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00:34 < Utopiah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Thousand_Years_of_Nonlinear_History
00:42 < Jonano> I'm looking for someone interested to write an article about DIYbio
00:43 < Jonano> I can explain the work if you are interested
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01:15 < dbolser> hey kanzure, that was an invited talk. 
01:15 < dbolser> Talk to Jeff if you'd like to speak at some point
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05:04 < archels> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11573666
05:04 < archels> "Difficult-to-read fonts make for better learning, according to scientists."
05:04 < archels> "They believe that presenting information in a way that is hard to digest means a person has to concentrate more, and this leads to "deeper processing" and then "better retrieval" afterwards."
05:05 < Utopiah> best excuse ever for a professor terrible hand writting on a black board
05:05 < archels> Might it not be the opposite? The harder to read fonts make for more processing in the lower hierarchical cortical regions?
05:05 < archels> ergo, the information is stored as novel on more levels and thus easier to remember?
05:32 < dbolser> I used to belive this is why I found it easier to retain information at university
05:32 < dbolser> I read that to learn effectively, one should trasnslate information from one form to another. i.e. diagram to text, text to diagram etc.
05:32 < dbolser> I'm dyslexic, so it takes me ages to read text (compared to my peers)
05:33 < dbolser> But I found I could retain information for exams much better than my peers
05:33 < archels> Do you think that's the same mechanism at work though?
05:34 < dbolser> no clud tbh.. didn't read the lik
05:34 < dbolser> link
05:34 < dbolser> but 'hard to read fonts' == all the time for dyslexics
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05:36 < archels> good point
05:37 < archels> Do hard to read fonts simply force the reader to represent the information more abstractly?
05:38 < dbolser> I have no idea about the various neuro / cognative pathways from text to memory
05:38 < dbolser> but intuitively, 'skimming' a fact should lead to less retention than reading that fact slowly...
05:45 < dbolser> however, in this test they were asked to learn the given facts. I'm surprised that font played a role!
05:45 < dbolser> can you set up an online version of the test so I can test me?
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05:48 < archels> I didn't carry out this research, so I don't have access to the materials.
05:49 < dbolser> seems easy enough to repeat
05:49 < dbolser> it reminds me of the other day when I got a migraine
05:50 < dbolser> I was trying to read a sentence in a book. I read it, and then I realised I hadn't understood a thing. so I read it again... again blank. I found I couldn't read it, so I started to try reading each word individually with my finger
05:50 < dbolser> I couldn't associate one word with the next
05:50 < dbolser> shortly after I realised I was having a migraine
05:51 < dbolser> kind of weird subjective cognative disfunction
05:53 < archels> bizarre.
05:54 < dbolser> I'll say!
05:54 < dbolser> interesting apart from the nausia
05:54 < dbolser> and lack of ability to do anything constructive!
05:55 < Utopiah> marketing uses that already with spelling mistakes
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05:57 < archels> Utopiah, drawing attention with intentional misspellings?
05:57 < Utopiah> yes
05:57 < Utopiah> and I would understand how it works well on short and simple items but hardly on complex and long pieces of information
05:59 < clemux> so, reading text with the worng odrer of ltetres in words should enchance recall?
06:00 < dbolser> I think that relies on scanning in the first place
06:00 < dbolser> I guess they need to do eye tracking
06:01 < archels> clemux: Anything that stands out is more likely to be remembered.
06:01 < dbolser> number of ... is it ... when the eye pauses?
06:02 < dbolser> I read the name somewher D[D[D[D[C[D[D[D[D[D;-)
06:02 < dbolser> though to be 'processing pauses'
06:02 < dbolser> oops
06:03 < dbolser> http://www.jstor.org/pss/1422228
06:04 < dbolser> 1980
06:05 < dbolser> EYE-FIXATION AS A MEASURE OF REAL-TIME PROCESSING OF SYNTHESIZED WORDS (2008)
06:05 < dbolser> http://en.scientificcommons.org/43547397
06:08 < dbolser> fixations and saccades
06:08 < dbolser> (wp)
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06:38 < fenn> i think this might be useful, material properties for common metal alloys http://www.varmintal.com/mat18-all.zip
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06:49 < dbolser> is the CIA world fact book on the semantic web?
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06:58 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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07:09 < kanzure> 1000 ben nanonotes have been sold.
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07:11 < kanzure> hi mjr
07:11 < kanzure> hm you're from #lesswrong
07:16 < dbolser> kanzure: where can I buy one :-D
07:16 < kanzure> dbolser: from qi hardware
07:18 < dbolser> I like the look of it
07:30 < mjr> I'm from having glanced at old wta-talk mails
07:39 < kanzure> mjr: ah :)
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07:53 < kanzure> hi JayDugger 
07:55 < JayDugger> Good morning. Zyvex has a neat annoucement.
07:55 < JayDugger> Nothing earth-shaking, but in the "nice-to-hear" set.
07:58 < JayDugger> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101019111527.htm
08:00 < JayDugger> Substituting Si for H on a silicon surface, one atom at a time, at the blinding rate of 50 atoms/s. They abstract away H atoms and flood the area with SiH gas.
08:02 < kanzure> wait i thought zyvex died
08:02 < kanzure> "This effort is funded in part by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and the Emerging Technology Fund of the State of Texas."
08:02 < kanzure> fuck this, i'm going to richardson today
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08:04 < JayDugger> No, they have a building down the street from where I live, for suitably "Texas-scale" values of "down the street."
08:04 < masked> texas has an emerging technology fund?
08:05 < JayDugger> First I'd heard of it, too.
08:05 < masked> modernising the belt buckle?
08:05 < masked> skulls
08:05 < masked> and other images of things i relate to texas
08:06 < JayDugger> Heh, heh...yes, yes...
08:06 < JayDugger> time to pay my car mechanic. See you all tomorrow.
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08:08 < masked> hmm that sounds interesting
08:08 < masked> but how long would it take to make anything useful
08:08 < masked> my daughter would kick my ass making cookies with play-do
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10:07 < kanzure> hi lepton
10:07 < kanzure> long time no see
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10:11 < lepton> Yes indeed!
10:11 < lepton> We've moved to a new space, added a 3D printer
10:12  * epitron puts an s on lepton
10:12 < lepton> I'm working with some guys to establish a Boulder Hackerspace
10:12 < lepton> Life's been pretty good over all. How are you, kanzure?
10:12 < kanzure> a little slow today (woops)
10:13  * kanzure is writing some text to announce the gada prize transfer
10:14 < lepton> Cool, I remember reading about the Gada prize
10:14 < lepton> We're about to start another EMC based CNC build, so I turned on IRC for the first time in a while to see if anything interesting is going on in #emc
10:15 < lepton> Oh yeah, I did some open source hardware / digital manufacturing talks at Burning Man, with really good attendance
10:15 < lepton> one of the founders from Makerbot showed up, amongst others
10:16 < epitron> IRC CNC EMC
10:16 < lepton> si
10:16 < epitron> muy bueno, mr. slepton
10:18 < epitron> heheh... sleptons are so lazily named
10:18 < epitron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sfermion#Sleptons
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10:18 < epitron> Selectron sneutrino
10:19 < lepton> Let's just put an s at the beginning of everything!
10:20 < boZon> s//
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10:24 < epitron> more like s/^/s/
10:24 < epitron> sbozon
10:24 < epitron> sepitron
10:24 < epitron> skanzure
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13:29 < kanzure> any suggestions for what the humanityplus.org announcement should say about the gada prize?
13:29 < kanzure> saying "we're taking it over because foresight doesn't want it" is not so cool
13:35 < kanzure> also feel free to glance at http://gadaprize.org/ (some of the text is my own, namely the stuff more towards the top)
13:35 < kanzure> old content: http://www.foresight.org/gadaprize.php
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14:21 < kanzure> "gee, i wonder how Foresight Institute announced this originally" well, turns out they didn't http://blog.reprap.org/2010/01/build-better-reprap-80000-prize.html
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17:19 < memorex> Anyone know anything about pulling up the registered email to an expired domain if you have the hosting company, domain of registered email, and name
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17:58 < jrayhawk> search google for 'historical whois'
17:59 < kanzure> endless hours of fun http://www.technomancy.org/google-suggest-venn/#start=how+do+i+tell+my+X&end0=girlfriend&end1=boyfriend&end2=mac
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19:32 < kanzure> http://planet.hackerspaces.org/
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21:19 < fenn> what a waste http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan
21:20 < fenn> smartest man in the world attempts to prove the existence of god by using mathematics
21:21 < fenn> sbaillard wants to know about skdb's status
21:30 < kanzure> still need someone with a reprap/makerbot who cares
21:30 < kanzure> or we're writing a whitepaper
21:32 < QuantumG> what's this kanzure?
21:32 < QuantumG> I know someone with a lot of money who has expressed an interest in reprap
21:33 < QuantumG> no idea if he's done anything about it yet
21:33 < kanzure> huh?
21:33 < kanzure> should i know this person?
21:33 < kanzure> QuantumG: also, btw, http://gadaprize.org/
21:34 < QuantumG> wow, humanityplus.org is slow
21:34 < kanzure> yeah nobody there knows anything about servers
21:35 < kanzure> it's probably because three people are loading a page at the same time.
21:36 < kanzure> QuantumG: try now
21:36 < QuantumG> still dorked
21:37 < kanzure> this is stupid
21:37 < kanzure> i wonder if i moved the server if anyone would notice
21:39 < fenn> i've been working on my reprap, it moves around under computer control now
21:39 < kanzure> i figure showing a full demo of going from a package to something made is enough to show someone the point
21:39 < kanzure> but, parametric CAD is a really nice thing to try out
21:40 < kanzure> it's p. clear that hardware projects are not yet to the point where they can be packaged :P
21:40 < fenn> no way
21:40 < kanzure> hm?
21:41 < fenn> it's just that nobody even bothers to try
21:41 < kanzure> dude they have like .pdf and .jpg of schematics drawn in crayon
21:42 < kanzure> even if someone did bother to put files in folders and tarball them up (or whatever) people are going to wonder about the utility
21:42 < kanzure> the utility isn't really demonstrated without a toolchain (like a demo on a reprap) but if you have better ideas i'd like to hear it
21:42 < kanzure> because i ran out of them a while ago :(
21:42 < fenn> no, i agree
21:46 < fenn> hum, one of the symptoms for vitamin b6 overdose is 'increased dream activity'
21:46 < kanzure> QuantumG: now humanityplus.org isn't even responding to me
21:46 < kanzure> you crashed the server d
21:46 < QuantumG> ya
21:46 < QuantumG> it fears me
21:46 < kanzure> it's really amazing how much people are fooled by web traffic stats
21:47 < kanzure> "we get 2,000 hits per day!"
21:47 < kanzure> when in reality they get more like 20 at most
21:47 < kanzure> i get more hits than that just announcing i farted on twitter.
21:48 < fenn> i think chris langan should be the spokesman for h+
21:48 < kanzure> why? he looks like a moron
21:48 < fenn> exactly
21:48 < kanzure> at least from his wikipedia article
21:49 < fenn> h+ needs more radical viewpoints
21:49 < kanzure> uh
21:49 < kanzure> what it needs is to be replaced by danila medvedev
21:49 < fenn> right now it's watered down to nothing, basically what they are advocating is the democratic party line
21:49 < kanzure> btw, danila and the .ru transhumanists have been working on a new release of NE-1
21:50 < fenn> meh
21:50 < QuantumG> humanity+ needs some more crazy.. ya know, like blue people with tails crazy
21:50 < kanzure> they also have some money for this development work
21:50 < kanzure> QuantumG: they already have that sort of crazy
21:50 < kanzure> what they need are people who don't believe in the magical powers of fucking PR
21:50 < QuantumG> moar
21:50 < kanzure> no matter how much PR you have it doesn't make up for the fact that you've done nothing
21:50 < kanzure> and no, more conferences aren't going to help
21:51 < QuantumG> right, they need fake news
21:51 < kanzure> hplusmagazine.com?
21:51 < Noahj> I think farting on twitter causes that freakish bird to pass out 
21:51 < fenn> bryan bishop, director of action-oriented planning
21:51 < QuantumG> get a hot chick to bath in blue food coloring
21:51 < QuantumG> claim it is genetic engineering that turned her blue
21:51 < kanzure> take a look at the articles: http://hplusmagazine.com/
21:52 < QuantumG> proclaim the revolution ready
21:52 < kanzure> i mean.. really.
21:52 < QuantumG> also, robots.
21:54 < kanzure> yeah, radicalism isn't going to help, it just needs good old fashion human enhancement
21:54 < kanzure> it's funny.. there's actually more on the web each day about 'human enhancement' that h+ is totally missing out on
21:54 < QuantumG> radical human enhancement
21:54 < fenn> "radicalism" 
21:55 < QuantumG> surgically implanted guns
21:55 < fenn> by "radical viewpoints" i meant pure extensions from first principles, not some communist something or other
21:55 < kanzure> ok fine
21:55 < kanzure> we already have those viewpoints, now what :P
21:55 < QuantumG> cut someone open and put a gun in there
21:55 < QuantumG> do it
21:55 < QuantumG> I nominate fenn
21:55 < fenn> i nominate lepht
21:56 < kanzure> lepht is a moron
21:56 < QuantumG> perfect
21:56 < fenn> she/it can battle it out with lagan in the first televised transhuman death match
21:56 < QuantumG> DIY brain implants
21:56 < kanzure> Lepht vs. The Smartest Man Alive
21:56 < QuantumG> now that's radical
21:56 < fenn> ok i should be getting some work done, bbl
21:57 < kanzure> h+ can't really "fund" DIY brain implants because they are all pussies about the law
21:57 < kanzure> right now it's best used as a vehicle for receiving large pre-arranged donations
21:58 < QuantumG> and spending it on ads asking for more donations
21:58 < kanzure> what is it with you people and ads/pr/publicity/marketing/bullshit?
21:58 < kanzure> all the publicity in the world won't fix them
21:59 < QuantumG> I was suggesting that's what it does.. not what it should do
21:59 < kanzure> it's a little weird working with a non-profit though
21:59 < kanzure> apparently people just GIVE YOU money
21:59 < kanzure> whereas i'm more used to business or something where there has to be a reason for people to do things (other than fear or whatever the emotion of the week is for SIAI)
22:01 < kanzure> lepht is a bumbling moron who has a sick masochist need to cut herself and subsequently store subcutaneous shit
22:02 < kanzure> there, i said it.
22:02 < QuantumG> oh, lepht's a chick?
22:02 < QuantumG> she can implant a gun without surgery I guess
22:06 < kanzure> skycorp
22:07 < QuantumG> yup
22:07 < kanzure> hmm.
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