--- Log opened Sun Aug 15 00:00:17 2010 01:15 < Utopiah> video feed? 01:58 < epitron> yeah i wanna see how boring it is too! 02:07 -!- uniqanomaly__ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-87-151.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly__] 02:12 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-87-151.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:19 < fenn> maybe he meant i should be *providing* a live video feed? 03:15 < QuantumG> I was thinking of going to the Australia one next month.. or at least 2 of the 3 days 03:16 < QuantumG> although right now I don't feel like doing anything 04:31 -!- jennifer_ [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:31 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:08 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 05:35 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:33 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:24 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:24 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 07:25 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:30 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:01 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:03 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@rrcs-97-77-35-14.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@rrcs-97-77-35-14.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:25 < Utopiah> http://www.cyber.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/#lifelog 08:35 < kanzure> they should call it a fenn log 08:37 < kanzure> hm they are doing a lot of stuff 09:34 < kanzure> Joseph: wtf you really want to step into H+ board politics? 09:34 < kanzure> Joseph: i have hands full just with my own "teams" crap 09:34 < kanzure> me: your team (tito & eri) sucks 09:34 < kanzure> Joseph: hahaa no shit 09:42 < kanzure> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cartech/giant-robot-arm-used-as-f1-simulator-50000319/ 09:45 < Utopiah> take that Nintendo Wii :-# 10:02 < kanzure> yet more git-based wiki goodness: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1599145 10:06 < kanzure> "My dream for wrestling my profession away from the lawyers and CEOs is the formation of a programmer's union. The union would mainly be concerned with issues like these patents. If such a union existed it would immediately stop the use of software patents." 10:06 < kanzure> "Or companies would just hire overseas programmers..." 10:07 < kanzure> "Global union, man.union" 10:07 < kanzure> "They tried that back in the 1800s. That's where the USSR came from." 10:13 < kanzure> heh okay this is fun http://www.google.com/search?q=%CE%BFracl%D0%B5 10:13 < kanzure> oh fooey 11:03 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:40 < Utopiah> (HOPE http://thenexthope.org/talks-list/ Hacking Our Biochemistry: Pharmacy and the Hacker Perspective) 11:41 < Utopiah> (also How to Run an Open Source Hardware Company and plenty otehrs) 11:47 < kanzure> Utopiah: see http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/b10c670ca3c20843 11:48 < Utopiah> you kept the naughty one too :-# 12:02 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:06 * ybit can't think of the chinese city for manufacturing... 12:06 < ybit> was mentioned in here @ one time.. 12:08 < kanzure> shanzhai? 12:08 < kanzure> shanzhai is for the copycat clones 12:12 < ybit> ah, yeah that's it 12:24 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:39 < bkero> <3 shanzai 12:46 < kanzure> wait, so i have to manually download dependencies on a mac? 12:50 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:18 < fenn> shenzhen 13:18 < fenn> or shanghai 13:31 -!- fenn [~fenn@c-67-180-32-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33 -!- fenn [~fenn@c-67-180-32-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:10 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-72-231-169-163.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:13 -!- ghchinoy [~selar@www.elzemeyer.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13 -!- ghchinoy [~selar@www.elzemeyer.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:18 < kanzure> fenn: how was the summit? 14:42 < fenn> a futurist conference... 14:43 < fenn> i don't know how to do conferences i guess 14:43 < fenn> i dont even know what to talk to people about; i've heard it all 14:44 < fenn> probably the only cool thing i saw was steve's eyetap 14:44 < kanzure> were any of the talks unique or insightful? 14:45 < fenn> none that i saw 14:45 < fenn> i only watched like 5 14:45 < fenn> the talks should have been more like 20 minutes 14:46 < kanzure> today was "smear bryan" day on the humanity+ voting mailing list :P 14:46 < fenn> there were some interesting/horrifying pictures of brain surgery "state of the art" epilepsy treatment which involves cutting out huge chunks of peoples' brains 14:46 < kanzure> politics yo 14:46 < kanzure> "state of the art" i thought was deep brain stimulation 14:49 < kanzure> by "smear bryan" i mean people saying "hur der putting up a file on github isn't going to solve world hunger" 14:50 < kanzure> :P 15:00 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:17 < kanzure> uh well that's weird. is it possible a cookie could have been short circuiting a motherboard? 15:28 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- ferrouswheel [~joel@121-98-81-17.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- pasky [pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:43 -!- pasky [pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:51 < kanzure> hi pasky 15:51 < kanzure> hi ferrouswheel 15:53 < ferrouswheel> heya kanzure 15:55 < kanzure> there's a lot of smear campaigns going on 15:56 < ferrouswheel> kanzure, yeah - it's unfortunate 15:57 < kanzure> what's also a little awkward is that it's hard to distinguish between tom and me on the list 15:57 < ferrouswheel> the hplusvote mailing list? 15:57 < kanzure> except that tom probably has some better writing skills even if his ideas about open source hardware (et al.) are less developed 15:57 < kanzure> yeah 15:58 < kanzure> and in one thread he says one thing, and in another he says another. that's cute. 15:58 < kanzure> (re: MTA/affiliates/religious-opinions) 15:59 < kanzure> i'm glad to see max getting voted in though 15:59 < kanzure> (tom too, but he's actually a little behind) 15:59 < ferrouswheel> hmm, perhaps he's got a politician in him 15:59 < kanzure> i lived with him for a few weeks once 16:00 < ferrouswheel> Same- although I'm particularly excited about Howard... but that's just because of his writing influence 16:00 < ferrouswheel> on me in uni 16:00 < kanzure> yeah i don't know where howard came from to enlist 16:00 < kanzure> someone suggested he do it, i think? 16:00 < ferrouswheel> Chris Grayson nominated him 16:00 < ferrouswheel> he was apparently at the last summit and it struck a chord with him 16:00 < kanzure> it's cool because his books are probably on everyone's shelves 16:01 < ferrouswheel> (Bloomwas at the summit I mean) 16:01 < kanzure> if you could have your pick for the three, who would it be? 16:01 < kanzure> i'm a little surprised (but still glad) that max is getting votes. i thought people would say "one more is enough" (since now natasha & max will both be on the board) 16:02 < kanzure> max and natasha live straight down the street from me, and they are good people who will do their best. still, i thought people would avoid putting two mores on the board 16:03 < ferrouswheel> H. Bloom, Yourself, and probably Max 16:03 < ferrouswheel> Although to be honest... I completely failed to realise that Max and Natasha are together! 16:03 < kanzure> hah :) 16:04 < kanzure> even knowing that, i still voted for max 16:04 < kanzure> they have a thing where they don't like to refer to each other as husband/wife. i don't know if they are married even. 16:04 < ferrouswheel> I'm curious, are there any other smear campaigns I'm missing? I do wonder what Alex is up to, if anything. 16:04 < kanzure> mainly alex 16:05 < ferrouswheel> kanzure, heh - fair enough (and can even understand that - I tend to keep my identity quite separate from that of my partner's) 16:05 < ferrouswheel> you mean the stuff against Alex? yeah, it's not too nice, but he put us in an awkward position. 16:06 < kanzure> the problem thoguh is that to everyone else, it looks like a cover up 16:06 < kanzure> i.e., me, being outside the board, and not having knowledge of what happened 16:06 < kanzure> so if it is a cover up, then alex is getting power played unnecessarily. 16:06 < kanzure> god why do i care about this shit 16:08 < ferrouswheel> to be honest, i'm not sure why i'm not exposing more detail 16:10 < kanzure> i'd like to know (if you'd like to tell me privately) and i could either not spread it or somehow forget that i know you 16:10 < ferrouswheel> One entertaining snippet, he told me "America is a lot bigger than New Zealand" in his own obnoxiously patronising way. 16:11 < kanzure> do you live in new zealand? 16:11 < QuantumG> invasion of the OpenCogers. 16:13 < kanzure> :) 16:13 < kanzure> it's not an invasion, it's a 16:13 < kanzure> hostile takeover?? no, wait 16:14 < ferrouswheel> heh, hey QuantumG 16:15 < QuantumG> how ya been man? 16:19 < ferrouswheel> kanzure, have emailed you... 16:19 < ferrouswheel> QuantumG, pretty good - but this year has mostly been boring contract work 16:19 < kanzure> ferrouswheel: will read in a sec 16:20 < kanzure> this reminds me.. i'm not saying you're doing this or anything, but back in 2008 when i was working in al ab 16:20 < kanzure> *in a lab 16:20 < kanzure> i would email my professor some new results or something 16:20 < kanzure> and then walk down the hall and tell him, "i sent you an email" 16:20 < kanzure> i have no idea why i would do this 16:20 < kanzure> it's absolutely stupid and a waste of time 16:21 < ferrouswheel> although i had a brief foray into creating a start up, but have since decided to continue OpenCog stuff at the HK University 16:22 < kanzure> what was the startup? 16:22 < ferrouswheel> kanzure, heh true 16:24 < ferrouswheel> netempathy.com - basically sentiment analysis and nlp, along with providing an API for such things 16:24 < ferrouswheel> although the API would be a late stage focus... initially we'd be creating a brand and product monitoring webapp 16:25 < kanzure> there's shitloads of that same idea for twitter all over the place 16:25 < kanzure> especially since twitter is such a big data set 16:25 < ferrouswheel> I handing it over to some dev friends here since I've mostly finished the first version of the backend 16:26 < fenn> pine 16:26 < fenn> rawr 16:26 < ferrouswheel> yeah, we were going to start with twitter for a demo and then get a feed via spinn3r or a similar service 16:26 < kanzure> what about pine? 16:27 < kanzure> is spinn3r the text generator thing 16:28 < ferrouswheel> spinn3r aggregates twitter, rss feeds, and other services into a single feed 16:28 < ferrouswheel> (saves dealing with many different APIs and doing the crawling manually) 16:30 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@rrcs-97-77-35-14.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:34 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:36 < kanzure> ferrouswheel: i'm not sure if i should be replying to all of these hplusvote emails or nto 16:36 < kanzure> *or not 16:36 * kanzure reads ferrouswheel's email 16:41 < kanzure> ferrouswheel: funny you should mention the kevin jain fiasco 16:43 < kanzure> well, no it's not. i talked with alex on the phone and took a transcript and now that i look over that section, he didn't really tell me anything that clarifies the situation 16:48 < ferrouswheel> heh, I never got the specific names of people involved. 16:51 < kanzure> kevin jain is the guy running the harvard future society (which technically didn't exist until the conference) 16:54 < ferrouswheel> ah right 16:55 < ferrouswheel> I've been finding it a challenge to keep up with all the happenings from afar (...one of the reasons I resigned). 16:56 < kanzure> in what way was it hard? do they not use email or something 16:56 < kanzure> or were phone calls always scheduled for awful hours of the night? 16:57 < ferrouswheel> Well, only hard to keep up with what happened at the summit and deal with trying to recreate what actually happened re: Alex 16:59 < kanzure> btw were you aware of danila medvedev and the russian transhumanists doing the live over-the-stream translations for the russian population of the summit broadcast? :) 16:59 < ferrouswheel> heh - I wasn't, but that's exceedingly cool! 17:00 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@rrcs-97-77-35-14.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:02 < kanzure> lol goertzel: "Tom has been helping with some Web and editing work on the H+ Magazine, on a volunteer basis, and it would be excellent if he were rewarded for this via a Board seat." 17:02 < kanzure> but what's weird is that those sort of volunteer opportunities were never advertized 17:02 < kanzure> and it's not like i don't hang around and ask :P 17:02 < kanzure> blah. just weird. 17:03 < ferrouswheel> yeah - H+ really needs to coordinate the volunteers better 17:03 < kanzure> paying $7k/month for ken goffman also sounds inappropriate 17:04 < ferrouswheel> other board members said they'd work on it but nothing eventuated... and Alex tended to just recruit people on his own (which is good, but some coordination would have been better) 17:04 -!- vsrinivas [~me@rose.makesad.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:04 < ferrouswheel> Who's Ken Goffman?... oh RU 17:05 < kanzure> yes 17:05 < ferrouswheel> I thought it was a lot less than that... 17:05 < kanzure> uh 17:05 < ferrouswheel> (I wasn't treasurer or involved with the magazine change-over 17:06 < kanzure> i don't know if they kept ken on through the change-over or not 17:08 < ferrouswheel> He is kept on, but I think it's at a much reduced rate... along with other budgetary changes to the H+ magazine 17:16 -!- vsrinivas [~me@rose.makesad.us] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:33 -!- fenn [~fenn@c-67-180-32-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:12 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:14 < kanzure> my alter mom (my mom's twin) linked me over to http://www.ted.com/talks/eva_vertes_looks_to_the_future_of_medicine.html 18:41 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-87-151.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:09 -!- JayDugger [~Jay_Dugge@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:09 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 19:10 < kanzure> hi JayDugger 19:25 < JayDugger> Still haven't caught up from vacation--when do H+ board elections end? 19:27 < kanzure> noon US eastern on 2010-08-28 19:27 < kanzure> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanityplusvote/surveys?id=2314196 19:31 < JayDugger> Thank you. 19:35 -!- fenn [~fenn@c-67-180-32-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:40 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 19:44 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:58 -!- JayDugger [~Jay_Dugge@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 19:59 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:03 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 20:09 < kanzure> fenn: would you like a gnusha.org account for shells and screen and stuff? 20:11 < fenn> ok 20:12 < fenn> noisebridge seems to be having network issues 20:19 < kanzure> see pm 20:33 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-69-179-32.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:41 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-69-160-57.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:52 -!- panax [~p@cpe-72-185-51-10.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: got root?] 20:55 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03 < kanzure> humanity+ is asking "why should people pay us $20 to become members" 21:03 < kanzure> good question 21:04 < kanzure> i don't think a private social networking club would work, because then you're just competing with other far more successful networking platforms 21:04 < kanzure> i don't even know why there's a membership system in the first place 21:18 < kanzure> oh. they should be bargaining me a good deal for 23andme services. 21:18 < kanzure> that'd be hawt and worth $20 21:25 < ferrouswheel> kanzure, great idea! (they should make the deal open to international folk too! too many times I've tried to take a 23andme deal and found it's only open to US residents) 21:26 < kanzure> i sent it out in an email, you should reply with that line about international access 21:27 < kanzure> we could proxy international orders, or barter with 23andme to do international orders 21:27 < kanzure> "bryan this is the 15th time you've ordered from us at 23andme.. each time you're a different gender. is something wrong?" 21:27 < kanzure> "i'm highly mutagenic." 21:33 -!- splicer [~patrik@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:38 < kanzure> ferrouswheel: if you don't want to post it, i will :) 21:40 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:46 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:06 < fenn> you shoulda had that idea yesterday while i was talking to the 23andme guy 22:07 < kanzure> uh, sergey brin? 22:07 < fenn> luke nosek 22:08 < kanzure> i don't think they'd want to know about international dna smuggling 22:08 < kanzure> actually this could be lucrative.. 22:08 < kanzure> Utopiah: yo 22:08 < kanzure> heh 22:09 < fenn> heh 'dna smuggling' 22:10 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@219-89-76-61.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48 < kanzure> fenn: stanley time? 22:50 < kanzure> wtf? luke nosek 22:51 < fenn> prolly his secretary 22:53 < kanzure> whatever 22:59 < ferrouswheel> kanzure, feel free to post the idea - currently too busy to keep track of the H+ stuff... 23:04 < kanzure> okie dokie 23:05 < fenn> weird i dont see anything about 23andme and nosek.. maybe i remembered that wrong, but i'm pretty sure he said 23andme 23:05 < fenn> i notice pathway genomics is on the list of founders fund companies 23:07 < kanzure> pathway genomics got a crapload of funding 23:08 < kanzure> hm they did twilio too 23:09 < kanzure> didn't know founders fund was peter thiel 23:14 < fenn> natively probabilistic computers, designed from the ground up to handle ambiguity, make good guesses, and learn from their experience. Instead of logic and determinism, Navia's hardware and software are grounded in probability distributions and stochastic simulators, generalizing the mathematics of traditional computing to the probabilistic setting. 23:15 < kanzure> fenn: you should also look into http://techstars.com/ http://hackfwd.com/ http://www.founderscoop.com/ 23:16 < fenn> there's only so much of this i can read 23:16 < ferrouswheel> fenn, where is that stuff about Navia? 23:16 < ferrouswheel> That sound imminently useful for OpenCog's AtomSpace. 23:19 < fenn> http://www.naviasystems.com/probabilisticcomputing/circuits.php 23:23 < ybit> noise 23:23 < kanzure> ybit: you should vote for me. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanityplusvote/surveys?id=2314196 23:24 < kanzure> and uh, probably for some others too 23:26 < ybit> yeah, i'm having problems with that 23:26 < kanzure> what are the problems? 23:27 < ybit> something to do with activating web access.. working on it 23:29 < fenn> i can't tell if steve mann is serious about "humanistic rights" or not 23:29 < fenn> "After pulling out my 36-shooter, and emptying the remaining rounds from my film magazine, onto his face and his hand that was eagerly reaching out toward my lens, he was much more cooperative in finding me a manager to shoot instead of him." 23:29 < ybit> while i wait on yahoo and gmail to get along... my guess is that with $40k/year, it's going to take about 10 years to have everything i want here 23:30 < ybit> 23:32 < ybit> okay, now i wait on approval. 23:32 < kanzure> approval will take a long time, so you'll probably have to sleep eventually :P 23:33 < ybit> but i like making noise 23:34 < fenn> A photographer and an audiographer both record a live musician playing. 23:34 < fenn> For some strange reason, the photographer has the rights in the pictures, whereas the subject (the musician) has the rights in the sound. 23:34 < ybit> hrm... so does h+ have money to toss around? 23:34 < kanzure> it has membership fees 23:34 < kanzure> but why does it have a membership system anyway? 23:35 < ybit> i don't pay fees, does this mean i'm not going to be a transhumanist! :'( 23:36 < ybit> that must be an awful lot of money to pay someone $7k/month just to be part of the board 23:36 < ybit> i didn't realize h+ was so big 23:36 < kanzure> huh? to pay someone to be a part of the board? where'd you get that from 23:36 < ybit> 19:03 < kanzure> paying $7k/month for ken goffman also sounds inappropriate 23:36 < kanzure> no, betterhumans llc was paying ken $7k/mo to be the "editor" for hplusmagazine 23:37 < ybit> ah 23:37 < kanzure> someone suggested "make a private members-only list and social network" as a way to make humanity+ relevant 23:37 < kanzure> but honestly that sounds stupid 23:37 < kanzure> because someone else can just outcompete on facebook easily or something 23:38 < kanzure> humanity+ has sort of pidgeonholed itself into being more of a marketing/media toy trying to gain "mainstream acceptance" 23:38 < ybit> i've a feeling i might be a transhumanist before that guy, so i'll keep my money :) 23:38 < kanzure> before what guy? 23:38 < ybit> whoever is making that suggestion 23:39 < kanzure> http://humanityplus.org/about/board/201008elections/ 23:39 < kanzure> so as you note i strategically placed a closing line in my candidate statement :P 23:39 < kanzure> "Transhumanism needs to be more easily hackable and accessible to mainstream audiences." 23:40 < ferrouswheel> I think that was Amy... so a gal not a guy ;p She's already on the board, and that was just a brain storm 23:41 < kanzure> no, it was someone else who replied to her 23:41 < jrayhawk> Seems like h+ would be a decent advocacy and bargaining association, a la NRA and AAA 23:41 < kanzure> jrayhawk: you'd need money to actually do that. 23:42 < jrayhawk> Start small, work your way up. 23:42 < kanzure> the thing that would make the organization more relevant to me is getting grants for projects, funding, etc., and doing really ridiculous incubatory stuff 23:42 < kanzure> but again, the focus lately has been media, marketing, self-promotion 23:44 < kanzure> also it's one of the only membership-based organizations around in the community.. i mean, other than pink army and the majority of its members think it's a scam or something :P 23:44 < kanzure> singinst.org isn't "membership based" 23:51 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what would you like to have bargained? 23:54 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-94-52.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:54 < kanzure> hi uniqanomaly 23:58 < uniqanomaly> hi there --- Log closed Mon Aug 16 00:00:17 2010