanzure> http://www.cluetrain.com/ i can't figure out the message on this page. seems something like "marketing is still relevant, please hire me" ?
20:35 < genehacker> shoot I need to give pmetzger a list of books to read don't I
20:36 < kanzure> yes
20:37 < genehacker> hmmmm.... you're here all the time right?
20:38 < kanzure> yes
20:38 < kanzure> :(
20:38 < genehacker> I'll just give it to him when he's here
20:39 < kanzure> he's currently hosting a nanotech meeting in nyc
20:39 < QuantumG> "nanotech" or the good kind?
20:40 < QuantumG> I guessing the good kind, being pmetzger
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20:51 < QuantumG> I mention CoS on Twitter and this cock muncher starts following me: @blairrelf
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21:03 < zuul> sup?
21:07 < niftyzero> quantumg: easy on the homophobic remarks
21:09 < QuantumG> umm.. blow me?
21:09 < zuul> lol
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23:17 < fenn> i've noticed the posers usually say "nano-whatever" not "nanotech"
23:18 < fenn> ok somebody put me out of my misery
23:18 < fenn> i just came up with the most twitteriffic idea: M*A*S*H tags
23:19 < fenn> for when one namespace is not enough
23:44 < fenn> huh. "CO2 based data center cooling"
23:44 < fenn> makees sense, it's a liquid, and turns into a gas or solid at room temperature, and is non flammable