--- Log opened Sat Sep 11 00:00:17 2010 00:36 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@188.25.116.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47 -!- glytch [~elise@pool-71-164-148-252.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: glytch] 00:52 -!- bkero [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:58 -!- bkero [~bkero2@horace.dionysian-mind.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:11 < joshcryer> great, so now do we need a program that can produce cars? 01:11 < joshcryer> Indeed. 01:15 < joshcryer> L-Systems are useful for creating organics, but down to Earth cars and chairs are going to require a whole new field really. 01:17 < joshcryer> Oh and I can show you some really beautiful l-systems that make amazing trees and whatnot. 01:17 < joshcryer> It'd be unreadable. 01:21 < joshcryer> I tried making some sort of dumbed down grammar. Vases are subsets of bowls, bowls are subsets of plates, plates are subsets of circles, etc. 01:27 < joshcryer> Such a grammar, like an l-system, is not "graphical." You don't sit down and make an l-system 'leaf.' You find the mathematical basis for that leaf. 02:28 -!- bkero [~bkero2@horace.dionysian-mind.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:28 -!- bkero [~bkero2@horace.dionysian-mind.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:38 < QuantumG> yeah 03:47 < Utopiah> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/10/hyperbolic_map_to_save_the_net/ 04:23 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:31 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:35 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:47 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:49 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:12 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:16 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:20 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:25 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:30 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:34 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:39 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:41 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:43 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:48 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:52 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:06 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:07 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:37 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:38 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:03 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 07:50 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: headed to hackerspace] 07:51 < kanzure> fenn: how about saturday afternoon for the call? 08:25 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:28 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 08:45 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:04 -!- uniqanomaly__ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-216-101.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:04 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-53.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17 -!- panax [~panax@cpe-72-185-51-10.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:20 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:39 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:12 < kanzure> alibre.com is advertizing some stuff on thingiverse 11:12 < kanzure> http://www.alibre.com/products/hobby/ 11:45 -!- ferrouswheel [~joel@121-98-81-17.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:43 < kanzure> the world of manufacturing lobbying is a weird one 12:43 < kanzure> http://manufacturethis.org/ 12:43 < kanzure> http://www.majorityleader.gov/make_it_in_america.cfm 12:43 < kanzure> http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/ 12:45 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_2008-2010_automotive_industry_crisis_on_the_United_States 13:07 -!- bkero [~bkero2@horace.dionysian-mind.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:07 -!- bkero [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:24 -!- glytch [~elise@pool-71-164-148-252.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:03 -!- any28469596 [~someone@75-121-63-220.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:07 -!- katsmeow-afk [~someone@75-120-14-250.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:29 -!- any33109964 [~someone@75-120-6-26.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- any28469596 [~someone@75-121-63-220.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-69-165-103.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Core Breach] 16:09 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has quit [] 16:14 * phryk noticed, there is a nice hackerspace in mannheim, too :) 16:32 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-121-110.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:37 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@125-239-148-106.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:00 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-69-165-103.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:07 * fenn installs skype 17:10 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:13 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:16 < fenn> oh great another fucking global username namespace 17:20 < kanzure> yeah :( 17:23 < genehacker> ??? 17:24 < kanzure> skype 17:25 < genehacker> what's so bad about it 17:25 < fenn> every time you expect 6 billion people to choose unique usernames you have a problem 17:25 < fenn> s/have/make/ 17:25 < kanzure> bryan1138 17:26 < genehacker> so? 17:26 < fenn> was that hibryan.com or heybryan.org? 17:29 < kanzure> pygmy 17:30 < kanzure> gnurbs 17:30 < kanzure> http://doodle.com/pspwheq7xits4kb7 17:37 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:41 < fenn> "man amplifiers" http://cyberneticzoo.com/?cat=800 17:41 < Juul> anyone notice this --> http://twitter.com/ioerror/status/24236337668 17:50 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-82-87.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:54 -!- uniqanomaly__ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-216-101.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:05 < kanzure> "Director of Special Projects" 18:07 -!- panax [~panax@cpe-72-185-51-10.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:08 < genehacker> read the pdf there 18:08 < genehacker> those walking truck things they made are crazy 18:08 < genehacker> the legs were controlled MANUALLY 18:10 < genehacker> http://cyberneticzoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mosher-Handyman-to-Hardiman-1967.pdf 18:10 < genehacker> oops link above 18:11 < genehacker> whoa 18:11 < genehacker> is that the key to "insurance"? 18:27 < kanzure> they want to make me "Director of Special Projects, Humanity+" 18:27 < kanzure> any better title ideas? 18:27 < kanzure> i was thinking "senior managing director of global operations" 18:29 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:34 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-121-110.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:42 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-112-176-113.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:42 < genehacker> so what's that key for? 18:44 < Juul> genehacker, don't know 18:44 < Juul> no-one seems to know 18:48 < genehacker> how many bits is it? 18:54 < Juul> 40 18:54 < Juul> sorry 18:54 < Juul> 160 18:54 < Juul> looks like a sha-1 18:55 < Juul> it doesn't decrypt the insurance file with any of the standard ciphers 18:55 < Juul> tried blowfish, aes128, 192, 256 18:55 < Juul> and 256 in all modes 18:55 < Juul> also tried triple-des 18:55 < Juul> might be something completely different 18:58 < kanzure> 18:38:39 omg/jrayhawk: "senior research fellow" or "director of research" are probably titles most useful to your future career in dicking about with other people's mo 18:58 < kanzure> ney 19:02 < genehacker> whoa 19:02 < genehacker> so it's not for insurance 19:04 < Juul> apparently not 19:04 < Juul> if it is, i'm not sure what to do with it 19:21 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:22 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:45 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-112-176-113.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:04 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:10 -!- tmccabe37 [~tom.mccab@yale128036050093.student.yale.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:11 < kanzure> hi tmccabe37 20:11 < tmccabe37> Hey kanzure 20:14 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:15 -!- any33109964 is now known as katsmeow 20:17 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 20:26 < fenn> the appelbaum thing is probably a checksum for later verification that some file indeed existed at that time, but is twitter really a digital notary? 20:29 < eridu> uh, YES, duh 20:29 < eridu> Twitter will exist until the end of time 20:29 < eridu> now that that tweet is public there are a bajillion copies of it 20:29 < eridu> its in the CLOUD 20:34 * kanzure just got off an hour-long phone call with sebastien baillard 20:34 < kanzure> he's more reasonable over the phone 20:41 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 20:42 < fenn> are you ready for more phone calls? 20:42 < JayDugger> Eridu. I don't think that every jurisdiction, or possibly ANY jurisdiction, would accept your argument. 20:43 < JayDugger> That said, I do think a digital notary service makes a great deal of sense. For all I know, someone already does this. If not, feel free to make money fro the idea. 20:52 -!- any85254230 [~someone@75-120-47-157.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:53 < kanzure> fenn: uh, let me see if dave is around 20:53 < eridu> JayDugger: I was being sarcastic 20:54 < JayDugger> Oh. 20:55 < JayDugger> Well, I still think it's a good idea. That probably indicates it exists and someone implemented it, or it doesn't exist and has obvious flaws. 20:55 -!- katsmeow-afk [~someone@75-120-6-26.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:02 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@131.252.130.248] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- Topic for #hplusroadmap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ http://heybryan.org/ 21:02 -!- Topic set by kanzure [] [Mon Jan 11 11:14:52 2010] 21:02 [Users #hplusroadmap] 21:02 [ [X-Pro]Endos ] [ epitron__ ] [ kardan ] [ Phreedom ] 21:02 [ any85254230 ] [ eridu ] [ kive ] [ phryk ] 21:02 [ bkero ] [ fenn ] [ kristianpaul ] [ QuantumG ] 21:02 [ CIA-36 ] [ glytch ] [ M-xDaeken ] [ saurik ] 21:02 [ clemux ] [ gnusha ] [ mage2 ] [ shepazu ] 21:02 [ clever ] [ gnusha_ ] [ masked ] [ splicer ] 21:02 [ davemenninger] [ Ian_Daniher] [ nchaimov ] [ superkuh ] 21:02 [ dbolser ] [ JaredW ] [ niftyzero ] [ tmccabe37 ] 21:02 [ drazak ] [ JayDugger ] [ nima ] [ ToyKeeper ] 21:02 [ dustbin ] [ jennifer2 ] [ Noahj ] [ uniqanomaly_] 21:02 [ egeste ] [ jmswatcher ] [ nsh ] [ Utopiah ] 21:02 [ elmom ] [ joshcryer ] [ Overand ] [ wolfspraul ] 21:02 [ ENKI-][ ] [ jrayhawk ] [ panax ] [ ybit ] 21:02 [ epitron ] [ kanzure ] [ patrickmclaren] [ Yossi ] 21:02 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 56 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 56 normal] 21:02 -!- Channel #hplusroadmap created Fri Jan 29 23:48:24 2010 21:02 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 3 secs 21:02 < kanzure> hi gnusha 21:02 < kanzure> wait what 21:11 -!- phryk` [~phryk@yggdrasil.phryk.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:20 < fenn> lurker roll call 21:20 < kanzure> 21:03:16 omg/jrayhawk: WHO'RE YEW?! *spits* THEY DONE TOLD ME I'D HAVE A PCR THERMAL CYCLER *throws cat* 21:20 < JayDugger> Hm? 21:22 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: phryk, mage2, gnusha_ 21:36 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mage2 21:43 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54 < M-xDaeken> kanzure: well, i just managed to decrypt data coming from the emotiv. AES in ECB mode: key = '\x31\x00\x35\x54\x38\x10\x37\x42\x31\x00\x35\x48\x38\x00\x37\x50' 21:54 < jrayhawk> whenever kanzure mentions his cat i like to think of kanzure as a crazy old cat lady 21:56 -!- patrickkmclaren [~patrickmc@vps.patrickmclaren.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:02 -!- patrickmclaren [~patrickmc@vps.patrickmclaren.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 22:03 < fenn> yeah i think my poor netbook can't handle more than 2 phone calls at once 22:03 < fenn> kinda lame as this worked fine on a 1995 computer 22:06 -!- amaruk [~freeze@p54B29151.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:10 < kanzure> fenn: i don't know if we got anything of value out of that 22:10 < kanzure> http://www.sysml.org/specs.htm 22:10 < kanzure> http://www.sysml.org/docs/specs/OMGSysML-v1.2-10-06-02.pdf 22:10 < kanzure> http://www.sysmlforum.com/tools.htm 22:10 < kanzure> http://www.sysmlforum.com/FAQ.htm 22:10 < kanzure> http://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/bmarticles/uml/page.html 22:11 < kanzure> model of a telescope: http://mbse.sysmod.de/documents/APE-TWS.zip 22:11 < kanzure> "telescope" i should say 22:11 < glytch> M-xDaeken: does that key let you get the raw data from headsets other than the more expensive developer and researcher kits? 22:11 < kanzure> also: http://mbse.sysmod.de/documents/faq.html 22:11 < kanzure> http://mbse.sysmod.de/documents/Cookbook.pdf 22:11 < kanzure> http://mbse.sysmod.de/documents/CookBookXML.zip 22:12 < M-xDaeken> glytch: indeed it does :) the only difference between the consumer headset and others, as far as i can tell, is the product id on the dongle. 22:12 < M-xDaeken> 1 == consumer, 2 == developer. 22:13 < M-xDaeken> i may be mistaken on that, however, and the developer headset uses a different key as well... but i know that the hid input reports from the consumer epoc are just gyroscope and eeg data 22:14 < kanzure> have you been able to figure out their data format? once decrypted 22:14 < M-xDaeken> working on that part now -- i just got the data decrypting a couple minutes ago. 22:14 < M-xDaeken> if you're curious, i can take a capture and post it 22:15 < glytch> i've been thinking about getting one of those for awhile now, but i didn't like how they're encrypting things and artificially crippling the device like that 22:15 < kanzure> M-xDaeken: a capture would be hawt 22:15 < M-xDaeken> glytch: well, i intend to release everything, information and source to my tools and an openvibe module, public domain shortly. 22:16 < M-xDaeken> kanzure: http://pastie.org/1153209.txt?key=1z0jhuaizalqkijt1886pq 22:17 < M-xDaeken> that's a log i just took of it sitting on my leg 22:18 < M-xDaeken> wtf... it didn't all post. 22:19 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: joshcryer, shepazu 22:19 < M-xDaeken> http://pastie.org/private/1z0jhuaizalqkijt1886pq <-- weird... it posted, but it's getting cut off in the raw version. 22:22 < glytch> that's ok 22:22 < M-xDaeken> but if you copy it from that link, it'll all come through. 22:23 < M-xDaeken> http://pastie.org/private/jzfxkr3uxribaodrbeox8a <-- log of actual brain activity... note: one sensor (not sure what the name is) has a really poor signal right now 'cause it's fairly dry, so you may get jacked up data there. 22:23 < M-xDaeken> but... it should be possible to graph some of that data and actually get something sane. 22:27 < JayDugger> Good work, M-xDaeken. 22:28 < glytch> yes, we thank you :) 22:28 < glytch> might convince me to pick one of those up 22:28 < M-xDaeken> danke :) 22:28 < JayDugger> Bitte. 22:30 < M-xDaeken> time to write a script to convert a byte or bytes into a wave file... if everything is kosher, i should see a semi-sane waveform. 22:41 < M-xDaeken> woah. that looks... very wavelike. 22:44 < glytch> go you :) 22:47 -!- Yossi [~Yossi@adsl-75-36-129-165.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 22:52 < M-xDaeken> oh hey... i think the data, once decrypted, is exactly what the research sdk gives you... 22:52 < glytch> awesome 22:53 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:53 < glytch> i wanna get it graphed in processing or something and see how good i can get at controlling the levels 22:54 < glytch> then maybe make it control a tiny helicopter with a camera streaming video back to me 23:01 < M-xDaeken> lame... no dice. 23:02 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:07 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:20 < JayDugger> What failed, M-xDaeken? 23:22 < M-xDaeken> i was thinking that the data buffer coming out of the eeg sdk was directly from the HID stuff, but i was mistaken 23:23 < kanzure> it's going to require some parsing 23:23 < kanzure> worst case scenario you're going to have to hook it up to a logic analyzer or oscillator 23:23 < kanzure> er, oscilloscope 23:23 < JayDugger> oscilloscope? 23:24 < M-xDaeken> eh, worst case is that i feed data into a virtual emotiv and read the data out of the developer sdk 23:24 < M-xDaeken> would tell me exactly what's going on 23:42 < M-xDaeken> well, time for me to get some sleep. night al. 23:42 < kanzure> night 23:43 -!- amaruk [~freeze@p54B29151.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #hplusroadmap [] 23:54 -!- any85254230 is now known as katsmeow --- Log closed Sun Sep 12 00:00:17 2010