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00:32 < Utopiah> alternative mobile keyboard http://www.the8pen.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3OuCR0EpGo
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00:50 < augur> 8pen is not that awesome.
00:50 < Utopiah> ah, what problems did you encounter? 
00:51 < augur> im not even sure if its out. i just dont find it to be that awesome.
00:51 < augur> people are like jizzing over the thing, and i dont find it worthy of that.
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00:54 < Utopiah> thing is alternatives are not really satisfying
00:54 < augur> i like keyboards.
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02:32  * dbolser jizzes
02:32 < dbolser> how fast can ppl type on that thing?
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03:27 < archels> Yes, we need objective data. wpm counts for mobile touchscreen keyboard, mini QWERTY and 8pen.
03:35 < dbolser> archels: to the challenge dome!
03:35 < archels> Let us go forth and, er, measure.
03:36 < archels> Oh, and let's not forget that new QWERTY swipe system.
03:36 < archels> I forget what it's called.
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03:37 < dbolser> thing is, I bet each team can bring forth a freak of nature
03:37 < dbolser> we need to somehow get 'modal' speeds
03:37 < archels> Just use a large enough test set.
03:38 < dbolser> right
03:38 < dbolser> bill hicks joke
03:39 < archels> ah, shame on me for not getting that.
03:41 < dbolser> sorry, wrong channel!
03:43  * archels stares in puzzlement
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04:40 < augur> http://xkcd.com/810/
04:40 < augur> strange as it sounds
04:40 < augur> this might work
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04:41 < dbolser> augur: they stole my idea!
04:41 < augur> ;)
04:41 < augur> i think the necessity of commenting would be interesting
04:42 < augur> you must reply to a post before you can vote it up or down
04:42 < augur> otherwise its just reddit, really
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05:38 < fenn> Utopiah: 8pen is like a bad copy of quikwriting 
05:39 < fenn> also, why cant they just make the keyboard transparent
05:50 < kanzure> globalspec.com is having an online tradeshaw in plant/facilities engineering today that is starting in a few hours
05:50 < kanzure> globalspec/thomasnet has always been a little spammy, but i'm eager to see if they can actually attract a crowd
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05:51 < archels> mmm quikwriting doesn't work on my old WinCE smartphone. :(
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06:09 < fenn> i can't believe prop 19 failed
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07:10 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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08:18 < kanzure> "plant & facilities engineering online event" http://vshow.on24.com/vshow/PFE
08:20 < kanzure> oh man this is awful
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08:36 < fenn> We recently programmed Bucket, the IRC chat bot in #xkcd, to allow people set their gender so he can use pronouns for them.  This ended up taking hundreds of lines of code, three pages of documentation, and six different sets of pronouns and variables, just to cover all the basic ways people in the channel with different gender identifications wanted to be referred to
08:36 < JayDugger> Was that the punchline?
08:36 < fenn> i find it amusing that the robot is a "he"
08:38 < JayDugger> I wonder what gender the noun robot has in German.
08:38 < killall-9> they should add several hundred more lines of code to handle an "e"
08:38 < JayDugger> Androids, masculine.
08:38 < JayDugger> Gynoids, feminine.
08:39 < JayDugger> Remotely operated vehicles, as their chassis?
08:40 < JayDugger> Do nouns naming computer languages have genders?
08:41 < JayDugger> Idle speculation when I could look it up.
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11:15 < kanzure> haha
11:16 < kanzure> john carmack on eric hunting: "Oh, if only the common people actually building things had (my) VISION!"
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11:29 < fenn> context?
11:30 < kanzure> fenn: eric's latest email to om in response to "How to find time to work on rockets"
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11:30 < kanzure> one of the guys from copenhagen suborbitals sent an email to arocket@exrocketry.net with some prose about "How to find time to work on rockets"
11:30 < kanzure> i forwarded that to om
11:31 < kanzure> eric replied to that, or to paul's response to that, so i sent eric's back to arocket, and john carmack got pissed :P
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11:33 < kanzure> fenn: did you see my message a few days ago about how paul is going to be enraged with fury about the whole.. hiring a workforce for manufacturing, thing?
11:44 < fenn> no i dont really read OM anymore
11:50 < fenn> wow is my package of ballscrews really 40 pounds?
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12:04 < kanzure> fenn: it was a pm actually
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12:30 < fenn> by golly it works https://sites.google.com/site/buttermind/
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12:47 < kanzure> fenn: i have no idea what that is
12:47 < kanzure> something about oil and butter
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14:00 < kanzure> http://reactome.org/ has updated
14:00 < kanzure> i prefer the original homepage :(
14:00 < kanzure> that was via Robin Haw <Robin.Haw@oicr.on.ca>
14:06 < kanzure> http://www.socal-diybio.org/Inventory#Equipment
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14:28 < fenn> the basic idea is to confirm seth roberts' observation that butter improves his speed at doing simple math problems
14:28 < fenn> i get the same time and improvement as others in the study, ~1500 without butter and ~1100 with 
14:32 < kanzure> lecthin again?
14:32 < kanzure> or was that me
14:34 < archels> What's the hypothesised mechanism of action?
14:35 < kanzure> magic!
14:35 < kanzure> dunno
14:36  * kanzure looks for his notes
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14:53 < fenn> archels: there's no hypothesis
14:55 < archels> fenn: My high school biology teacher would be outraged.
15:00 < fenn> by what, normal people doing science?
15:01 < fenn> well, for some definition of normal
15:05 < kanzure> this isn't really a "determine the mechanism of action" study
15:22 < fenn> i was taking lecithin along with piracetam, seemed to help reduce the weird feeling you get
15:27 < archels> night
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18:01 < kanzure> hi CryptoQuick, jmil 
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18:06 < CryptoQuick> kanzure, sup, broski
18:07 < CryptoQuick> been a while, yo :V
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18:42 < kanzure> http://bildr.org/ has content up now
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18:43 < QuantumG> does anyone have an opinion on climate change?
18:44 < mjr> my opinion is that it's probably not an X-risk so I don't care much
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18:45 < QuantumG> sounds similar to my opinion.. I've yet to read anything that makes me care.
18:45 < QuantumG> for example, the most forthright worst case scenario I have read suggests that by the end of the century, Nevada will be drier, Florida will be wetter, and Canada will actually be tolerable in winter.
18:46 < QuantumG> most other accounts just say "we don't know enough to predict the future... but it's gunna be bad!!"
18:46 < QuantumG> but in more words :)
18:46 < CryptoQuick> climate change is a liberal myth, so they can push their agenda of spending your tax dollars and grow big government. they want to put a tax on air, I tell ya! during a recession!!
18:48 < kanzure> egeste: are you around?
18:49 < mjr> well, it's gonna suck here in Finland if the Golf stream gets compromised, but in the grand scheme of things, meh
18:50 < CryptoQuick> the people know that, too, speaking to that little thing called an election we have every other year or so; now that the right party is in charge, we can obstruct that liberal agenda, break obama, it'll be his waterloo! no energy bill, no big spending, no made-up climate change doomsday myths!
18:50 < QuantumG> are there any made-up climate change doomsday myths?  I can't actually find any.
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18:51 < QuantumG> as I said, it's either incredibly mundane stuff that might not even be so bad, or it's argument-from-ignorance let's-not-find-out handwaiving.
18:51 < kanzure> "We also have great giveaways and competition prizes coming up from Seed Studio, Protostack, Ponoko, and ogi lumen."
18:53 < CryptoQuick> QuantumG, yeah, I saw one in 1997 or so, it had kevin costner in it
18:53 < QuantumG> hehe.. and The Day After Tomorrow
18:54 < QuantumG> I was talking about serious accounts.  It'd be great to have a policy maker on record parroting doomsayings from the movies.. but none of them do.
18:55 < CryptoQuick> it's because all those sycophants in congress are too scared to stand up to the democrats-- we need some new blood in washington! I'll bet Palin, O'Donnell, Angle, and Joe Miller would have a thing or two to say about that!
18:55 < CryptoQuick> oh wait
18:56 < QuantumG> btw, if you're trying to be ironic, you're not doing it right.
18:56 < CryptoQuick> oh?
18:57 < QuantumG> yeah, there's too many people around who talk just like that for anyone to know you're not one of them.
18:57 < kanzure> fenn: eric michaud is in town and wants a place to stay
18:58 < kanzure> fenn: something about agoranet. do you remember that project? because i don't :(
18:58 < CryptoQuick> QuantumG, hey, everyone's allowed to have a little bit of Tea Party in 'em
18:58 < CryptoQuick> hell, I'm having a tea party right now
18:58 < CryptoQuick> in my pants
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19:11 < fenn> who? what?
19:12 < kanzure> hm maybe it's not importatn
19:12 < kanzure> agora net? something.. sneakers.. researchlink.. thing
19:12 < kanzure> http://agoralink.org/
19:13 < fenn> "a new type of marketplace for ideas" :(
19:14 < kanzure> i think he's the type that sounds more coherent over the phone
19:14 < kanzure> something about a $100k hackerspace prize fund for an SMT machine
19:15 < fenn> it's quite probable that i would be excited if i werent about to go to bed
19:15 < fenn> but right now i dont really care
19:15 < kanzure> no, i was just wondering if you knew the name
19:15 < CryptoQuick> isn't SMT kinda not as good as the stuff RepRap uses, though? I mean, it's not even real plastic
19:15 < kanzure> or knew something that i didn't that i would if i was more observant
19:16 < fenn> tell him to talk to lxpk at empowerthyself.org (that's an email addy) 
19:16 < kanzure> alex peake?
19:17 < fenn> er, empowerthyself.com
19:17 < fenn> he's into all that greek stuff
19:17 < fenn> hah
19:17 < kanzure> http://www.primerlabs.com/ ?
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19:30 < jmil> hey Bryan!
19:31 < jmil> oh you fixed http://heybryan.org/ yay!
19:31 < kanzure> yep
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22:15 < kanzure> more legal confusion coming from OCC S.A.S http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_19423/
22:15 < kanzure> (i just posted a reply)
22:20 < kanzure> i wonder if i could convince ted hall (shopbot) to buy opencascade (the company)
22:30 < kanzure> Biopunk: Kitchen-Counter Scientists Hack the Software of Life by
22:30 < kanzure> Marcus Wohlsen http://amzn.to/auldXD
22:30 < kanzure> http://www.amazon.com/Biopunk-Kitchen-Counter-Scientists-Hack-Software/dp/1617230022
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