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00:18 < AJollyLife> ive considered couch surfing, but never got around to it
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01:11 < JayDugger> Good morning, streety.
01:11 < streety> morning
01:12 < fenn> good morning, eulenspiegel
01:12 < fenn> i finally figured out what this was http://www.flickr.com/photos/23882161@N03/galleries/72157622598778599
01:13 < fenn> there's an awful photoshop of it that got stuck in my head for a few days
01:13 < fenn> er, last photo
01:14 < streety> without the other photos I can imagine it would be difficult to recognise
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06:41 < brunsgenus> Well, I was wanting to know what you all thought about taking the DNA of Turritopsis dohrnii and implementing it on a person using viral treatment? 
06:41 < brunsgenus> ^ anyone have any comments?
06:42 < kanzure> hm
06:42 < brunsgenus> i have other idea on how
06:43 < brunsgenus> but i wanna know someones opinion first
06:43 < kanzure> streety: yeah i never really knew why they bothered with the forum
06:43 < brunsgenus> i know viral treatment is like russian roulette 
06:43 < kanzure> brunsgenus: no, viral gene therapy has improved
06:43 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/gene-therapy/
06:43 < kanzure> ^ read up on it
06:43 < brunsgenus> orly?
06:43 < brunsgenus> last i heard some kids red blood cells exploded lol
06:43 < brunsgenus> well that was the first attempt at it but yeah
06:44 < brunsgenus> kanzure: what do you think of my idea, though
06:45 < kanzure> it seems underdeveloped.. why would you take dna from 'turritopsis dohrnii'?
06:48 < brunsgenus> whenever that jellyfish is about to starve to death it breaks itself back down equivalent to what we were in the womb and makes more jellyfish
06:49 < brunsgenus> kanzure: did you not know that jellyfish existed?
06:51 < kanzure> mighty big leap of assumptions you just made there
06:51 < brunsgenus> yeah i know
06:51 < kanzure> how'd you get from a jellyfish gerontology to wondering if i knew that jellyfishes existed?
06:51 < brunsgenus> I dunno, you said the name in quotes
06:52 < brunsgenus> Also I have ADD
06:52 < brunsgenus> lol
06:53 < brunsgenus> Sorry if I offended
06:53 < brunsgenus> But what do you think of my idea?
06:54 < kanzure> it still seems underdeveloped
06:54 < kanzure> what genes are you going to take out of the dna?
06:54 < kanzure> and what are you going to do with them
06:54 < brunsgenus> here we go, this is what i was wanting to look into
06:55 < brunsgenus> well the reason why I even said use it in viral treatment because, from what I have learned that is almost the only to make such a drastic change on an organism that is already developed and alive
06:55 < brunsgenus> also I havent found out what the genes were
06:56 < kanzure> 'make such a drastic change' yes but what is the drastic change that you want to implement?
06:56 < brunsgenus> another idea is in the 8 celled stage of development taking out the other 7 and putting this DNA in there and then activating it when the fetus is developing
06:56 < kanzure> talking about the jellyfish end-of-life-cycle is pretty vague.. can you be more specific about what you want to do
06:56 < brunsgenus> oh
06:57 < brunsgenus> sorry I forgot to mention it all
06:58 < brunsgenus> well obviously you would have to do some modifying but basically when you hit x aging point you go back to x point in life and yes i know that makes even more questions but i am talking about more so skeletal tissue etc. not neurons
06:58 < brunsgenus> neurons you have to do something else
06:59 < kanzure> "you go back to x point in life" what do you mean by this? time travel??
06:59 < brunsgenus> thats still not all but i wont remember till you ask
06:59 < brunsgenus> x point in life meaning development
06:59 < brunsgenus> Like eh say go back to the point after puberty 
06:59 < brunsgenus> i mean that would be a good genetic marker
07:00 < kanzure> my guess is that you don't know what a genetic marker is :P
07:00 < brunsgenus> nope
07:00 < brunsgenus> :D
07:00 < kanzure> so, what do you know, then?
07:00 < brunsgenus> i know that i like reading and im majoring in biology and micro biology in college, then i have to do stuff after that but as of right now im an undergrad with no biology classes
07:01 < kanzure> have you ever had a biology class
07:01 < brunsgenus> yes?
07:01 < kanzure> okay, just had to ask
07:01 < brunsgenus> :(
07:01 < brunsgenus> i sound that stupid huh?
07:01 < kanzure> well, i like the idea of using something from the jellyfish
07:02 < kanzure> do you have any papers on those genes? or the name of the genes, etc.
07:02 < brunsgenus> no, this is something i was doing like when i was 13
07:02 < brunsgenus> i just came back to it recently
07:02 < brunsgenus> i have been messing around with computers
07:02 < brunsgenus> im bored with those now so i wanna do genetics again
07:02 < brunsgenus> I might be able to gather material if you can specify what exactly you want
07:03 < brunsgenus> otherwise I am going to gather a bunch of interesting-yet-useless information
07:03 < kanzure> http://scholar.google.com/ go forth and search :)
07:03 < kanzure> oh this is "the immortal jellyfish" stuff. righto
07:03 < brunsgenus> alright thanks
07:04 < kanzure> Induction of reverse development in two marine Hydrozoans http://www.ijdb.ehu.es/web/pdfdownload.php?doi=062152js
07:05 < kanzure> yeah if you can find the piraino paper that will probably be revealing.
07:06 < brunsgenus> what do you mean
07:06 < brunsgenus> revealing in what way
07:07 < kanzure> informative?
07:07 < brunsgenus> it was a joke :/
07:07 < brunsgenus> im bad at those
07:07 < brunsgenus> they make me laugh
07:07 < kanzure> Piraino, S. et al. 1996. Reversing the life cycle: medusae transforming into polyps and cell transdifferentiation in Turritopsis nutricula (Cnidaria, Hydrozoa). Biological Bulletin 190: 302-312.
07:09 < brunsgenus> http://www.sciencepub.net/nature/ns0802/03_1279_hongbao_turritopsis_ns0802_15_20.pdf
07:09 < brunsgenus> here
07:10 < brunsgenus> I think this one is a different breed but does the same thing
07:10 < brunsgenus> just for a different reason
07:12 < brunsgenus> yeah this one is after puberty reverts back
07:12 < brunsgenus> i got it confused with erg i forgot the name, its big and long too
07:12 < kanzure> typo: 'organsism' on the first page
07:12 < brunsgenus> Hey maybe he didn't have a good teacher in school.
07:13 < brunsgenus> lol
07:13 < kanzure> or a spellchecker? was this a published article
07:14 < brunsgenus> sciencepub.net
07:14 < brunsgenus> lol
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07:16 < brunsgenus> But this is what I am hoping to pursue after college, maybe sooner if I can get a group of people interested in it with me
07:16 < JayDugger> Good morning. No photoshopped lotus blossoms or Central European tricksters this morning?
07:16 < brunsgenus> hold on ill give you one
07:17 < brunsgenus> http://www.pxleyes.com/images/contests/flower%20heads/fullsize/flower%20heads_4b1ef999a56e9.jpg
07:17 < brunsgenus> there you go
07:17 < brunsgenus> jaydugger ^
07:18 < brunsgenus> kanzure; what do you think?
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07:23 < brunsgenus> kanzure?
07:25 < kanzure> brunsgenus: so far it seems like this jellyfish is significantly understudied
07:25 < kanzure> you'll probably have to do a few whole genome sequencing studies or single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) analyses to figure out how it's different from other jellyfish
07:25 < kanzure> and then study molecular biology for a bit, etc.
07:27 < brunsgenus> :(
07:29 < kanzure> what's wrong with that?
07:30 < brunsgenus> I don't have the resources to do genome sequencing studies
07:30 < brunsgenus> I am just a small town girl
07:30 < brunsgenus> living in a lonely world
07:31 < brunsgenus> lol
07:31 < kanzure> what sort of resources do you think it takes?
07:31 < kanzure> i mean, next year it's going to cost a hundred bucks
07:32 < brunsgenus> It takes money
07:32 < brunsgenus> I just spent 500
07:32 < brunsgenus> and have no job
07:32 < brunsgenus> lol
07:32 < brunsgenus> ugh i am going to have to do freaking computer repairs again lol
07:35 < kanzure> why is that funny?
07:35 < brunsgenus> the irony is funny
07:35 < brunsgenus> I just fixed up an old computer and sold it for 500, then blew that away in a week
07:35 < JayDugger> Are the jellyfish about to go extinct? Are you? If not, then cultivate patience and work on them as fast you can.
07:36 < kanzure> "about to go extinct" wouldn't make sense- he's talking about the 'immortal' jellyfish
07:36 < brunsgenus> jaydugger
07:36 < brunsgenus> I have ADD
07:36 < JayDugger> Unless you're in a race.
07:36 < brunsgenus> lol
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07:36 < kanzure> brunsgenus: can you stop saying "I have ADD"? so does everyone else here.
07:36 < brunsgenus> ADD kids are impatient
07:37 < JayDugger> I don't.
07:37 < brunsgenus> ^
07:37 < brunsgenus> kanzure you are wrong
07:37 < brunsgenus> face.
07:37 < cluckj> hah
07:37 < cluckj> you can learn to be patient
07:37 < brunsgenus> I know
07:37 < kanzure> cluckj: not really
07:37 < brunsgenus> :(
07:37 < kanzure> brunsgenus: you should just get high on adderall (like i do)
07:37 < cluckj> I did it :P
07:37 < brunsgenus> kanzure i have been taking medication since the 2nd grade
07:37 < JayDugger> But my girlfriend does, and that's provided plenty of opportunities for patience.
07:37 < kanzure> in my case, it's ADHD
07:37 < brunsgenus> protip: It doesn't work anymore
07:38 < kanzure> brunsgenus: check if they changed manufacturers on you.. yeah.
07:38 < cluckj> I started and quit taking meds for my ADD in high school
07:38 < JayDugger> nice image of a lotus, BTW.
07:38 < brunsgenus> kanzure: no, just to spite you
07:38 < brunsgenus> jaydugger thank you, I thought you would like it
07:38 < brunsgenus> haha
07:38 < cluckj> I decided that I'd rather fight it with behavior modification than drugs
07:39 < kanzure> "fight it"? why would you want to do that
07:39 < kanzure> wouldn't you want to enhance it?
07:39 < brunsgenus> I have decided that I am not going to participate in discussing ADD
07:39  * brunsgenus sits quietly
07:39 < JayDugger> What's the argument for that?
07:39 < JayDugger> I've never heard one; I am curious.
07:40 < cluckj> kanzure because I like being able to focus sometimes
07:40 < kanzure> it's a common misconception that you can't focus.. just only on the things you actually care about.
07:40 < cluckj> yep
07:40 < cluckj> hyperfocusing
07:41 < brunsgenus> kanzure is correct; its why i havent slept in 3 days
07:41 < brunsgenus> shit sux
07:41 < cluckj> haha
07:41 < brunsgenus> lol
07:41 < cluckj> yeah exactly
07:41 < brunsgenus> and yes, I have gotten to the point of hallucination 
07:42 < brunsgenus> and im all sweaty which means I should shower soon
07:42 < cluckj> kanzure you're doing it with medication, I do it with cigarettes, coffee and behavioral modification
07:43 < brunsgenus> cluckj
07:43 < brunsgenus> thats funny that you mention it
07:43 < brunsgenus> because prior to me drinking coffee, using tobacco or trying to control myself I took medication
07:43 < cluckj> haha
07:44 < brunsgenus> but I have got to say, I took medication the other day and damn it helps a lot more obviously
07:44 < brunsgenus> So where would I go for genome sequencing?
07:44 < cluckj> it's not exactly trying to control myself, it's just changing what I do when I need to focus on something
07:45 < brunsgenus> I zone out if i dont want to do it, i learned to just do it but i wont be all there when im doing it
07:45 < cluckj> I do whatever I don't want to be doing in a way that makes me want to do it :)
07:46 < brunsgenus> oh so like, if you wanted to dip but didnt because of it making your teeth gross you put it between your toes
07:46 < brunsgenus> because that works too
07:46 < brunsgenus> yah know
07:47 < cluckj> lol
07:47 < JayDugger> Time to run errands; goodbye, everyone.
07:47 < brunsgenus> bi
07:47 < cluckj> does it?
07:47 < cluckj> cya
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07:47 < brunsgenus> you can do it under the armpit too
07:47 < brunsgenus> anywhere with soft skin, really
07:47 < cluckj> cool
07:47 < brunsgenus> so where would I go for genome sequencing?
07:47 < cluckj> dipping is really gross though
07:47 < brunsgenus> I mean I just plop the jellyfish down and tell them to have at it?
07:47 < cluckj> what kind of sequencing?
07:47 < brunsgenus> cluckj you are really gross
07:47 < kanzure> you could buy your own machines, build your own, pay money, or get someone at a university or company to do it for you
07:48 < cluckj> probably, yeah
07:48 < cluckj> but I clean up nice
07:48 < brunsgenus> we will see about that
07:48 < brunsgenus> http://www.facebook.com/joncluck?ref=ts
07:48 < brunsgenus> cluckj ^
07:49 < kanzure> haha you actually used that photo
07:49 < brunsgenus> lol
07:49 < cluckj> yep
07:49 < cluckj> hell yeah, it's a great photo
07:49 < brunsgenus> it looks matrix-e
07:49 < brunsgenus> anyways, how much would a machine cost?
07:49 < kanzure> $300 on ebay
07:49 < brunsgenus> orly?
07:49 < kanzure> but those are older models
07:49 < brunsgenus> so not that much
07:49 < brunsgenus> oh
07:49 < kanzure> the new shit costs $25k+
07:50 < brunsgenus> oh...uhm
07:50 < cluckj> I put "haters gonna hate" as the caption because it reminds me of this: http://livingelpaso.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/haters.jpg
07:50 < brunsgenus> Anyone wanna lend me 25k+?
07:50 < kanzure> brunsgenus: i might be able to lend that
07:50 < kanzure> but what are you going to do with it?
07:50 < brunsgenus> cluckj it couldn't be becuase you like channing?
07:50 < brunsgenus> kanzure persue what we were talking about earlier
07:50 < cluckj> ew
07:50 < cluckj> don't insult me
07:51 < cluckj> I just love internet memes
07:51 < brunsgenus> Hey hey...I own a chan
07:51 < brunsgenus> well you can thank chans for internet memes
07:51 < brunsgenus> Do you know what the first internet meme was?
07:51 < cluckj> nope
07:51 < brunsgenus> http://media.photobucket.com/image/dancing%20baby/shanta824/DANCING_BABY.gif
07:51 < brunsgenus> this ^
07:52 < cluckj> awesome
07:52 < brunsgenus> kanzure, tbh I am wanting to get a group of people to work on this specifically
07:52 < kanzure> that is one hell of an ugly guy in that .gif
07:52 < brunsgenus> I don't know who to get into contact with though
07:52 < cluckj> speaking of me being gross, brb
07:53 < cluckj> I want some diy bio yogurt for breakfast
07:53 < kanzure> so why do you think that this jellyfish is a better pursuit of resources than, say, stem cell therapies
07:54 < brunsgenus> because it is already there, or as close as we can get to it. also there are less legal issues to work around than stem cells. anything involving that word gets media attention, the bad press, then they get shut down because of some lame ass politician 
07:54 < brunsgenus> the jellyfish has it out there already and since everything is so closely related on earth already i thought it would be the path of least resistance 
07:55 < kanzure> "it is already there" well not really.. the genetics and developmental biology between jellyfish and humans are ridiculosuly complex
07:55 < kanzure> it's certainly worth studying, yes
07:55 < kanzure> and there might be something interesting in the genes
07:55 < brunsgenus> Well yeah, like i said before it would need modification but it is an untapped potential resource
07:55 < kanzure> but it's definitely not a turn-key thing.
07:56 < brunsgenus> How old are you?
07:56 < kanzure> 20
07:56 < kanzure> you?
07:56 < brunsgenus> I was about to say, this certainly doesn't look like a 20 year old in the picture
07:56 < brunsgenus> lol
07:56 < brunsgenus> I am 19
07:57 < cluckj> mmm
07:57 < kanzure> brunsgenus: facebook sucks. just use my website. http://heybryan.org/
07:57 < kanzure> oh wait. i turned off my server.
07:57 < kanzure> sucks for you
07:57 < brunsgenus> 000chan.org
07:57 < brunsgenus> ^ my site
07:57 < brunsgenus> shit sux
07:57 < kanzure> brunsgenus: you mean gurochan.
07:57 < brunsgenus> guro guro
07:57 < kanzure> would you like some lotion for that burn?
07:58 < brunsgenus> derp
07:58 < brunsgenus> The site went crazy last night after I tried to do some modifications so I had to wipe my most popular board
07:59 < brunsgenus> How much would it cost to get a university or something to do the genome sequencing?
07:59 < kanzure> the costs are dropping quickly
08:00 < kanzure> ten years ago it was about a million dollars
08:00 < kanzure> 5 years ago about $300k
08:00 < kanzure> 3 years ago about $100k
08:00 < kanzure> this year it's about $10k
08:00 < brunsgenus> I am not going to have to wait years am i...
08:00 < brunsgenus> oh damn
08:00 < kanzure> and a few companies are trying to get it under $100
08:00 < brunsgenus> I am not good with that, I will have to try and get it for cheaper
08:00 < brunsgenus> yeah like IBM
08:00 < kanzure> what about IBM? huh?
08:01 < brunsgenus> they claim they will be able to knock it down to 58k
08:01 < brunsgenus> They are joining forces with uhm
08:01 < kanzure> aquaman?
08:01 < brunsgenus> lol
08:01 < brunsgenus> some company so that it can be knocked down cheaper
08:01 < brunsgenus> obviously what is in it for them is the computer software/machine
08:01 < brunsgenus> thats where they make their chunk of change
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08:04 < brunsgenus> building one myself might be the easiest and fastest solution
08:05 < brunsgenus> kanzure: do you know of anyone who would want to research this with me?
08:05 < kanzure> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/would-you-pay-20-for-access-to-a-breast-cancer-cure/
08:05 < kanzure> brunsgenus: us in here :)
08:05 < kanzure> and others. (brb)
08:06 < brunsgenus> orly?
08:08 < brunsgenus> kanzure: so we start at genome sequencing i guess
08:08 < brunsgenus> I can set up an account for us to dump money into/accept donations
08:08 < brunsgenus> to get the ball rolling
08:10 < brunsgenus> Argentina v Germany game
08:10 < brunsgenus> no sound
08:10 < brunsgenus> http://www.justin.tv/llion1
08:10 < brunsgenus> live stream
08:10 < brunsgenus> have fun
08:10 < brunsgenus> if that doesnt work for you guys I have another link
08:14 < brunsgenus> Anyone else watching?
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08:34 < brunsgenus> i love corn dogs
08:34 < brunsgenus> anyways.. kanzure am I right?
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08:39 < brunsgenus> man it is pretty quiet in here...
08:42 < AJollyLife> brunsgenus: woo for add! :)
08:43 < brunsgenus> :D
08:44 < AJollyLife> i just woke up :)
08:44 < brunsgenus> orly?
08:44 < brunsgenus> I havent slept for 3 days
08:44 < AJollyLife> yeah, i tend to go to bed late, and wake up late
08:44 < AJollyLife> modafinil?
08:44 < AJollyLife> or just excited about stuff?
08:44 < brunsgenus> I don't know
08:44 < brunsgenus> I just didn't feel like sleeping
08:44 < AJollyLife> heh. its funny, but when im on add meds, i sleep more
08:44 < brunsgenus> I have to remember to eat/sleep
08:45 < brunsgenus> because i dont get hunger pains
08:45 < AJollyLife> cause otherwise there is too much to research/learn/do and sleep/eating is boring
08:45 < brunsgenus> and i dont feel tired
08:45 < AJollyLife> yeah, im mostly the same way
08:45 < brunsgenus> i dont take medication
08:45 < AJollyLife> been trying to force myself to sleep more though since its good for oyu
08:45 < brunsgenus> i havent for years
08:45 < AJollyLife> medication certainly has its downsides
08:45 < AJollyLife> i took it when i was in school, but dont these days
08:45 < brunsgenus> yeah i try to force myself to sleep but it doesnt work out lol
08:45 < brunsgenus> if i drink heavily i can go to sleep so well
08:45 < AJollyLife> yeah, i usually just keep doing stuff till i'm exhausted
08:45 < brunsgenus> but I have TMJ
08:46 < brunsgenus> and so waking up sucks ass
08:46 < brunsgenus> and i wake up from my teeth scraping together
08:46 < brunsgenus> it suckkks
08:46 < AJollyLife> tmj?
08:46 < brunsgenus> or cracking sounds
08:46 < brunsgenus> yeah
08:46 < brunsgenus> hold on
08:46 < brunsgenus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporomandibular_joint_disorder
08:47 < AJollyLife> cluckj: looking at that photo, it would have worked better if i had you take off your namebadge :(
08:47 < AJollyLife> thanks :)
08:47 < brunsgenus> I am going to show you all my fb
08:47 < brunsgenus> DONT LAUGH
08:47 < brunsgenus> ://www.facebook.com/Jrrdlkdl
08:48 < brunsgenus> I am eating a paper icecream cone in that one
08:49 < AJollyLife> why?
08:50 < brunsgenus> because this girl and i were at chick file
08:50 < brunsgenus> filet
08:50 < brunsgenus> w.e
08:50 < brunsgenus> and she kept telling me to get icecream because she didnt want to be the only one eating one
08:50 < brunsgenus> and i told her icecream was stupid
08:50 < brunsgenus> and we argued
08:50 < brunsgenus> and i caved in and made icecream
08:50 < brunsgenus> and at it, it wasn't very good though
08:50 < brunsgenus> ate*
08:51 < brunsgenus> mostly because it was paper 
08:53 < brunsgenus> oh man...i need to stop talking
08:54 < AJollyLife> lol
08:54 < brunsgenus> trufax, though
08:55 < brunsgenus> so did you read what I was talking about earlier?
08:55 < AJollyLife> a bit
08:55 < brunsgenus> did it sound stupid?
08:56 < cluckj> AJollyLife haha
08:56 < brunsgenus> :(
08:56 < AJollyLife> meh, im not a bioguy, im a computer guy
08:57 < brunsgenus> im kinda of a computer guy
08:57 < brunsgenus> sept i suck ass at programming
08:58 < brunsgenus> so why is everyone quiet?
08:59 < cluckj> I'm getting ready to go out
08:59 < brunsgenus> im not
09:00 < brunsgenus> i wanted to continue talking to kanzure
09:00 < brunsgenus> >:| he left
09:01 < AJollyLife> meh, its a satruday, and this isnt a huge traffic channel
09:01 < cluckj> he's a busy dude
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09:04 < brunsgenus> I wanna go shove a firecracker up a squirrels ass but there are none of them left.
09:04 < bdesk> wat
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09:04 < brunsgenus> lol
09:08 < AJollyLife> anyone here going to the singularity summit?
09:09 < brunsgenus> can i answer if i am not going?
09:09 < AJollyLife> sure
09:09 < cluckj> I think my friend grant is going to try to go
09:09 < brunsgenus> i wanna go :(
09:11 < kanzure> the singularity summit looks lame this year
09:11 < brunsgenus> i bet obama is going and will get an award
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09:14 < kanzure> hi bdesk 
09:14 < bdesk> kanzure: hey, how was scipy2010?
09:14 < kanzure> it went well :)
09:15 < kanzure> i presented on pythonocc
09:15 < kanzure> the enthought guys know their shit
09:15 < bdesk> so it was well organized?
09:15 < brunsgenus> hai
09:15 < bdesk> did you see the bioinformatics talks?  I think galaxy was there.
09:16 < bdesk> brunsgenus: the eschaton is upon us.  make your time.
09:17 < kanzure> no, i didn't see the bioinformatics talks :(
09:17 < bdesk> how many $$$$ of equipment do I need before pythonocc is useful for me?
09:18 < brunsgenus> bdesk, eschaton?
09:18 < bdesk> brunsgenus: it is the singularity.  the end of times as we know them.
09:19 < brunsgenus> OH SHI-
09:19  * brunsgenus runs through time in reverse
09:19 < brunsgenus> AHA
09:20 < kanzure> bdesk: pythonocc can be installed on a regular laptop.. what are you talking about?
09:20 < brunsgenus> why would you want pythonocc?
09:21 < bdesk> kanzure: yes I know it is software, but the purpose of CAD is to design irl things, right?
09:21 < bdesk> i am not good at irl.
09:21 < kanzure> oh are you wondering how to actually build something that you have a CAD file for?
09:22 < bdesk> yes i guess.
09:22 < kanzure> honestly it depends on what the model is.. some things can be plastic molded, other things are meant to be cut from metals
09:22 < kanzure> so let's say it's a plastic part
09:23 < kanzure> you could go to protomold.com and get it injection molded, you could go to ponoko or shapeways to get it "printed"
09:23 < kanzure> or you could build your own cnc machine or 3d printer or whatever it is that you're trying to do
09:23 < bdesk> ok.
09:23 < kanzure> build your own / buy your own, depending on your 'evolved' tastes. :P
09:23 < bdesk> does reprap use this format?  reprap is the only 3d printer i've read about.
09:24 < kanzure> solid geometry cad is like source code, and what reprap uses is like a 'compiled binary object file' called STL
09:24 < kanzure> so do your design in CAD, then convert the file to STL
09:24 < kanzure> CAD -> STL is a very easy conversion.
09:24 < kanzure> STL -> CAD is ridiculously hard and you're talking a few grad students and a phd thesis :P
09:25 < kanzure> pythonocc is better for doing programmatic CAD design
09:25 < kanzure> now if you want to just have a user interface or something, try heekscad
09:25 < kanzure> http://heekscad.org/
09:25 < bdesk> so with pythonocc i could write a python program that makes a widget design programmatically and then pythonocc will also do the conversion to STL?
09:26 < kanzure> yes
09:26 < kanzure> of course, you'll have to call model.to_stl() or something
09:26 < bdesk> and then i could print it with reprap if the design is simple enough.
09:26 < kanzure> yes :)
09:26 < bdesk> and pythonocc and the CAD->STL converter does not need to know anything about reprap.
09:27 < kanzure> correct but sometimes you want to go back and regenerate the STL Mesh
09:27 < kanzure> *STL mesh
09:27 < kanzure> like maybe you want to increase the number of triangles, or something
09:30 < brunsgenus> triangles are stupid >:/
09:30 < bdesk> brunsgenus: eternity is longer than you can imagine.  what finite comforts would you be willing to sacrifice to join us in this infinite utopia?
09:30 < brunsgenus> I have an endless supply of hotpockets....
09:31 < brunsgenus> want those?
09:32 < kanzure> bdesk: wtf are you talking about and why are you talking to brunsgenus about it? O_O
09:32 < brunsgenus> kanzure is it bad to talk to me> :(
09:33 < brunsgenus> You think because I said it, therefore it needs to be discredited?
09:33 < brunsgenus> :(
09:33 < AJollyLife> xena reruns and hotpockets?
09:33 < bdesk> brunsgenus: a true cornucopia awaits.
09:34 < brunsgenus> :D
09:34 < bdesk> brunsgenus: imagine a post-scarcity society.
09:34 < brunsgenus> cheeseburger hotpockets....AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE
09:35 < kanzure> brunsgenus: no, i don't think it's bad to talk to you
09:35 < kanzure> it just doesn't make sense to me
09:36 < brunsgenus> oh
09:36 < brunsgenus> my teeth hurt
09:36 < brunsgenus> I want a fag
09:37 < bdesk> kanzure: you have made irl widgets with pythonocc?
09:40 < brunsgenus> lol i have a retainer
09:40 < brunsgenus> i just took it out
09:40 < brunsgenus> and spit got on my mousepad
09:43 < brunsgenus> fuck
09:43 < brunsgenus> ugh
09:43 < brunsgenus> I just got tricked into going to dinner...
09:44 < brunsgenus> dammit....now i have to buy a bday present
09:52 < brunsgenus> why is it no one in here is admin or operator or anything?
09:56 < kanzure> freenode doesn't want an operator for this channel
09:58 < brunsgenus> why
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10:10 < bdesk> People will be free to devote themselves to activities that are fun, such as programming, after spending the necessary ten hours a week on required tasks such as legislation, family counseling, robot repair and asteroid prospecting.
10:14 < brunsgenus> if you guiz wanna join an irc that is fucking weird (my irc)
10:14 < brunsgenus> irc.789chan.org #000chan
10:15 < brunsgenus> http://000chan.org/b/src/127817731136.gif
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11:05 < kanzure> http://bookhling.wordpress.com/2010/07/03/8bit-tools-of-science/
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11:16 < bdesk> kanzure: what is this "We already have beta versions of synthetic biology CAD program that undergraduates regularly use for their school assignments and private projects"
11:18 < kanzure> lots of bullshit
11:18 < kanzure> clothocad, for instance.. it's really not CAD
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11:33 < bdesk> "Among many possible top-level explanations of Clotho, one of the simplest is the "Clotho Data Structure"-centric view. In this view, biological part data is passed back and forth between Clotho components and to files and databases outside Clotho."
11:35 < bdesk> Their project release was 2008 version 1.0 with no updates or source code repo.  If their selling point is their translations among data formats, then they will have to release a lot more often than this.
11:40 < bdesk> http://clothocad.sourceforge.net/wiki/images/4/42/SynBioToolLandscape.png
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13:44 < kanzure> you know, power rangers was pretty terrible when it came out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkRvn0pXTiw
13:44 < kanzure> but this just explained everything to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIwmbOoNsX0
13:44 < kanzure> also explains the mecha fixation
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16:17 < brunsgenus> hai
16:21 < pmetzger> o hai.
16:21 < brunsgenus> water u doin
16:21 < pmetzger> takin lik a lolcat.
16:23 < brunsgenus> wat....
16:23 < brunsgenus> lolcat...
16:23 < brunsgenus> ..jesus....
16:24 < pmetzger> loljesus iz diffrent
16:24 < brunsgenus> lol u gay
16:24 < bdesk> IN MAH YOUNGR AN MOAR VULNERABLE YEERS MAH FATHR GAEV ME SUM ADVICE DAT I'VE BEEN TURNIN OVAR IN MAH MIND EVR SINCE.  "WHENEVR U FEELZ LIEK CRITICIZIN ANY WAN," HE TOLD ME, "JUS REMEMBR DAT ALL TEH PEEPS IN DIS WURLD HAVEN'T HAD TEH ADVANTAGEZ DAT U'VE HAD."
16:24 < brunsgenus> wat
16:25 < bdesk> teh great lolcatsby
16:25 < brunsgenus> >lolcat is not cool
16:25 < brunsgenus> lol
16:25 < brunsgenus> though i do have a lulcat board on my chan
16:25 < brunsgenus> it autophilters all the words into catspeak
16:25 < brunsgenus> you just have to get the dialect correct
16:25 < pmetzger> <brunsgenus> on my 4chan.
16:26 < brunsgenus> >on my 000chan
16:27 < pmetzger> lolcats are the best thing since sliced plasmids.
16:27 < brunsgenus> http://000chan.org/chz/
16:28 < kanzure> you guys are morons.
16:28 < kanzure> just saying.
16:28 < brunsgenus> :(
16:28 < brunsgenus> i has sad
16:28 < pmetzger> i can haz restriction enzymez?
16:29 < bkero> no restriction enzymez 4 u
16:29 < bkero> kanzure: am I morons?
16:29 < bdesk> i'm installing R on my other computer.  would a moron install R?
16:29 < bkero> Yes
16:30 < pmetzger> I'm reminded of the line from "A Fish Called Wanda"
16:30 < brunsgenus> I am installing ultimate hacking web browser
16:30 < brunsgenus> aka internet explorer
16:30 < brunsgenus> is that srupid?
16:30 < bdesk> pmetzger: that's what i was going for :D
16:30 < brunsgenus> stupid*
16:30 < bdesk> "yes they would bdesk, they just wouldn't know how to use it!"
16:31 < pmetzger> "Apes don't read philosophy" "Yes they do Otto, they just don't understand it." 
16:31 < pmetzger> R irritates me, but it is a good tool.
16:31 < pmetzger> the syntax is irritatingly close to rational, but it is nutty so much of the time...
16:32 < pmetzger> if only it sucked more consistently or failed to suck more consistently.
16:32 < bdesk> yes it is annoyingly good.
16:32 < pmetzger> when I was doing pchem lab, we had this really neat experiment which took ten minutes for the experiment and then weeks for the data crunching
16:33 < pmetzger> we took the uv/vis spectrum of gaseous I2 and then figured out all these properties of I2 from it.
16:33 < pmetzger> I used a set of scripts (including some R) and got better accuracy than the handbooks have.
16:34 < pmetzger> the other people in the class used spreadsheets and laboriously did everything by hand. they never got anywhere near to what I did.
16:34 < pmetzger> and I spent less time.
16:34 < pmetzger> I even did automated peak finding.
16:34 < bdesk> nice
16:34 < kanzure> pmetzger: to be fair, the bar was set pretty low..
16:34 < bdesk> wait how do you know your results are better than the handbook?
16:34 < kanzure> i've been in situations like that.
16:34 < pmetzger> bdesk: because I calculated my error.
16:35 < brunsgenus> Aubrey de Grey is a pretty cool guy
16:35 < pmetzger> the handbook data was all from the 1960s/1970s, and done on equipment that wasn't nearly so good.
16:35 < brunsgenus> I am messaging him on fb lol
16:35 < kanzure> brunsgenus: aubrey responds to just about everyone.
16:35 < pmetzger> Aubrey is a good chap, yes.
16:35 < pmetzger> kanzure: the bar was set low?
16:35 < brunsgenus> he is pretty cool
16:36 < bdesk> if aubrey de grey spends his time responding to people who are naked in front of their computer eating cheetos and talking like a lolcat then how does he have time to research immortality?
16:36 < pmetzger> I've never seen a man who loves his afternoon beer as much as him...
16:36 < pmetzger> bdesk: cloning.
16:36 < kanzure> bdesk: he doesn't do research
16:36 < kanzure> it's primarily the students and labs that do it
16:36 < pmetzger> kanzure: he does. he reads a vast amount of literature.
16:37 < pmetzger> he just doesn't do any lab work, all theory.
16:37 < kanzure> no he doesn't read that much
16:37 < kanzure> have you seen his bibliographies?
16:37 < kanzure> and compared them to what's actually out there
16:37 < kanzure> i mean, yes, he writes papers
16:37 < kanzure> but the bulk of his literature is from earlier
16:37 < pmetzger> kanzure: well, no matter what obscure paper I bring up with him, he's always read it and remembers the contents better than me. :)
16:37 < kanzure> which btw i zipped up here: http://heybryan.org/transhuman/Aubrey.zip
16:37 < pmetzger> he does know his stuff very well.
16:38 < pmetzger> and he seems to spend a lot of time keeping up with the literature.
16:41 < pmetzger> I have my doubts on WILT but I'm not an area specialist. I'm entirely self taught in molbio.
16:41 < pmetzger> big lacunae in my background.
16:41 < bdesk> wilt chamberlain?
16:41 < pmetzger> WILT.
16:41 < pmetzger> anti-cancer strategy aubrey has proposed.
16:42 < bdesk> ah
16:43 < bdesk> i am trained in molbio but i don't know much about transhumanism
16:43 < pmetzger> there isn't much to know about transhumanism.
16:43 < pmetzger> and aubrey's research isn't into transhumanism, it is into life extension. :)
16:44 < bdesk> i see
16:45 < pmetzger> transhumanism just means the notion of using technology to go beyond what humans can naturally do (or even to replace the biological substrait)
16:45 < AJollyLife> id rather have money spent on antiaging/life extension than transhumanism personally
16:45 < pmetzger> substrate
16:45 < pmetzger> but it is an idea, it isn't a research topic.
16:46 < bdesk> living longer goes beyond what humans can naturally do.
16:46 < pmetzger> the research is into things like AI, life extension, augmentation, uploading, etc.
16:46 < bdesk> but w/e the distinction is not important to me.
16:46 < pmetzger> living indefinitely is certainly not something normal humans can do.
16:46 < bdesk> i see that he was the flybase db admin
16:46 < pmetzger> at one point.
16:46 < pmetzger> day job.
16:47 < pmetzger> bbl, going for a bike ride before it gets dark.
16:47 < bdesk> kbye
16:49 < bdesk> i'd rather have money spent on flybase than antiaging/life extension personally.
16:49 < kanzure> "Your Austin Meetup Calendar: 484 Meetups this week!
16:49 < kanzure> well that's useless..
16:49 < kanzure> bdesk: there are lots of youtube-aubrey videos
16:49 < bdesk> kanzure: maybe you could convince them to all meet in one stadium at the same time.
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16:52 < fenn> the first internet meme was "this page is under construction"
16:52  * fenn snickers at the idea of "the first internet meme"
16:54 < fenn> oh, he left
16:55 < fenn> (praise be to his noodly appendage)
16:57 < kanzure> fenn: did you know that power rangers was japanese?
16:57 < kanzure> i'm totally perplexed as to how i could miss that..
17:07 < ybit> that changes everything, japanese power rangers
17:11 < bdesk> so is there a list of the projects that people in this channel are involved with?  i'm from academia and I want to see if i'm missing anything cool.
17:12 < bdesk> i see http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/wiki/Hplusroadmap_wiki
17:12 < kanzure> there's no master list, no.. but there's a master todo list http://designfiles.org/skdb/doc/proposals/trans-tech.yaml
17:12 < kanzure> but now that i look at it, the todo list needs some updating
17:12 < kanzure> bdesk: i used to host hplusroadmap-wiki ("biohack") on heybryan.org until i lost the hdd with the mysql database
17:12 < kanzure> i supposedly still have the hdd somewhere in a closet.. uh..
17:13 < bdesk> ok thanks
17:13 < kanzure> bdesk: if you pester us, we'll assemble a list
17:14 < ybit> no more lists plz
17:14 < kanzure> huh?
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17:14 < ybit> i'm tired of making a list of my projects :P
17:15 < ybit> think what we need is a website that gets people up-to-date on all the projects
17:15 < kanzure> oh boy.. yet another website
17:15 < ybit> yup
17:15 < kanzure> why not just a .txt file
17:15 < ybit> you can make it easier for people to navigate with html
17:16 < kanzure> it's a list, ybit..
17:16 < ybit> i suppose
17:16 < ybit> anywho
17:16 < ybit> bdesk: any particular field you are interested in?
17:17 < bdesk> no i was just wondering which projects are active.  i assume there are a ton of inactive projects for each active project.
17:19 < ybit> you would be correct, sir
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17:31 < brunsgenus> Does anyone have any theories on biological immortality?
17:31 < bdesk> brunsgenus: aubrey de grey
17:31 < bdesk> WILT
17:34 < brunsgenus> another question
17:34 < brunsgenus> fucking magnets, how do they work?
17:34 < kanzure> virtual photons
17:34 < kanzure> (ask feynman)
17:34 < brunsgenus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQWksKNrJm0
17:34 < brunsgenus> ^ fucking magnets how do they work?
17:35 < brunsgenus> kanzure
17:35 < brunsgenus> please watch that
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17:36 < brunsgenus> streetyl
17:36 < brunsgenus> i have a question, please try to answer it after the video
17:36 < brunsgenus> ^ fucking magnets how do they work?
17:36 < brunsgenus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQWksKNrJm0
17:38 < brunsgenus> magic everywhere in this bitch
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18:05 < bdesk> http://www.cs.uku.fi/~katajama/youwouldnt/xyz.gif
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18:09 < kanzure> bdesk: i would..
18:12 < bdesk> skdb has an unfortunate google profile
18:13 < kanzure> yeah i'm no good at naming shit
18:16 < bdesk> i think it's fine, at least the project names are not blatantly scatological.
18:17 < kanzure> scat knowledge db, yo
18:20 < pmetzger> moo
18:20 < pmetzger> bdesk: I'm an academic
18:20 < pmetzger> so much for my bike for a couple of days. cable to the gear hub broke. :|
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19:10 < brunsgenus> cluckj: much like cancer cells, some of the cells present in Turritopsis dohrnii are able to selectively turn certain genes on or off and allow for the genetic programs that were present in earlier stages of the life cycle to be reactivated.
19:10 < brunsgenus> Read more at Suite101: The Immortal Jellyfish: Turritopsis Dohrnii http://fishinsects.suite101.com/article.cfm/the-immortal-jellyfish#ixzz0sfwhNIBx
19:10 < pmetzger> if only we were jellyfish.
19:11 < pmetzger> but then we'd have more trouble using the internet.
19:11 < brunsgenus> I am a jellyfish
19:11 < pmetzger> I had suspected.
19:13 < brunsgenus> You had better watch out, or else I will sting you
19:14 < pmetzger> Thanks. I will remain perpetually on guard for that eventuality.
19:14  * brunsgenus edges towards pmetzger 
19:15  * brunsgenus raises tentacle.....
19:15  * pmetzger removes a cuisinart and a copy of "how to cook jellyfish 800 different ways" from his backpack.
19:15  * brunsgenus glares at pmetzger
19:16 < brunsgenus> you have won this round fair human...
19:16 < pmetzger> there are advantages to being at the top of the food chain.
19:16  * brunsgenus strings pmetzger 
19:16 < AJollyLife> like not having other things eat you?
19:16 < brunsgenus> You have 10 minutes to live
19:16 < brunsgenus> spend it wisely.
19:16 < bdesk> every cell selectively turns certain genes on or off.  this is what transcriptional regulation is.  i guess they are talking about cell 'potency'.  also i wonder if the transdifferentiation also re-elongates the telomeres.
19:16 < pmetzger> strangely, I feel just the same as before.
19:17 < brunsgenus> "Turritopsis undergoes cycles of de-development (return to a pre-adult state, which means it has no long-lived non-dividing cells. We rely on such cells for brain function among other things. Thus, even if we understood the genetic basis of how Turritopsis does ewhat it does (which we don't), we would not want to use it on ourselves. " -Aubrey de Grey
19:17 < pmetzger> they probably get cancers, too.
19:18 < pmetzger> though they might have unusually good mechanisms to stop that.
19:18 < pmetzger> it is generally difficult to avoid cancers if you last long enough though.
19:18 < bdesk> although de-development reverses one aspect of aging, there are other aspects of aging that this might not address.
19:18 < brunsgenus> My friend was talking about studying artificial cancer aimed at neurons in order to make the concentrations of neurons higher in certain regions of brain
19:19 < pmetzger> that's nice.
19:19 < bdesk> cool
19:19 < bdesk> well cool for the mice but i wouldn't want it yet
19:19 < brunsgenus> well, what do you all think about it....
19:19 < pmetzger> It sounds like gobbledygook. :)
19:19 < brunsgenus> lol
19:20 < brunsgenus> I feel bad for mice
19:20 < brunsgenus> I have two ferrets
19:20 < brunsgenus> lol
19:20 < bdesk> do the ferrets eat mice?
19:20 < brunsgenus> They eat ferret food >:|
19:20 < bdesk> but in the wild they eat mice right?
19:20 < brunsgenus> I don't think so
19:20 < pmetzger> do ferrets get artificial brain cancers to increase the number of neurons in their brains?
19:20 < brunsgenus> I saw my ferret eat a cockroach one time
19:21 < pmetzger> they eat mice.
19:21 < brunsgenus> nuh uh
19:21 < brunsgenus> mine dont
19:21 < pmetzger> in general.
19:21 < pmetzger> mice, voles, rabbits.
19:21 < pmetzger> much like cats.
19:22 < brunsgenus> my cats eat catfood
19:23 < pmetzger> I'm sure they do.
19:24 < pmetzger> later.
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19:26 < bdesk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferret_legging
19:27 < brunsgenus> WHAT
19:27 < brunsgenus> lol
19:27 < brunsgenus> I have a ferret in my pants.
19:42 < brunsgenus> http://openwetware.org/images/3/3d/SB_Primer_100707.pdf
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20:01 < kanzure> bdesk: see pm
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21:04 < ybit> where's part 2 and 3 to that?
21:04 < ybit> nice find br
21:05 < ybit> er.., guess he left since tabbing didn't work
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21:17 < brunsgenus> BROCK LESNOR WON
21:17 < brunsgenus> FUCK YES
21:22 < ybit> brunsgenus: do you know if 2 or 3 had been made?
21:23 < ybit> of the synbio primer
21:23 < ybit> +part 2 or 3
21:24 < brunsgenus> no clue
21:24 < brunsgenus> Can you fill me in?
21:26 < brunsgenus> ybit ^
21:27 < ybit> [15:33:31] <brunsgenus> http://openwetware.org/images/3/3d/SB_Primer_100707.pdf
21:28 < brunsgenus> oh I was reading this earlier
21:29 < brunsgenus> eh
21:29 < brunsgenus> I don't think 2 or 3 are on there
21:29 < brunsgenus> only 1
21:29 < ybit> google says the same
21:31 < brunsgenus> I wanna buy the Turritopsis 
21:32 < brunsgenus> ybit when do you think these might be released
21:32 < ybit> dunno, probably best to contact the authors
21:33 < brunsgenus> if i can get a name I can get a phone number
21:33 < brunsgenus> give me a sec
21:34 < brunsgenus> come to think about it....calling someone randomly to ask them this question seems like a bad idea
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