--- Log opened Thu Sep 09 00:00:17 2010 00:00 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:06 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: night] 00:14 < jrayhawk> when you decide you don't want to maintain it anymore, you can rename it incommunicad 00:15 < jrayhawk> and proceed to start ignoring all emails 00:17 -!- nima [~nima@adsl-75-45-241-103.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:18 -!- nima [~nima@adsl-75-45-229-170.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:34 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-234-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: they call me 'the big bounce'. in fact, i'm bouncin' right now!] 02:14 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-57-84-81.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@219-89-77-194.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:34 < epitron> hahah.. cadsmere 02:34 < epitron> caddy 02:34 < epitron> you should make a big list and have a vote 03:26 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:28 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:29 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:31 -!- panax [~panax@cpe-72-185-51-10.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:33 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:47 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:53 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:55 -!- ferrouswheel [~joel@121-98-81-17.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:08 -!- ferrouswheel [~joel@121-98-81-17.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:26 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:37 -!- Yossi_ [~Yossi@adsl-75-36-129-165.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:37 -!- Yossi [~Yossi@adsl-76-202-58-203.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:37 -!- Yossi_ is now known as Yossi 06:31 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:35 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:26 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:41 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:56 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:57 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 08:04 < kanzure> hello JayDugger 08:06 < kanzure> boacad? 08:12 -!- patrik [~patrik@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- patrik is now known as splicer 08:14 < splicer> cadzure 08:16 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:21 < kanzure> jrayhawk: maybe i should get a headstart and just start ignoring all emails now? 08:42 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:43 -!- mheld_ [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:45 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:45 -!- mheld_ is now known as mheld 09:21 < kanzure> http://manufacturing.swri.org/ 09:51 < ybit> who wants $50-$150? 09:52 < ybit> if you are willing to make a simple 3 page website... you can make this kind of money!!111 09:54 < bkero> money? 09:54 < bkero> ybit: money!!111 09:55 < ybit> :P 09:55 < ybit> a woman wants me to create a simple 3 page site for her, but i'm too engrossed in my own stuff to even bother 09:55 < bkero> a 3 page site 09:55 < bkero> Do you have details? 09:55 < ybit> yeah 09:56 < ybit> yes i do! 09:56 < bkero> PM? 09:57 < ybit> nah 09:57 < ybit> bkero: http://pastebin.com/4sdbfj60http://pastebin.com/4sdbfj60 09:57 < ybit> whoops 09:57 < ybit> http://pastebin.com/4sdbfj60 09:57 < ybit> srsly, if you just want to copy that frames site, she's fine with that 09:58 < bkero> lol 09:59 * kanzure is trying to resist lolcad 10:00 < bkero> Ok 10:00 < ybit> bkero: you'll do it? 10:00 < ybit> a simple navigation like this would do if you wanted to avoid frames: http://micagraves.com/ 10:01 < ybit> she met this lady while she's been in colorado 10:01 < ybit> anywho, i can give you the images and everything if you are willing to do it 10:01 < ybit> she has plenty of stuff to work with, but she doesn't want all the images up, because she doesn't want to give away everything :P 10:02 < ybit> so, a simple three pages, an about page with a simple description and pic of herself... a commisions/contact page (she has the paragraph written), and a portolio page 10:02 < ybit> where you just do some simple javascript slideshow 10:03 < ybit> simple simple simple... 10:03 < ybit> <- lazy 10:04 < ybit> well, no rush, think long and hard on it :P 10:06 < bkero> ybit: Heh 10:06 < bkero> ybit: Sure 10:06 < ybit> oh wow, okie doke. i'll email you the relevant info and files 10:06 < jmil> kanzure: damn adrian doesn't like one git repo. maybe i will just walk away 10:06 < jmil> i have zero desire to manage all seven repos 10:07 < jmil> it's totally ludicrous 10:07 < jmil> to design a repo for a hypothetical developer we've never met 10:07 < jmil> and make it harder for every current developer because there *might* be someone in the future that can't download 100 MB 10:19 < bkero> ybit: does she want a header? 10:22 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:28 < kanzure> jmil: splitting up the separate projects into separate repositories sounds like an ok idea to me 10:28 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i'm very confused about that email thread 10:28 < jmil> it sounds okay to everyone except the maintainer.... 10:29 < jmil> it's way more complicated 10:29 < jmil> for people to manage on their home dir too 10:29 < jmil> i don't know anyone that wouldn't want the entire thing 10:29 < kanzure> me 10:29 < kanzure> i want mendel.git 10:29 < jmil> even adrian wants it at home but he doesn't understand git 10:29 < kanzure> or huxley.git 10:29 < jmil> but you need electronics too 10:29 < jmil> and miscellaneous 10:29 < kanzure> okay? 10:29 < jmil> and software 10:29 < kanzure> this is why you have package managers 10:30 < jmil> then you have duplicated objects between projects 10:30 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:30 < jmil> so wasted space 10:30 < kanzure> what's the duplicated object? 10:30 < jmil> for the people that are complaining about it taking too much space 10:30 < kanzure> if they are dupes then they should be in a separate project repo 10:30 < kanzure> and just referenced 10:30 < jmil> lol 10:30 < jmil> they are everywhere 10:30 < kanzure> have you done any software development before? i guess i never asked 10:30 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:31 < jmil> http://github.com/jmil/makerbot 10:31 < jmil> http://github.com/jmil/SkeinFox 10:31 < jmil> http://github.com/jmil/skeinforge 10:31 < jmil> http://github.com/jmil/ShareUrMeal 10:32 < jmil> i actually know what i'm talking about... 10:33 < kanzure> skeinforge is not evidence of such :) 10:33 < kanzure> :p 10:42 -!- bkero_ [~bkero2@horace.dionysian-mind.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:42 < jmil> u want to make me 7 new repos? lol 10:43 -!- bkero [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44 -!- bkero_ [~bkero2@horace.dionysian-mind.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:44 -!- bkero_ [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:45 -!- bkero_ is now known as bkero 10:48 < jmil> kanzure: you want huxley.git or huxley.tar.gz? 10:49 < jmil> you want mendel.git or mendel.tar.gz? 10:51 < kanzure> huh? 10:51 < kanzure> why would i want a .tar.gz of a .git 10:57 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:10 < jmil> will you set me up with 7 new repos? 11:10 < jmil> kanzure: ? 11:12 < jmil> jrayhawk: u there? 11:12 < jmil> git clone git://diyhpl.us/reprap 11:12 < jmil> not working 11:12 < jmil> and i need 7 new repos i guess 11:16 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:16 < kanzure> jmil: did you change anything in reprap.git? 11:16 < kanzure> what are the seven new repos that you need? 11:16 < jmil> the seven folders 11:16 < jmil> darwin 11:17 < jmil> electronics 11:17 < jmil> huxley 11:17 < jmil> mendel 11:17 < jmil> reprap 11:17 < jmil> software 11:17 < jmil> users 11:17 < kanzure> uh 11:17 < jmil> but reprap will overwrite the current reprap 11:17 < kanzure> how about prepending reprap to all of those except reparp.git 11:17 < jmil> so that is bad 11:17 < kanzure> *reprap.git 11:17 < kanzure> reprap-darwin, reprap-huxley, reprap-mendel, reprap-software, .. 11:17 < jmil> ok 11:18 < kanzure> before we do that i'd like to figure out why reprap.git is failing me 11:18 < jmil> how do i do the initial push into the /srv/git/XXXX.git folder again? 11:18 < jmil> i think i reset something, not sure what 11:18 < jmil> trying some of adrians bad suggestions 11:19 < jmil> he really doesn't understand git 11:20 < kanzure> git push -force is one way to push to something.git 11:21 < kanzure> commit 52919cbe3e396e78e089d96c1dccb6daeda3e06c 11:21 < kanzure> Merge: 8b958ad 6b23367 11:21 < kanzure> Author: Jordan Miller 11:21 < kanzure> Date: Thu Sep 9 09:38:31 2010 -0700 11:21 < kanzure> Merge branch 'SVN' 11:21 < kanzure> looks like this was your latest commit to reprap.git? 11:21 < jmil> ya that's right 11:22 < jmil> but did git daemon get broken? 11:22 < jmil> cgit looks fine still 11:22 < jmil> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/reprap/ 11:22 < jmil> and it's not caching, so that's accurate 11:24 < kanzure> git clone /srv/git/reprap.git seems to work 11:25 < kanzure> hm git-daemon isn't in /etc/init.d/ i wonder where it's called on bootup 11:25 < jmil> jrayhawk: halp pls 11:25 < jmil> i did git gc --aggressive in ~/reprap/ 11:26 < jmil> then git push --mirror 11:26 < kanzure> what's with you and --mirror? 11:26 < jmil> because how else do you make the .git that has been gc -aggressive overwrite the current .git? 11:26 < kanzure> so did you run those two commands before or after it broke 11:26 < jmil> before 11:26 < kanzure> aha 11:26 < jmil> and after 11:27 < kanzure> when i asked "jmil: did you change anything in reprap.git?" that's what i was hoping you would tell me 11:27 < jmil> oh 11:27 < kanzure> i'm sorta on my lunch break right now :P but i do have a question 11:27 < kanzure> let's say you get those seven reprap project repositories for the different models and projects 11:28 < kanzure> does the reprap-dev team have any sort of capability of referencing parts and projects that are not directly laying next toeach other on the file system 11:29 < jmil> i dunno what you mean 11:30 < kanzure> if two software projects depend on libc, the projects do not just put libc into the dev repos 11:30 < jmil> oh. i think everything is self-contained 11:30 < kanzure> gah 11:31 < jmil> that's my complaint that there's duplicates all around the working tree 11:31 < jmil> so splitting up into separate projects makes the repos bigger, NOT smaller 11:31 < kanzure> why are there duplicates in the first place 11:31 < jmil> i'm gonna maybe just walk away from all this. 11:31 < jmil> you'd have to ask adrian 11:31 < jmil> he won't read email tho :D 11:32 < jmil> he won't respond to that point when i asked him several times in that email thread, either 11:32 < jmil> can't teach old dog... 11:32 < jmil> there's firmware folder in firmware and darwin 11:32 < jmil> and reprap folder doesn't make sense 11:32 < jmil> etc etc 11:32 < jmil> it's an awful working tree 11:33 < jmil> so that's why i want it all in one repo 11:33 < jmil> or a big reason, at least 11:33 < kanzure> is the diff between firmware/ and darwin/firmware/ null? 11:33 < jmil> no. there are differences 11:33 < jmil> but it makes no sense hierarchically 11:33 < jmil> because some of the firmware files are the same 11:34 < jmil> it's fine to have duplicates in the working tree as long as the objects are all stored in the same .git 11:35 < kanzure> i disagree 11:36 < jmil> it's too fluid a design system to make hard links, and the reprap peeps don't know how to do that 11:36 < jmil> makes it too complicated if its onlly 6 mb 11:36 < jmil> and we can't enforce it for all reprap devs 11:36 < kanzure> look, just because they are presently incompetent doesn't mean you need to lower yourself to their standards (or lack thereof) 11:36 < jmil> because their focus is on getting shit done(TM) 11:37 < kanzure> let's fix it 11:37 < kanzure> no, that's not their focus ;) 11:37 < jmil> well i've wasted three or four days on this stuff, you too 11:37 < jmil> and they are incapable of learning 11:37 < kanzure> so far this has been a learning experience for me :P 11:37 < kanzure> in terms of "the reprap-dev team isn't actually what i thought it was" 11:38 < jmil> what u mean? 11:38 < kanzure> just the general lack of workflow management, release cycles, individual packages for separate parts, lack of assemblies 11:38 < jmil> oh ya lol 11:38 < jmil> it's completely disorganized because adrian is always so "busy" 11:39 < jmil> i'm really getting fed up 11:39 < jmil> gonna start my own repo i guess 11:40 -!- amaruk [~freeze@p54B297AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:41 < kanzure> i don't think you understand what i'm saying 11:41 < kanzure> how is your private repo going to be any better than the current version? 11:42 < jmil> in that i don't think i need to get devs to commit with me 11:42 < kanzure> no, i mean the technical structure 11:42 < jmil> i wanted to setup my own repo, if devs send me their code i'm happy to fold it in 11:42 < kanzure> i'm not talking about social stuff here.. 11:42 < jmil> oh 11:43 < jmil> i don't care about techical structure *at all* 11:43 < kanzure> oh god 11:43 < jmil> i just want to be able to build reprap without having to go online 11:43 < kanzure> really? 11:43 < jmil> and keep records/copies of the design files 11:43 < jmil> al 11:43 < jmil> l of 11:43 < jmil> them 11:43 < kanzure> ok 11:43 < kanzure> fenn: are you back yet? 11:43 < jmil> and the rev history 11:43 < jmil> if they designed it better, all the better. but adrian is like talking to a brick wall 11:44 < jmil> he won't listen, always designing 30 years ahead of time 11:49 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 11:50 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:18 -!- shepazu [~schepers@mb20736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:19 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:26 < kanzure> maybe wolfgang has some insight into qi hardware repo structuring 12:37 -!- shepazu [~schepers@mb20736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:37 < kanzure> what is http://hymiegladstone.com/ 12:37 < kanzure> http://www.hymiegladstone.com/hymiegla/GlassStruts.blend 12:37 < kanzure> ok this looks like jmil's doing 12:45 -!- amaruk [~freeze@p54B297AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #hplusroadmap [] 13:01 -!- jmil [~jmil@24-205-75-186.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03 -!- jmil [~jmil@24-205-75-186.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:41 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:43 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:49 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:50 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:09 < kanzure> world life sciences forum in france 14:09 < kanzure> http://www.biovision.org/bv2011/biovision-nxt-overview.html 14:09 < kanzure> http://biovision.ways.org/ 14:10 < kanzure> march 2011 in lyon, france, guess we'll have Utopiah do that 14:16 -!- bkero [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number] 14:22 -!- bkero [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:32 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has quit [] 14:48 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-69-165-103.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:48 < jrayhawk> jmil: i run git gc --aggressive nightly on the git repos on that server already. 14:50 < jrayhawk> So do you want me to make the rest of those repositories available? 14:58 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 14:58 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:03 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:07 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i think you should be asking those questions to the people who have been emailing you 15:07 < kanzure> i think, i'm not sure though 15:12 -!- bkero_ [~bkero2@horace.dionysian-mind.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:14 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20 -!- bkero [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:20 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: jmil, Noahj 15:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jmil, Noahj 15:28 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:30 -!- bkero_ [~bkero2@horace.dionysian-mind.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:30 -!- bkero_ [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:37 < jrayhawk> they say a lot of words :( 15:56 -!- bkero_ is now known as bkero 15:57 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:03 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: jmil, Noahj 16:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jmil, Noahj 16:15 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:15 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@219-89-77-194.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30 < kanzure> jrayhawk: do you know what they mean? 16:30 < kanzure> because i don't :/ 16:30 < kanzure> on the other hand i do think there are some serious issues here that aren't solved yet 16:30 < kanzure> like hardware in .git repos- questions like when something should become its own dev repo 16:31 < kanzure> for instance, there are two versions of the reprap (let's say huxley and mendel) that require "different" firmware 16:32 < kanzure> but it so happens that the two versions of firmware are some sort of siblings on a family tree of revisions? and neither are at a stable release? 16:35 < kanzure> heheh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Don%27t_abbreviate_as_Wiki.png 16:44 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nchaimov] 17:05 < kanzure> monitoring shroomery.org for diybio/biohacking posts can be fun 17:06 < kanzure> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13145568 17:07 < kanzure> guh? "I'm honestly about to undertake the first attempt at genetically modifying Ps. cubensis in the hobby(that I know of) and am sinking 1000's of dollars into this. Here's a pic I took with an electron microscope. " 17:07 < kanzure> oh this is the same guy who was wanting to do bioluminescent cannabis 17:07 < kanzure> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13122801#13122801 17:07 < kanzure> cubensis, not cannabis, my bad 17:08 < kanzure> zack denfeld geonomicgastronomy.com "glow-in-the-dark sushi" 17:11 < Noahj> Everyone leaves their codian MCU open but nobody uses it 17:12 < Noahj> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Join+a+conference+using+ConferenceMe%22 17:13 < Noahj> I just interrupted some history class at some IP in Texas through ekiga 17:14 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:14 < Noahj> Mostly everything else is empty, or empty and password protected (mcu.whatever.whatever/conference_list.html gives a list of conferences) 17:14 < Noahj> I know this is at best tangentially relevant, but I thought it was interesting 17:15 < kanzure> you won't be thrown to the wolves 17:16 < Noahj> I'd rather be thrown to the wolves than the grue 17:17 < Noahj> er 17:17 < Noahj> assuming grue is its own plural 17:20 < kanzure> any last minute reasons not to call it lolcad? 17:31 < epitron> did you poll people yet? 17:31 < epitron> there were a lot of good names 17:37 < kanzure> i haven't done a formal poll but nobody said no to lolcad 17:42 * katsmeow-afk isn't prone to lol'ing at cad programs, tho praps with a name like that, she might 17:45 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:53 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:56 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279397903.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:58 < kanzure> epitron: http://doodle.com/pspwheq7xits4kb7 17:58 < kanzure> there's the poll :P 17:58 < epitron> thats way too many names 17:58 < epitron> make it the top 5 17:59 < epitron> scantilycad 17:59 < epitron> caddy 18:00 < epitron> gnurbs 18:00 < epitron> also, horizontal polls suck 18:00 < epitron> :) 18:00 < kanzure> agreed 18:06 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:08 < kanzure> epitron: how about now? 18:08 < epitron> better 18:08 < epitron> still sideways :) 18:12 < kanzure> i don't think that's an option on this siet :( 18:13 < kanzure> *i don't think fixing that is an option 18:14 < JayDugger> How many votes does each participant have? 18:14 < kanzure> as many as you want 18:14 < kanzure> or i could limit it? 18:15 < superkuh> Do you mind if I vote? (not being affiliated with the cad project at all...) 18:15 < kanzure> superkuh: please do 18:16 < kanzure> technically nobody else is affiliated with it either 18:16 < kanzure> i want to figure out a name before i throw it into a repository with a name 18:16 < kanzure> (at which point dustbin wants to have a look at it..) 18:22 -!- jmil [~jmil@24-205-75-186.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: jmil] 18:51 < kanzure> meredith says: "I wish I could vote twice for lolcad" 18:51 -!- niftyzero1 [~miron@dsl081-070-214.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:08 < kanzure> yeah maybe i should have restricted the number of votes? 19:09 < kanzure> i think i've made the decision harder not easier (tinycad, lolcad, pygmycad, scantilycad, cadabra, cadmium) 19:17 -!- glytch[working] [~elise@pool-71-164-148-252.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: glytch[working]] 19:33 < splicer> ('cadmium' and 'cadabra' make the name difficult to find on google) 19:39 < kanzure> agreed 19:40 < kanzure> cadabra is also taken 19:46 < Noahj> I think lolcad, scantilycad, and youcad are the coolest 19:46 < Noahj> I voted even though I've no involvement with this project :-p 19:52 < kanzure> "i like the .xml.gz format from pythoncad. unfortunately pythoncad's code is extremely verbose and hard to read, otherwise i would pick up development on it where the author left off" 19:54 < kanzure> Noahj: it says you only voted on the latter two 19:55 < Noahj> Oh yeah, I think lolcad's well-represented enough and like scantilycad just a bit more 19:58 < kanzure> ah 20:01 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 20:38 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@219-89-77-194.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:40 < kanzure> http://openpcr.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Picture-5.png 20:40 < kanzure> anyone know? 21:03 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@219-89-77-194.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:03 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@219-89-70-99.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:07 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:13 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:15 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:23 -!- jmil [~jmil@cpe-98-154-246-74.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:37 < kanzure> huh the madwifi devs had to sign an NDA? http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1782416&cid=33528042 21:44 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:46 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:48 -!- splicer [~patrik@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-234-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:31 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-234-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: they call me 'the big bounce'. in fact, i'm bouncin' right now!] 22:38 < jmil> kanzure jrayhawk cannot do git push --force when setting up newrepo because it is non-fast-forward 22:38 < jmil> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/electronics 22:44 < fenn> back 22:44 < fenn> only 511 new emails 22:45 < fenn> that's including mailing lists 22:50 < kanzure> you owe me a cookie 22:50 < kanzure> also don't let me make bets with you without specifying stakes 22:56 < fenn> um, why is there a repo called 'electronics'? 22:57 < kanzure> i don't know, i don't recall giving jmil sudo to even do that in the first place :P 22:57 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure it's from reprap svn, a subfolder called "electronics" 22:57 < jmil> yes 22:57 < jmil> i don't have sudo 22:57 < kanzure> jmil: remember how i said stuff about naming conventions earlier? 22:57 < kanzure> reprap-electronics rather than electronics? 22:57 < jmil> i did iwth the newrepo command 22:57 < kanzure> ah right, piny stuff 22:57 < kanzure> ok 22:57 < jmil> but then we have reprap-reprap 22:58 < jmil> and adrian will get pissed 22:58 < kanzure> so what? reprap can be an exception to the reprap- naming convention 22:58 < jmil> it can't because i can't delete the current reprap.git 22:58 < jmil> lol 22:58 < jmil> i don't have perms 22:58 < jmil> and i can't checkout reprap.git anyway still 22:58 < kanzure> why is there a folder called reprap under the reprap repo anyway 22:58 < jmil> ask adrian 22:58 < jmil> it's a total clusterfuck 22:58 < kanzure> that's a stupid answer 22:58 < jmil> i told you all 22:59 < jmil> i don't know what much of the files are for 22:59 < jmil> as i don't use his 5D firmware 22:59 < jmil> sebastien also says the file structure only makes sense in adrian's head 22:59 < jmil> but he won't go for a different organization 23:00 < jmil> and if you reorganize more, then we lose even more of the revision history if we do separate repos 23:00 < jmil> that's why we need one unified repo 23:00 < jmil> no one listens 23:00 < kanzure> i don't think you understand git-filter-branch 23:00 < jmil> AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH 23:00 < kanzure> you can completely keep revision history even if you split it 23:00 < jmil> lucy, you got some 'splainin to do 23:01 < kanzure> git filter branch is some ninja magic that basically goes through the entire git history and does something you specify, like, say, remove all files that aren't in the xyz subdir 23:01 < kanzure> that's a poor way to explain it 23:01 < kanzure> but basically you end up with a repository that has only the files you want and their revision history 23:01 < jmil> so you say make separate branches instead of separate repos? 23:02 < kanzure> uh, this doesn't have anything to do with branches to be honest 23:02 < jmil> from the man: git-filter-branch - Rewrite branches 23:02 < kanzure> like the master branch 23:02 < kanzure> but it doesn't really matter which branch you're using 23:02 < kanzure> you could have called your master branch whocares for all i care 23:03 < jmil> anyway, i'm rerunning the git svn fetch command for each folder he wants from SVN 23:03 < jmil> there are 7 of them 23:03 < kanzure> "The rewritten history will have different object names for all the objects and will not converge with the original branch. You will not be able to easily push and distribute the rewritten branch on top of the original branch. Please do not use this command if you do not know the full implications, and avoid using it anyway, if a simple single commit would suffice to fix your problem." 23:03 < jmil> if you can fix the ability to clone reprap.git then maybe you could figure it out and push it into a new .git? 23:03 < kanzure> well at least they include the warning 23:04 < jmil> but i told you the file structure makes no sense as it is 23:04 < jmil> there is /electronics 23:04 < jmil> and /reprap/electronics 23:04 < jmil> and /darwin/electronics 23:04 < jmil> etc. etc. 23:05 < jmil> total clusterfuck 23:05 < kanzure> you are troubling, sir 23:05 < kanzure> i am going to sleep 23:05 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279397903.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:05 < jmil> i'm just as new to these files as u are 23:05 < jmil> no one will explain things to us 23:05 < jmil> from reprap 23:05 < jmil> because i think they don't understand what they even did themselves 23:06 < kanzure> explain to me why you insist on preserving their awful ideas? 23:06 < kanzure> s/preserving/perpetuating/ 23:06 < kanzure> preservation/archiving is ok in my book 23:07 < fenn> hm my irc/ directory got lost in the shuffle 23:08 < kanzure> i'll throw your hdd on the stack of hdd for me to process 23:08 < fenn> it was all duplicates but there were a lot of links pointing there 23:08 < fenn> i've been assimilating all day 23:08 < kanzure> your php-based wikis don't work btw 23:08 < fenn> i know 23:09 < kanzure> it's probably for the better? 23:09 < fenn> i havent made any changes in years so i figured i'd just make a static html copy and let it mummify 23:09 < kanzure> since we have diyhpluswiki.git we could just transfer over the content 23:09 < kanzure> ok or that 23:10 < fenn> jrayhawk doesn't want to run the php for some reason 23:10 < kanzure> there's never a reason to run php :) 23:10 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:10 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:10 < kanzure> i could probably be convinced though :/ 23:16 < fenn> is there a copy of the designfiles.org/dokuwiki somewhere easy? 23:18 < kanzure> i have a copy on an external hdd next to me 23:24 < fenn> it would be nice to have a homepage for skdb to point at 23:24 < fenn> previously that was designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb 23:25 < fenn> to point at in reference to skdb i mean 23:25 < kanzure> i can point adl.serveftp.org to gnusha and upload the dokuwiki backup if that would help 23:26 < kanzure> by point i mean dns stuff 23:26 < fenn> yeah 23:26 < dustbin> the reason to use php is that it allows for very quick development and prototyping of webpages 23:26 < dustbin> less good for just about anything else 23:26 < kanzure> flamewar mode on 23:26 < fenn> i'd rather not 23:26 < dustbin> heh 23:28 < jmil> kanzure: you need a place to host designfiles.org? 23:29 < kanzure> jmil: no 23:30 < kanzure> long story short: matt is in germany and i shouldn't physically remove his machine from campus until he gets back 23:41 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: night] --- Log closed Fri Sep 10 00:00:17 2010