--- Log opened Thu Nov 25 00:00:08 2010 00:19 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:29 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:45 < kanzure> Bill Paspaliaris, adistem, stem cells + LEDs? 01:00 < dbolser> Select Biosciences is delighted to announce the inaugural European Lab Automation congress 01:00 < dbolser> http://www.technologynetworks.net/email/r/redirect.aspx?id=314138&contentid=116935&url=http://www.selectbiosciences.com/conferences/ELA2011/ 01:07 < dbolser> btw, anyone go for the 23 and me sale? 01:07 < dbolser> This code is only valid until Friday, 11/26 01:07 < dbolser> http://shirleywho.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/get-it-while-its-hot-23andme-for-99/ 01:08 < dbolser> You may have already heard the rumors floating around and they're all true: 23andMe is having another sale -- the whole thing for $99! 01:08 < dbolser> Use discount code UA3XJH at checkout to get $400 off the regular price. (This code is only valid until Friday, 11/26.) 01:09 < Utopiah> US only? 01:10 < dbolser> nope 01:10 < dbolser> big shipping charge though 01:10 < dbolser> and an extra $60 for 'subscription' 01:10 < dbolser> but still a big saving 01:11 < dbolser> cost me £107 01:11 < dbolser> is that like ... 10,000 eruo ;-) 01:13 < dbolser> The DNA chip that we use genotypes hundreds of thousands of SNPs at one time. It actually reads 1,000,000 SNPs that are spread across your entire genome. Although this is still only a fraction of the 10 million SNPs that are estimated to be in the human genome, these 1,000,000 SNPs are specially selected "tag SNPs." 01:17 < dbolser> can we have a channel genome pool? 01:17 < dbolser> They even ship to the vatican... 01:18 < dbolser> I need to dig up that 'blood of christ' 01:23 < Utopiah> (naive med question) are there strokes or brain tumor leading to major memory loss highly correlated to some if the SNPs read by 23&me? 01:23 < Utopiah> in fact anything that could sudden major memory loss 01:44 < dbolser> Utopiah: not sure off the top of my head... 01:45 < dbolser> I spoke to a guy in 'clinical sequencing' who was talking about this... 01:45 < dbolser> (genetics of neur-cognative disfunction) 01:45 < dbolser> actually, he kind of babbled... 01:45 < dbolser> lemmy see... 01:45 < dbolser> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090415172235.htm 01:46 < dbolser> Genetic Variant Tied To Increased Stroke Risk 01:46 < dbolser> www.acnr.co.uk/pdfs/volume4issue4/v4i4reviewartstroke.pdf 01:48 < Utopiah> sounds like a good starting point, thank you 01:48 < Utopiah> if you are curious it's for http://fabien.benetou.fr/Slideshows/MemoryLoss?action=slideshow ;) 01:53 < dbolser> ty 01:53 < dbolser> here is the guy, I think... 01:53 < dbolser> Identification of individuals within study cohorts with unusual intermediate phenotypes 01:53 < dbolser> Vicky E Cho¹, Rohan B Williams¹ 01:53 < dbolser> 1 01:53 < dbolser> JCSMR, The Australian National University, Genome Biology Program, Canberra, 01:53 < dbolser> 2601, Australia 01:53 < dbolser> Whole-genome sequencing on individuals is offering a powerful new approach to 01:53 < dbolser> dissecting genotype-phenotype architecture in human health and disease. Recent studies 01:53 < dbolser> have highlighted the difficulties in identifying genomic (or epigenomic) correlates of 01:54 < dbolser> physiological- or behavioural-level phenotypes, suggesting that more detailed phenotypic 01:54 < dbolser> characterisation of individuals may improve the utilisation of re-sequencing technologies. 01:54 < dbolser> Intermediate phenotypes, namely mRNA, protein or metabolite levels, offer an ideal 01:54 < dbolser> phenomenological level for more targeted phenotyping. Here, we address this issue by 01:54 < dbolser> developing methodology for identifying individuals that demonstrate unusual 01:54 < dbolser> characteristics in global mRNA levels, and illustrate this approach using expression 01:54 < dbolser> microarray data from CNS-tissue in 135 normal human subjects (Myers et al, 2007). To 01:54 < dbolser> characterise inter-individual differences in gene expression, we measure inter-individual 01:54 < dbolser> co-variance using a robust version of the Mahalanobis distance statistic. Rather than 01:54 < dbolser> attempt to analyse global expression differences between individuals, we focus on 01:54 < dbolser> analysing inter-individual differences that are present in gene-sets, (i.e. a set of genes that 01:54 < dbolser> share some common properties, e.g. co-regulation, membership of a known signaling 01:54 < dbolser> pathway, etc). We then adapt multivariate outlier methods to identify individuals that 01:54 < dbolser> demonstrate unusual patterns of expression in a given gene set with respect to the rest of 01:54 < dbolser> the cohort. Due to the complex co-variance structure of microarray data, we have 01:54 < dbolser> developed procedures to distinguish whether an individual's status as an "outlier" is not 01:54 < dbolser> simply related to unusual distributional properties of the underlying microarray data. Our 01:54 < dbolser> approach could be used to target individuals in large study cohorts, in which molecular 01:54 < dbolser> phenotypic data have been assayed, for aberrant expression of either known or putative 01:54 < dbolser> pathways or functional gene sets. The ability to identify such individuals could be critical 01:55 < dbolser> in pinpointing subjects for further, more targeted assessment: for example, more 01:55 < dbolser> extensive genotyping or resequencing, assessment of subject-specific environmental 01:55 < dbolser> influences or more intensive clinical phenotyping. 01:55 < dbolser> genetics of sleep? 01:55 < dbolser> Genetic Basis of Human Sleep Behaviors -Studies from Familial Sleep Phase Syndromes 01:55 < dbolser> Angela L Huang¹, Christopher R Jones², Ying-Hui Fu¹, Louis J Ptacek¹ 01:57 < dbolser> ageing 01:57 < dbolser> The application of genome-wide association studies of aging in a patient-driven clinical 01:58 < dbolser> trial. 01:58 < dbolser> Melanie Swan¹, Aaron Vollrath¹, Raymond McCauley¹ 01:58 < dbolser> 1 01:58 < dbolser> DIYgenomics, Personalized Genome Research, Palo Alto, CA, 94306 01:58 < QuantumG> wall of text 01:59 < dbolser> sorry, I figure ... well.. sorry 01:59 < QuantumG> meh, not like anyone else was saying anything 02:01 < dbolser> can we make a 'genome scoring game' and see who on the channel gets the highest score? 02:02 < Utopiah> ? 02:02 < QuantumG> of everyone with a 23 and me account? I think you'd win :P 02:02 < dbolser> lowest disease risk? 02:03 < dbolser> $99 :-) 02:03 < QuantumG> .. I was just thinking.. quite a number of towns in Australia have construction (of housing) as their primary industry. 02:04 < QuantumG> talk about your self-perpetuating economy 02:05 < dbolser> when is it not? 02:05 < QuantumG> most places don't have housing construction as the primary industry.. there's usually some economic reason that brings people to the area. 02:06 < QuantumG> like, a mining town or a mill town or even a technology center 02:06 < dbolser> ic 02:06 < dbolser> its particularly clear in this case 02:06 < QuantumG> but I imagine there are people who move to "housing towns" :P 02:07 < QuantumG> s/people/builders/ 02:07 < QuantumG> "hey, there's lots of building going on over here, we should move there to get a job building houses." 02:08 < QuantumG> a town of builders.. building houses for more builders to move into. 02:13 -!- niftyzero1 [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15 -!- niftyzero1 [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:18 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:19 < dbolser> QuantumG: right, but is the big picture really different? it's more diverse, but... 02:20 < QuantumG> well, I imagine the bubble of a building town will burst eventually 02:20 < QuantumG> but yes, that's similar to the wider economy 02:20 < dbolser> you're right though, canibalism is not a long term ecological strategy 02:22 < QuantumG> monoculture 02:23 < dbolser> monoculture monoculture 02:37 < QuantumG> :) 02:42 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:54 -!- memorex [~durp@c-68-34-207-23.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:57 -!- JayDugger1 [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10 < fenn> gah 03:26 -!- r0y [~root@bas5-barrie18-2925278090.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:33 -!- r0y 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sorry, did you find it online? 06:14 < dbolser> http://hplus.pastebin.com/WY9Q2A3R 06:16 < dbolser> kanzure: genotyped? 06:17 < kanzure> they told me i have too many base pairs to be human :( 06:25 < dbolser> orly? 06:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:30 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:44 -!- phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:44 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:49 -!- phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:50 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:04 < kanzure> http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Publishing_information_is_made_dangerous 07:11 < dbolser> a big field of research is dedicated to predicting this kind of patent 07:12 < dbolser> michael schroder, my old colleague, worked on that 07:16 < kanzure> does anyone have access to this? http://www.sciencebusiness.net/info/get_sciencebusiness.php 07:16 < kanzure> http://www.earto.eu/nc/service/news/details/article/innovation-and-the-economy/ 07:24 < dbolser> what in particular? 07:25 < kanzure> the article "Innovation and the economy: innovation bonds" 07:30 < kanzure> "Two kinds of innovation bonds are under consideration." 07:30 < kanzure> "The more radical approach would see the formation of a knowledge bank where people with an innovative idea could trade certain rights in return for money to develop the idea." 07:30 < kanzure> "A more conventional approach would be to provide state loan guarantees, offering lower returns to private investors of maybe 25 to 50 percent, but with a lower risk." 07:32 < kanzure> all of the search results for "klaus gretschmann" are pdf files.. this must be what europe is like 07:32 < dbolser> This page requires a subscription 07:32 < dbolser> sorry 07:32 < dbolser> (trying MPI) 07:33 < dbolser> kanzure: tried that 'password' plugin for firefox? 07:33 < dbolser> allows you to share logins... prolly unlikely here 07:33 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.76.104] has quit [Quit: codeshepherd] 07:35 < dbolser> http://www.scribd.com/National-Innovation-Funds-Act-of-2011/d/31629907 ? 07:35 < kanzure> http://ec.europa.eu/invest-in-research/pdf/download_en/gretschmann.pdf 07:36 < kanzure> dbolser: wtf why are you using scribd 07:37 < kanzure> can you just link me to the pdf instead 07:43 -!- r0y [~root@bas5-barrie18-2925278090.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:46 -!- pasky [pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:51 -!- r0y [~root@bas5-barrie18-2925278090.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:59 < dbolser> kanzure: no clue, random google hit 07:59 < dbolser> sorry 08:00 -!- pasky [pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:05 -!- pasky [pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12 -!- Redeemer 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10:00 < archels> obligatory sigh 10:02 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02 < wrldpc2> predetermined reaction to obligatory sigh. 10:07 < Utopiah> so lively those scripts looked like real chat 10:07 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:10 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:31 -!- phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:35 -!- phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:39 < archels> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/11/adam-savage-tsa-saw-my-junk-missed-12-razor-blades.ars 10:39 < archels> I didn't know Adam Savage is doing stand-up comedy now. 10:42 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 10:49 < archels> Or, well, stand-up /something/. 11:00 -!- phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.17.41] 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is embarrassing to the scientific process and I will have no part of it." 17:57 < joshcryer> Consider "Through the Wormhole." They were going to do a spot on Garrett Lisi's ESTOE. They spent all of 5 minutes actually talking about it and absoultely nothing was said. Nothing. I am not joking. 18:00 -!- klafka [~klafka@pool-72-88-88-205.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:16 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:47 < mayko> heh yeah i got the History Channel's take on astronomy as a 5 DVD set for christmas a few years ago 18:47 < mayko> it was.... lulzy. 18:48 < mayko> 1,000 WAYS THAT THE UNIVERSE CAN KILL YOU 18:48 < mayko> BLACK HOLES ARE 'PROWLING THE GALAXY' IN SEARCH OF PLANETS JUST LIKE EARTH 18:49 < mayko> i miss the heyday of the discovery channel; it used to have decent programming before everyone decided that reality tv is the wave of the future 18:54 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-24-91-23-221.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 19:19 -!- opensanta_ is now known as opensanta 19:25 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:49 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:49 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:57 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57 -!- opensanta_ [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- opensanta_ is now known as opensanta 20:09 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:29 < kanzure> lee uploaded http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/AFM/ to http://www.thingiverse.com/technologiclee/things 20:29 < kanzure> of course, the plastic parts are not really the meat-and-potato of what's going on 20:33 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:45 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:45 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:46 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.76.104] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:55 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:57 < epitron> mmm... meat and potatoes.... 21:09 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:25 -!- metaliving [~victorere@129.133.197.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@173-11-40-11-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:35 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:20 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:30 -!- fitzsim [~fitzsim@bas3-toronto06-2925098524.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30 -!- fitzsim [~fitzsim@bas3-toronto06-2925098524.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:33 < Utopiah> http://sigbovik.org 22:37 -!- fitzsim [~fitzsim@bas3-toronto06-2925098524.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:54 -!- Daeken [~Daeken@cpe-66-108-56-142.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:57 -!- niftyzero1 [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59 -!- niftyzero1 [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:05 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@173-11-40-11-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:07 < joshcryer> http://spectrum.ieee.org/robotics/artificial-intelligence/moneta-a-mind-made-from-memristors 23:08 < QuantumG> nice 23:09 < joshcryer> Low quality article for those who have been keeping track, but yeah, I was entertained. 23:10 < QuantumG> here's what we need to do: knock out the gene(s) in mice that produce the cerebellum.. test 'em to make sure they suck at all experiments that require memory/reasoning/etc. Wire in an artificial cerebellum. Profit! 23:14 < joshcryer> I like their virtual technique, just artifically evolve animats, until you have one that performs adequately at tasks. 23:15 < QuantumG> yeah, but if you had a mouse that stored its memories in a removable device you could plug it into another knockout mouse and prove that it could perform similarly to the first. 23:15 < QuantumG> hello neuromancer, I'm home. 23:16 < joshcryer> Lots of learning about processing algorithms can be done that way. Throw a problem at an animat, figure out which one solves the problem the quickest and most effectively (doesn't have to be perfect, as we humans are by no means perfect), and you really start to understand how these algorithms work. Might not necessarily be a human-analog, could be better. 23:16 < joshcryer> But then you're limited to mouse-architecture. :( 23:16 < QuantumG> no.. the next step is higher mammals and eventually humans 23:19 < QuantumG> when you die we'll clone you, pull the crystal memory from the base of your skull and reboot your new body. - with apologies to Peter F. Hamilton 23:19 < joshcryer> Take optical character recognigtion, we got a lot of that from analyzing how humans do it, while mediocre at best, if you discovered an algorithm that did it with half as many neural pathways with twice as much accuracy you may as well say "screw trying to figure out how humans do it." 23:20 < joshcryer> And are you sure you're not thinking of Richard Morgan? :P 23:21 -!- phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:21 < QuantumG> nah, Peter F. Hamilton did it better.. introducing that technology in like 2 paragraphs so he could tell a story spanning a few hundred years without having to invent new characters all the time 23:22 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:23 < joshcryer> Fair enough, Takeshi Kovacs did seem to go downhill after Altored Carbon. 23:23 < joshcryer> I'll have to check his stuff out. 23:26 < joshcryer> DARPA loves to go with crazy shit though, we'll have damn drones that can do really accurate facial recognition and assasinate people individually with 99.99% accuracy with no collateral damage or something. 23:40 < joshcryer> kanzure, joshcryer #memristor 23:40 < joshcryer> :) 23:40 * joshcryer goes to sleep for real now --- Log closed Fri Nov 26 00:00:07 2010