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06:36 < kanzure> yet another connectome article http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/28/science/28brain.html
06:36 < kanzure> http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/
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06:38 < archels> `login required'
06:38 < archels> fuckers.
06:40 < kanzure> ny times?
06:40 < archels> yes
06:40 < kanzure> eh it's not super important
06:40 < kanzure> but i'll grab you the article later
06:41 < archels> KurzweilAI managed to make an absolutely worthless summary
06:41 < kanzure> kurzweilai always has a worthless summary
06:41 < archels> alright, well, if it contains nothing interesting...
06:41 < archels> but thanks for the offer
06:41 < kanzure> oh it's interesting, but it's not like it's anything super new about connectomics or those guys
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06:42 < kanzure> i mean it's the ny times :P this is not the bleeding edge of scientific publication
06:42 < archels> sure, but it can serve as pointers to the real stuff, like a WikiPedia article.
06:42 < kanzure> lookup brainbow
06:42 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainbow
06:43 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/images?q=brainbow
06:43 < archels> seen it
06:44 < archels> I bet reporters love that technique if only for the flashy images it provides for their articles.
06:44 < kanzure> i would pay for high res brainbow photos for my walls :/
06:45 < archels> haha. I guess the resolution is limited by the microscope's optics though?
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06:46 < archels> 600 dpi half a metre across may not give a very sharp image?
06:46 < archels> or am I talking out of my arse.
06:47 < kanzure> it's limited more by the images that they published
06:47 < kanzure> tiny little figures in a paper..
06:48 < archels> Sure, but it's in principle possible to take erotically high resolution images looking down onto the sample?
06:51 < kanzure> yes but it depends on something about your optics, field of focus, etc.
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07:10 < Lukas_> How did the video conversion go?
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07:42 < kanzure> Lukas_: haven't done it yet
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07:44 < Lukas_> ah
07:48 < kanzure> max more interview published today
07:48 < kanzure> http://spacecollective.org/Wildcat/6485/Plugging-into-the-epic-A-rational-poetry-of-the-future-An-essay-and-interview-with-Max-More
07:48 < kanzure> (he's presently driving to arizona actually..)
07:51 < Lukas_> Thanks
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08:48 < Lukas_> I love Max More's dear mother nature
08:48 < Lukas_> it was my first time reading it
08:54 < g4k>  /wind 2
08:54 < g4k> err
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09:39 < kanzure> lol on wta-talk: "This whole "Genspace" idea is truly revolutionary but isn't there the real danger that some unstable actor such as, oh, I don't know, Osama Bin Laden might try to do the same thing using Genspace as a template?"
09:39 < kanzure> "Based on some of the posts about this facilities capabilities, it sounds like the perfect facility to develop WMD's I was just wondering if anyone had explored that possible outcome. I guess we should also look into whether or not some Al Qaida affiliate that already in the United States doesn't set up a Genspace"
09:39 < Lukas_> xD
09:40 < kanzure> "(or more than one since they are so low cost and easy to put together!)  analog inside the basement(s) of some low-profile suburban house(s) outside one or major metropolitan cities."
09:40 < kanzure> oh noes! osama bin laden might be using genspace!
09:40 < Lukas_> Osama is everywhere
09:40 < Lukas_> lol
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09:42 < uniqanomaly__> of course it is
09:42 < Lukas_> Do these government types know the definition of 'open souce'?
09:42 < Lukas_> source*
09:42 < uniqanomaly__> assumption behind TSA is that everyone is terrorist
09:44 < uniqanomaly__> they should create license for buying knives
09:45 < uniqanomaly__> one have a license = never convicted of murder
09:45 < uniqanomaly__> ok, that was little grotesque
09:49 < Lukas_> It was a good analogy
10:03 < Lukas_> Does anyone have a list of the DIYbio groups in New York ( NYC/ Long Island)?  Thanks for the help in advance
10:03 < kanzure> diybio-nyc is http://genspace.org/
10:03 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio-nyc
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10:40 < Lukas_> Thank you
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11:13 < kanzure> jmil: where does organovo put its printed tissues?
11:14 < kanzure> manual caretaking via petri dishes and lab protocols?
11:14 < jmil> they are making vascular grafts, so it would be for blood vessel replacement kanzure
11:14 < jmil> oh you mean during tissue culture before implantation?
11:14 < kanzure> yes
11:14 < jmil> if so, it would be bioreactors
11:14 < jmil> probably flow perfusion setups
11:15 < kanzure> like so? http://www.hugo-sachs.de/bath/images/il2_new.jpg
11:15 < jmil> here's one version: http://westlab.rice.edu/download?fileType=publication&id=1235
11:15 < jmil> kanzure: ya that'd work fine
11:16 < jmil> you have to balance mechanical compliance of the tissue and pulsatile flow rate and a bunch of other stuff but it's well worked out
11:16 < kanzure> haha yeah that doesn't look commercially viable on a level comparable to "3d tissue printers"
11:16 < jmil> you can download all westlab publications, by the way...
11:16 < jmil> kanzure: what?
11:17 < kanzure> just thinking :)
11:17 < kanzure> when you print tissue you have to put it somewhere
11:18 < kanzure> you see, some of us have this crazy scheme to do whole body transplants or whole brain preservation through methods like putting a brain "in a jar"
11:18 < kanzure> i.e. some people aren't really happy with alcor or cryonics institute
11:18 < Lukas_> *cough*
11:18 < kanzure> so anyway, you need to be able to network organs together in that sort of environment
11:18 < kanzure> lung machines, dialysis machines, etc. work fine
11:19 < kanzure> but it doesn't seem like there's a "commercially sold box" for tissue culture life support
11:19 < Lukas_> Next project, perhaps?
11:20 < kanzure> nah i know someone working on this but i wanted jmil's opinions
11:20 < kanzure> since jmil does tissue printing.. stuff.
11:21 < kanzure> btw thx for the paper
11:21 < Lukas_> Me?
11:21 < kanzure> jmil lilnked to http://westlab.rice.edu/download?fileType=publication&id=1235
11:21 < kanzure> *linked
11:22 < kanzure> it's "Physiologic pulsatile flow bioreactor conditioning of poly(ethylene glycol)-based tissue engienered vascular grafts"
11:22 < kanzure> *engineered
11:23 < Lukas_> *archived*
11:23 < Lukas_> thanks jmil
11:27 < jmil> all papers can be downloaded for free here: http://westlab.rice.edu/publications
11:27 < jmil> gotta run, laterz peeps
11:27 < Lukas_> O.o
11:27 < Lukas_> thanks
11:28 < kanzure> this one sounds diabolical: "The mouse cornea as a transplantation site for live imaging of engineered tissue constructs."
11:28 < kanzure> <3
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11:32 < Lukas_> xD
11:35 < Lukas_> Does Genspace have a fee for the use of its equipment?
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13:03 < kanzure> Lukas_: $100/mo membership fee
13:03 < kanzure> or something like that
13:04 < Lukas_> ah
13:04 < Lukas_> thanks
13:21 < Lukas_> Remember that DIYbio kit that was in the works?
13:22 < Lukas_> Was the idea developed, or was the project scraped?
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13:55 < kanzure> hi Tyrant91101
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14:38 < Tyrant91101> hey kanzure
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19:00 < QuantumG> What the hell happened this year in the space industry? Anything? Find out with Clark Lindsey on The Space Show, LIVE! http://bit.ly/aAWpCJ
19:00 < QuantumG> starting now
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19:35 < kanzure> what's christine peterson doing in my "open source history" again?
19:35 < kanzure> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1927376&cid=34688312
19:35 < kanzure> "TFA does not support the summary. The submitter does not understand the history involved [hyperlogos.org]. Christine Peterson is one of at least three people including Bruce Perens who claim to have invented the term "Open Source", in spite of the simple fact that the term appears in the media and in press releases prior to that date."
19:36  * kanzure was emailing chris earlier today about foresight institute's upcoming conferences
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19:52 < kanzure> i <3 foresight.org
19:52 < kanzure> i think they just got me into 20under20.org
19:54 < kanzure> apparently they did not "get the quality that they were looking for" in applicants
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21:40 < kanzure> huh? marcin is now doing a ted talk on his global village construction set
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23:17 < g4k> any advice on where to find micrometer-diameter glass tubing?
23:18 < g4k> or how to search for such a thing
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23:33 < kanzure> happy birthday JayDugger
23:34 < g4k> am i supposed to make my own 50um tubing?
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