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04:34 < M-xDaeken> kanzure: http://github.com/daeken/Emokit *grin*  there's now a pygame-based renderer for the activity... all the high bytes of the sensors are known, although only one is known to be named properly.
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05:23 < thesnark> Morning all.
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07:27 < kanzure> http://home.tu-clausthal.de/~vttsc/OpenrTMS/electronics.html
07:28 < kanzure> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=transcranial-magnetic-stimulation-rtms
07:29 < kanzure> http://iplant.eu/ "for the promotion of the ethical development of deep brain implants; More generally, it explores the prospect of personalized neuromodulation: what happens when people acquire increasingly better and more precise technological control over the chemistry of their own brains? "
07:30 < M-xDaeken> oh nice
07:31 < M-xDaeken> hrm... correlating the low byte with the high byte is tough, to say the least :P
07:32 < kanzure> "ported from the Java reference code by Bram Cohen,"
07:32 < kanzure> all hail bram
07:45 < kanzure> M-xDaeken: it would be funny if you'd greetz #hplusroadmap in Emokit.git
07:45 < M-xDaeken> kanzure: haha, already done so in my readme :P
07:46 < kanzure> read.py?
07:46 < M-xDaeken> no, README.md
07:46 < M-xDaeken> which i haven't pushed, apparently :P
07:46 < kanzure> it looks like you forgot to commit and/or push
07:46 < M-xDaeken> i'll do so in a minute -- trying to correlate the last couple sensors
07:47 < M-xDaeken> don't know the low bytes of any of them, but i'm nearly done with the high bytes
07:49  * nsh hails bram
07:50 < M-xDaeken> who here has an EPOC and feels like testing something?  there's linux support in the emokit repo now, but it's totally untested... don't see any problems, but who knows
07:50 < kanzure> masked: you around?
07:50 < kanzure> thesnark has one but he left a few hours ago
07:50 < masked> not exactly
07:50 < masked> preoccupied
08:05 < kanzure> http://etacts.com/ new layout.. they seem to cater to the pr firm market
08:08 < Utopiah> everybody who crunch data for stats seem to cater to the pr/adverizing market :/
08:09 < Utopiah> following what Hal R. Varian said
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08:19 < Utopiah> http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/steverowe/WindowsLiveWriter/ProgrammingLanguageHierarchy_1489F/programmer_hierarchy[7].gif
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08:54 < M-xDaeken> kanzure: think posting this stuff on the emotiv forum will get me banned? ;)
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08:59 < kanzure> M-xDaeken: you should do it anonymously (even though your git repo isn't anonymous)
08:59 < kanzure> that way, you still have your emotiv forum username
09:00 < kanzure> (which is more or less useless anyway)
09:00 < M-xDaeken> eh, i'm not terribly concerned about that -- i've never even posted there
09:00 < M-xDaeken> although i'm considering posting to see if anyone has recommendations for wireless headphones that work well with the emotiv :P
09:00 < M-xDaeken> btw, i'm writing up an acquisition server for openvibe now... gonna release everything once that's done.  there's obviously a lot to do, but i'm sure that someone more knowledgable than myself could kick this thing's ass.
09:01 < M-xDaeken> all that really needs to be done is matching up the sensor positions.
09:02 < M-xDaeken> can't believe how mindnumbingly easy this was
09:02 < mheld> that bad, eh?
09:02 < M-xDaeken> downright amazed no one did this before me.
09:02 < mheld> what'd you have to do?
09:02 < M-xDaeken> mheld: took me about 5 hours with device in hand to get the communication decrypted :P
09:03 < kanzure> i tried :) but not having windows/IDA i kinda failed
09:04 < M-xDaeken> at the end of the day, what the entire thing boiled down to (ignoring all the red herrings and attempts to hack it before i got the hardware): peid's krypto analyzer to find the rijndael s-box, look at the function that references that and break on the first instruction... key is in the first argument.
09:04 < M-xDaeken> crypto is just AES in ECB, 16-byte block size.
09:04 < mheld> ah
09:05 < mheld> yeah, crypto is not my thing :-P
09:05 < kanzure> M-xDaeken: so it's pretty clear they weren't trying that hard
09:05 < mheld> I took a semester of it, that was it for me
09:05 < M-xDaeken> so from here, all the data is plaintext... i know the counter, the marker, and the gyro data... from here, it's just a matter of figuring out which sensor is where, in the packets.
09:06 < M-xDaeken> there's a renderer for the raw data in the repo
09:06 < kanzure> wait, how do you know it's the gyro data?
09:06 < kanzure> random testing and seeing if those bytes change in the stream?
09:06 < M-xDaeken> because if you use the renderer, you can move a little square around the screen by looking around :)
09:07 < kanzure> what does that have to do with it? that doesn't tell you the data format..
09:07 < kanzure> or is it ust plaintext and labelled?
09:08 < M-xDaeken> oh, that part was easy -- i just sat it on a flat surface and plotted the stream, two bytes at a time.  pretty quickly found the two bytes that corresponded to the gyro.
09:08 < M-xDaeken> then i took that, found the baseline, and added code to the renderer to let you move a square around.
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09:09 < M-xDaeken> although there's no way to change the baseline right now, so it's easy to lose the square off the screen
09:09 < M-xDaeken> regardless, the gyro is definitely known
09:14 < kanzure> they were even proud of the barrel rolls in the starfox64 previews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgEZJt911Qw#t=2m28sec
09:15 < M-xDaeken> hah
09:15 < M-xDaeken> holy shit... that was 13 years ago...
09:16 < kanzure> "oh no! you didn't tell him about the.. rumble pack.. did you?"
09:17 < M-xDaeken> man, the acquisition server code for openvibe is nasty.
09:18 < M-xDaeken> i'm gonna have to document this protocol, so i can spare others the pain :P
09:34 < M-xDaeken> well, i'm going to really go to bed now :P  night all.
09:41 < kanzure> good night
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12:18 < dustbin> kanzure: got anything for me?
12:24 < dustbin> oh well video game time
12:32 < kanzure> no not really
12:33 < kanzure> hi Pirolocito 
12:33 < kanzure> are you ricardo perry
12:33 < Pirolocito> kanzure, yes
12:33 < Pirolocito> why?
12:33 < Pirolocito> hello
12:33 < dustbin> whenever you do have something I'd really like to work on it, I could use a programming project that is actually interesting and not another website for work :/
12:34 < kanzure> dustbin: i'm so lame i can't even figure out a name
12:34 < dustbin> heh
12:35 < kanzure> okay i should do that today
12:35 < kanzure> bite the bullet and such :)
12:36 < Pirolocito> kanzure, Why do you ask if I'm Ricardo?
12:38 < Utopiah> [joke warning] DARPA project rule, now you get to have a tracking device in your place
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12:50 < Pirolocito> kanzure, ????
12:53 < kanzure> Pirolocito: just wondering if i knew you
12:53 < kanzure> and apparently i do not
12:53 < Pirolocito> kanzure, no, I'm Portuguese!
12:54 < kanzure> hi :)
12:54 < kanzure> so what brings you here?
13:35 < Pirolocito> open manufacturing
13:35 < Pirolocito> :)
13:35 < Pirolocito> I'm a mechanical engineer and a big fan of open source software, so do the math
13:35 < Pirolocito> :)
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14:07 < kanzure> a video about local-motors.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azCRuwtE_n0
14:07 < kanzure> http://local-motors.com/ and they actually provide IGES models of their vehicles?
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14:10 < kanzure> i meant to link to http://www.local-motors.com/modIt.php where they link to the IGES files
14:18 < kanzure> huuuge data file ftp://ftp.fbo.gov/FBOFeed20100716
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14:45 < jrayhawk> Iiinteresting. That's something like what I've wanted to do for years.
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16:16 < genehacker> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39101258/ns/technology_and_science-science/
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16:57 < kanzure> bioethics.gov stream goes on tomorrow
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18:17 < kanzure> gah even teenycad is taken http://sourceforge.net/projects/teenycad/
18:20 < kanzure> heh i should use tynycad
18:22 < epitron> how about something more like "light" or "efficient"
18:22 < epitron> ephemeral
18:22 < epitron> tiny kinda implies that, but it can also mean limited
18:22 < superkuh> scantilycad!
18:22 < epitron> hahah
18:22 < epitron> yes!
18:22 < epitron> scantilycad is awesome
18:23 < epitron> thriftycad
18:24 < epitron> gossamer
18:26 < epitron> boltmaster9000
18:26 < epitron> :D
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18:50 < kanzure> huh there's a pygmy python
18:50 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antaresia_perthensis
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18:52 < jrayhawk> what does skdb even stand for
18:54 < jrayhawk> ah, societal engineering knowledge database
18:54 < jrayhawk> sekad
18:58 < kanzure> jrayhawk: maybe you can see why i'm so hesitant to pick anything here
18:58 < kanzure> i don't exactly have a good track record
18:59 < kanzure> (we should have gone with a4h or apt-get for hardware because that's how it's explained most of the time anyway)
19:02 < kanzure> major cad libraries are called brlcad, opencascade, acis, parasolid so it's not like the competition is fierce :P
19:04 < kanzure> hah "used by hundreds of software developers!" http://doc.spatial.com/index.php/ACIS
19:04 < kanzure> that's not many..
19:05 < kanzure> ok and "romulus" and "euclid" but those are super old school http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_%28b-rep_solid_modeler%29
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19:09 < kanzure> hmm why does this guy get to violate namespace purity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD_%28Aik-Siong_Koh%29
19:20 < jrayhawk> you can do pretty much anything if you're a big enough sociopath
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19:22 < kanzure> jrayhawk: if you buy the suits i'll team up with you to go fight namespace crime
19:22 < kanzure> fighting namespace pollution
19:23 < jrayhawk> so we'd be like the planeteers, only somehow even lamer
19:25 < jrayhawk> instead of Eco-Villains we'd have Epi-Villains
19:26 < jrayhawk> Instead of Looten Plunder we'd have Postem Odernist
19:32 < kanzure> the master list: http://pastebin.ca/1939262
19:36 < kanzure> i'd go for something like libsolids except, that's taken too
19:37 < dustbin> you are way overthinking this
19:37 < kanzure> also naming a python library lib* is generally frowned upon since libanything is so you can do -lanything
19:37 < dustbin> also that list is awesome
19:38 < jrayhawk> libdoodad
19:39 < kanzure> liblabido
19:39 < kanzure> hah if i wanted freecad i could call it libertycad
19:39 < kanzure> or librecad
19:39 < jrayhawk> libdoohickies
19:41 < kanzure> dustbin: yeah but skdb as a name really isn't that great
19:43 < dustbin> so what's the main thing this cad has as it's root design philosophy steps I guess
19:43 < dustbin> and small
19:44 < kanzure> basically i wanted a cad kernel that wouldn't completely suck, was pythonic, not bloated/obtuse as everything else
19:45 < kanzure> simple, i don't really care about speed (well, i do, but i haven't benchmarked anything yet)
19:45 < kanzure> if i really cared about speed i'd just do a C++ library
19:45 < jrayhawk> libthingee and libthiny are also available
19:45 < jrayhawk> libthingy
19:45 < kanzure> so is thingycad
19:45 < kanzure> hrm
19:45 < jrayhawk> doodadcad has an annoying ring to it
19:46 < kanzure> also it reminds me of dugong which was an awful pokemon
19:46 < jrayhawk> well obviously you should name it after a *good* pokemon, then
19:47 < kanzure> charzillacad (take that, mozilla foundation!)
19:47 < dustbin> there was some water/electric hybrid I kicked a lot of ass with in silver
19:47 < jrayhawk> cadmander
19:47 < kanzure> maril?
19:47 < kanzure> wait, no
19:48 < kanzure> lanturn
19:48 < epitron> scantilycad / LOLcad are my votes :)
19:48 < dustbin> heh ya it was lanturn
19:48 < kanzure> in a past life i was writing a pokemon clone called "fakemon" that would automatically generate "fakemon" by combining the in-game awful pixel art in various ways
19:49 < dustbin> lol
19:49 < dustbin> I do like lolcad btw
19:49 < kanzure> yes but DARPA might not
19:49 < kanzure> heh'
19:49 < dustbin> it has a certain irreverence I like, but ya DARPA...
19:51 < kanzure> yeah i might as well. anyone who needs a better name can just find it themselves
19:51 < jrayhawk> "Fans of the series have attempted to rationalize MissingNo. as canon, which has sparked discussion in sociological studies about the impact of video games upon society."
19:51 < jrayhawk> MissingCAD
19:52 < kanzure> there were like four forms of missingno
19:52 < kanzure> glitch city was way better, anyway
19:52 < kanzure> i was a "master hacker" <3
19:53 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/images?q=pokemon+"glitch+city"
19:55 < panax> lulzcad
19:55 < dustbin> no /b/
19:55 < kanzure> is this going to inadvertently attract stupid 4chan users
19:55 < kanzure> see, this is why i am bad at names
19:56 < panax> scantilycad is best
20:01 < kanzure> now on to more important issues.. like food
20:02 < jrayhawk> there is no issue more important than pokemon
20:02 < kanzure> i used to manipulate the ROM files and reconstruct entire stories/games using the same palettes :(
20:03 < kanzure> http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37 
20:04 < kanzure> see here: http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=151068
20:05 < jrayhawk> why are you bothering with this skdb stuff when you could be doing something useful like making a packaging manager for pokemon romhacks
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22:08 < kanzure> fenn: does this sound like an accurate description of my life to you yet? http://xkcd.com/792/
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