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00:00 < splicer> Merediths Biopunk manifesto video link: http://artsci.ucla.edu/videos/outlaw_biology/OB5_Meredith_Patterson/
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00:01 < kanzure> oh outlaw biology had videos?
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09:44 < kanzure> http://www.hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/biotech-revolution-must-start-education james from otypes 
09:47 < kanzure> "japanese society for cell synthesis"
09:47 < kanzure> this has a short overview of synthetic biology in japan: http://www.twanetwerk.nl/default.ashx?DocumentID=14241
09:47 < kanzure> http://www-symbio.ist.osaka-u.ac.jp/en/index.html
09:47 < kanzure> http://www.eng.chiba-u.ac.jp/e-grad-school14.html
09:48 < kanzure> http://www.sb.dis.titech.ac.jp/
09:48 < kanzure> http://www.psc.riken.jp/english/group/functional/index.html
09:48 < kanzure> http://www.cdb.riken.go.jp/en/index.html
09:48 < kanzure> http://www.f.waseda.jp/hideo-iwasaki/english.html
09:48 < kanzure> http://www.sbj.or.jp/e/news/news_20091124-1.html
09:51 < dustbin> how's the cad project coming
09:51 < kanzure> i've been finding creative ways to avoid the visualization front-end
09:52 < dustbin> heh
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09:54 < kanzure> part of the reason is that #python told me "you're doing it wrong" when i was doing ipython -wthread for an interactive session while running my visualizer
09:54 < kanzure> they suggested that i write my own interpreter hooks directly into the app itself :/
09:55 < kanzure> so now i've been wondering which way to go.. a relatively "wrong" way (which, uh, we want to keep this clean) but easy way, or spend a lot of time doing things i really don't like doing but will get the job done too?
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10:25 < kanzure> jmil: i suggest using screen for irc
10:25 < jmil> right now?
10:25 < jmil> did i miss something?
10:25 < jmil> don't have time to read irssi manual
10:30 < ybit2> quassel ftw
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10:31 < kanzure> jmil: if you need assistance, feel free to call me while you're first using it (it's not more than 30 seconds)
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10:38 < jmil> kanzure and jrayhawk reprap-dev email done, thx for your feedback
10:39 < jmil> let the flame war begin
10:39 < kanzure> let's hope we don't have another repeat of "pdf vs. git"
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10:40 < jmil> lol no joke
10:40 < jmil> all design files should just be in a single continuous ASCII file
10:40 < jmil> that makes the most sense
10:41 < jmil> we will store it on a usb flash drive
10:41 < kanzure> actually, i'm very anti-pdf for design file storage
10:41 < kanzure> it's ok as an exported file from some other format
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10:42 < jmil> if it's vector graphics, i don't mind it so much. because it's ascii so you can get the data out
10:42 < kanzure> but it's like saying "okay, i made a .sldprt model and here's the stl of the design" "great, can we have the design?" "no. here's the stl"
10:42 < kanzure> nah, people will probably screw up storing vector data in a pdf file
10:42 < jmil> lol true, true
10:42 < jmil> "i convert to pdf by saving my jpeg as pdf... now it's vector right?"
10:50 < kanzure> http://reprap.org/pipermail/reprap-dev/2010-September/000510.html
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11:57 < kanzure> wow pycrust and pyshell are fairly "bulky"
11:57 < kanzure> like:
11:57 < kanzure> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/813571/embedding-a-python-shell-inside-a-python-program
11:57 < kanzure> http://openp2p.com/pub/a/python/2002/07/18/pycrust.html?page=2
11:58 < kanzure> http://www.wxpython.org/ss/pyshell.png
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12:26 < kanzure> "Kind of reminds me of a friend who worked in sales. Whenever he was going to take a client to a restaurant he would always go to the restaurant the day before find a waiter who was going to be there during the lunch meeting and tip heavily so as to be sure of good service during the working lunch."
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14:03 < epitron> kanzure: you ever used reinteract?
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14:19 < kanzure> epitron: no, but i think i've seen a few terminals like that
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14:24 < epitron> it's a lightweight embeddable python shell with re-executable history
14:24 < epitron> you should play with it a bit
14:24 < epitron> the re-executable history is really clever... it maintains dependencies between lines of code
14:25 < epitron> so it only has to re-execute the lines that need it
14:25 < epitron> also, it lets you add a method to an object to have it display graphically in the window
14:25 < kanzure> i'm just going to say screw it and go with ipython -wthread and anyone who complains can just write something better
14:26 < epitron> i still strongly recommend trying reinteract
14:26 < kanzure> okay. i have nothing against tryingi t :)
14:26 < epitron> it will change the way you think about CLIs
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16:27 < kanzure> wtf
16:27 < kanzure> foresight institute gets about $500k/year in donations
16:28 < kanzure> random blog: http://singularity2050.com/
16:36 < kanzure> i wonder where all these people are coming from: http://www.aerogel.org/?p=1149
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16:42 < kanzure> Nanotechnology and the Commons: Implications of Open Source Abundance in Millennial Quasi-Commons (Bryan Buns) http://www.cm.ksc.co.th/~bruns/opennan2.htm
16:46 < kanzure> what was zyvex diamondcad?
16:46 < kanzure> and the "open patent license"?
16:46 < kanzure> Open Sourcing Nanotechnology Research and Development: Issues and Opportunities http://www.cm.ksc.co.th/~bruns/open_mnt.htm
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18:30 < kanzure> tooltip failuer mode BOINC project results http://www.nanohive-1.org/tooltip-failure-mode-search-project-results.html
18:31 < kanzure> *failure
18:31 < kanzure> explanation http://www.nanohive-1.org/tooltip-failure-mode-search-project.html
18:32 < kanzure> so "brian helfrich" wrote nanoengineer-1?
18:33 < kanzure> http://sourceforge.net/projects/nano-hive/
18:33 < kanzure> "I'm no longer maintaining NanoHive-1 nor NanoHive@Home. If you would like to take over either or both of the projects please contact me and I can help you (or at minimum hand over the keys.) --Brian. "
18:33 < kanzure> damn it, guess i should get on that
18:36 < drazak> anyone ever use chembiodraw office?
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19:32 < drazak> superkuh: ever use chembiodraw office?
19:33 < superkuh> No. I've used chemdraw office.
19:33 < drazak> superkuh: I have a chance to get it free, and I'm trying to compare it to other software, but the literature is a little uh, sparkly
19:33 < drazak> same thing, for what I'll be using it for
19:33 < drazak> can I input a structural formula ( OCHCH3 ) and it'll spit out the shape ( the shape of ethanal ) ?
19:34 < superkuh> I don't know. If it is in SMILES.
19:34 < kanzure> isn't there a smiles2png script somewhere?
19:35 < superkuh> I think I remember a database lookup tool that could handle that, or the english name.
19:35 < superkuh> In chemdraw.
19:35 < drazak> superkuh: that would be cool
19:35 < drazak> superkuh: I'd like to use it to expand my notes from o-ghem
19:35 < drazak> superkuh: er, o-chem
19:40 < drazak> I was also looking at chemdoodle
19:41 < drazak> because it /can/ for a /fact/ import from structural formula
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20:24 < kanzure> http://www.twirlip.net/ "Twirlip's wholistic integrated resources linking intelligent peers of the Mists"
20:24 < kanzure> wtf paul
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21:47 < kanzure> http://www.glprogramming.com/red/chapter03.html is helpful for my opengl woes
21:49 < dustbin> that twirlip thing is a bit odd...
21:52 < dustbin> professor fussels graphics class did an excellent job of explaining all the matrix transform theory
21:56 < kanzure> who is professor fussels graphics?
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22:01 < dustbin> professor fussell's graphics class at UT
22:01 < dustbin> he was my adviser for my undergraduate thesis as well
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