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01:37 < Utopiah> hmmm was scifoo stream?
01:38 < JayDugger> On fora.tv, I think?
01:41 < Utopiah> I can't find anythin
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03:45 < Utopiah> (Killed by Code: Software Transparency in Implantable Medical Devices - Software Freedom Law Center http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2010/transparent-medical-devices.html Karen Sandler)
03:49 < Utopiah> and OSCON2010 talk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcWlD2Y6HNM
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04:28 < Utopiah> ( Medical Device Security Center  http://www.secure-medicine.org/  A cross-disciplinary research initiative on medical device security, privacy, safety, and effectiveness )
05:06 < JayDugger> kanzure, have you checked Mozilla's Raindrop for overlap with 1kfriendly?
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06:48 < phryk> Hi there
06:48 < phryk> I have a question for you guys :3
06:48 < phryk> Would you like it if you were able to have gills?
06:49 < JayDugger> And lungs too?
06:49 < phryk> yes, both
06:49 < JayDugger> What side effects?
06:49 < phryk> Also: Would you go through gene-therapy to achieve this?
06:49 < Utopiah> phryk: would people I value would dig it?
06:49 < JayDugger> How much does it cost?
06:50 < JayDugger> Do they work in salt water, fresh water, both?
06:50 < phryk> No side effects, only that you have gills, they might be sensible and have to be protected from harsh contact.
06:50 < phryk> JayDugger: Price: Somewhat affordable, but not something you can buy anyday
06:50 < JayDugger> Do they drastically alter my appearance?
06:50 < phryk> Somewhere near a new computer
06:50 < phryk> no
06:50 < phryk> just gills
06:50 < JayDugger> Sure.
06:51 < JayDugger> Cheaper than Lasik, and I had that done.
06:51 < phryk> Maybe somewhere behind your ears, where you have them as embryo or under your breasts somewhere
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06:51 < killall-9> maybe some extra adaptation to be able to dive deep and see in water
06:51 < phryk> Mhh, I thought about doing lasiks too when i can afford it^^
06:51 < JayDugger> Do it.
06:51 < Utopiah> so if the environment does not change (mean... I live in a city on the ground) and my friends find it scary then no, even for free I wouldn't do that.
06:52 < phryk> killall-9: at least some modification to the skin, so you don't get all wrinkly
06:52 < phryk> JayDugger: Still to poor, am just out of that school-thingy that gives me the possibility to go to university
06:58 < JayDugger> Why the question about gills?
06:58 < phryk> Dunno
06:58 < phryk> Well
06:59 < phryk> I was cleaning dishes in my kitchen
06:59 < phryk> I always tend to play around with the water, and I always dreamt of having gills ^^
07:05 < killall-9> just walked out of AC room, feels like swimming in warm soup - so gills OK
07:07 < phryk> ^^
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10:42 < jcluck> kanzure shit, I wish I were at that meeting with jason and y'all about the bioethics stuff D:
10:44 < jcluck> is it alright if I use the transcript that you took?
10:45 < jcluck> I've already read it, but I can keep it "confidential" in my writing if you want
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13:04 < Einstat> kanzure
13:04 < Einstat> you here
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13:33 13:33 < kanzure> jcluck: tito made a comment about me taking the transcript during the meeting< kanzure> jcluck: tito made a comment about me taking the transcript during the meeting

13:33 < kanzure> jcluck: tito made a comment about me taking the transcript during the meeting
13:33 < kanzure> and asked everyone if it was ok
13:33 < kanzure> and they seemed to be ok with me taking the transcript
13:34 < kanzure> i didn't ask about distributing though.. my guess is that it's okay
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13:37 < kanzure> "open scientist" pledge thingy http://ideas.tinyhax.com/pledge
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14:57 < fenn> what is "is it open? princples"?
15:05 < kanzure> something for open access but applied to data
15:05 < kanzure> http://www.isitopendata.org/
15:05 < kanzure> hrm it's a web app?
15:05 < kanzure> i thought there was a "is it open" questionairre thing somewhere
15:06 < fenn> ooo a form letter, pfbblttttt
15:06 < kanzure> guess i'm not presenting meetlog.txt at QS
15:07 < kanzure> next meetup is 2010-08-11 http://www.meetup.com/quantifiedself/
15:07 < kanzure> and gary is out of the office
15:07 < kanzure> so, i spent the night over at raymond mccauley's house
15:08 < kanzure> he was telling these stories about me and how i helped him out in the past O_o
15:09 < kanzure> weird thing is that the other guy in the car was too.. but i've never met josé cordeiro
15:09 < kanzure> weird thing is that the other guy in the car was too.. but i've never met jos� cordeiro
15:10 < kanzure> it turns out josé is a friend of miriam leis ("weak signals scanning task force" for the european parliament)
15:10 < kanzure> it turns out jos� is a friend of miriam leis ("weak signals scanning task force" for the european parliament)
15:10 < kanzure> http://futurovenezuela.net/Cordeiro/
15:16 < jcluck> kanzure, okay
15:16 < jcluck> if I use it, it won't be for a few months
15:17 < kanzure> "use it" wut?
15:17 < jcluck> the transcript
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15:17 < kanzure> yes but what do you mean by use it :P
15:17 < kanzure> anyway i posted a link to it on the diybio list
15:17 < kanzure> so it's fair game now
15:17 < jcluck> quote from it
15:17 < jcluck> ah, cool
15:18 < kanzure> you might want to ask me about the particular quotes though
15:18 < jcluck> quote from it in publication or in public
15:18 < jcluck> haha, k
15:18 < kanzure> it's not.. exactly accurate in some places
15:18 < kanzure> simply because of my inability to type quickly enough
15:18 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/92d27777f7e12b92
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15:19 < jcluck> my advisor got all juiced up because he heard diy bio get a mention at the bioethics commission
15:19 < kanzure> jcluck: check the link i just dropped
15:19 < kanzure> in that email i linked over to the transcripts i took of the bioethics.gov streams
15:19 < kanzure> and there's a handful of diybio mentions
15:20 < jcluck> @_@
15:20 < jcluck> sweet
15:21 < jcluck> thanks
15:21 < kanzure> jcluck: see pm
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15:46 < eridu> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/a-wearable-computer/
16:01 < kanzure> wtf? http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2010/08/things-i-do-for-biohacking-part-1.html
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16:02 < kanzure> http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2010/08/things-i-do-for-biohacking-part-2.html
16:04 < kanzure> oh he's implanting a northpaw?
16:07 < eridu> whoa
16:08 < kanzure> "to my annoyance, i discovered weeks ago that i'd failed to observe this, and thus the nodes in my left two outermost fingers set each other off every now and then when i'm trying to sleep or type or what have you. another fuckup for general education."
16:24 < splicer_> kanzure: It still surprises me how you somehow find this stuff
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16:26 < fenn> YOU'RE DOIN IT WRONG
16:27 < kanzure> yeah i'm not sure his method is all that thoughtful
16:27 < kanzure> http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2010/03/im-retired-from-human-race.html
16:27 < kanzure> http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2010/03/faq.html
16:27 < kanzure> although he does seem to have a lot of "motherfucking bleach"
16:29 < kanzure> hey so what happened to adl.serveftp.org?
16:29 < kanzure> fenn: did you get a chance a few days ago to hide/remove the sinister.com dump?
16:30 < splicer_> fenn: hehe
16:30 < splicer_> kanzure: Reading it and looking at the videos I think it actually may be a girl, there is a mention of a boyfriend somewhere.
16:31 < kanzure> it's a genderbender
16:31 < kanzure> "yeah, i'm bisexual and gender-fluid. my current partner, Muad-Dib, is a d00d."
16:32 < splicer_> ah
16:32 < splicer_> i'm thinking it wrong
16:33 < kanzure> looks like hplusmagazine.com is going to go back on hiatus
16:35 < kanzure> fenn: is there food around here?
16:35 < fenn> for some value of food
16:36 < kanzure> hacker dojo is larger than i expected
16:36 < kanzure> and it's just people sitting around on laptops
16:36 < kanzure> farting around about ruby
16:36 < fenn> yeah :\
16:36 < fenn> davinci has been offline since when you left
16:37 < kanzure> did you see the diygenomics talk the other day by raymond? the one about vitamin b9?
16:37 < kanzure> no, it was back up temporarily
16:37 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/raymond-mccauley.html
16:37 < fenn> yeah
16:37 < fenn> (yeah i saw the talk)
16:37 < kanzure> their vitamin target was clever but i am not sure how well that can scale for other vitamins or other interesting, testable things
16:40 < fenn> "The following side effects have been reported: ...spontaneous production of breast milk, inability to achieve orgasm, seizures, loss of memory, loss of identity, unusual bleeding..."
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16:41 < kanzure> fenn: context?
16:41 < superkuh> Hm. Some sort of dopamine antagonist?
16:41 < fenn> psychiatric medication
16:41 < fenn> from that body mod blog
16:42 < fenn> more from same "so i'm in my third academic year at University now, doing a Bsc Hons in Computing Science. understandably, it gets pretty hard - i'm chewing bitwise C operators right now, and to my shame i still don't exactly understand bitshifts"
16:43 < kanzure> bit shifting is third year these days?
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16:47 < fenn> i dont really get how you're supposed to implant a north paw.. don't the batteries run down?
16:47 < kanzure> yes
16:47 < kanzure> i was expecting to see some inductive coupling going on or something
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16:49 < kanzure> "well, it works on lithiums right now, so i could leave them in there, have them transdermal, or i could get a gyro in there (my Plan A). it's gonna need some working out."
16:49 < kanzure> which was from https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4667295582801858613&postID=6628875769398287520
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16:50 < kanzure> email: lepht@trioptimum.com
16:50 < fenn> doesn't transdermal get infected like mad?
16:51 < kanzure> yes
16:51 < fenn> we just need to get some reindeer  to act as donors
16:51 < kanzure> although julian (joe's julian i mean) has claimed that transdermal wiring has gotten better to the point of not killing you
16:51 < fenn> (antlers are transdermal and can be transplanted)
16:51 < kanzure> however, i haven't read the literature on this
16:52 < fenn> yeah i think this kind of thing needs to be done with a team, one "guinea pig" and the other who knows wtf they are doing
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16:53 < fenn> maybe even 3 people, test subject, engineer, and doctor
16:54 < fenn> so they are going to fish wires around underneath the skin or what? or is it just a magnet?
16:55 < kanzure> what are you asking?
16:55 < kanzure> lepht implanted some neodium disks before already
16:55 < kanzure> and apparently uses glue ball thingies to fill in the space when he removes them in other surgical operations
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16:56  * fenn attempts to travel to mountain view
16:56 < kanzure> as for the chip implant plan i'm not sure
16:59 < kanzure> i feel like such a tool browsing news.ycombinator.com while at hacker dojo
17:07 < jrayhawk> Kanzure: if you put your transcripts in an ikiwiki, we can make formatting and typo corrections.
17:15 < kanzure> jrayhawk: okay i just committed and pushed 'em to diyhpluswiki
17:16 < kanzure> huh but for some reason http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/andrew-hessel-pink-army.html doesn't work?
17:18 < jrayhawk> Hmm. I wonder if I allow those to be published by default.
17:19 < jrayhawk> I can just run 'em though an HTML-to-mdwn converter anyway, I suppose.
17:20 < kanzure> what? are .html files for some reason not allowed to show up
17:20 < kanzure> i guess the default would be an edit-only view 
17:20 < kanzure> and that's why it redirects to secure.diyhpl.us
17:20 < kanzure> ok, got it
17:21 < jrayhawk> Possibly. I was a bit conservative when I set up the Piny defaults.
17:21 < jrayhawk> Since I am anticipating dealing with unwashed masses.
17:21 < jrayhawk> And you're inheriting those defaults.
17:21 < jrayhawk> I'll look into it.
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17:23 < jrayhawk> I guess it wouldn't be conveniently editable in HTML form since nobody's implemented editing-attachments-as-text, so I may as well do the markdown conversion.
17:23 < kanzure> okie dokie
17:26 < kanzure> varPartnerNormal = GetFaceNormalAtMidCoEdge(swPartnerCoEdge)
17:26 < kanzure> If VectorsAreEqual(varThisNormal, varPartnerNormal) Then
17:26 < kanzure> oof.. solidworks :/
17:29 < jrayhawk> Oh yeah, Jules took out autoindexing. I guess that doesn't matter much.
17:30 < jrayhawk> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/
17:31 < kanzure> is there an html-to-mdwn tool
17:32 < jrayhawk> html2markdown in debian
17:32 < jrayhawk> I installed it on gnusha
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18:21 < kanzure> ybit: do you know anthony di franco?
18:21 < ybit> kanzure: no
18:22 < kanzure> he's from the bay area time exchange
18:22 < kanzure> http://sfbace.org/
18:22 < kanzure> oh look he's writing about marcin on that page
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18:25 < ybit> so he's into a new of exchanging wealth as well
18:26 < kanzure> alternative currencies and such
18:26 < kanzure> he showed up at dinner last night after open science summit
18:26 < ybit> what were the best talks?
18:26 < ybit> it's been a crazy weekend for me
18:26 < kanzure> uh
18:27 < kanzure> well, i guess these
18:27 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/92d27777f7e12b92
18:27 < ybit> heh, nice :)
18:27 < kanzure> you should probably read http://gnusha.org/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/diybio-bioethics-commission.html
18:38 < kanzure> i wonder how i'm going to do interactive visualization with step.py...
18:38 < kanzure> the only way i can figure to do that is with opencascade in an opengl session window next to the interpreter
18:39 < kanzure> but the point was to avoid the dependency on opencascade :P
18:43 < kanzure> one way to do it is to write my own triangulation routine to turn it into a .stl
18:44 < kanzure> or write a translator to convert it to openscad input?
18:44 < kanzure> well i guess it isn't too much to ask them to download a heekscad binary
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20:57 < fenn> kanzure: see 192.168.20.14/movies/
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22:23 < eridu> kanzure: "it" isn't a very good pronoun for someone who doesn't identify as one side of the dominant gender binary
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22:35 < jrayhawk> itist!
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