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00:02 < timschmidt> that looks...  moldy.
00:02 < mayko> yes there were some... hitchikers.
00:03 < mayko> it was a beautiful red though
00:03 < mayko> http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h428/csoeder/Welcome%20to%20Fungopolis/DSC_0278.jpg
00:04 < mayko> lost it to contamination but i have some frozen mycelliated agar gonna start checkin out these pigments lol
00:08 < mayko> workin on a fluorescant orange one right now might be L sulphurus
00:08 < mayko> ok gonna sleep fer realz night ;D
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00:10  * mayko is away: run mycellia run!
00:23 < joshcryer> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer?currentPage=all
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01:32 < dbolser> joshcryer: ...
01:32 < dbolser> is that april 1st?
01:32 < dbolser> it's weird
01:32 < dbolser> It was as if nature gave me this great result and then tried to take it back
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02:16 < joshcryer> dbolser, I've encountered this before.
02:16 < joshcryer> In my own experimentation.
02:17 < joshcryer> Heck, even in my own coding.
02:19 < dbolser> psychological or paranormal?
02:25 < joshcryer> The decline effect.
02:25 < joshcryer> Which I interpret to mean confirmation bias, which the article doesn't mention, but it seems quite similar.
02:25 < joshcryer> Basically if something works it is correct but in subsequent uses it appears less and less correct.
02:25 < joshcryer> In software we call 'em bugs.
02:25 < joshcryer> :D
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04:18 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you guys have any associations with #futuresalon
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07:20 < kanzure> yet another dead-on-arrival wiki for diybio http://wiki.openbioprojects.net
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07:25 < fenn> need to point cia at ##hplus instead of #hplus
07:28 < kanzure> you should read tim schmidt's email and think about it for a month
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07:30 < fenn> i'm so far ahead of you already :P
07:35 < kanzure> did you write it?
07:36 < kanzure> it= the whitepaper that he proposed
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07:50 < fenn> no, maybe i should read it again
07:52 < fenn> hum. lazy reporter never called me back http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/04/MNT41GT99B.DTL&amp;feed=rss.news
07:55 < kanzure> yeah she only spent 10min on the phone with me
07:56 < fenn> haha now you look like a burner
07:56 < kanzure> hm?
07:57 < fenn> they sure like to hype up the dishes line, but nobody seems to care that i started tracking what food i ate so i could plan for crop area on space colonies
07:57 < fenn> "I'll see that we've already talked about things like synthetic biology or Burning Man," Bishop said.
07:58 < kanzure> i think it connects to these people because they do dishes
07:59 < fenn> wow look at the comments
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08:00 < kanzure> "Ok, so there are 1,000 people in the WORLD who take part in this obsessive self-monitoring, and that warrants a story on SFgate?"
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08:02 < thesnark> morning kanzure
08:02 < kanzure> hi thesnark
08:03 < kanzure> thesnark: http://diyhpl.us:9000/random
08:04 < thesnark> knazure Do you know how many hours of footage there is? I'm assuming those are all hplus videos
08:04 < kanzure> thousands
08:04 < kanzure> on average the length is 1h
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08:11 < delinquentme> IOC!
08:11 < delinquentme> OIC*
08:13 < kanzure> fenn: you going to fungusland? http://www.fungusfed.org/ jan 7-9 in santa cruz
08:15 < kanzure> ybit: len sassaman was working on a repeatably deployable *leaks infrastructure (because he doesn't trust anyone else to get the software security right) so if we all bug him enough that might help
08:15 < kanzure> re: paperleaks or scienceleaks
08:23 < kanzure> marcin is listed here: http://www.ted.com/pages/view/id/552
08:23 < kanzure> here's his comment on it: http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/2010/12/ted-fellows-2/
08:24 < kanzure> en español http://imagina-canarias.blogspot.com/2010/12/marcin-es-ahora-ted-fellow.html
08:25 < kanzure> wait. not español
08:25 < kanzure> "one of the romantic languages" it doesn't matter.
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08:30 < kanzure> g4k: is this you? http://www.i3detroit.com/i3-detroit-needs-your-help-to-win-a-laser-cutter
08:30 < kanzure> g4k: you might want to talk with timschmidt (he's in here) since he's relatively local to your scene
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08:43 < kanzure> someone in here was asking about video summarization startups
08:43 < kanzure> and i mentioned michael katsevman used to hang out in here
08:43 < kanzure> http://highlightcam.com/ is his video summarization startup thing.
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08:54 < g4k> kanzure: i posted it for them, but im from familab
08:54 < g4k> they donated like $100 or so to our laser cutter fund on kickstarter
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08:58 < kanzure> gah oembed on fora.tv is broken too? http://fora.tv/partner/Open_Science_Summit :(
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08:59 < kanzure> huh there's a lot of videos from the conference missing there
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09:08 < kanzure> jrayhawk: how do i get ahead of the curve on nanoengineer :( there's a lot of stuff piling up
09:09 < kanzure> like cross-platform testing
09:09 < kanzure> iirc not many projects bother to do automated cross-platform testing (like via metasploit?) but i could be wrong
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10:18 < kanzure> hi thesnark
10:19 < thesnark> hey kanzure
10:29 < thesnark> kanzure You showed me the site you're working on about 3 weeks ago and I lost the conversation
10:29 < thesnark> kanzure Care to show again what you're doing?
10:35 < kanzure> 3 weeks ago.. hrm
10:35 < kanzure> oh http://gitduino.com/ probably
10:36 < kanzure> i've been slacking on that front.
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11:12 < kanzure> jrayhawk: madeline says "oh steve looks a lot like todd huffman"
11:14 < kanzure> hmm now the hard part is explaining why using steve would be funnier
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11:38 < Lukas__> Hullo Kanzure
11:39 < Lukas__> Do you know someone that is well versed at biochemistry?
11:42 < kanzure> i know a handful of people yes
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11:54 < Lukas__> If you could relay this question to them that would be awesome:  The human body is capable of recognizing foreign proteins, which is why gene therapy keeps running into problems.  Are there unique amino acid chains that mark a particular protein as 'you'?
11:54 < Lukas__> that is the question, in a nutshell
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12:05 < fenn> " which is why gene therapy keeps running into problems." well, not really.
12:06 < fenn> most of your proteins are exactly the same as every other human's version of that protein
12:07 < fenn> basically, the answer in a nutshell is, "it's really complicated"
12:07 < fenn> but you might start with reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_histocompatibility_complex
12:10 < fenn> things which are non-self tend to get displayed for recognition
12:10 < Lukas__> thanks!
12:11 < Lukas__>   Please excuse my ignorance
12:13 < fenn> i don't remember anything that identifies a cell or protein as 'self'
12:15 < Lukas__> alright
12:15 < Lukas__> hrm
12:15 < Lukas__> that makes the problem even more of a pain in the ass
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12:23 < kanzure> timschmidt: i don't know if these guys are legit or not http://www.refresheverything.com/dnaprogramming
12:23 < kanzure> timschmidt: they want to do an ann arbor molecular biology teaching space? thing.
12:24 < timschmidt> ...  looking ...
12:24 < kanzure> more details http://www.allhandsactive.com/2011/01/aha-takes-the-pepsi-challenge/
12:24 < kanzure> so far i know of them just because they're asking for money
12:24 < timschmidt> Ah, All Hands Active...  yes, I've met these people
12:24 < kanzure> which suggests to me that they are probably not legit
12:24 < timschmidt> they're a legitimate hackerspace
12:24 < kanzure> i see
12:25 < timschmidt> though they're not particularly cooperative with the i3 Detroit people
12:25 < timschmidt> which are a very inclusive hackerspace
12:29 < timschmidt> AHA gave a demonstration next to ours at TEDxUofM
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13:30 < kanzure> http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/11/26/the-open-source-party-proposal/
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13:43 < kanzure> fenn: is there any chance that a whitepaper is something you'd be willing to organize?
13:43 < kanzure> and write.
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13:59 < jrayhawk> Steve would be funnier because he'd turn even the simplest questions into very difficult to follow meta-discussions on what the implications of the various truthful answers he could give would be
13:59 < AlonzoTG> om
14:02 < jrayhawk> but he'd probably be there to talk about existential risk, so there'd be plenty of that, too
14:06 < kanzure> right
14:07 < kanzure> but i need a way to make that sound appealing *to her*
14:08 < jrayhawk> He is a wonderful straight man to Colbert against.
14:09 < kanzure> aha.
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14:11 < kanzure> hm.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusmagazine-authors.2011-01-06.txt
14:11 < kanzure> hplusmagazine.com has had more authors writing for it than users registered to comment
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14:50 < kanzure> hi gloop
14:50 < gloop> hey
14:52 < AlonzoTG> .
14:54 < AlonzoTG> moof
14:54 < AlonzoTG> =\
14:55 < gloop> woomeow
14:55 < AlonzoTG> ugh...
14:55 < gloop> was that a cat or dog?
14:55 < AlonzoTG> I'm kinda like pseudobanned from exi-chat.
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14:58 < kanzure> hi Juul
14:58 < Juul> hi
14:58 < kanzure> guess the redirect isn't working?
14:58 < Juul> guess not
14:58 < Juul> i just realized i got redirected to ##namespace
14:59 < Juul> which has some explanation
14:59 < gloop> i typed two #s before i got here
14:59 < gloop> i was there too
15:00 < AlonzoTG> Anyone wanna chat?
15:00 < kanzure> no go away
15:00 < AlonzoTG> =(
15:00 < kanzure> ha
15:01 < gloop> what do you do alonzo
15:01 < AlonzoTG> Get yelled at by a co-worker that the documentation I write sucks.
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15:02 < AlonzoTG> I'm a programmer, not a technical writer. =\
15:02 < AlonzoTG> Also, it's hard for me to talk down to ppl.
15:02 < AlonzoTG> so I expect people to have a basic understanding of how java basically works.
15:03  * kanzure will bbl
15:03 < gloop> well, i guess using metaphors sometimes works, but not always
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15:04 < gloop> i studied english before i studied biology. it certainly helps
15:04 < AlonzoTG> He wants me to answer a bunch of questions that I don't have the answer for...
15:04 < gloop> what kind of questions
15:04 < AlonzoTG> like "what is an accuracy report?" -- answer, one day the guy who used to work here came to me and showed me an excel spreadsheet, I reverse engineered the thing and reduced it to two SQL statements.
15:05 < AlonzoTG> So I don't really know what it's for, I only know how the code works.
15:05 < gloop> is the accuracy report the spreadsheet, or the reduced sql statement
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15:06 < AlonzoTG> The old system had a bunch of VBA macros in the excel spreadsheets opening CSV files from all over the place (about 1 meg each), sorting them, doing a bunch of multiply-accumulate instructions, then displaying the data in a fixed form...
15:07 < AlonzoTG> My new version uses two SQL statements to generate the tables then it uses a XSLT template to generate a report. My version will automatically acomodate new mills as they are added where the old version had to be hand-revised. =P
15:08 < gloop> cool
15:09 < gloop> well i have to go. bbs
15:09 < AlonzoTG> My version is so automated that once you tell it where to get the data, everything else is taken care of.
15:09 < gloop> good
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15:22 < kanzure> AlonzoTG: mills? you work with *gasp* actual equipment
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16:39 < fenn> curl -s http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusmagazine-authors.2011-01-06.txt | sort |sed 's/[ \t]*$//'| sed 's/,.*//'| sed 's/ and .*//'| uniq -i | wc -l
16:39 < fenn> 413
16:40 < kanzure> fenn: or http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusmagazine-unique-authors.txt
16:40 < kanzure> 404
16:40 < kanzure> ish
16:41 < fenn> still a lot
16:42 < fenn> that like 2.5 articles per author
16:43 < kanzure> there's only 140 users registered for commenting
16:43 < kanzure> and most of those are spam accounts
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16:45 < kanzure> yesterday i moved the server/software somewhere else
16:46 < kanzure> as soon as i turned it on it was ~200 hits/sec
16:46 < kanzure> about 25% were crawlers and spiders
16:46 < kanzure> with 1040 articles i guess hplusmagazine.com is eating the long tail concept up for breakfast
16:47 < gloop> so 150 hits/sec are unique?
16:48 < kanzure> i didn't check the ip addresses i guess
16:48 < kanzure> i bet some people are just monitoring for when the ip address switches
16:48 < kanzure> and then load the pages to check why things moved.
16:50 < kanzure> fenn: so about an skdb open source hardware spec whitepaper.. thing
16:54 < fenn> is someone supposedly going to implement this based on a spec i write? otherwise i dont really see the point
16:55 < kanzure> yes
16:55 < fenn> you're talking about mail titled "Packagine proposal" right?
16:55 < kanzure> actually i'm re-reading timschmidt's email
16:55 < kanzure> he didn't explicitly ask for the spec there
16:55 < kanzure> yes
16:56 < kanzure> but instead for the apt-get + dependency-resolver + what-do-you-presently-have + grab-from-online-mirror system
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16:57 < fenn> parse error, "instead for"?
16:57 < kanzure> "he didn't explicitly ask for.. but instead for"
16:57 < kanzure> i do think a 1 or 2 page v0.01 spec would be worthwhile
16:57 < kanzure> skdb.git is mostly useless in terms of installable or usable things
16:58 < kanzure> has some nice gems for file format conversion and other weird things though
16:58 < fenn> has some nice package format specs <_<
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16:59 < kanzure> not really
17:00 < kanzure> fenn: autogenix.something.txt is in there but that's old
17:00 < fenn> omg why do people listen to recorded live electronic music
17:00 < kanzure> metadata.yaml isn't written down anywhere really
17:00 < kanzure> and i'm not sure that the basic concept of screw.py was legit for our purposes
17:00 < kanzure> at the very least:
17:00 < kanzure> * some sort of standard for metadata
17:01 < kanzure> * useful things to include in the metadata
17:01 < kanzure> * suggestions for CAD standards (i.e. not storing raw STL or PDF files when it's avoidable)
17:01 < kanzure> * licensing metadata information, licensing short strings ("gpl-2.0" instead of copy+paste large LICENSE file)
17:02 < kanzure> * explicitly saying it should be a git repository
17:02 < fenn> "some sort of standard for metadata" is a trap
17:03 < fenn> i mean i already attempted writing a spec and upon trying to implement it i had to change it a bunch and ended up with what we have now, so how do i know that won't happen again?
17:03 < kanzure> * types of dependencies (build, assemble, disassemble, run, software?)
17:04 < kanzure> re: metadata-standard as a trap.. in general i think a version number is a good idea
17:04 < kanzure> oh please none of us have done new packages in forever
17:04 < kanzure> so the hypothetical optimal spec hasn't changed either
17:04 < kanzure> anyway, if we did come into that situation, rapidly updating the spec and versioning it is ok in my book
17:04 < fenn> the hypothetical optimal spec i was referring to was the autogenix thing
17:05 < kanzure> it sounds like those things aren't major incompatibilities in the versioning
17:05 < kanzure> iirc some of the autogenix things are a little outdated already :P
17:05 < fenn> i think we're not making mutual sense
17:06 < kanzure> all i'm saying is that rapidly bumping versions of a spec/standard is fine
17:06 < kanzure> but yes i remember a few situations where i didn't know how to represent something in package/metadata.yaml
17:07 < kanzure> yaml won't explicitly puke on something new which is nice
17:07 < kanzure> but our tools still need to be written to a number of unit tests and situations that we can reasonably expect to find out in the field [er, things we find packaged using our presently-non-existing stnadard]
17:07 < kanzure> timschmidt: are you around?
17:08 < kanzure> fenn: i think doing this in latex under git would be ideal even if it is just ~2 pages
17:08 < fenn> it's fairly easy to write a bunch of almost plain text garbage in yaml format, but you don't know it's useless until you write something like screw.py that actually does something with the information
17:08 < timschmidt> kanzure: yep
17:08 < fenn> fuck latex
17:08 < kanzure> restructuredtext?
17:08 < kanzure> yeah so i don't knwo if 'screw.py' should be in the spec
17:09 < kanzure> matt campbell brought up this issue and i didn't really have an answer
17:09 < kanzure> having a class in the package that is written in python that other tools won't necessarily be able to use without using a python bridge/interpreter/calling it by command line
17:09 < fenn> ideally the metadata.yaml is language independent
17:09 < fenn> (except for yaml of course)
17:10 < fenn> you can write another parser in C for screw.yaml if you like
17:10 < kanzure> i'm talking about screw.py
17:10 < kanzure> where we have methods for calculating parameters etc.
17:10 < kanzure> anyway, that cna come later
17:10 < kanzure> *can
17:11 < fenn> yeah, well it's gotta be done in some programming language
17:11 < kanzure> *shrug* anyway i don't see that as being necessary in v0.01
17:11 < kanzure> i'm a little overloaded in terms of how much i can get done in a single day
17:12 < kanzure> taking this on would mean a lot to me.. i don't see it being particularly laborious except for the pain of knowing how incomplete it is
17:13 < kanzure> timschmidt: what do you think?
17:13 < fenn> so the idea here is i write some document that tells tim how to write his metadata, then when he gets it wrong i rewrite the spec?
17:14 < fenn> lather rinse repeat
17:15 < kanzure> sort of
17:15 < kanzure> the real idea is that you and i should have done this a long time ago
17:15 < kanzure> we didn't, and doing it is kinda important
17:15 < timschmidt> fenn: sounds right to me
17:16 < fenn> someone please write me a spec for how to write specs
17:16 < kanzure> well first you deploy the document writing infrastructure.. thing
17:16 < kanzure> i suggested latex+git but you don't seem to like that
17:17 < kanzure> whatever it is should be renderable into txt, html, and pdf because people who read specs apparently like pdf
17:17 < kanzure> restructuredtext is some hot stuff these days apparently
17:17 < kanzure> second, you make up an outline that you will probably end up ignoring
17:18 < fenn> 1. write spec
17:18 < kanzure> third, you write the purpose/objectives or chicken scratch those notes
17:18 < fenn> 2. ????
17:18 < fenn> 3. write spec
17:18 < kanzure> um
17:18 < kanzure> 1. use skdb.git or start a new git repository
17:19 < fenn> i'm not starting a new git repo
17:19 < kanzure> 2. setup some document renderer thingy (latex? restructuredtext? not raw html)
17:20 < kanzure> actually you might enjoy just copying PEP stuff
17:22 < fenn> yeah i was just looking at that
17:22 < kanzure> 3. draft a brief outline (introduction/scope/objectives, how metadata is to be used, how git is to be used, how CAD is to be used, concluding remarks, references, whatever)
17:23 < kanzure> 4. i help out with fleshing out words/sentences under that outline
17:23 < kanzure> 5. tim/others will review it and give it a thumbs up or down for particular concerns or something
17:23 < kanzure> does this sound reasonable
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17:25 < fenn> sure, i will probably work on it tomorrow morning
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17:26 < fenn> i am hoping openscad will play nicer than opencascade
17:26 < timschmidt> the OpenSCAD devs are pretty friendly folk
17:27 < kanzure> they haven't replied about lolcad yet tim :/
17:27 < timschmidt> :-/
17:27 < timschmidt> I will ping marius
17:29 < fenn> looks like he has a lot on his plate http://metalab.at/wiki/Benutzer:MariusKintel
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17:30 < kanzure> fenn: have you looked at elmom/MCAD yet?
17:30 < fenn> a little
17:30 < kanzure> thoughts
17:31 < kanzure> https://github.com/elmom/MCAD
17:34 < kanzure> oh fenn another thing to put in the old noggen is qr codes for packaged objects
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17:39 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
17:41 < kanzure> hi JayDugger
17:43 < Lukas__> Hullo JayDugger
17:51 < kanzure> heh http://code.google.com/p/latex-lab/
17:54 < fenn> too bad we don't have real URI's
17:54 < fenn> only URL's
17:55 < kanzure> huh?
18:00 < fenn> well say the qr code encodes a url pointing at some git repo that's hosted on my machine, and then my machine goes down. now that qr code is useless
18:02 < kanzure> use domain names not ip addresses
18:02 < fenn> still, can't expect everybody making objects to have a reliable server
18:02 < kanzure> dunno how DOI has convinced everyone they will be around forever
18:02 < kanzure> fenn: gitduino.com is supposedly for hosting hardware git repos
18:03 < kanzure> but so far it's unreliable
18:03 < kanzure> busy not existing.
18:03 < QuantumG> I doubt that email will get much response on arocket kanzure
18:03 < kanzure> QuantumG: a man can dream :(
18:03 < QuantumG> it's a little too "I demand you tell me what I can't be bothered researching!!"
18:03 < kanzure> i should link keith to the SSI videos on moon rock manufacturing
18:03 < kanzure> yeah that's true
18:03 < fenn> why is there a flamingo?
18:04 < kanzure> fenn: gitduino.. flamingo
18:04 < kanzure> don't kill me :eek:
18:04 < QuantumG> or link him to tdrs and say "search"
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18:04 < fenn> uh, they both end in "o"?
18:04 < kanzure> they sort of rhyme
18:04 < fenn> they both have 8 letters
18:04 < QuantumG> s/tdrs/ntrs/
18:04 < kanzure> duino.. ingo..
18:04 < QuantumG> damn acronyms
18:05 < kanzure> ino ingo
18:05 < kanzure> anyway.
18:05 < kanzure> maybe it's a bad idea
18:05 < QuantumG> http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=0&Ntk=all&Ntx=mode%20matchall&Ntt=lunar%20regolith
18:05 < kanzure> sebastien is prepared to port the entire reprap community over to gitduino
18:05 < kanzure> sigh if only i could work faster
18:05 < QuantumG> Extracting Oxygen from Lunar Simulant Using a Transparent Furnace Pulsed Fluidized Bed  <- there's like 100s of them
18:08 < QuantumG> http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20100030350_2010032681.pdf  <- is a good answer to his question
18:08 < QuantumG> I'll reply on arocket for shits and giggles
18:08 < kanzure> crowdsourced funding for moon mission http://www.ironicsans.com/2011/01/idea_crowdfund_a_mission_to_pu.html
18:09 < kanzure> or on slashdot: http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/06/1626259
18:09 < QuantumG> yeah, it's amazing how that guy (who is clearly a moron) has managed to get some attention.
18:10 < gloop_> i like the flamingo
18:11 < kanzure> i'm not a big fan of crowdsourcing your funding
18:11 < kanzure> every year the cancer conglomerates are able to raise a crapload via crowdsourcing
18:11 < kanzure> but they spend a lot in building their marketing channels too.
18:11 < kanzure> it's a little like bottom scraping, i think
18:12 < kanzure> and doesn't seem a particularly good strategy.. i mean your funding source could dry up at any moment really
18:14 < QuantumG> there ya go, suitably snippy
18:18 < kanzure> heeh
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18:23 < JayDugger> QuantumG, arocket=?
18:23 < QuantumG> mailing list
18:23 < JayDugger> Thank you.
18:29  * fenn fights with openscad and include paths
18:54 < kanzure> how's that going
18:54 < kanzure> fenn?
19:01 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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19:07 < Lukas__> Good night
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19:26 < ybit> why git and not mercurial?
19:27 < ybit> just seems like hg or even bzr would be easier to work with
19:27 < ybit> re:gitduino
19:29 < kanzure> what i really need is something that uses rsync's binary diff algorithm
19:29 < kanzure> when committing binaries.
19:30 < kanzure> good news everyone! http://octopart.com/blog/archives/2011/1/digi%252Dkey-products-now-listed-on-octopart
19:30 < kanzure> and discussed here http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2075664
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19:31 < kanzure> "I'd love to see Octopart add precise component outlines to its database, with an API so that a component can be added to a board layout or schematic directly from the Octopart meta-catalog. This would make Octopart even more awesome."
19:31 < kanzure> "Our backend is already equipped to handle this and now we're starting to focus on getting manufacturer data feeds. If you have a chance, please send me an email to let me know which manufacturers you think we should prioritize (andres@octopart.com)."
19:31 < kanzure> andres has been pro-skdb in the past.
19:34 < ybit> best 404 ever: https://github.com/bla/blal
19:35 < kanzure> you mean http://github.com/404
19:35 < kanzure> there's also https://github.com/503
19:49 < ybit> that works too
19:54 < Lukas__> XD
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20:23 < Juul> hey
20:25 < Lukas__> hullo
20:26 < Juul> evening on the u.s. west coast kinda sucks. the rest of the western world is sleeping
20:30 < Lukas__> yup
20:31 < Lukas__> it is 11:30pm where I am
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20:52 < kanzure> sorry about that, nsh_
20:52  * nsh_ chooses to blame freenode
20:52 < nsh_> this ## nonsense has never sat well with me
20:53 < kanzure> sorry you have to talk about that in ###hplusroadmap
20:57  * nsh_ smiles
21:48 < AlonzoTG> agreed, ## is gay.
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22:24 < mayko> uh yeah what is up with ## and me getting a redir to ##namespace
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22:28 < kanzure> mayko: the new channel name is ##hplusroadmap
22:29 < mayko> oh good
22:31 < timschmidt> nearly finished installing Debian on my Seagate Dockstar...
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22:52  * nsh_ frowns
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22:57 < nsh_> reading about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoacoustics
22:58 < nsh_> made me wonder: what might we be doing, today, that future technology might render invaluable?
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23:19 < timschmidt> nsh_: browser histories / flash cookies / tracking data of the yet-to-be-famous
23:19 < nsh_> ah, true in itself. but we can already read these
23:20 < nsh_> what are we doing, or might we do, to create artefacts whose value is so far hidden to us
23:21 < nsh_> an ancient potter could not have imagined his vase might capture sound
23:21 < kanzure> kinetic sculptures are kind of obvious
23:21 < timschmidt> nsh_: participating in an aggregate consciousness
23:22 < nsh_> hmm
23:25 < nsh_> remind me of a strange thought i had today
23:26 < nsh_> to do with the eliciting sentiment of a literal expression affecting its reception and appreciation by the other party
23:27 < nsh_> ie, the 'feeling' the accompanies the creation of a message, whose contents are strictly limited (e.g. textual), "charging" the communication with affect
23:28 < nsh_> which is then reflected in the mind of the receiving party
23:28  * kanzure sleeps
23:28 < nsh_> good idea
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