--- Log opened Mon Sep 20 00:00:18 2010 00:00 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-26-48.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:03 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-26-48.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:21 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-26-48.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:17 -!- panax [~panax@cpe-72-185-51-10.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:54 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:06 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:07 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 04:18 < archels> And arguably, aspects of the "Singularity Movement" may play into the fantasies of a few billionaires who have experienced a revolution in rising expectations over the last three decades... "Let's see, I've got the 14 houses, the 8 boats, the 10 private jets, the private Island in the Pacific, the surgically sculpted trophy wife... what else is there? I know. I'll live forever in a super-body on the moon with Branson!" 04:23 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:24 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:26 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:33 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-234-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: they call me 'the big bounce'. in fact, i'm bouncin' right now!] 05:17 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:47 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@206.55.180.8] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:53 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-242-206-12.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@183.17.58.240] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:38 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-26-48.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:39 < drazak> dear DIYBio 06:39 < drazak> some of you have no experience with this shit 06:39 < drazak> and are consequentially talking out your ass 06:39 < drazak> plase stop, it's annoying 06:39 < drazak> thanks, drazak 06:39 < drazak> thank god it's none of you 06:44 < kristianpaul> is this DIYBio channel at all ? i was here because dpkg for stuff 06:45 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@206.55.180.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:45 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@78.9.72.17] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:46 < drazak> kristianpaul: a bunch of people here are on the diybio email list 06:49 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-80-151.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:52 < kristianpaul> okay me not :) 07:01 < kanzure> kristianpaul: dpkg for diybio hardware :) 07:14 < drazak> I often bitch about the list because people are absolute retards 07:26 < kristianpaul> kanzure: ahh that explain some things 07:29 < Utopiah> if anybody is in touch with the Software Mindfiles you should tell them about the freshly proposed http://smiy.sourceforge.net/cco/spec/cognitivecharacteristics.html 07:36 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@183.17.53.206] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:36 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@183.17.58.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:41 < kanzure> step via uml: http://www.exff.org/ 07:45 < kanzure> hrm AP233 is sysml-equivalent? 07:47 < kanzure> haha.. http://www.nist.gov/director/planning/upload/report02-5.pdf 07:48 < kanzure> "economic impact of STEP".. claims of billions of dollars :P 07:53 < kanzure> that's a fairly relevealing document.. 08:05 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@183.17.53.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:07 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@183.17.38.145] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:14 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:24 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541EEC68.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:32 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@183.17.38.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:35 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541EEC68.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@183.17.33.59] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:53 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:55 -!- splicer [~foo@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:39 -!- Daeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-63-242.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-63-242.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:45 -!- kyledrake [~kyledrake@c-24-20-239-11.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:06 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@78.9.72.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:21 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@78.9.72.17] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:24 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@183.17.33.59] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:02 < Juul> anyone know anything about this? --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqwoo-O_GwM 11:12 < kanzure> probably another RGS14 or telomere newsblitz 11:13 < kanzure> nevermind 11:16 < kanzure> Juul: look up sq1 11:16 < kanzure> oops, skq1 11:17 < kanzure> http://www.scienceagainstaging.com/ENG/index_ENG.html 11:17 < kanzure> http://www.fightaging.org/archives/2010/09/paths-to-the-development-of-mitochondrially-targeted-antioxidants.php 11:17 < kanzure> "The mitochondrially targeted antioxidant thing isn't out of the blue of course: we have researchers like Rabinovitch gene engineering mice to have extra catalase in their mitochondria," 11:17 < kanzure> "and there's a company called Antipodean Pharmaceuticals who appear to be developing something chemically similar to SkQ1. I think there are sufficient groups producing results to think there's something interesting going on here." 11:17 < kanzure> "this is still just slowing the mitochondrial contribution to aging (and apparently interfering beneficially in some other line items that involve mitochondria, cell wellness, and oxidative stress to obtain the wound healing result) -" 11:18 < kanzure> http://longevity-science.blogspot.com/2010/06/scientific-meeting-in-moscow-from-homo.html or http://tinyurl.com/Moscow-2010 11:18 < kanzure> http://www.imminst.org/forum/topic/43820-russians-cure-aging/page__pid__430061#entry430061 11:19 < Juul> thanks :) 11:19 < kanzure> also, his email address: 11:19 < kanzure> Vladimir Skulachev 11:20 < kanzure> if my pdf server was up i'd link you to a crapload of anti-oxidant theory-of-aging papers :/ 11:20 < kanzure> er, or the "oxidative stress" theories 11:20 < Juul> ok, i have "ending aging" somewhere, i'll se what it has to say 11:22 < kanzure> there's also a conference he will probably be attending in palermo, italy on october 14 called "Seventh European Biogerontology Congress" 11:28 < Juul> interesting 11:36 < kanzure> Juul: did you see http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/images/aubrey.jpg 11:37 < Juul> haha! 11:37 < Juul> no i didn't see that :) 11:38 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279397903.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:56 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:23 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:27 -!- kyledrake [~kyledrake@c-24-20-239-11.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:02 < splicer> I've wondered why there aren't animals with extreme lifespans. If those lifespans are achievable with a hack it seems to me evolution/natural selection would already have produced that hack in some animal. 13:03 < splicer> Skulachev gives a reason why not: "Death caused by aging clears the population of ancestors and frees space for progeny carrying new useful traits." 13:04 < archels> Animals with too long a lifespan adapt too slowly? 13:04 < splicer> and the parents compete with the children for resources? 13:05 < archels> yes 13:05 < archels> well, I guess those are independent 13:06 < archels> Skulachev captured both in his statement. 13:06 < splicer> there has to be some evolutionary reason they dont exist if the reason isn't that it's just too difficult. 13:06 < splicer> yeah 13:06 < splicer> I havent heard a better explanation 13:07 < archels> Occam's razor. :) 13:08 < splicer> darwin ftw 13:11 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20 -!- kyledrake [~kyledrake@c-24-20-239-11.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:28 -!- bruns [~bruns@97.67.109.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:30 < kanzure> hi bruns 13:30 < kanzure> again. 13:31 < bruns> hai 13:33 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541EEC68.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:35 < kanzure> bruns: so you're giving a presentation to a prof on your schemes 13:36 < bruns> well, I have been discussing it with him for a while 13:36 < bruns> and this isn't even related to the class itself 13:36 < bruns> but he said he will be able to help me get the actual research process started if I can show him a plausable theory 13:37 < kanzure> i don't mean to be rude but a theory of what, exactly 13:39 < bruns> that I can make the same process work on at least an amphibian 13:40 < kanzure> and the process is the reversion to the earlier stage in life? 13:40 < bruns> yeah, mainly the earlier stage in life being puberty 13:42 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541EEC68.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:43 < bruns> kanzure: any opinions good/bad? I know most people kinda take the idea as a joke when presented in the manner that I do but it is more so just the way I type. 13:43 < kanzure> it's a joke to assume the one gene will turn mammals into embryos or whatever, yes 13:44 < kanzure> but, picking a different target is a good idea for now 13:44 < bruns> lul, I am not trying to turn people into embryos. Also 13:44 < kanzure> do you want to present to him the grand vision or something practical 13:44 < kanzure> "something practical" would be like.. isolating any proteins that are produced as a result of the jellyfish's gene being transcribed or something 13:44 < kanzure> and then doing crystallography (if this is not already done) 13:44 < kanzure> actually, it might already be done, but you should still propose it anyway 13:45 < bruns> well, the grand vision. then explain where to start with something practical 13:45 < kanzure> if you propose it he will see that you understand the basic concept of, say, crystallography and that you know what a practical "first" step looks like 13:56 -!- bruns is now known as Bellum 13:57 -!- Bellum is now known as ADeoetRege 14:00 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 14:30 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-63-242.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:34 -!- ADeoetRege [~bruns@97.67.109.107] has left #hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 14:37 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-63-242.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:39 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-26-48.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:41 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has quit [] 16:25 < jrayhawk> Seems like using other cnidaria would be a much less retarded approach. Trying it in amphibia is just shooting at the moon. 16:37 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@131.252.130.248] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:37 -!- Topic for #hplusroadmap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ http://heybryan.org/ 16:37 -!- Topic set by kanzure [] [Mon Jan 11 11:14:52 2010] 16:37 [Users #hplusroadmap] 16:37 [ [X-Pro]Endos ] [ fenn ] [ kristianpaul] [ Phreedom ] 16:37 [ Alystair ] [ ferrouswheel] [ kyledrake ] [ phryk ] 16:37 [ archels ] [ gnusha ] [ M-xDaeken ] [ QuantumG ] 16:37 [ bkero ] [ Guest16231 ] [ mage2 ] [ saurik ] 16:37 [ CIA-36 ] [ Helleshin ] [ makmanalp ] [ shepazu ] 16:37 [ clemux ] [ Ian_Daniher ] [ marainein ] [ splicer ] 16:37 [ clever ] [ Jappe2 ] [ masked ] [ superkuh ] 16:37 [ davemenninger] [ JayDugger ] [ mheld ] [ tmccabe37 ] 16:37 [ dbolser ] [ jennifer2 ] [ nchaimov ] [ ToyKeeper ] 16:37 [ drazak ] [ joshcryer ] [ niftyzero ] [ uniqanomaly_] 16:37 [ egeste ] [ jrayhawk ] [ nima ] [ Utopiah ] 16:37 [ elmom ] [ Juul ] [ nsh ] [ ybit ] 16:37 [ ENKI-][ ] [ kanzure ] [ opensanta ] 16:37 [ epitron ] [ kive ] [ Overand ] 16:37 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 54 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 54 normal] 16:37 -!- Channel #hplusroadmap created Fri Jan 29 23:48:24 2010 16:37 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 4 secs 17:07 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:15 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-26-48.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:16 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:18 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:24 -!- niftyzero11 [~miron@dsl081-070-214.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:37 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.179.66] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:42 -!- M-xDaeken is now known as Daeken 17:43 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-57-85-94.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:02 < kanzure> why not untar the gulf? 18:02 < kanzure> tar -xvf gulf.tar 18:04 < eridu> it's full of tarballs now 18:04 < eridu> so you'd have to gunzip it too, I bet 18:04 < eridu> unless the people who tarred it up were the type of asshole to use bzip or lzma 18:05 < QuantumG> omg, it's full of tarballs 18:05 < QuantumG> don't have the same ring to it as "omg, it's full of rars" 18:06 < kanzure> tmccabe37: are you around? can i have access to the leadership list 18:07 < tmccabe37> Hey Bryan 18:07 < tmccabe37> I think you're on the leadership list 18:07 < tmccabe37> leadership@humanityplus.org 18:07 < kanzure> who is subscribed to that? 18:08 < kanzure> i need to send out an email about the gada prize to the board peeps 18:08 < kanzure> kartik is getting ancy :) 18:08 < tmccabe37> Yeah, send it to leadership@humanityplus.org 18:09 < tmccabe37> Oops, I was wrong, you weren't added (someone told me you were) 18:10 < tmccabe37> Adding you right now 18:10 < kanzure> yay 18:10 < tmccabe37> What's your email? 18:10 < kanzure> kanzure@gmail.com 18:12 < tmccabe37> Added, thanks 19:22 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@unaffiliated/kristianpaul] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:28 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Changing host] 19:28 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@unaffiliated/kristianpaul] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:35 < kanzure> hackerspace video series http://www.vimby.com/video/sponsor/us/all/detail/10908/Take_on_the_Machine_Episode_One/ 19:41 < fenn> i'm so pasting that aubrey pic over the (genuine) shepard fairey graffiti outside langton 19:44 < kanzure> i knew you weren't dead :o 19:45 < fenn> who said i was dead? 19:46 < fenn> i've been keeping my lifelog in these "Institute of Higher Yearning" notebooks i got at burning man, so less likely to randomly be at a computer 19:47 < kanzure> i ran into an old 2006 thing of you popping into #brlcad to ask about ISO 10303 19:47 < fenn> my how the time flies 19:48 < kanzure> you know they have a standard (10303-34) for how to read their standard (10303-35) for testing standards-compliant AP203? 19:48 < QuantumG> I wonder what I gave a shit about in 2006 19:48 < kanzure> fenn: so it turns out this is the steptools.com guy (who has been doing 10303 stuff since 1988) 19:48 < kanzure> http://dave.org/ 19:49 < fenn> dave.org doesn't resolve 19:49 < fenn> ah, www.dave.org 19:49 < kanzure> who the heck has "dave.org" anyway.. that's like having "bob.com" 19:51 < fenn> "My site is a peaceful, unchanging sanctuary amidst the furious turmoil of the web. You are happy. You don't want to leave. You can't imagine any other place." 19:51 < fenn> i wonder how he managed to stay so clean while sitting on the playa 19:51 < kanzure> who the hell meditates in a desert anyway 19:52 < fenn> 50,000 of my closest friends 19:53 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:53 < kanzure> he's a nethack player.. i'm going to see if i can't abduct him 19:53 < fenn> the ONLY way to 19:53 < fenn> rid yourself of this virus is to DELETE EVERY MESSAGE IN YOUR MAILBOX 19:53 < fenn> WITHOUT OPENING THEM. 19:53 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:54 < QuantumG> I was playing Minecraft on the weekend 19:55 < QuantumG> addictive little game.. such a shame it's written in Java and therefore is almost unplayable 19:55 < kanzure> it turns out tc184-sc4 / ISO 10303 does a lot of their work via bugzilla 19:55 < kanzure> http://locke.dcnicn.com/bugzilla/iso10303/show_bug.cgi?id=3745 19:56 < kanzure> (loffredo shows up on that bugzilla instalation) 19:56 < kanzure> *installation 19:56 < fenn> Dr. Strange Foot, or "how I learned to stop worrying and start stabbing people" 20:06 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 20:10 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@183.17.33.59] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:10 -!- kyledrake [~kyledrake@c-24-20-239-11.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:46 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:02 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:16 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19 < kanzure> if anyone has actually written an EXPRESS-generated STEP parser then why don't any of the CAD tools spit out an actual error message whenn you give them an invalid file, instead of just failing miserably? 21:19 < kanzure> i think this is a scam 21:22 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:23 < kanzure> fenn: any input on what the rules should be for humanity+ to take the gada prize? judging criteria, that sort of thing 21:44 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:54 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@183.17.33.59] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:56 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:59 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:13 < kanzure> "Who was that professor, who derived all these new stem cell lines in his basement lab during the bush era and gave them out free?" 22:16 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:19 < kanzure> biocurious article http://www.medgadget.com/archives/2010/09/30000_given_by_200_people_to_open_biotechnology_hackerspace.html 22:36 -!- splicer [~foo@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:24 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@183.17.33.59] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:25 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:28 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-26-48.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:37 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279397903.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Sep 21 00:00:17 2010