--- Log opened Thu Aug 26 00:00:17 2010 00:06 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:06 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-77.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:20 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-110-194.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:52 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:14 < kanzure> oh foeey i should submit a proposal for transvision2010 shouldn't i 01:18 -!- splicer [~splicer@92.39.2.17] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:18 < kanzure> hi splicer 01:18 < splicer> hi kanzure 01:19 < joshcryer> What are you trying to do with NURBS kanzure? 01:26 < splicer> "Broadband cities... All the top twenty cites were in either Japan or South Korea, with the exception of Umea, in Sweden, which was ranked 18th." 01:26 < splicer> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10786874 01:26 < splicer> That's my town 01:28 < joshcryer> Nice. 01:28 < joshcryer> Pirate much? 01:28 < joshcryer> :) 01:29 < splicer> I was thinking the same thing ;) 01:30 < splicer> The pirates got just below 10% in the last election(which was for the EU parliament) 01:30 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@pd95b50af.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:32 < joshcryer> Is that good? 01:32 < joshcryer> Don't know EU politics. 01:34 < splicer> i think it was about twice the national average(having pirates in the parliament is good yes) 01:34 < joshcryer> Nah, I mean, can they do anything significant at 10%? 01:34 < joshcryer> I've been impressed that they get any votes at all, to be honest (living in the US you don't expect any third parties to win anything). 01:34 < joshcryer> s/10%/just below 10%/ 01:38 < splicer> They got votes because the pirate bay trial was well publicised and people felt it was a travesty of justice. 01:39 < splicer> I think their main function in the parliament is to force other parties to not make totally idotic decisions, a reminder that the constituents actually care about issues like copyright and privacy. 01:44 < joshcryer> So you'd say they provide an effective balance? 01:44 < joshcryer> At the numbers they're currently at. 01:47 < splicer> I think in the EU parlament their influence is far greater than their numbers. Without them it would be far easier to just pass legislation like the HADOPI. 01:52 < joshcryer> kanzure, have you looked in to CSG? 01:52 < joshcryer> splicer, thanks, that's very good to know, I was worried that they would be ineffective. 01:53 < joshcryer> I'll check their wiki page to see if it provides more evidence to this end. 01:56 < joshcryer> Win: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Andersdotter 01:59 < joshcryer> Dang tor appears to be switching identities like mad, anyone have that problem before? 02:04 < splicer> joshcryer: Here is the other MEP, the man is regarded as very competent by the pirates: http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/swedish-pirate-party-to-host-new-wikileaks-servers/ 02:12 < joshcryer> I saw about that, nice move of them. 02:31 -!- nimak is now known as nima 02:31 -!- nima [~nima@adsl-75-45-243-7.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:31 -!- nima [~nima@unaffiliated/nima] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:55 < dbolser> any fb developers? 03:01 < splicer> hehehe 03:15 -!- streety [~s0678364@cpat001.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:54 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:20 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:22 -!- uniqanomaly__ [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-101.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly__] 05:26 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:35 -!- thesnark [~AndChat@241.sub-72-99-148.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:35 < thesnark> Hey all 05:38 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 05:39 -!- any18646644 [~someone@75-121-63-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:42 -!- katsmeow-afk [~someone@75-120-17-81.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:43 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-101.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:07 -!- Utopiah [~libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:08 -!- Utopiah [~libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:12 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:12 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:44 -!- splicer [~splicer@92.39.2.17] has quit [] 07:07 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:07 < kanzure> dbolser: yes i've done facebook development 07:07 < kanzure> joshcryer: yes i've looked into CSG :) basically my framework is this odd fusion between CSG and NURBS 07:09 < kanzure> i should apply this to my meetlog.txt file for clouds and people http://code.google.com/apis/predict/ 07:15 < kanzure> arc attack is selling itself on ebay for $15M http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160473177458#ht_500wt_1154 07:16 < kanzure> publicity stunt? 07:34 < dbolser> kanzure: can I see your code for learning? 07:39 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:41 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-99-2.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:45 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-101.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-101.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- patrik_ [~patrik@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- patrik_ is now known as splicer 08:00 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-99-2.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:23 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-68.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:32 -!- augur_ [~augur@129-2-175-68.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:33 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-68.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:33 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:33 -!- thesnark [~AndChat@241.sub-72-99-148.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:33 -!- augur_ is now known as augur 08:35 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- augur_ [~augur@129-2-175-68.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-68.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:43 -!- augur_ [~augur@129-2-175-68.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49 < Daeken> kanzure: woot, just launched my little epoc hacking fund, so hopefully i'll have hardware in my hands shortly. >:) 09:14 -!- streety [~s0678364@cpat001.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:14 < kanzure> dbolser: no, i was just using pyfacebook + django which has examples as it is 09:15 < kanzure> people recommend these days to use iframes anyway for facebook apps instead of the fbml approach 09:15 < kanzure> Daeken: thesnark was in here for a while.. too bad he dropped out 09:15 < Daeken> ah, damn 09:15 < kanzure> thesnark was the one making a 32-channel openeeg 09:15 < Daeken> oh wow 09:16 < kanzure> and replacing the dsp on the epoc 09:16 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@pd95b50af.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:18 < kanzure> joshcryer: as for what i'm doing with nurbs.. a simple CAD engine. 09:29 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:43 < dbolser> fmbl? 09:44 < dbolser> kanzure: seems fb changed its interface recently, so anything old is now obsolete anyway 09:47 < joshcryer> kanzure, very cool. 09:47 < joshcryer> (well needed missing feature from OSS projects) 09:47 < joshcryer> dbolser, FBs interface is still inadequate. 09:47 < joshcryer> And it will never have the versatility to be useful. 09:48 < dbolser> joshcryer: depends what you define as usefull ;-) 09:48 < dbolser> building a game to hock some ads... 09:48 < dbolser> fb 09:49 < dbolser> for everything else, their's kanzure 09:49 * joshcryer shrugs 09:49 < joshcryer> I only use FB for Farmville. 09:50 < dbolser> ic 09:50 < dbolser> do you know how fv works? 09:51 < dbolser> I had a contact who was tweeting about his fv dev work, but he doesn't respond these days 09:51 < dbolser> I heard that developers of popular internet games need serious security to keep their identity secret! 09:51 < dbolser> (well, I heard about techsupport actually) 09:51 < dbolser> *that 09:51 < joshcryer> No idea. 09:52 < dbolser> np 09:52 < joshcryer> I just know I have an OCD issue with games. ;) 09:52 < dbolser> fv suckerd me too ;-) 09:52 < dbolser> have you seen the 'social media as game' clip that was going round 09:52 < dbolser> ? 09:52 < dbolser> actually posted to me by that contact 09:53 < joshcryer> Nope. 09:54 < joshcryer> I have a built in mechanism to ignore any and all extraneous information. 09:54 < joshcryer> ie, internal ad-block. :) 09:54 < dbolser> you want me to find it for you? 09:55 < dbolser> or will you notice ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUt-163gZI&feature=autofb 09:55 < dbolser> Putting the Fun in Functional: Applying Game Mechanics to Functional Software 10:16 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-70.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:26 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-70.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:37 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:51 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.128] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:54 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.128] has quit [Client Quit] 11:22 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:50 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.188.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:27 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-168-35.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:44 < kanzure> names 12:44 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-168-35.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:48 < drazak> kanzure: did you ever find out how much data your other shit takes up? 12:48 < drazak> kanzure: cause I'll host anything that's not a DMCA violation 13:06 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:08 < kanzure> drazak: right now i just need to find a working box to recover a handful of hard drives 13:38 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@business-213-023-057-067.static.arcor-ip.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:12 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@business-213-023-057-067.static.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:28 < kanzure> webcam microscope mount http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3912 14:30 -!- splicer [~patrik@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:37 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has quit [Quit: got root?] 15:20 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:26 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-85-236.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:30 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-101.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:00 < ybit> this should make you realize the importance of spreading civilization asap... and make you feel sorry for the dinosaurs :) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_d-gs0WoUw 16:16 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 16:22 < ybit> the video is three mins long and it is displaying asteroid discoveries since the 1980s. 16:34 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:35 < QuantumG> nice 16:36 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-110-194.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:46 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-85-236.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:53 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:59 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:59 < [X-Pro]Endos> well if the asteroids have been there for the past several million years, and only one has caused an extinction event, it's not exactly urgent to spread civilization - it would be likely that we would sooner be able to predict and avert an impact before we could colonize other worlds 16:59 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:00 < QuantumG> that's a retarded argument. 17:00 < [X-Pro]Endos> that's a retarded critique 17:00 < QuantumG> "oh, only one of my family have been shot and killed in this neighborhood, we don't really need to move." 17:01 < [X-Pro]Endos> ... families and shootings aren't extinction events 17:01 < QuantumG> the whole point of the video is to point out how ignorant we have been of the threat. 17:01 < QuantumG> .. and, in fact, still are 17:01 < [X-Pro]Endos> well OBVIOUSLY we have been ignorant of the threat, but it's been there since the dawn of man 17:02 < [X-Pro]Endos> yes it's not a question of if, it's a question of when 17:02 < [X-Pro]Endos> but we're a long way off from being able to colonize other planets 17:02 < QuantumG> yah, and when you discover that you've been playing Russian roulette for years without even knowing it, it's time to change the game. 17:04 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-72-70-75-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:04 < [X-Pro]Endos> well since we're in the infancy stages of space exploration, we can just go colonize a suitable planet several hundred light years away 17:05 < [X-Pro]Endos> can't* 17:05 < QuantumG> or, ya know, we could colonize the ones in our own solar system. 17:06 < [X-Pro]Endos> who's to say there aren't asteroids around the orbits of the other planet either? 17:06 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:06 < [X-Pro]Endos> if we are only just beginning to discover the ones around us 17:06 < QuantumG> they are.. you need to be able to both deflect the incoming asteroids and have another basket to put your eggs in 17:09 < [X-Pro]Endos> well maybe in the next several hundred years we'll be able to colonize the other planets in our solar system, but not all asteroid impacts would be mass extinction events, I would think the collission would need to be from near orthogonal trajectories of the planet and the asteroid 17:09 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Client Quit] 17:10 < [X-Pro]Endos> if nothing else we definitely need to have more people looking for asteroids near the planet 17:11 -!- any18646644 is now known as katsmeow 17:12 < QuantumG> yeah, we definitely do.. as for a few hundred years, if we don't start now we'll never do it. (most things are like that) 17:13 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:14 < [X-Pro]Endos> well they did want to put the hubble telescope on the moon originally (or so says a friend who worked on the original apollo programs) but they turned it into a huge political issue of the US colonizing the moon, as ridiculous as that sounds 17:15 < QuantumG> heh, that sounds like a conflation of tradeoffs. There has been an argument for years that a lunar radio telescope on the back side would be great stuff.. but studies have shown that an orbiting telescope in L2 would be superior. 17:16 < QuantumG> as for US colonization of the Moon.. there's no real political issues.. except getting the money to do it. The real problem with that idea is that we have no idea if humans can successfully reproduce in lunar gravity. 17:16 < QuantumG> .. and obviously colonization without reproduction is nonsensical. 17:17 < [X-Pro]Endos> noo, other countries opposed the notion at the time 17:17 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-72-70-75-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 17:17 < QuantumG> uh huh.. what other countries (and what time?) 17:17 < [X-Pro]Endos> it was while the soviet union existed 17:18 < [X-Pro]Endos> so obviously, the soviet union opposed it 17:18 < [X-Pro]Endos> 1990, but they spent a long time planning it 17:18 < [X-Pro]Endos> so probably during the mid 80's 17:20 < [X-Pro]Endos> a family friend told me this so i don't know everything and it was probably an idea that floated around but was shot down real quickly 17:21 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-85-236.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:34 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:38 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:59 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 18:03 < ybit> hi JayDugger 18:03 < ybit> i'll be the test subject to test reproduction on the moon 18:03 < ybit> or one part of it :) 18:03 < genehacker> hmmm... you know it's cold enough on some parts of the Moon for superconductors made of lunar material(magnesium diboride) to exist 18:03 < ybit> sounds like the best science gig i could have :) 18:04 < JayDugger> I'd start low on the evolutionary ladder with that, pref. with some nice radiation-resistant plant. 18:04 < JayDugger> "Some parts" ?= permanent shadow 18:04 < genehacker> makes me wonder if magnesium diboride can occur naturally and there are floating rocks on the moon 18:04 < genehacker> yeah 18:05 < JayDugger> I suppose, but don't know, that you might get very low temperatures simply by rigging a sun shade. 18:05 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:05 < genehacker> coldest recorded temperature on the moon: 30 K 18:06 < genehacker> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17810-moon-is-coldest-known-place-in-the-solar-system.html 18:06 < JayDugger> No real convection, no real atmospheric conduction, and I don't think you'd need much insulation to avoid conduction through the regolith. 18:06 < genehacker> critical temperature of magnesium diboride:39k 18:07 < genehacker> or use magnets so your superconducting cable levitates above it 18:08 < QuantumG> cool, can you build a sub-500kg processing plant and articulate robot to do it? 18:08 < genehacker> magnesium and boron are also relatively abundant on the Moon 18:09 < genehacker> maybe 18:09 < JayDugger> genehacker, do you plan to attend the Make:DFW/Dorkbot meeting on Saturday? 18:09 < genehacker> no 18:09 < genehacker> because I'm not in DFW 18:10 < JayDugger> Oh! my mistake. 18:10 < JayDugger> Never mind... 18:10 < genehacker> magnesium and boron were considered extractable by the advanced automation for space missions study 18:11 < genehacker> I don't know about making a sub 500kg processing plant though 18:12 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:13 < kanzure> JayDugger: genehacker is occassionally in that area, but he's actually close to me most of the time 18:13 < QuantumG> yeah, 500kg is probably excessive for a lander too.. we'll have to see what Project-M achieves 18:13 < genehacker> project M? 18:13 < QuantumG> http://robonaut.jsc.nasa.gov/future.asp 18:15 < genehacker> it's going to be able to walk right? 18:15 < QuantumG> ya 18:15 < genehacker> I know somebody here designed a deployment mechanism for it and it had a robot with legs 18:15 < QuantumG> but the methane lander is what interests me 18:16 < genehacker> how are they powering it? 18:17 < genehacker> batteries? 18:17 < QuantumG> battery, and solar panels in the lander to recharge 18:17 < genehacker> will it have to go back to the lander to recharge? 18:17 < genehacker> ok 18:18 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:19 < genehacker> 500 kg is the most recent estimate for the mass of a lunar replicator seed 18:23 < QuantumG> uh huh 18:24 < genehacker> perhaps with improvements in materials it could be lighter 18:24 < QuantumG> perhaps with actual engineering they would discover it needs to be much bigger. :) 18:25 < QuantumG> check out some of the LUNOX proposals 18:25 < QuantumG> there's plenty in the NASA technical reports server 18:25 < genehacker> LUNOX proposal? 18:25 < QuantumG> making oxygen from lunar regolith 18:26 < QuantumG> but an actual study, with real bending of metal, hasn't been done in decades. And remember, the US has never sent a rover to the Moon. 18:26 < JayDugger> NASA TEchnical Reports Server: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp 18:26 < QuantumG> they've sent how many to Mars now? 18:26 < JayDugger> I beg your pardon? 18:26 < genehacker> 3 18:27 < JayDugger> NASA sent a manned rover to the moon. 18:27 < QuantumG> yes, true :) 18:27 < genehacker> so here's the proposal I'm talking about: 18:27 < genehacker> www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/880Chirikjian.pdf 18:29 < QuantumG> I've read it before, but I'll read it again.. it's been a while. 18:29 < genehacker> he does handwave the whole issue of loss of accuracy by making molds from parts made from molds 18:29 < QuantumG> probably some 3d printing is in order. 18:31 < genehacker> well electron and laser beam melting require closed look control 18:31 < genehacker> *loop 18:31 < QuantumG> I was talking to a guy at ISDC who was advocating making silicon chips on the Moon (actually, whole satellites, with cameras and all). 18:31 < genehacker> how? 18:31 < QuantumG> and I pushed him gentle for the "how" 18:31 < QuantumG> then I pushed him a little less gently 18:32 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:32 < QuantumG> he didn't really know, but his proto-argument was "high vacuum good" 18:32 < QuantumG> .. and there's lots of silicon in regolith 18:32 < QuantumG> which almost sounds like a good start for an argument.. 18:33 < JayDugger> Would that have been Keith Lofstrom at ISDC? 18:35 < QuantumG> it was Philip Crume 18:36 < QuantumG> looking at the schedule, I missed all Keith's talks 18:37 < JayDugger> Darn. I like his ServerSky proposal, but it seems to make no impression. 18:38 < kanzure> fenn: i was looking up brownell and found out that he funded a company called flextronics 18:38 < JayDugger> I've heard of them. :) 18:38 < kanzure> i don't know if you remember from a while back 18:38 < kanzure> 01:56 < fenn> kanzure: what's albert going to be doing now that he graduated? do you know? 18:38 < kanzure> 01:57 < ultraleibniz> he's working for a medical company in houston called flextronics 18:38 < kanzure> (albert and i are doing random software consulting every once in a while) 18:39 < kanzure> JayDugger: have you? 18:40 < JayDugger> They've a plant down the street. 18:41 < kanzure> i'm hanging out with brownell at 9pm tonight.. 18:41 < JayDugger> That might be the contract manufacturer, and not necessarily the same outfit. 18:41 < kanzure> small world effect 18:41 < JayDugger> Big company. 18:41 < kanzure> fenn: you should really post up your "eliminating all of the irrelevant people" thing 18:41 < kanzure> oh i thought they were small. didn't know. 18:43 < JayDugger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flextronics 18:45 < JayDugger> fenn, that sounds interesting--assuming it means attention conservation, and not genocide. :) 18:57 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 18:57 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:20 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.179.66] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-77.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:08 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 20:35 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:45 < QuantumG> who wants to hear me vent? 21:16 < jrayhawk> i love vents 21:17 < QuantumG> a guy on a mailing list I'm on is harassing me 21:17 < QuantumG> he's a professional, on an amateur rocketry mailing list, and thinks everything he says on the list is private communications 21:17 < QuantumG> I've kindly told him that anyone can subscribe to the list, so it's obviously not private.. but today he decided to make a comment and felt the need to say no-one has permission to repeat his comments, and single me out 21:18 < QuantumG> I said "thankfully I don't need your permission" and he repeated that I don't have his permission, so I suggested he might like to go fuck himself. 21:22 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:25 < kanzure> back from dinner with dave and brownell.. not sure if we accomplished anything thuogh 21:25 < kanzure> other than eating 21:28 < QuantumG> genehacker: it's actually 6000kg for the seed, but they suggest it could be scaled down. 21:28 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:29 < QuantumG> and their obsession with building an electromagnetic launcher is diverting 21:29 < joshcryer> Whose obessession? 21:29 < QuantumG> http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/880Chirikjian.pdf 21:30 < eridu> does anyone here have an augmented sensorium? 21:31 < joshcryer> Wait. 21:32 < joshcryer> What is wrong with building a rail launcher? 21:32 < joshcryer> This paper is familiar. 21:32 < joshcryer> Yes, I've read this. I liked the idea! 21:32 < joshcryer> How dare you. 21:33 < kanzure> fenn: they want to do a teleconference call with you sometime next week. monday or wednesday if it has to be anything other than business hours, but business hours otherwise preferred. 21:35 < kanzure> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Bill Claybaugh wrote: 21:35 < kanzure> > You do not have my permission to post my comments on this private forum to 21:35 < kanzure> > any other venue. 21:35 < kanzure> Kindly fuck off. 21:35 < kanzure> heh 21:36 < joshcryer> Haha 21:36 < joshcryer> Are you QuantumG kanzure? 21:36 < kanzure> no 21:36 < QuantumG> I was just telling joshcryer about it. 21:36 < kanzure> i'm on a ridiculous number of mailing lists 21:36 < joshcryer> God I've been awake another damn 30+ hours and the thought was amusing to me. 21:36 < joshcryer> Yeah, he was telling me about it. 21:36 < joshcryer> So great. 21:42 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:49 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:53 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:03 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-110-194.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Aug 27 00:00:17 2010