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02:39 < JayDugger> kanzure, BAA: What would you like me to do with the link dump you sent?
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05:56 < kanzure> http://www.hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/german-transhumanism-haunted-history
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08:58 < kanzure> http://tonybuser.com/cloudscad
08:59 < Utopiah> Neil is a bit idealistic...
09:00 < kanzure> JayDugger: nothing. you just seemed like you wanted links related to it
09:02 < kanzure> technically most smart phones will do opengl these days..
09:31 < Utopiah> even in developping countries?
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09:52 < kanzure> Utopiah: if they are so-called "smartphones" i think so, yes
09:53 < kanzure> also mesa-gl can run on crap hardware
09:53 < kanzure> especially openscad models which can't be that complex anyway because of the limits of opencsg
09:53 < kanzure> (opencsg rendering limits, i mean)
09:53 < kanzure> but for the record i haven't actually tested this :D
09:54 < Utopiah> Im sure it's technically possible and has great potential, Im just saying his comment is idealistic based on the current availability and usage in such places
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09:55 < Utopiah> Im not even sure you have data contracts there...
09:59 < kanzure> hi dyngnosis 
09:59 < dyngnosis> hello there
10:01 < dyngnosis> I just thought I'd pop in and say hello.  Im a reverse engineer/software security guy who has recently become interested in biohacking/neuroscience
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10:03 < kanzure> dyngnosis: cool :)
10:03 < kanzure> neurosecurity is going to be big :P
10:05 < dyngnosis> a potential major road block even :)... good SKDB talk in the topic btw
10:06 < kanzure> thank you! i've been playing around with nurbs stuff today
10:06 < kanzure> actually, may i ask, what sort of software reverse engineering do you do
10:07 < kanzure> windows? linux?
10:08 < dyngnosis> I do both.  For work I do a lot of binary diffing to find behavioural differences in patched/unpatched systems when a network service is involved.
10:08 < kanzure> ah
10:08 < kanzure> i've been interested in hacking out functionality from the solidworks dll files for a while, mostly for the heck of it
10:08 < dyngnosis> But I've been using gdb with binnavi for a while now so Im comfortable doing elf binaries and macho as well
10:09 < kanzure> and extracting an AES key out of the emotiv epoc software for unencrypting the bluetooth eeg data
10:09 < dyngnosis> I'd take a look at pydbg if I were you
10:09 < kanzure> hm
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10:10 < dyngnosis> a great book called Gray Hat Python will walk you through writing a custom debugger in windows in about 30 lines of code... basically you want to attach to the process, hook the APIs that have your info, read the memory addresses and detach
10:11 < dyngnosis> I'd be happy to help it infact.
10:12 < kanzure> you (and QuantumG) might find this humerous
10:12 < kanzure> humorous
10:12 < kanzure> i was doing some python/ctypes stuff to investigate some symbols in a set of dll files
10:12 < kanzure> but since it's all dll, and i'm linux only, i had to run python under wine
10:12 < dyngnosis> we're talking about decrypting the bluetooth eeg stream data with an AES key right?  You're not cracking the s/w?
10:12 < kanzure> figuring out all of the required parameters is rather difficult without api docs >_<
10:13 < dyngnosis> kanzure, baha.. now that is funny :)
10:13 < kanzure> dyngnosis: well presumably the emotiv epoc exe has the key inside of it, otherwise how is it decrypting the data?
10:13 < dyngnosis> kanzure, I can throw it in IDA pro and dissassemble it for you if you like
10:13 < kanzure> okay, cool
10:13 < kanzure> i might send you the files in a bit. one of my servers is down though so some files might not be available for "a while"
10:15 < dyngnosis> Ok, how much is this hw btw?  I've been considering an eeg for a while but I didnt want to buy something I'd regret later (I need to do a lot more research I think.. for example, can an @home eeg read P300?)
10:17 < kanzure> $300
10:18 < kanzure> a friend shipped his to me so that i could play around with it. i was under the impression that it was much more costly
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10:18 < kanzure> but when the shipping center/store asked me how much to insure it for, i looked it up and was disappointed on the cost
10:18 < kanzure> i mean, disappointed in a good way
10:19 < dyngnosis> hah seriously... 14 chan eeg?
10:19 < dyngnosis> how is the sensitiviy?
10:19 < kanzure> awful
10:19 < dyngnosis> thats what i was worried about
10:19 < kanzure> i don't have any measurements for you (i should have bought a logic analyzer or oscillator)
10:19 < dyngnosis> if Im going to be doing research I don't want to worry about the data being wrong because of bad contact
10:20 < kanzure> but i tried it out on someone else's windows computer and did some of the training.. was not amused with it at all.
10:20 < dyngnosis> I think I may go the OpenEEG/cap+goop method
10:20 < kanzure> oh, the contacts are ok
10:21 < kanzure> i can't seem to find anything called 'behavi'
10:22 < dyngnosis> behavi?
10:22 < kanzure> oh, binnavi
10:22 < kanzure> huge difference. sorry
10:22 < dyngnosis> www.zynamics.com/binnavi.html
10:23 < kanzure> easy to find once i have the right name :x
10:23 < dyngnosis> hehe
10:23 < kanzure> what's with the whitebeard on http://pedram.redhive.com/PyDbg/docs/
10:24 < dyngnosis> hehe that is PaiMei
10:24 < dyngnosis> pydbg is a part of PaiMei
10:25 < dyngnosis> PaiMei is a reverse engineering framework.  pydbg is a component of it.  PIDA is another part (it deals with the exporting the IDA Pro dissassebly into a mysql database that PaiMei works with)
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11:25 < kanzure> http://www.rhino3d.com/nurbs.htm a reasonable overview (a "lost-and-then-found-again" link)
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11:33 < kanzure> "Of course, a lot of interesting-shaped objects couldn't be drawn with just these simple tools, because they had curved parts that weren't just circles or ellipses. Often, a curve was needed that went smoothly through a number of predetermined points."
11:33 < kanzure> "This problem was particularly acute in shipbuilding: although a skilled artist or draftsman could reliably hand-draw such curves on a drafting table, shipbuilders often needed to make life-size (or nearly life-size) drawings, where the sheer size of the required curves made hand drawing impossible."
11:34 < kanzure> "Because of their great size, such drawings were often done in the loft area of a large building, by a specialist known as a loftsman. To aid in the task, the loftsman would employ long, thin, flexible strips of wood, plastic, or metal, called splines. The splines were held in place with lead weights, called ducks because of their resemblance to the feathered creature of the same name (see Figure 1)."
11:34 < kanzure> ^that was from http://www.mactech.com/articles/develop/issue_25/schneider.html
11:34 < kanzure> loftsmen. heh
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11:59 < niftyzero> does anybody know what's the name of the cell machinery that compares 3 strands of DNA and does a majority vote?
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14:26 < fenn> niftyzero: such a thing doesn't exist
14:27 < fenn> "redundant array of inexpensive DNA"
14:27 < niftyzero> ah, maybe I misremembered
14:27 < Utopiah> http://www.ebooksx.com/Handbook-of-Algorithms-for-Physical-Design-Automation_180476.html
14:27 < fenn> deinococcus radiodurans does some interesting stuff with multiple genomes
14:29 < fenn> also if you are thinking about synthesis error correction, church(?) wrote some papers about using slow annealing.. well i cant remember any keywords, sorry
14:29 < fenn> check the logs :P
14:29 < niftyzero> is this room logged?
14:30 < Utopiah> yes
14:32 < niftyzero> hm... it should say so in the topic
14:32 < niftyzero> but anyway, where are the logs?
14:34 < niftyzero> fenn, thank you for the radiodurans pointer
14:35 < Utopiah> http://gnusha.org/logs/
14:36 < niftyzero> thanks :)
14:37  * Utopiah refrained from saying that the URL to the log was in the log too
14:38 < niftyzero> that would have caused the logs to grow without bound
14:38 < niftyzero> not
14:39 < kanzure> wtf is lion kimbro doing showing up in my wxPython search results?
14:39 < kanzure> http://wiki.wxpython.org/wxOGL
14:39  * niftyzero is wget --mirror
14:40 < kanzure> "You have 5 friends in common with lion kimbro: danila medvedev, jay standish, michel bauwens, patri friedman, suresh fernando"
14:42 < kanzure> does anyone know how to do an opengl canvas in wxpython without relying on the wx.EVT_PAINT event binder?
14:50 < kanzure> the code here seems to render with black lines that move all over the object when i'm resizing the window or rotating the objects: http://showmedo.com/videotutorials/video?name=1510030&fromSeriesID=151
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15:00 < kanzure> aha, double buffering fixed my flickering problems nicely
15:00 < kanzure> "By default double buffering is not enabled, which will most likely cause flicker. To enable double buffering pass attribList=[wx.glcanvas.WX_GL_DOUBLEBUFFER] to the GLCanvas constructor."
15:00 < kanzure> ^from http://www.siafoo.net/article/58
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15:35 < kanzure> wish i would have done this sooner.. i'm doing a tiny wxpython/pyopengl visualizer for typing in nurbs objects in an interpreter and seeing their immediate visualization so that i can make sure i'm getting the right general shapes for things
15:36 < kanzure> i really have no idea how to mentally intuit the number of control points, their positions, their weights, and the number of knots and their ordering or repetitions, to get a desired shape
15:50 < kanzure> shepazu: i've been playing around with bezier curves in inkscape and it seems to store beziers as svg:path elements?
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18:26 < kanzure> huh this is a little unexpected
18:26 < kanzure> http://octave.sourceforge.net/nurbs/function/nrbcylind.html
18:26 < kanzure> maybe i'll use octave modules or port over the meat-and-potato
18:27 < kanzure> http://octave.sourceforge.net/nurbs/overview.html#OperationsforconstructingNURBScurvesandsurfaces
18:27 < kanzure>  NRBCYLIND: Construct a cylinder or cylindrical patch.
18:27 < kanzure>  NRBEXTRUDE: Construct a NURBS surface by extruding a NURBS curve.
18:27 < kanzure>  NRBREVOLVE: Construct a NURBS surface by revolving a NURBS curve.
18:28 < kanzure> "Note NURBS surfaces cannot be extruded." wah
18:40 < kanzure> this is also some good stuff:
18:40 < kanzure> http://k3d.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/k3d/k3d/file/a914667d17df/modules/nurbs
18:41 < kanzure> http://k3d.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/k3d/k3d/file/a914667d17df/modules/nurbs_sources
18:41 < kanzure> like: http://k3d.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/k3d/k3d/file/a914667d17df/modules/nurbs_sources/cylinder.cpp
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19:29 < epitron> you were making nurbs surfaces by hand?! :)
19:29 < epitron> and trying to visualize them?
19:33 < kanzure> yes
19:34 < kanzure> i've been writing a STEP exporter in python
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19:34 < kanzure> and nobody is going to use it if they can't see what they are making
19:34 < kanzure> so i need a quick way to visualize the STEP objects
19:35 < kanzure> i've tried a few dead ends already so now i'm just trying to figure out a visualizer that doesn't suck (opennurbs has an awful visualizer)
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19:37 < QuantumG> do you at least have a line-based visualizer?
19:38 < QuantumG> wireframe
19:39 < kanzure> no that comes with the visualizer i'm working on at the moment
19:39 < kanzure> in opengl it's pretty easy to switch between wireframe and "solid"/texture/thingy
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21:03 < kanzure> huh otyp on kickstarter passed their goal?
21:03 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/peyer/hello-world-modern-biotechnology-for-high-schools
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21:26 < kanzure> hi genehacker 
21:26 < genehacker> hello
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22:10 < kanzure> "Right now I'm investigating using OpenSCAD or stl2pov to generate multiple thumbnail images at different angles and using javascript to do a fake object spin, which is pretty fast." 
22:10 < kanzure> i don't think that's a good idea..
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23:04 < drazak> kanzure: do you have calc2 notes in a readable format?
23:05 < kanzure> no, not readable
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23:11 < kanzure> when i was in high school sometimes my calculus class sounded like a massive wall of text
23:11 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20080517013714/heybryan.org/school/Calculus/2007-11-13.html
23:13 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20080517014446/heybryan.org/school/Calculus/2008-01-30.html
23:13 < drazak> holyshit
23:14 < drazak> perhaps I should take some better more readable notes, no?
23:15 < kanzure> here's all of my notes from my second year calculus class:
23:15 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20080515043608/http://heybryan.org/school/Calculus/Calculus_BC_review.html
23:15 < kanzure> i kept saying i would learn to type latex in real time but i never did.. you should try it.
23:15 < drazak> nah, I'll just make mathematica notebooks and export to latex
23:18 < kanzure> btw those were just two extreme examples :) the rest is somewhat legible
23:18 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/*sr_1nr_10/http://heybryan.org/school/Calculus/*
23:20 < drazak> if I stay concentrated and do screw off and do other thigns I can probably take good notes
23:21 < kanzure> note taking in mathematics classes is mostly useless- at least for generic courses like basic calculus..
23:21 < kanzure> frankly, most of the teachers just follow a theorem-and-now-some-examples pattern that is splattered all over the web
23:55 < clemux> I typed latex in real time, during my last 6 months of high school
23:55 < clemux> on an EeePC
23:56 < clemux> this is not nice for fingers/hands.
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23:57 < kanzure> clemux: i can't imagine anything anyone in here does with their hands is healthy
23:57 < clemux> ahah :)
23:58 < clemux> didn't type math though
23:58 < kanzure> typing especially..
23:58 < clemux> only physics/chemistry, and all text-only subjects
23:58 < kanzure> yeah, i did that too.. if my server is up i'd show you some stuff.
23:59 < kanzure> like my biology classes: http://web.archive.org/web/20071128063401/http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/notes/output.html
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