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00:55 < kanzure> http://i.imgur.com/0359H.png
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07:49 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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11:30 < kanzure> hm zach made keyboard pants? http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:589
11:31 < kanzure> i was trying to find the 3D printed keyboard project
11:31 < kanzure> didn't someone print out a set of keys for his keyboard?
11:46 < kanzure> hrm what is DARPA SN-10-67?
11:46 < kanzure> https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=684398643dcaf562dcd150f7e485144d&tab=core&_cview=0
11:47 < kanzure> https://www.schafertmd.com/conference/adaptivemake/registration.php
12:08 < jrayhawk> "Unfortunately it was impossible to solder traces on, and it was equally hard to use conductive thread to join the traces. After a bit of fussing, I abandoned the idea of having a fully functional keyboard and just went for style points. Interestingly enough, the left side of the keyboard still works (its attached to the USB cord still)"
12:08 < jrayhawk> i wonder why he didn't just use two keyboards?
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13:33 < kanzure> "bs3_surface_degree_u  Gets the spline degree in the u direction. " aroo?
13:34 < kanzure> huh? is this dassault? http://doc.spatial.com/index.php/Main_Page
13:35 < kanzure> "RADF R3, a web-enabled development platform, accelerates the development of desktop and cloud-based engineering software applications. CGM, a 3D geometric modeler, provides native interoperability with Dassault Systèmes V5 products."
13:35 < kanzure> http://www.spatial.com/products/radf-3d-development
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14:16 < fenn> hmm don't i have talk materials about qs stuff online somewhere
14:22 < fenn> jrayhawk: that's what i'm doing, cutting two keyboards in half and throwing half of each one away
14:22 < fenn> they're like $4 each
14:22 < fenn> silicone keyboards suck anyway
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14:41 < jrayhawk> USB or bluetooth?
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14:57 < kanzure> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/25/itty-bitty-hydroponi.html
14:57 < kanzure> "The Micro Grow Project's LabBox Grower is a small automated hyrdoponic growing system that uses a microcontroller to automates watering cycles, light schedules, and temperatures. It can be controlled and monitored via the Web or mobile phone, and can tweet about its condition. "
14:59 < kanzure> http://pocketgrow.com/microgrow/
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16:04 < kanzure> these nurbs are making me angry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRaLpHoZA8E
16:05 < QuantumG> as long as they're not making you thirsty
16:06 < kanzure> these data structures make **no** sense
16:06 < QuantumG> which ones in particular?
16:06 < kanzure> who the hell makes a 3D coordinate out of a single fucking integer
16:06 < QuantumG> how do you even do that?
16:06 < QuantumG> 'cept, maybe, by indexing
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16:06 < kanzure> QuantumG: that's what i thought
16:07 < kanzure> except that the first index is a value between 1 and 4
16:07 < kanzure> and then there are two more depths in the array
16:07 < QuantumG> uh huh.. why don't you just go study the math and write code that isn't wacky?
16:07 < kanzure> def __init__(self, p00 = [-.5,-.5], p01 = [.5, -.5], p10 = [-.5, .5], p11 = [.5, .5]):
16:08 < kanzure> coefs = Numeric.zeros((4,2,2), Numeric.Float)
16:08 < kanzure> coefs[3,:,:] = Numeric.ones((2,2), Numeric.Float)
16:08 < kanzure> and eventually: Srf.__init__(self, coefs, [0.,0.,1.,1.], [0., 0., 1., 1.]) (for a different __init__)
16:08 < kanzure> but then: (dim, nu, nv) = cntrl.shape
16:08 < kanzure> if dim < 2 or dim > 4: raise NURBSError, 'Illegal control point format'
16:09 < kanzure> elif dim < 4: self.cntrl = Numeric.zeros((4, nu, nv), Numeric.Float); self.cntrl[0:dim,:,:] = cntrl; self.cntrl[-1,:,:] = Numeric.ones((nu,nv), Numeric.Float)
16:09 < kanzure> so uh, any idea what that ctrl[0] to ctrl[4] is about?
16:09 < QuantumG> control points no doubt
16:09 < kanzure> the comments say: "dim is the dimension valid options are: 2 .... (x,y)        2D cartesian coordinates; 3 .... (x,y,z)      3D cartesian coordinates; 4 .... (wx,wy,wz,w) 4D homogeneous coordinates"
16:11 < kanzure> was this guy using cntrl[0][A] as a way to reference the "x" value of coord A?
16:12 < kanzure> code is here: http://runten.tripod.com/NURBS/Nurbs-0.1.zip
16:12 < kanzure> in Nurbs-0.1/Nurbs/Srf.py 
16:13 < QuantumG> I'll never understand why you're obsessed with using other people's code when you could more quickly code something that isn't stupid. :)
16:13 < kanzure> (in case anyone is wondering yes that's a tripod.com site and this is a terrible mistake on my part)
16:13 < kanzure> partly because there's a huge difference between (1) math documents that try to "explain" it
16:13 < kanzure> and (2) stuff that actually works
16:13 < kanzure> for instance, none of the docs actually explain how to calculate the degree of a nurbs object
16:13 < kanzure> but for some reason that's present in this file
16:14 < kanzure> and it seems to contradict half of the crap i've read
16:14 < kanzure> but it works..
16:14 < kanzure> in truth i'm actually reimplementing it on my own- i could just import these classes and get on with it, but i don't like this guy's code at all
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16:16 < QuantumG> yeah, until you've coded it you don't understand it
16:19 < kanzure> p11 = [.5, .5]; coefs[0:len(p11),1,1] = p11
16:20 < kanzure> there's a diagram with p11 clearly labeled in a corner of an ascii square
16:21 < kanzure> so coefs[0:len(p11)] is suggesting to me that he's using coefs as a list where 0=x, 1=y, 2=z, 3=w (w is an optional weight in nurbsland)
16:21 < kanzure> but why would anyone _do_ that
16:21 < QuantumG> maybe he copied it from some other code
16:21 < kanzure> heh
16:24 < kanzure> wait, no i think i have this wrong again?
16:29 < kanzure> "p11 - 3D coordinate of the corner point"
16:29 < kanzure> p11 = [.5, .5]
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21:59 < kanzure> http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2010/07/whats-the-definition-of-open-source-hardware/
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22:20 < kanzure> hi [X-Pro]Endos 
22:21 < [X-Pro]Endos> hey kanzure
22:22 < [X-Pro]Endos> just curious but, do you have an overseeing PI for your project?
22:22 < [X-Pro]Endos> or is this completely independent?
22:24 < kanzure> independent.. but for a while i was working in a lab on a very similar project
22:25 < [X-Pro]Endos> the biofuel project i was working on had to have a PI because the school wouldn't let us touch chemicals without some sort of supervising professor
22:27 < [X-Pro]Endos> and ultimately didn't work out because some government grant was supporting a company in north carolina to go take all of the used vegetable oil from a ton of restaraunts and ship it to their processing facility... but yeah lol, it's not at all analogous to your project
22:27 < [X-Pro]Endos> i think it's an extremely fascinating project
22:27 < kanzure> i was doing a vegetable oil collection project on campus once.. it was biofuel related
22:28 < [X-Pro]Endos> do you plan to pursue a PhD? or are you going to just try to work on it full time
22:28 < kanzure> i'm not in school at the moment
22:28 < [X-Pro]Endos> ahh, i didn't know
22:29 < [X-Pro]Endos> working on this full time now?
22:29 < kanzure> pretty much. "work" :)
22:30 < [X-Pro]Endos> seems like a worthwhile venture
22:31 < [X-Pro]Endos> do you plan on capitalizing on this at some point?
22:31 < kanzure> world domination
22:31 < [X-Pro]Endos> probably not yet ;) lol
22:31 < [X-Pro]Endos> lol
22:33 < kanzure> well, skdb is supposed to be all open source
22:49 < [X-Pro]Endos> medialab is just a bunch of artists who were engineering majors because they were too afraid of being broke
22:49 < [X-Pro]Endos> they're not real engineers, and their technical capacities are sub-par
22:51 < genehacker> you know the medialab folk?
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23:04 < [X-Pro]Endos> yeah
23:04 < [X-Pro]Endos> a few of them
23:04 < [X-Pro]Endos> my gf is going there this upcoming year lol, so i'll get to know a lot more of them
23:07 < genehacker> so do you have access to the MIT fablab?
23:08 < [X-Pro]Endos> via proxy of my gf yes
23:08 < [X-Pro]Endos> i'll get to see their new glass hamster cage next month when i visit her
23:08 < genehacker> glass hamster cage?
23:09 < [X-Pro]Endos> their new building has so much glass you can see through the building to the building next to it at certain parts
23:09 < genehacker> as in a "fish tank"
23:09 < [X-Pro]Endos> yeah
23:09 < genehacker> so what's your major?
23:09 < [X-Pro]Endos> i'm a grad student studying chemistry
23:10 < genehacker> I see
23:10 < kanzure> (in other words he's completely crazy)
23:10 < genehacker> so he does fluorine chemistry?
23:10 < [X-Pro]Endos> lol
23:11 < [X-Pro]Endos> i'm studying theoretical chemistry
23:14 < genehacker> do you do any computational chemistry ?
23:14 < [X-Pro]Endos> yes
23:14 < [X-Pro]Endos> a lot
23:14 < [X-Pro]Endos> metadynamics and coarse graining
23:16 < kanzure> charmm! chemkin! dalton! gamess! 
23:16 < kanzure> ok i'm running out of crappy names
23:16 < genehacker> I'm a mechanical engineering student so I'm not familar with those?
23:20  * genehacker is trying to evolve some virtual creatures and hoping to get something that might work in the real world
23:20 < [X-Pro]Endos> ahhh
23:20 < [X-Pro]Endos> i'm interested in doing something like that at some point
23:20 < genehacker> hmm... this doesn't look good
23:20 < [X-Pro]Endos> more like microbacteria like mitochondria but they have a genetic update procedure
23:21 < [X-Pro]Endos> (I've used gromacs, charmm, and namd mostly)
23:21 < genehacker> are you hoping to make better mitochondria than mother nature?
23:21 < [X-Pro]Endos> not exactly
23:22 < [X-Pro]Endos> the idea is that eventually it will be possible to express new genes to stimulate the process cell differentiation all over again
23:22 < [X-Pro]Endos> effectively making our cells regenerate
23:23 < [X-Pro]Endos> (there's a jelly fish that does this and it lives forever unless it is mechanically killed)
23:23 < [X-Pro]Endos> i don't think this would make humans live forever
23:23 < [X-Pro]Endos> but the idea is to kind of have a reset button for genetic damage
23:23 < genehacker> I think someone came in here and wanted to do something similar to that
23:24 < [X-Pro]Endos> long before i do that though i would like to use it to deliver gene therapy
23:24 < genehacker> you might also implement something like deinococcus radiotolerans radiation repair mechanism
23:25 < kanzure> hah, yes someone did come in here abuot that
23:25 < kanzure> except he thought he could just eat jellyfish and then live forever
23:25 < kanzure> or some shit like that
23:26 < [X-Pro]Endos> seriously?
23:26 < [X-Pro]Endos> lmao
23:26 < [X-Pro]Endos> that's what the european researcher who discovered the animal thinks he can do
23:26 < [X-Pro]Endos> he takes supplements of this antioxidant they found in it
23:26 < [X-Pro]Endos> personally i think he's just dumb
23:26 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-03.log
23:26 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-04.log
23:27 < kanzure> 06:41 < brunsgenus> Well, I was wanting to know what you all thought about taking the DNA of Turritopsis dohrnii and implementing it on a person using viral treatment? 
23:27 < [X-Pro]Endos> ahhh i hate windows text formatting!
23:27 < kanzure> oh wait, he suggested viral gene therapy
23:28 < genehacker> wait really?
23:28 < genehacker> the research takes supplements like that
23:28 < [X-Pro]Endos> the researcher
23:28 < [X-Pro]Endos> he personally believes it will make him live longer
23:28 < [X-Pro]Endos> my friend was thinking about working for him as a grad student
23:28 < [X-Pro]Endos> and told me about him
23:29 < [X-Pro]Endos> lol
23:29 < [X-Pro]Endos> the problem with implementing another dna repair mechanism is expression and the fact that you can't get rid of the other human repair mechanisms
23:29 < genehacker> that makes sense
23:29 < [X-Pro]Endos> if you have a double-strand break, the normal mechanism of just inserting random nucleotides will take hold
23:29 < kanzure> i'm not sure it's a dna repair mechanism issue
23:30 < [X-Pro]Endos> plus strand breaks aren't the only issues
23:30 < [X-Pro]Endos> you have methylated nucleotides
23:30 < [X-Pro]Endos> halogenated nucleotides
23:30 < kanzure> it was my understanding it was more about developmental biology
23:30 < kanzure> where the jellyfish revert in their life to some previous developmental form
23:30 < [X-Pro]Endos> yeah
23:30 < [X-Pro]Endos> it is
23:31 < [X-Pro]Endos> but the cells go through the process of differentiation all over again
23:31 < [X-Pro]Endos> which causes them to revert
23:32 < [X-Pro]Endos> (them being the organisms, not the cells)
23:32 < [X-Pro]Endos> but yes the cells do too... lol
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