--- Log opened Sun Dec 26 00:00:04 2010 00:22 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:57 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:42 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:18 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00 < kanzure> timschmidt: wire edm post: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/affcd3e8ac2750fe 08:19 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:31 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.179.66] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 -!- JaredWigmore [~JaredW@122-59-91-107.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-59-91-107.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:19 -!- jmil [~jmil@nic-aruba-dhcp-224-481.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:44 -!- jmil [~jmil@nic-aruba-dhcp-224-481.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: jmil] 10:03 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-76-125-247-186.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:03 < delinquentme> anyone here done anything with robotic arms ?? 10:21 < kanzure> http://www.personal.psu.edu/u0y/nanoreef/papers/360204hs.pdf 10:22 < kanzure> delinquentme: sure.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/2010-05-28_puma500.jpg is mine 10:25 -!- itdnhr [~root@68.68.96.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:28 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-76-124-67-155.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:30 < kanzure> hi itdnhr, jmil 10:33 * itdnhr waves at kanzure 10:33 < kanzure> timschmidt: you around? 10:33 < kanzure> itdnhr: tim is wanting to do some welding-via-reprap 10:34 < kanzure> actually i should be talking about phreedom, he was the one doing wire edm in here before 10:35 < kanzure> phreedom: ping? 10:35 < jmil> hey kanzure 10:35 < kanzure> howdy jmil 10:37 < phreedom> kanzure: pong... 10:38 < kanzure> phreedom: how's that edm machine :P 10:38 < itdnhr> phreedom: Wire EDM via pulsed discharge from supercaps sound interesting? 10:38 < phreedom> you don't really need any super caps 10:38 < kanzure> jmil: anything new? did your paper get published 10:38 < phreedom> regular ones will do :) 10:39 < phreedom> kanzure: I'm out of free time now :( 10:39 < phreedom> hw stuff has to wait 10:39 < itdnhr> there's a project similar to what I'm talking about in the hackaday archives, but the guy who did it is using a PIC, a custom PSU, etc, compared to an arduino mega and computer PSU - 'standard' fair. 10:39 < itdnhr> phreedom: I happen to have a set of 35F/2.5v supercaps with 5mOhm internal resistance 10:41 < phreedom> I don't think I ever encountered an edm tool that used 2v 10:41 < delinquentme> kanzure, its cute.. what do you use it for? 10:41 < itdnhr> I have seven of them; planning on using a 5F/12V bank 10:42 < itdnhr> 2v should theoretically work, but would require a prohibitively large level of accuracy; not a whole lot of wiggle room between your business end and metal 10:46 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:48 < kanzure> delinquentme: it's a giant lamp rack right now 10:49 < delinquentme> haha gotya 10:49 < kanzure> lamp rack. what? i meant coat rack or lamp stand 10:50 < kanzure> dbolser: bio.cc is still down 10:54 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@unaffiliated/jrabbit] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:55 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@unaffiliated/jrabbit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:03 < kanzure> jrayhawk: supposedly i'm doing post-update image generation scripts today 11:03 < kanzure> i have some stuff in skdb.git like iges2png and step2png 11:04 < kanzure> plus stl2pov (and i'll need to write openscad-to-stl-to-pov as a quick wrapper) 11:04 < kanzure> iges2png works by using opencascade to convert from IGES to STL 11:04 < kanzure> opencascade uses opengl for visualization but it seems to require xorg to be running 11:05 < kanzure> i was wondering if you have any hints on how i could molest it to run headless and still let opengl do its thing 11:05 < kanzure> opencascade's "save a png of the object" function is literally "take a screenshot of the active xorg session" 11:05 < kanzure> so if you have windows in front of the opencascade viewport, those windows will be present in the screenshot 11:06 < kanzure> i should note that the opencascade developers are.. awful 11:10 < g4k> kanzure: what's an iges file? 11:11 < kanzure> it's a lot like STEP (ISO 10303-21) except without useful descriptors or words in the file format >:o 11:11 < kanzure> it's a solid geometry file format for specify surfaces and boundaries of a 3D object 11:11 < kanzure> (both STEP and IGES fit this description) 11:11 < kanzure> however, neither of these are parametric file formats :/ 11:12 < kanzure> which reminds me.. someone should bug me to release my notes on the solidworks file format. i've made some progress in reverse engineering it but i haven't put the notes anywhere usefl 11:12 < kanzure> *useful 11:14 < kanzure> rest of the wire edm conversation from above is over here: 11:14 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/t/affcd3e8ac2750fe 11:14 < kanzure> in case anyone is actually trying to follow this :x 11:15 < g4k> are you caffeinated, kanzure ? 11:15 < g4k> or perhaps manic 11:17 < g4k> comparatively, which is easier as a first project: gel electrophoresis, or flow cytometry? 11:17 < kanzure> i'd like to be manic but i don't think i am 11:17 < kanzure> i just abuse nootropics or something 11:17 < g4k> yeah, isn't caffeine considered a nootropic? 11:17 < g4k> or is it just an anxiolytic now ;p 11:17 < kanzure> sure, but i'm actually on adderall 11:18 < g4k> ah, np then buddy 11:18 < kanzure> huh? 11:18 < g4k> no problem* 11:18 < kanzure> that's not what i was.. nvm 11:18 < g4k> anyway, let me abuse that hyperactive brain of yours for a minute 11:18 < g4k> gel electrophoresis or flow cytometry? 11:18 < kanzure> i'm still trying to decide 11:19 < kanzure> would you be building your own power supply for gel electrophoresis? 11:20 < kanzure> i.e. http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Notebook/Open_Gel_Box_2.0 11:20 < g4k> http://www.bch.cuhk.edu.hk/workshop-dna/background.html 11:20 < kanzure> i.e. http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/303 11:20 < g4k> this guy is using 8 9v batteries 11:21 < kanzure> g4k: and you know about the hand-based methods too? i.e. water bath setup 11:21 < kanzure> i guess a water bath setup is "technically" easier in the sense that you don't have to build much 11:21 < kanzure> what the hell. sorry, i was assuming you were doing PCR 11:22 < kanzure> i'm going away now that i've disgraced myself. i'll brb if you leave any questions 11:22 < kanzure> g4k: gel electrophoresis, especially if you want community help/assistance/troubleshooting. 11:24 < g4k> alright 11:25 < kanzure> i mean.. in terms of quantity of available help ;) not in terms of "we won't help you" :) 11:26 < g4k> i know 11:27 < g4k> sounds fun :) 11:29 -!- JaredWigmore is now known as JaredW 11:38 < g4k> kanzure: thank you for pointing out openwetware.org, holy grail man 11:51 < kanzure> their registration process is a little fucked up 11:53 < delinquentme> g4k, you're a researcher? 11:54 < delinquentme> and kanzure you were sending him to a gel electrophoresis help forum? 11:54 < kanzure> no? 11:54 < kanzure> i showed him some power supply schematics 11:57 < kanzure> g4k: i help maintain the diybio faq on openwetware.. i.e. http://bit.ly/diybionews which might be interesting if you're into hype 11:59 < archels> 1.5kV @ 1mA? Maybe you can hack the HV PSU from an old laser printer. 12:09 < g4k> delinquentme: not exactly, i'm a guy looking for stuff for our hackerspace to do 12:10 < delinquentme> g4k, wheres ur hakerspace:D? 12:15 < g4k> Orlando, FL 12:16 < g4k> going to buy a television too large for my room, bbl! 12:19 < delinquentme> http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/318 with something like this ... does it matter what language you hack it with .. just so long as its a core language? 12:41 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:04 -!- Juul [~Juul@cpe-204-210-140-74.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:07 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:13 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:35 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-76-124-67-155.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 14:00 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.179.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:04 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-76-124-67-155.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 < jrayhawk> I would suggest making a plugin to ikiwiki for rendering various file formats as images. 14:12 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:12 < jrayhawk> like the functionality of (Ikiwiki/plugins/teximg.pm|Ikiwiki/plugins/graphviz.pm) plus Ikiwiki/plugins/autoindex.pm 14:24 < timschmidt> kanzure: am now 14:24 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:42 < timschmidt> am leaving now, will be back in a few hours 14:42 -!- timschmidt [~tim@h96-60-31-214.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:53 -!- Juul [~Juul@cpe-204-210-140-74.hvc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:15 < delinquentme> kanzure, if my teeth are messed up .. du have any cheap ways of hacking oral inserts to fix them 15:15 < archels> lol. 15:18 < delinquentme> ^_^ 15:18 < delinquentme> im tripping out over it that for invisalign they want 3 grand 15:18 < delinquentme> F that 15:18 < delinquentme> theres gotta be a cheaper way 15:19 < delinquentme> and its like MINIMAL movement like after i get wisdom teeth yanked .. one tooth needs move liked 3 mm 17:03 -!- timschmidt [~tim@68-188-226-100.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:38 < delinquentme> so the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gel_electrophoresis .... at the bottom of the page .. is that a fairly comprehensive list of methods to study proteins? 18:45 -!- Juul [~Juul@cpe-204-210-140-74.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:52 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:16 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:16 -!- Juul [~Juul@cpe-204-210-140-74.hvc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:50 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:58 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:08 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:29 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:48 < delinquentme> kanzure, i dont need all of those but a few would be outstanding 20:56 < kanzure> i am not here at the moment 22:31 < kanzure> new cnczone subforum http://www.cnczone.com/forums/3d_printers/ 22:32 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:52 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-76-124-67-155.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 23:00 -!- jm|earth [~jm@p57B9D991.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:19 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:19 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:28 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 23:38 -!- metaliving [~anastasis@ppp-94-66-121-209.home.otenet.gr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:38 -!- metaliving [~anastasis@ppp-94-66-121-209.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Client Quit] 23:43 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-59-91-107.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-59-91-107.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Mon Dec 27 00:00:04 2010