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15:55 < kanzure> hi EmbraceUnity_ 
15:55 < kanzure> "Trailer for the new game BioHack, the synthetic biology puzzle game. Will
15:55 < kanzure> be available August 2010 on the Xbox LIVE Marketplace."
15:55 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYiZIuH08-4
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16:08 < EmbraceUnity_> hi
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16:20 < mheld> still trolling the intarwebs for interesting papers
16:20 < mheld> any thoughts?
16:20 < mheld> maybe biologically inspired AI
16:20 < mheld> non-von neumann architecture
16:24 < EmbraceUnity_> i heard an interesting idea recently, don't know how applicable it is
16:24 < EmbraceUnity_> basically, you have an AI that can sense which areas of its programming need work, and then it automatically sends out job posts to humans to fix up whatever is needed
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17:36 < mheld> if y'all were curious -> http://public.me.com/mheld a repo of my PDFs
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17:40 < kanzure> mheld: likewise: http://designfiles.org/papers/
17:40 < kanzure> your public.me.com thing complains about browsers.. why not just use a file listing?
17:41 < mheld> because I kill computers too often
17:41 < kanzure> would you like to host the files on designfiles.org?
17:41 < mheld> I just lost 10 gigs of PDFs a few weeks ago
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17:42 < mheld> I like the fact that I have everything already on my machine
17:42 < mheld> but feel free to grab my dir
17:42 < mheld> if there was like, a opensource dropbox implementation, that'd be awesome
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20:59 < kanzure> so my family has been giving me shit about open source software development
20:59 < kanzure> they think i'm an idiot for even associating myself with the concept
21:00 < afarris01> why?
21:00 < afarris01> thats odd
21:00 < fenn> you should be making more iphone games
21:00 < kanzure> afarris01: because "intellectual property" is super-well-engrained into everyone's head
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21:00 < jrayhawk> s/games/fart apps
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21:01 < fenn> kanzure: i pestered luke nosek for an hour or so this weekend, we were bouncing around ideas about an electric mach 3 high altitude plane
21:01 < fenn> i was trying to convince him to ignore the idea and switch to rotovator development, but he persisted, so i was like 'meh, ok how about thermophotovoltaics and IR lasers
21:02 < fenn> anyway he's the president of halcyon molecular, so there.
21:02 < fenn> so now you can stop asking 'have you talked with the halcyon molecular guys yet'
21:02 < jrayhawk> perhaps you should point them at literature on the economic concepts of rivalry and excludability and then ask them if they think they should own the air they exhale
21:03 < jrayhawk> Man, privatized air would be awesome. I wonder if Rand ever thought of that.
21:04 < fenn> which rand? the corporation or the personality
21:04 < jrayhawk> Well, either, I guess, but the personality is a lot funnier.
21:05 < fenn> ephemerisle was a blast, it sort of felt like a page out of the 'seasteading simulation role playing game' turned real
21:05 < jrayhawk> Durability, marginal cost, game theory, and decision theory are also good topics to introduce them to.
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21:05 < fenn> i have added 'live on a scratch-built catamaran' to my list of possible life paths
21:08 < fenn> luke also is very into sleep tracking and paying attention to how blue light exposure affects your mood, and "napping pods" which I had just started thinking about a month ago
21:08 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: sleep tracking, napping pods, you have my attention.
21:08 < jrayhawk> if you wish to build a catamaran from scratch, first you must invent the universe
21:09 < fenn> 06/13/2010
21:11 < fenn> Ian_Daniher: sorry, i'm kinda busy and tired to go into a lot of detail, shouldnt really be on irc at all atm... anyway the basic idea is:
21:12 < fenn> it's more efficient to heat/cool/soundproof/squishify the walls of a small volume, so what's the minimum volume needed for comfortable sleeping activities? i arrived at 4x4x8 foot parallellepiped
21:12 < fenn> which conveniently is made from 5 4x8 sheets of each layer of material
21:14 < fenn> anyway luke says he had the best sleep ever in this japanese sleep pod that is temperature controlled and soundproofed and has a white noise generator. also google has some supposedly
21:15 < fenn> anyone know if it's possible to convert thrust (newtons, flying in air) into watts, if you have all the necessary parameters?
21:15 < fenn> (and how do i do it?)
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21:42 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: that falls into the "BAMF" category
21:43 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: which conveiniently overlaps with things I'm interested in making happen
21:43 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: keep me posted & let's chat about it more tomorrow. my interest in this specifically relates towards facillitating polyphasic sleep in the modern world.
21:54 < kanzure> hrm can someone give me some extra motivation to work on csg.py (et al.)?
21:55 < kanzure> "ooh"s and "wow"s would be helpful and examples
21:58 < ybit> wtf
21:58 < ybit> ^ maybe that will help you
21:58 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: csg.py?
22:04 < kanzure> well, actually, step.py- it's just a little pythonl ibrary for exporting STEP files
22:04 < kanzure> *python library
22:05 < kanzure> to be honest it's not something that should be used by a mortal human being, i'm going to have to spend some time writing a wrapper around it
22:05 < kanzure> the wrapper will handle things like the initiliazation of the context units and length measurements
22:05 < kanzure> and hopefully do "evaluation" on the geometry (for operations)
22:06 < kanzure> presumably easier to use than 
22:06 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/Level2API.py
22:07 < kanzure> maybe it would feel like this? http://designfiles.org/~bryan/csg.py
22:09 < kanzure> fenn: parameterized bolts and washers http://brlcad.org/wiki/Hex
22:10 < kanzure> hm i wonder why they used BRLCAD for this 
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22:10 < kanzure> http://brlcad.org/wiki/Projecto_VeRDE
22:10 < kanzure> especially since it was just visualization
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22:20 < fenn> survivability analysis
22:20 < fenn> spacecraft debris is pretty much like being shot at
22:28 < fenn> or maybe they just used it because it was there
22:33 < genehacker> chinese shot another one?
22:37 < kanzure> fenn: is there any way i an convince you to dump some text on http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cadfaq ?
22:37 < kanzure> *anyway i can convince you to
22:40 < ybit> 12:40am.. napping pods sounds wonderful right about now.. tootles everyone
22:40 < kanzure> i primarily wanted to write down my answers to "why not use blender for cad" and "why not just turn blender into a cad kernel" instead of repeating them
22:41 < ybit> blender is nothing like solidworks.. which i've been having to use a lot lately... it would take quite a bit of work to make blender similar
22:41 < kanzure> ultimately they are right- with enough consideration and effort you can turn any piece of software into anything else
22:41 < kanzure> just.. it's a lot of effort ;)
22:42 < ybit> indeed
22:43 < ybit> there's something to toss money @ :)
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23:25 < fenn> i met james hogan today...
23:25 < fenn> (thought that was weird)
23:39 < kanzure> i thought he died
23:39 < kanzure> oh wait, this is the patri friedman james hogan right?
23:44 < fenn> ya
23:54 < fenn> huh, halfway decent concept art http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2115247821/the-relentless-artstead-boat-project?pos=1
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