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05:08 < archels> http://www.hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/precognition-real-cornell-university-lab-releases-powerful-new-evidence-human-mind-can-
05:08 < archels> chuckle
05:09 < mjr> yeah I'm not sure that should be there yet...
05:09 < mjr> though I appreciate the approach of making people predict porn
05:12 < mjr> Imagine the practical applications! Have a juicy fuckfest signal alarms, so monitors can alert people of an impending emergency!
05:12 < archels> haha
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05:52  * archels waits for someone to mention Rozencrantz and Guildernstein on the [singularity] psi thread
05:53 < archels> er, Guildenstern
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06:16 < archels> Goertzel and flamoot, separated at birth? *ahem*
06:19 < QuantumG> Goertzel and soap maybe.
06:20 < archels> rofl
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06:58 < JayDugger> augur: Yes, I have interest in building a book scanner.
06:58 < Utopiah> http://diybookscanner.org
06:59 < Utopiah> (I wish there was one nearby Paris I could use for few of my old notebooks)
07:00 < JayDugger> Yeah...I keep hanging up on page turning and buying cameras.
07:00 < JayDugger> I've scanned enough books to know what a pain it is to do well.
07:01 < JayDugger> And I hate picking through forums for the useful bits of information.
07:01 < JayDugger> OTOH--I really need one, so...
07:01 < JayDugger> time to embrace the suck.
07:02 < Utopiah> the lucky thing though is that you have Internet and others are most likely thinking the same in your area
07:02 < JayDugger> But thank you for the link, Utopiah.
07:02 < Utopiah> np
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07:05 < Utopiah> kanzure: btw regarding /tmp/lab #1 it is far from downtown making it really hard to reach, the channel is elistist (and IMHO in a bad way) with few "leaders" with rough edges and overall the I find the projects mainly artistish (not artistic or Art) which is nice for who are realizing them but not really what Im into so let's say I keep an eye on it but don't want to involve myself there more for the time being
07:06 < Utopiah> I guess somehow I just feel ok knowing "if one day I would need it, I know where it is and how it works"
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07:08 < Utopiah> Im not complaining though
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07:56 < klafka> hey kanzure around?
07:58 < JayDugger> He hasn't spoken up the last few hours.
08:04 < kanzure> i am always around
08:04 < kanzure> #hplusroadmap is routed straight into my thalamus
08:06 < klafka> hahaha
08:06 < klafka> what are your thoughts on EPD? have you used it
08:07 < kanzure> from enthought?
08:07 < kanzure> scipy is useful
08:07 < kanzure> i've used numpy more times than i can count
08:08 < klafka> i mean like does it work together well
08:08 < klafka> does it really "just work"
08:08 < kanzure> uh
08:08 < kanzure> i don't know what you're talkinga bout
08:08 < kanzure> i usually use numpy stuff in different contexts
08:08 < klafka> http://www.enthought.com/products/epd.php
08:08 < kanzure> i mean, how hard is it to get basic math stuff wrong
08:08 < kanzure> yeah i'd trust this
08:08 < kanzure> the enthought guys are really badass
08:09 < kanzure> i'd also ask in #python
08:09 < kanzure> or #scipy
08:10 < kanzure> to be more explicit, no i have never used EPD itself
08:10 < klafka> ah ok
08:10 < klafka> have you ever used disco?
08:10 < kanzure> is this a drug?
08:10 < kanzure> http://discoproject.org/
08:10 < kanzure> hrm
08:11 < klafka> lol
08:11 < klafka> yeah that
08:11 < kanzure> never used it
08:22 < JayDugger> Augur, what prompted your question from early this morning, "anyone interested in building a book scanner?"
08:24 < kanzure> probably a lot of books laying around
08:24 < kanzure> crap, i forgot my friday deadline for matt
08:26 < JayDugger> Back to work. That grindstone won't wear down unless you put your nose to it.
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08:39 < Utopiah> NTT DOCOMO AR Walker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oAOtuRQmJI
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08:45 < JayDugger> Certainly too many books make for clutter.
08:46 < Utopiah> scanning books because one has too many makes me think of people ripping their CD while Napster was out, I don't get it.
08:47 < JayDugger> I have books that I can't get online.
08:47 < JayDugger> And I started scanning books almost ten years ago.
08:47 < JayDugger> Availability was even more limited then.
08:48 < JayDugger> Many books that aren't OEF (Original Electronic Format) can have scans of widely varying quality.
08:49 < JayDugger> Even OEF books often have poor interior layout, inaccurate metadata, or worse wrong metadata.
08:49 < Utopiah> if you scan books that are not available online or in poor quality, I respectfuly bow to you 
08:49 < JayDugger> Nicely said, and I thank you.
08:50 < JayDugger> But I usually turn around and resell them. :)
08:50 < JayDugger> Anyhow, my girlfriend's home and deserves my attention.
08:50 < JayDugger> She just came back from a neuromarketing study, and I want to hear about it.
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09:03 < kanzure> fenn: http://www.parc.com/about/people/2481/tolga-kurtoglu.html
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09:20 < Utopiah> feeds from H+ Summit: Live Long and Prosper?
09:21 < kanzure> http://humanityplus.org/2010/11/gada-prize-in-personal-manufacturing-at-humanityplus/
09:21 < kanzure> Utopiah: live long and prosper has been cancelled.
09:22 < Utopiah> that's why I heard no news from it, found that strange
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09:41 < kanzure> posted on the forums: http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?171,65512
09:41 < kanzure> hi Palomides 
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09:47 < kanzure> bah
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09:52 < kanzure> http://diybio.org/2010/11/05/diybio-and-the-man
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10:01 < kanzure> sent out the emails..
10:01 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/3e46911837b03148
10:01 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/3e46911837b03148
10:01 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/makerbot/browse_thread/thread/3e46911837b03148
10:01 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/thingiverse/browse_thread/thread/3e46911837b03148
10:02 < kanzure> http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2010-November/008043.html
10:07 < kanzure> cool they all have the same hashes on google groups
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10:25 < kanzure> ok i also posted to facebook http://facebook.com/kanzure feel free to "like" it
10:26 < kanzure> or RT it http://twitter.com/humanityplus
10:26 < kanzure> phew, hitting all the bases can be exhausting :)
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10:50 < kanzure> i was just showing mac some papers about interconnectable microfluidic blocks
10:51 < kanzure> Fast and reliable way to establish fluidic connections to planar microchips http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Fast%20and%20reliable%20way%20to%20establish%20fluidic%20connections%20to%20planar%20microchips%20-%20straws%20-%20glue%20-%20Snakenborg%20-%202007.pdf
10:52 < kanzure> Interconnectable blocks - a method for providing reusable, rapid, multiple aligned and planar microfluidic interconnections http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Interconnectable%20blocks%20-%20a%20method%20for%20providing%20reusable,%20rapid,%20multiple,%20aligned%20and%20planar%20microfluidic%20interconnections%20-%20Snakenborg%20-%202009.pdf
10:52 < kanzure> Macro-to-macro interfaces http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Macro-to-micro%20interfaces%20for%20microfluidic%20devices.pdf
10:52 < kanzure> Microfluidic assembly blocks http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Microfluidic%20assembly%20blocks.pdf
10:52 < kanzure> Microfluidic motherboards and interconnects http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Microfluidic%20motherboard%20-%20has%20a%20good%20list%20of%20different%20types%20of%20interconnections%20from%20the%20literature.pdf
10:53 < kanzure> also, re: alternative innovation models, does anyone know what's up with aiden hollis or jamie love?
10:53 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/aiden-hollis-health-impact-fund.html
10:53 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/jamie-love-knowledge-ecology-international.html
10:53 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/transcripts/open-science-summit-2010/innovation-paradigm-qa.html
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11:40 < kanzure> http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/08/direct-current-stimulation-more-than.html 
11:40 < kanzure> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655647/
11:40 < kanzure> Temporal Lobe Cortical Electrical Stimulation during the Encoding and Retrieval Phase Reduces False Memories http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655647/pdf/pone.0004959.pdf
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12:13 < kanzure> hi MattyMatt 
12:22 < MattyMatt> hi kazure.  I'm watching part 1 of the vid now
12:24 < kanzure> cool. hope it's informative.
12:25 < MattyMatt> it's a bit Utopian IMO.  a car is a bad example.  it's isn't patents that stops me having one, it's the cost of insurance
12:26 < MattyMatt> sending civilisation seeds to other planets though, I grok that
12:26 < MattyMatt> nanotech is the win there, when feasible
12:28 < Utopiah> s/Utopian/utopian/ ;)
12:28 < MattyMatt> nope, Utopia was an imaginary place
12:31 < kanzure> MattyMatt: i had to explain the concept of apt-get to other people
12:31 < kanzure> i really fail at it
12:32 < kanzure> i want apt-get for hardware and hardware packages.
12:32 < kanzure> there, now you don't have to watch a 20min video
12:32 < MattyMatt> Thingiverse :)
12:32 < kanzure> thingiverse sucks
12:32 < kanzure> it's just a filebin
12:33 < kanzure> on a *website*
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12:35 < MattyMatt> that could be hidden behind a Synaptic style interface on the reprap front panel
12:35 < kanzure> sure.
12:36 < kanzure> there's a git repo here: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb
12:36 < MattyMatt> how long until we get the urge to port allegro to atmega, do you think? :)
12:37 < MattyMatt> I already want 3d preview on this thing http://www.nuelectronics.com/estore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=18
12:38 < kanzure> would allegro even fit on an atmega?
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12:38 < MattyMatt> absolutely not, but the urge is there
12:40 < MattyMatt> damn that cheap touchscreen, if that didn't exist I'd concentrate on an Android front panel instead
12:40 < MattyMatt> or NDS
12:42 < MattyMatt> I should have another go at building A5 on the lappy.  it's my only working Windows machine and I still want to use VS
12:45 < MattyMatt> I can't find a combo of VS, PSDK & DXSDK that works with it tho,  but that was before 4.9.13 last time I tried
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12:50 < kanzure> well that's a lame page update: http://www.foresight.org/gadaprize.php
12:50 < Palomides> hehe
12:59 < MattyMatt> so the $80k was a lie?  they were offering money they didn't have?
12:59 < kanzure> yep
12:59 < MattyMatt> bastards
13:00 < kanzure> but i definitely have the $20k
13:01 < MattyMatt> waitaminute, Kartik isn't our Karthik is it?  oh no he's Karthik Kumar
13:01 < kanzure> kartik is some real estate flipper dood
13:02 < MattyMatt> he should offer some land as the prize then :)
13:02 < MattyMatt> that's the real scarce resource on this planet
13:02 < kanzure> http://reliancecp.com/
13:05 < MattyMatt> are they still putting up the prize money?  if not, why keep the same name for the prize?
13:05 < kanzure> who?
13:05 < kanzure> foresight "owned" the prize money
13:05 < kanzure> so now humanity+ does (where i'm managing it)
13:05 < MattyMatt> Kartik M Gada.  what did/does he do for the kudos?
13:06 < kanzure> i don't know why it has his name
13:06 < kanzure> 15:02 < fenn> that would be more like a bounty than a prize 
13:06 < kanzure> 15:02 < kanzure> this feels like a bounty ;)
13:06 < kanzure> 15:02 < fenn> i dont see anything wrong with a bounty, it just doesn't inflate kartik m. gada's ego as much
13:06 < kanzure> 15:03 < kanzure> you mean the Kartik M. Gada Humanitarian Innovation Prize in Personal Manufacturing
13:06 < kanzure> 15:03 < fenn> "humanitarian"
13:06 < kanzure> 15:03 < fenn> he survives on a diet solely consisting of humans
13:07 < kanzure> MattyMatt: he claims he has more money to tap
13:08 < kanzure> he funded the prize originally
13:08 < kanzure> plus people know the "gada prize" so that's fine by me.. but yeah.
13:12 < MattyMatt> anyway it's all out of my league.  I'm working towards building a traditional+CNC machine shop to make robots
13:12 < kanzure> cool :)
13:12 < kanzure> do you have a machine shop?
13:12 < MattyMatt> I have a vice and a file :)
13:13 < MattyMatt> and my plywood mill of course.  no lathe yet
13:13 < kanzure> close enough, you could build everything from scratch.. david gingery style
13:13 < kanzure> MattyMatt: see here: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/e4c375acce772250
13:13 < kanzure> gingery published a series of books on how to make a machine shop from scratch
13:13 < kanzure> you could also just buy shit *shrug*
13:17 < MattyMatt> yep I'm well aware of the Gingery route, and I also watch Kevin Kelly & Steven Johnson talking about the technium a few nights ago on fora.tv
13:17 < kanzure> Michiel Klaarwater "blender as a cad tool" 100 MB zip file of video http://download.blender.org/documentation/bc2010/MichielKlaarwater-CADtool.zip
13:17 < MattyMatt> melting alu requires a bit of buying shit for me unfortunately
13:17 < kanzure> MattyMatt: kk's latest book is out "What Technology Wants"
13:18 < MattyMatt> I'm quite the expert at doing CAD in blender now :)
13:18  * MattyMatt downloads anyway
13:20 < MattyMatt> I think I'll end up getting my first lathe on ebay
13:21 < MattyMatt> a bucket of good refractory costs as much as some old lathes 
13:22 < MattyMatt> I know you can use earth etc, if you have a backyard that isn't momma's
13:26 < fenn> MattyMatt: the aluminum foundry was probably the cheapest most useful thing i've ever built
13:27 < fenn> i used sand and clay for the first iteration, then switched to perlite + clay for the second one, but it wasn't much butter just weighed less
13:28 < fenn> let me know if that blender video is worth watching
13:28 < MattyMatt> I've seen a mini one made from 8 firebricks
13:30 < MattyMatt> I'd need to chance on some propane kit in the local auction, or make an oil burner and run it on diesel
13:30 < MattyMatt> I suppose charcoal would do for first try
13:30 < kanzure> fenn: fwiw i haven't watched it yet, it was via Massimo Menichinelli <massimo.menichinelli@gmail.com> tho
13:33 < MattyMatt> my favourite casting site.  I've read the entire site at least twice http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/tools.html
13:33 < kanzure> for some reason they blacklisted me from their forums. i never even posted
13:35 < flamt> hi
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13:36 < MattyMatt> I saw a DIY LN generator on Jeri Ellsworth's page.  with that I could make aerogel and make a furnace out of that >:)
13:36 < MattyMatt> it's a bit round the houses, but it'd rock 
13:36 < kanzure> ah jeri, the only girl who knows the difference between silicon and silicone >_<
13:40 < MattyMatt> my first lathe might be a length of 40x80 extrusion for the bed
13:41 < fenn> MattyMatt: i like buildyouridea.com
13:41 < MattyMatt> or 2 or 3 pieces of 40x40,  so I can lap them together to get them flat
13:41 < fenn> http://buildyouridea.com/foundry/lost_foam_howto/lost_foam_howto.html
13:42 < kanzure> fenn: you know MattyMatt from #cam right?
13:42 < fenn> #reprap
13:43 < kanzure> he and i met back in 2003 apparently
13:43 < MattyMatt> is that when you first came to #allegro?
13:43 < kanzure> MattyMatt: allegro.cc 
13:43 < MattyMatt> I've been there since 2000 :)   and a.cc
13:43 < fenn> do you know todd's friend MattyG? lives in austin, does some high tech lab work involving casting titanium alloys
13:43 < MattyMatt> a.cc since 1999 even
13:44 < kanzure> fenn: matt goodman?
13:45 < MattyMatt> oh that's confusing.  I was gonna change my irl name to goodhand gorman  (my grandfather's names)
13:46 < MattyMatt> damn I shouldn'a mentioned that in public until I had all the domains secured
13:46 < fenn> kanzure, i think so, hard to tell from such a tiny picture http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=14160784&authType=name&authToken=7pJG&pvs=pp&pohelp=&trk=ndir_viewmore
13:47 < fenn> heh "I currently work on voltage sensitive dye imaging in the macaque primary visual cortex, and hope to focus more on brain-machine interfaces."
13:48 < kanzure> voltage sensitive dyes, woo
13:48 < kanzure> "matt goodman" is a common name, i wonder if this is the same guy
13:48 < kanzure> Matt Goodman <meawoppl@gmail.com>: [austin hackerspaces, "location:austin, texas", neurosky, eeg, emotiv epoc, openeeg]
13:49 < MattyMatt> not as common as matt smith :p  those domains were all gone by 1997
13:49 < fenn> http://www.craneium.net/images/phocagallery/ISS/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l__dsc0018.jpg
13:51 < kanzure> so uh
13:51 < kanzure> how should meetlog.txt deal with namespace conflicts
13:52 < kanzure> i try to do email address differentiation but i don't always write down the email address
13:53 < fenn> i wonder how often you get actual name conflicts vs just perceived conflicts (false alarms)
14:02 < kanzure> fenn: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/davids.txt
14:03 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/chrises.txt
14:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/johns.txt
14:07 < MattyMatt> doctor who should use a middle name :)  I'm older than him
14:07 < kanzure> gotta catch 'em all
14:08 < kanzure> i should scrape facebook profile pics and then do a pokemon battle generator with these names
14:10 < kanzure> MattyMatt: just to let you in on what i'm talking about http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog.txt
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14:44 < faceface> Assembling materials with DNA as the guide.
14:44 < faceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18818351
14:44 < faceface> old news I guess
14:45 < faceface> actually think kanzure pointed me at this back then
14:45 < kanzure> paul rothemund does a lot of related stuff
14:45 < faceface> that was a paper about thermal cycling for fidelity of assembly
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15:09 < kanzure> Akif Tezcan is presenting on "Inorganic Control of Biological Self-Assembly" in austin on monday.. hrm.
15:23 < kanzure> hi genehacker 
15:31 < kanzure> http://diybio.org.uk/planet
15:31 < kanzure> streety: hi
15:38 < kanzure> fenn: do you know Rebecca Neudeck <beckylouise@gmail.com> or what she has to do with factor e farm?
15:40 < MattyMatt> is that like bonsai kittens? :)
15:42 < MattyMatt> glass jars are inorganic
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15:52 < fenn> rebecca neudeck, nope
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16:50 < faceface> cheers
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17:44 < ybit2> best augmented reality software lib for linux?
17:44 < ybit2> artoolkit seems dead
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17:46 < ybit2> mixare for android
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17:51 < ybit2> flartoolkit, bam
17:51 < ybit2> or ezflar
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18:09 < fenn> 'seems dead'?
18:09 < fenn> problem with flar* is it's flash
18:11 < fenn> hm ok 2007 latest release, i see your point
18:12 < kanzure> http://blog.reprap.org/2010/11/gada-prize.html
18:41 < ybit2> fenn: yes that is a big fucking problem
18:43 < fenn> in various "real life" demos using flar* it seemed like people often had problems getting flash to use their webcam, and it was often jerky and was really picky about having the whole marker in frame
18:43 < fenn> so if one corner of the marker went out of frame the object would disappear
18:44 < fenn> and you had to write in actionscript
18:44 < fenn> so, yeah
18:54 < ybit2> i'm searching for an alternative to flash
18:54 < ybit2> flash-based ar
18:55 < ybit2> AR Toolkit
18:58 < ybit2> http://stewd.io/b/2009/06/12/augmented-reality-made-easy
18:58 < ybit2> from that, ARToolKit and JMyron are mentioned
19:02 < ybit2> jeebus, nothing is updated these days
19:02 < ybit2> only the mobile ar stuff it seems
19:07 < fenn> yeah it's all crap i'm afraid
19:08 < fenn> i've heard rumors of awesome things but they seem to only ever be shown at semi-secret demo events
19:09  * fenn digs around in some notes
19:10 < fenn> metaio?
19:10 < fenn> hm lame, nm
19:12 < kanzure> i hope firefox dies a slow and painful death http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=3007135#p3007135
19:13 < fenn> chrome's purported sandboxing of tabs isn't all it's cracked up to be either
19:14 < fenn> if one tab is misbehaving, everything gets slowed down
19:14 < fenn> and flash is usually what gets screwed up so anything with flash on it dies all at once
19:15  * fenn mutters something about finishing css support in dillo
19:22 < kanzure> i liked uzbl until i realized that nobody has enough balls to rewrite webkit
19:25 < fenn> why would you rewrite webkit? it does its job
19:26 < fenn> "here render this html" poof
19:27 < kanzure> everything about html renderers seems big, bulky and completely unnecessary
19:32 < kanzure> matt has xerox parc reviewing skdb for some erason
19:32 < kanzure> *reason
19:32 < kanzure> i told him to go meet dan heeks while he still has the chance :P
19:35 < fenn> "xerox parc" == kurtoglu?
19:38 < kanzure> and a few others there (apparently)
19:42 < ybit2> i liked the internet until i realize there were humans on the other end
19:43 < ybit2> oh, i didn't scroll down far enough to see where the conversation was. guess it seems out of place :)
19:43 < kanzure> hating people is never out of place
19:43 < kanzure> now go away
19:43 < ybit2> phew
19:45 < ybit2> sometimes i hate myself and people walk in on me wearing leather clad outfits with tortureware and then i just feel awkward 
19:45 < kanzure> thank you for sharing.
19:45 < kanzure> fenn? your turn
19:45 < ybit2> this is what the internet is for, yes?
19:45 < ybit2> s/internet/irc
19:46 < fenn> i live next door to stormy leather
19:46 < ybit2> ? :)
19:47 < fenn> i'm sitting on a stuffed tardigrade
19:47 < ybit2> i'm wanting to do something with the projector at the office besides watching video
19:47 < ybit2> and drawing stuff with remotes
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19:48 < ybit2> i have a wireless webcam, might be able to count, i dunno how many times someone turns to look at the projected image or, a simpler scenario, counting how many times someone walks past something
19:49 < ybit2> lame
19:50 < fenn> ybit do head tracking and adjust the 3d perspective according to where the person is standing
19:50 < fenn> then render various creatures attacking but only when they're not looking directly at it
19:50 < ybit2> an AR stamp beside a meter makes sense if only you are too lazy to launch the browser on your phone to see the stats on a page without having to point your phone at it
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19:51 < ybit2> hehe
19:52 < ybit2> there was a nice looking gui built on openframeworks that i saw on vimeo... reminded me a bit of the star wars library interface 
19:52 < ybit2> fenn, i like it
19:52 < kanzure> http://openframeworks.cc/ ?
19:52 < ybit2> yeah
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19:52 < kanzure> there's also libcinder
19:53 < kanzure> http://libcinder.org/
19:54 < ybit2> some simple concept like that, fenn, is what i'm aiming for this webcam can turn 360 degrees and look upward, but not down
19:54 < ybit2> i actually have three of these just lying around
19:56 < fenn> uh. turn it upside down
19:56 < fenn> mplayer -vf rotate
19:56 < kanzure> why does fenn know so much random mplayer stuff
19:56 < ybit2> man pages ftw
19:56 < kanzure> i don't think that's it
19:57 < kanzure> you haven't seen him messing with mplayer
19:57 < fenn> because my computer is too slow to play flash movies?
19:57 < ybit2> also...
19:57 < fenn> also mplayer is fuckin awesome
19:57 < ybit2> we have about 10+Ghz of processing power not being used on a regular basis...
19:57 < ybit2> it is!
19:58 < ybit2> so much better than the clicky interface of vlan
19:58 < ybit2> videolan
19:58 < fenn> my only beef is you can't transcode audio-only files (like .wav to .mp3 for example)
19:58 < ybit2> ..on windows.. because i have to use windows at work... because i'm stuck in visual studio :(
19:59 < fenn> there's a version for windows no?
19:59 < ybit2> and everything microsoft based really, including sharepoint and dynamics :\
19:59 < ybit2> of videolan? yeah..
19:59 < fenn> of mplayer
19:59 < ybit2> it's been around for awhile... was that sarcasm kind sir?
19:59 < ybit2> oh
19:59 < ybit2> smplayer
19:59 < ybit2> yeah.. i recommended it for the security team at k-mart once :)
19:59 < ybit2> it saved their asses :)
20:00 < fenn> smplayer is some sort of gui?
20:00 < ybit2> yeah
20:00 < ybit2> they have cli of course
20:00 < ybit2> they == windows users
20:02 < ybit2> so who's coming to alabama to visit me? :)
20:02 < fenn> ooh ooh not it
20:02 < ybit2> :)
20:02 < ybit2> https://makerslocal.org/wiki/index.php/HSIS
20:02 < ybit2> the huntsville hackerspace won the hsis competition, that's their wiki page for it
20:03 < ybit2> total cost: $149.10 
20:03 < ybit2> not including food and gas
20:03 < kanzure> ybit2: what is "dynamics" ?
20:04 < ybit2> microsoft's attempt at business intelligence
20:04 < kanzure> excel spreadsheets?
20:04 < ybit2> nah
20:04 < ybit2> similar to pentaho
20:04 < ybit2> or jaspersoft
20:04 < ybit2> both of those are coded in java btw
20:05 < ybit2> dynamics allows you to write add-ons in c#, of course
20:06 < ybit2> ooh ooh
20:06 < ybit2> i have an idea...
20:06 < ybit2> Draw!
20:06 < ybit2> two people walk 2 paces and then turn around and draw... first one frags the other
20:07 < ybit2> first to 5 or something
20:08 < ybit2> dumb ideas keep coming to me, can i borrow someone else's brain for a bit?
20:09 < kanzure> ybit2: what have you been up to
20:09 < ybit2> hrm...
20:09 < ybit2> maybe.. rotate 3d objects on-screen with hand gestures similar to ps3/xbox stuff
20:10 < ybit2> kanzure: i've been broke, finally got a decent job, it kind of rocks
20:11 < ybit2> i've been given a bunch of goodies, $7k laptop, these webcams, and tools galore... a projector to play with and a 32in extra screen, and a free iphone, which is nice because i was going to get an android, but verizon was going to charge $80/month but now it's free with unlimited everything
20:12 < ybit2> now that i have money, i'm going to pay off $3k in debt and in the process build everything 
20:12 < ybit2> i need a list of everything
20:13 < ybit2> i'm making my own personal hygiene products and kitcenware at first because it's all somewhat simple (minus the electronics)
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20:13 < ybit2> kitchen*
20:13 < kanzure> you should fund fenn
20:13 < ybit2> i'd like a robotic arm to make moar coffee for me
20:13 < kanzure> i have an arm
20:13 < ybit2> can it handle a coffee pot?
20:14 < ybit2> the one on thingiverse is weak
20:14 < kanzure> it can handle anything less than 5 pounds :(
20:14 < ybit2> that's not terrible... 
20:15 < ybit2> you could knock your mouse off the table and it might fetch it for you, but it would be so slow, you'd probably get irritated and just pick it up yourself :)
20:15 < kanzure> speed is fine
20:15 < ybit2> recognizing objects and grasping them takes no time?
20:16 < ybit2> i want pics!
20:16 < kanzure> hmm where are the pics. there's one on facebook
20:16 < kanzure> i think the image was on designfiles.org so good luck with that
20:16 < ybit2> i have a dell m6500 if anyone is wondering what lappy i was referring to earlier
20:17 < ybit2> though i'm using my aspire 1410 with ubuntu 10.10 right now
20:17 < ybit2> it's a shame canonical doesn't package kde very well
20:17 < ybit2> wait, i think it's a communit effort, i don't think they have anything to do with that
20:18 < ybit2> and now i'm just talking to myself
20:18 < ybit2> so much stuff to build, i want all of you guys to come live beside me
20:19 < ybit2> kanzure: y tu, what have you been doing?
20:19 < ybit2> from what i gather fenn has been socializing a lot and play tag with nerf guns
20:19 < fenn> i'm afraid to ask about the personal hygiene products
20:20 < ybit2> sunscreen!
20:20 < kanzure> hum what have i been up to?
20:20 < ybit2> yar
20:20 < ybit2> shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste, toothbrush
20:20 < ybit2> soap
20:20 < ybit2> hair gel
20:20 < fenn> i've mostly been cleaning this place up and building my room
20:21 < fenn> what goes into hair gel?
20:21 < ybit2> i haven't a clue
20:21 < ybit2> first up is sunscreen
20:21 < kanzure> ybit2: lolcad, gada prize, top secret website, solidworks plugin, DARPA bullshit, "director of r&d, humanity+", other stuff i'm forgetting
20:22 < fenn> how do you test sunscreen? :P
20:22 < ybit2> i burn
20:22 < ybit2> top secret website, i have a few of those
20:22 < fenn> http://xkcd.com/700/
20:22 < ybit2> top secret because they will never see the light of day
20:23 < kanzure> "this time it will be different"
20:23 < ybit2> nice one fenn :)
20:24 < ybit2> kanzure: yeah :)
20:24 < kanzure> random iphone app
20:32 < ybit2> i ate a burrito the size of a fetus the other dady
20:32 < ybit2> day*
20:32 < ybit2> </tweet>
20:33 < ybit2> yeah, now i'm just babbling... will someone move here since most of my hackerspace buddies moved away
20:33 < ybit2> i've got a tree you can sleep under
20:33 < ybit2> eco-living, yes, that's the word
20:34 < ybit2> fenn: didn't you want to live with some girl in a cave? this is perfect for you
20:35 < kanzure> some girl in a cave?
20:35 < kanzure> faye kane?
20:36 < ybit2> sounds right... hard to tell without seeing images on the blog of her partially nude 
20:38 < kanzure> 19:07 < fenn> hawt
20:38 < kanzure> 19:08 < fenn> <- has an autistic-hole-in-the-woods fetish
20:38 < kanzure> 19:09 < fenn> omg i didnt realize it was a porn site
20:38 < kanzure> 19:09 < fenn> ... or ... something
20:38 < kanzure> ^from http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-03-01.log
20:44 < ybit2> hrm... yeah.. lots of stuff has happened since the last time i was active.. not really feeling like going through it all
20:45 < ybit2> i'm going scuba diving for my bday this year, who wants to come?
20:45 < ybit2> this coming year
20:45 < kanzure> when?
20:45 < ybit2> and india in 2011, you just need $2k
20:45 < ybit2> scuba diving in august
20:46 < kanzure> i'd prefer china
20:46 < ybit2> indian in december
20:46 < ybit2> i have more friends in india
20:46 < kanzure> all the more reason to go to china
20:47 < ybit2> the chinese dating scene is better :)
20:47 < kanzure> no it's not. they kill all their women
20:47 < ybit2> lol
20:47 < ybit2> oh right, the babies
20:48 < ybit2> i find it's nearly impossible to date an indian girl
20:48 < ybit2> with arranged marriages being a norm
20:50 < fenn> just move to san jose
20:50 < fenn> *ahem*
20:51 < ybit2> that's a hint kanzure 
20:52 < fenn> actually it's called "man jose" because there aren't any women
20:52 < ybit2> i was keeping a log of everything i was doing up until i started working :)
20:52 < ybit2> what time i was sleeping and waking up, etc.
20:52 < kanzure> fenn: there's a popular blog on why there's no girls in that area
20:52 < klafka> are there still a lot of arranged marriages in india?
20:52 < klafka> kanzure why's that?
20:52 < kanzure> http://whytherearenogirls.blogspot.com/
20:52 < klafka> LOL
20:53 < kanzure> like http://whytherearenogirls.blogspot.com/2010/04/36-lisa-from-35-comments.html
20:54 < klafka> i like his reference to it's always sunny
20:54 < fenn> was that blog written by a non-native english speaker? /me fails at reading
20:54 < kanzure> i think it's an "essayist"
20:54 < kanzure> you know, someone who graduates from high school thinking anyone cares about essay-style writing
20:55 < QuantumG> I failed English in high school.. that's why my blog is as readable as it is :P
20:56 < fenn> i'd like to see some quantitative data
20:56 < ybit2> 21:36 < fenn> just move to san jose
20:56 < ybit2> 21:36 < fenn> *ahem*
20:56 < ybit2> 21:37 < ybit2> that's a hint kanzure 
20:56 < ybit2> 21:37 < fenn> actually it's called "man jose" because there aren't any women
20:56 < fenn> and no, polls don't count
20:56 < ybit2> i think it's still a hint for you kanzure ;)
20:57 < fenn> there aren't any gay neighborhoods in san jose
20:57 < fenn> at least not that i know of
20:58 < fenn> i have however, on multiple occasions, seen barefoot indian housewives wandering around the sidewalks daydreaming
20:58 < klafka> i think this is weird kanzure 
20:58 < klafka> i've known LOTS of females in SF
20:58 < klafka> and i don't even live there
20:59 < klafka> well bay area
20:59 < fenn> SF, oakland, berkeley are full of hotties. i only mentioned san jose because of the indian housewife thing
20:59 < klafka> aah
21:00  * fenn snickers http://maps.google.com/maps/place?um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=san+jose+housewife&fb=1&gl=us&hq=housewife&hnear=San+Jose,+CA&cid=3770030527867774342
21:01 < fenn> oh damn that's SF still
21:02 < ybit2> i want an open source fembot
21:03 < fenn> sorry, you only get open source 10 year old boybot
21:03 < ybit2> lol
21:03 < fenn> will have to perform robotic reassignment surgery
21:04 < klafka> kanzure reading this just enrages me
21:04 < ybit2> well, i think kanzure's robotic arm handles anything less than 5lbs, so we might have the tools to do just that
21:05 < ybit2> so what's the deal with wta and h+ not joining?
21:05 < ybit2> someone should ask that question on one the lists
21:05 < ybit2> on one of*
21:07 < fenn> "Eventually they worked it out: if they controlled for adolescent height, then the effect of adult height on wages for men was essentially eliminated. It all depended on how tall the guy was in high school."
21:07 < fenn> did you ever get that arm going?
21:08 < fenn> s/you/somebody/
21:08 < ybit2> oh that's right, the arm! i remember seeing pictures of it
21:11 < ybit2> umkay, think i'm going to walk around or something. 
21:11 < ybit2> but before i do that...
21:13 < ybit2> meh, nevermind, i enjoyed the babble and random spurts of commentary from others :)
21:14 < fenn> ybit what do you want to make besides hair gel and sunscreen?
21:14 < fenn> i mean, a fembot is sort of ambitious for a first project
21:15 < fenn> o right, a coffee robot
21:15 < QuantumG> kanzure: http://moonandback.com/2010/11/05/93/
21:20 < fenn> great, 'hard capitalism' now all we need is a market
21:25 < fenn> "Ben Lipkowitz - born and raised on a farm in rural Idaho, Ben developed a love for doing everything himself.  While his parents were unable to afford a tracktor, Ben secluded himself in an overlooked barn and manufactured a tractor by forging every peice from aluminum cans.  He's been wondering the world since, helping out those who cannot afford tractors.
21:26 < fenn> something like that
21:26 < kanzure> ybit2: what do you mean wta and h+ not joining?
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21:41 < augur> anyone know if the arduino can be used as a controller for some robotics?
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22:03 < kanzure> http://fabbaloo.com/blog/2010/11/6/the-gada-prize.html
22:04 < kanzure> hm i've forgot to read http://reprap.org/wiki/Talk:Gada_Prize
22:30 < kanzure> fenn: cool, they were the same matt goodman
22:31 < augur> anyone read this
22:31 < augur> http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/11/05/1441251/Scientists-Overclock-Peoples-Brains?from=rss
22:31 < kanzure> it's just more tcdcs stuff
22:31 < kanzure> http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/08/direct-current-stimulation-more-than.html
22:31 < kanzure> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655647/
22:31 < kanzure> Temporal Lobe Cortical Electrical Stimulation during the Encoding and Retrieval Phase Reduces False Memories http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2655647/pdf/pone.0004959.pdf
22:32 < augur> kanzure: jesus what
22:32 < augur> are you a linkbot
22:32 < augur> wtf
22:32 < kanzure> yes
22:32 < augur> beep boop
22:32 < kanzure> bop
22:32 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mac.html
22:33 < augur> bebop adoowop
22:33 < augur> like that'll prove anything
22:33 < augur> IVE SEEN BSG
22:33 < augur> I KNOW WHAT YOU LOT ARE LIKE
22:33 < augur> plx dont nuke me :(
22:36 < kanzure> be careful or you'll end up in http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog.txt
22:36 < kanzure> under the "people" section
22:36 < augur> IVE GOT MY CYLON DETECTOR READY
22:37 < augur> whats this meetlog now
22:38 < kanzure> a log of every interaction i have with people
22:38 < augur> interesting
22:38 < augur> it doesnt have timestamps.
22:38 < kanzure> yeah the resolution is not much. i dunno what to do.
22:38 < augur> how are you logging this stuff? manually?
22:38 < kanzure> the stuff at the bottom (i.e. today) is more interesting
22:39 < kanzure> manually. used to be better when i had a gmail/pidgin plugin working
22:39 < augur> thats painful
22:39 < augur> you should work on some sort of automatic logging, at least for IRC
22:39 < kanzure> whatever you do don't mention a new tag
22:40 < augur> a new tag huh
22:40 < augur> i wouldnt know where to start!
22:40 < kanzure> you missed the joke
22:40 < augur> i did!
22:40 < augur> proper AR is going to be such a boon
22:41 < kanzure> 19:59 < jrayhawk> kanzure are you ever resentful of someone saying something flippant on IRC because it means you then have to go fill out their name
22:41 < kanzure> 20:04 < jrayhawk> especially a stupid largely rhetorical question
22:41 < kanzure> 20:03 < kanzure> fuck you
22:41 < augur> :D
22:42 < kanzure> i also have graphs/charts/analysis on top of this data
22:42 < kanzure> timestamp granularity leaves much to be desired
22:42 < kanzure> and on top of that, tagging isn't necessarily the best way to figure out what i've told someone
22:42 < QuantumG> wtf does 'net' mean vs 'people'?
22:42 < augur> ive uploaded 2 books to gigapedia now :D
22:43 < kanzure> i should probably be using longer tags "topic-gada-prize-at-humanityplus"
22:43 < kanzure> QuantumG: "people" means "in person"
22:43 < QuantumG> ahh
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22:44 < kanzure> i am also not sure when i am going to realize how stupid i am for sharing this file so widely
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22:46 < QuantumG> seems pretty harmless to me
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22:47 < kanzure> really? what about the batman effect
22:47 < QuantumG> will have to meet you in-person some day
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22:47 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
22:47 < QuantumG> the batman effect?  is that where you say "I'm batman" in a silly voice and everyone laughs?
22:47 < kanzure> QuantumG: the batman effect is where people can't kill you so they kill everyone you know or care about
22:48 < QuantumG> pft, as if killing you is hard
22:48 < kanzure> well i'm not dead yet
22:48 < QuantumG> that's cause you befriend crazy people rather than pissing them off
22:48 < JayDugger> What evidence can you offer for your claim of life?
22:49 < kanzure> little to none
22:49 < kanzure> good night
22:49 < JayDugger> Fair enough.
22:50 < kanzure> http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/humanity-caltech-dec-4-5-2010-redefining-future-humanity
22:50 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://humanityplus.org/2010/11/gada-prize-in-personal-manufacturing-at-humanityplus/
22:51 < JayDugger> QuantumG, have you tracked down any of the papers from the SSI conference?
22:51 < QuantumG> nope.. and I expect all the harassing I did in regards to getting videos of the event may result in nothing
22:52 < JayDugger> That stinks.
22:52 < JayDugger> The blog "Broader Perspective" had a write-up, but few links.
22:52 < kanzure> i should have gone :(
22:52 < JayDugger> I haven't gotten through those on "Next Big Future."
22:53 < QuantumG> "Space.com will be media partner for the SSI conference."  and "We'd like to make these widely available, so they will also be uploaded to the web, uncut, by SSI .  You can safely expect to see all the sessions very soon on the internet near you."  was the final word
22:53 < JayDugger> The check is in the mail? Really:
22:53 < JayDugger> s/:/?/
22:53 < QuantumG> the person I was talking to even went to the effort to contact the volunteer I had arranged to film the event and tell them that their services won't be required.
22:54 < JayDugger> That strikes me as unfriendly on their part.
22:54 < JayDugger> Supposedly Apogee will publish the proceedings next year.
22:54 < QuantumG> "I think this is a nice way of saying fuck off... and it seemed to come
22:54 < QuantumG> out of nowhere.  She was friendly yesterday." is what I said at the time.  
22:54 < QuantumG> (which was Oct 20 btw)
22:54 < JayDugger> :(
22:54 < QuantumG> but hey, they might just be *slow*
22:55 < JayDugger> Good point. I prefer to think the best of others, despite my ingrained cyncism.
22:56 < JayDugger> Huh. "apogee.com" doesn't lead to the bookstore, but to a vendor for custom JREs, whose customers include Raytheon, maker of a ruggedized Android-based smartphone/PDA targeted at the military market.
23:01 < QuantumG> hmm.. any links to those ruggedized Android-based smartphones?
23:02 < JayDugger> I have none. Just rumors and "coming soon" ads.
23:02 < JayDugger> Would you guess I read Aviation Week? :)
23:02 < QuantumG> heh
23:03 < JayDugger> No mention of proceedings on apogeespacebooks.com.
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23:05 < JayDugger> Raytheon Advanced Tactical System: http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/rats/
23:05 < JayDugger> http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE66K1NE20100721
23:05 < JayDugger> http://www.mobiledia.com/news/72129.html
23:06 < JayDugger> http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4588104&c=FEA&s=TEC
23:06 < QuantumG> cool
23:06 < JayDugger> Cool, yes. Useful? Valuable? 
23:06 < fenn> now with social networking capabilities, so you can find your friends and kill them
23:06 < JayDugger> Three different adjectives with three sets of overlapping criteria.
23:07 < QuantumG> my company scans windows mobile apps for security flaws.. and we're working on iPhone apps.. no idea about Android, so I just sent a "do we do this?" question to em.
23:07 < QuantumG> so yeah, thanks.
23:07 < JayDugger> Mostly right, yes. I think the verb the vendor uses is "save," not "kill."
23:07 < fenn> does it come with an AR app for minefields?
23:07 < JayDugger> Not yet, but I think the military would buy that in a red-hot minute.
23:08 < JayDugger> Most of the mobile apps I saw were, well..."crude" is a little kind.
23:08 < fenn> yeah but the developer would have to wade through a year of bullshit and runaround before they could write a single line of code
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23:09 < JayDugger> Yeah, and then field-test with opposition forces trying to use the devices for targeting and intelligence.
23:10 < JayDugger> That means electronic warfare and information warfare, all of which turns into classified material.
23:10 < JayDugger> A whole different range of suck.
23:10 < JayDugger> Oh, and ITAR too.
23:10 < JayDugger> A second whole different range of suck.
23:10 < JayDugger> Two of the reasons I don't miss my previous employer's military contracts.
23:11 < JayDugger> The money was good, though.
23:11 < JayDugger> Three years ago I looked for work. I'd had enough, had money, and took a year or so off while I lived off savings.
23:12 < JayDugger> One lead was for a job maintaining radar sets on a USAF test range.
23:12 < JayDugger> Characterizing weapons performance in real-world conditions and with live-fire tests.
23:13 < JayDugger> The interview did not go well. "Let me understand you sir. I have to get a Top Secret clearance, with a Single Scope Background Investigation before you can tell which state I'll work in?"
23:14 < JayDugger> "And once done, I'll go camping without running water for weeks on-end?"
23:14 < JayDugger> "And you'll pay 40% less than my previous employer?"
23:14 < JayDugger> "I am so sorry. I seem to have forgotten everything I ever knew about radar."
23:14 < JayDugger> "Good luck filling the position sir."
23:15 < fenn> maybe the electronics reacts differently to body odor
23:16 < JayDugger> Nah...they just wanted people who'd lived sheltered lives, without opportunity to get in trouble--eligible for a clearance, and too ignorant to know they were shamelessly underpaid.
23:16 < fenn> what sort of people are not eligible for top secret clearance?
23:17 < JayDugger> Oh, if you have good credit and clean criminal record you shouldn't have too much trouble getting a SECRET clearance.
23:19 < JayDugger> I have not held a TOP SECRET, so I can only tell you anecdotes from people I know who held them and from the application form I saw in 1995.
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23:19 < JayDugger> Then you had to give a record of every place you'd lived in the last ten years.
23:19 < fenn> i dont really see what your credit score has to do with whether you're a spy
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23:19 < JayDugger> MICE: Money, Ideology, Compromise, Ego.
23:20 < JayDugger> If you have a lot of debt, you're vulnerable to bribes.
23:20 < fenn> uhm. that's fucking retarded
23:20 < JayDugger> If you've a lot of income that's hard to explain, you might be selling secrets.
23:20 < JayDugger> Not retarded, just counter-intuitive.
23:21 < JayDugger> Hang on, let me find an example.
23:21 < JayDugger> Oh, and polygraph checks...
23:21 < JayDugger> I'd forgotten that crap.
23:21 < fenn> do they still ask if you're a communist?
23:22 < JayDugger> I don't think so.
23:22 < JayDugger> I've never been asked.
23:22 < JayDugger> OTOH, I never made much secret of my political views at work. I just avoided discussing them.
23:22 < JayDugger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames
23:23 < JayDugger> "The CIA finally decided to focus on Ames after it was realized that on a $60,000 salary, Ames was able to afford:"
23:23 < JayDugger> A $540,000 house in Arlington, Virginia, paid for in cash;[24]
23:23 < JayDugger> Home remodeling and redecoration costs of $99,000;[24]
23:24 < JayDugger> Premium credit cards whose minimum monthly payment exceeded his monthly salary.[26]
23:24 < fenn> it doesn't take an intelligence agency to figure that out
23:24 < JayDugger> So a credit check also sets a baseline against which future financial transactions get measured.
23:24 < JayDugger> It shouldn't, no. :)
23:24 < JayDugger> But it did.
23:25 < JayDugger> Thus the joke, "Intelligence Agency is an oxymoron."
23:28 < JayDugger> Here you go, fenn. "...clearance may be denied (for having a large amount of debt,  for having admitted to seeing a doctor for a mental health condition, or for having admitted to other items of security concern (such as a criminal record or a history of drug use.)"
23:28 < JayDugger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
23:28 < fenn> huh
23:29 < JayDugger> The article is pretty badly organized, but the links are pretty good.
23:29 < JayDugger> Browsing openings at Clearancejobs.com will give you a good impression of what sort of employers require security clearances for what sort of work.
23:30 < JayDugger> Assuming my babbling hasn't drowned your curiosity. :)
23:30 < JayDugger> unset lecture-mode.
23:33 < fenn> all the "engineer" stuff is "software engineer"
23:36 < JayDugger> At clearancejobs? That doesn't surprise me.
23:37 < JayDugger> How much demand exists for EEs, MEs, etc. these days?
23:37 < fenn> i thought the americans still actually made stuff for their military
23:37 < JayDugger> That would probably be proportional to the number of major defense programs _starting_.
23:38 < JayDugger> Not many now, and those mostly UAVs.
23:38 < fenn> well fuck, even iranian teenagers are building UAV's
23:38 < JayDugger> Right. A low requirement for skill levels means a relatively large supply of candidates.
23:39 < JayDugger> Why advertise for something like that?
23:40 < JayDugger> If you want to work on aircraft, say, you have few options, and not much demand beyond what in-house engineering can supply.
23:40 < JayDugger> Saudi Arabia bought a batch of aircraft, and so did Israel, but the primary contractors have extant engineers who need work.
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23:53 < JayDugger> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/11/04/the-open-kinect-project-the-ok-prize-get-1000-bounty-for-kinect-for-xbox-360-open-source-drivers/
23:53 < JayDugger> I made a public fool of myself playing with local Fry's demo Kinect today.
23:53 < JayDugger> It was pretty neat, but not enough to buy.
23:55 < JayDugger> It has a bit of lag between body motion and avatar response, but not much.
23:56 < JayDugger> A large video display makes the effect more evocative.
23:57 < JayDugger> The closer your avatar's size to your body's size, the better I expect. 
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