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04:06 < joshcryer> QuantumG, lol, http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/ecologist-magazine-using-machines-is-morally-comparable-with-slavery/
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04:07 < Utopiah> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Energy_slave
04:07 < Utopiah> woops https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Energy_Slave
04:10 < JayDugger> Wow...where to start with such malignant foolishness.
04:11 < joshcryer> Start with QuantumG!!!!11one
04:11 < joshcryer> Just teasing.
04:12 < joshcryer> He's not a luddite like these idiots.
04:12 < JayDugger> No, I think I'll take comfort in the fact those fools only speak, as opposed to the ancient Assyrians.
04:12 < JayDugger> Anyhow, back to work.
04:13 < joshcryer> Good position to take, I used to debate primitivists for days on end, eventually I realized they were ineffectual fools, and the green scare group got jailed, so the fringe groups were put out of the equation (heaven forbid they get access to transhuman tech though, it'll be an interesting little war).
04:15 < JayDugger> I'll worry about "access to transhuman tech" once some exists. Warfare got quite deadly enough with the invention of metal weapons.
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05:24 < kanzure> how did this happen already? http://identi.ca/notice/61814329
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07:15 < Lukas__> Top of the morning
07:19 < kanzure> top of the muffin
07:34 < Lukas__> :D
07:35 < Lukas__> What's up?
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08:31 < kanzure> when you search for 'aubrey de grey' on google images,
08:31 < kanzure> it says 'rasputin' is a related search
08:32 < kanzure> http://wac.0873.edgecastcdn.net/800873/blog/wp-content/uploads/Rasputin-closeup-292x300.gif
08:32 < kanzure> http://www.supercentenarian.com/archive/aubrey-de-grey.jpg
08:32 < Lukas__> XD
08:32 < kanzure> ah here we go: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/father-gregory-rasputin-totally-looks-like-aubrey-de-grey_3502.jpg
08:33 < Lukas__> Well, Rasputin was hard to kill
08:33 < Lukas__> so I suppose I can see the relation there
08:33 < kanzure> i'm not sure i buy it, though: http://www.markbehm.com/blogger/uploaded_images/rasputin-716378.jpg
08:36 < Lukas__> XD
08:37 < Lukas__> Perhaps a taller version?
08:46 < kanzure> alessandro delfanti recently put up a page re: diybio http://people.sissa.it/~delfanti/diybio.html
08:46 < kanzure> "Genome Hackers. Rebel Biology, Open Source and Science Ethic" http://people.sissa.it/~delfanti/hacking.html
08:47 < Lukas__> Thanks
08:48 < Lukas__> When researchers sequence the DNA of organisms, do they publish the content on the internet?
08:50 < kanzure> sometimes. you can find published genomes on the ncbi site
08:50 < kanzure> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=genomeprj
08:51 < kanzure> here: ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genomes/
08:51 < Lukas__> Excellent
08:51 < Lukas__> thank you
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08:58 < Lukas__> :D
08:59 < Lukas__>  Cladosporium sphaerospermum is apparently a common mold
08:59 < Lukas__> as well as  Wangiella dermatitidis
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09:42 < kanzure> hi thesnark|afk
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09:46 < Utopiah> Arduino The Documentary (2010)  http://vimeo.com/18539129
09:46 < kanzure> Utopiah: have you seen the documentary on george church's personal genome project?
09:47 < kanzure> i think it's called 'the personal genome'
09:47 < Utopiah> nop, URL?
09:47 < kanzure> http://thepersonalgenome.com/ probably
09:51 < Utopiah> I've seens some of the "webisodes" but not the entire docu
09:52 < kanzure> dunno if the whole thing is out yet or not
09:54 < Utopiah> (reminds me that Im still looking for http://www.dreamland.is :(
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11:42 < Lukas__> Kanzure, did you ever complete your work with the myostatin mice?
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12:17 < kanzure> Lukas__: i never did work on mice
12:18 < Lukas__> :/
12:19 < Lukas__> I'm mistaken then
12:21 < kanzure> but here's some papers: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/myostatin/
12:23 < Lukas__> Thanks
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12:52 < RadiVis> FYI: Yesterday evening I made a new blog about my science fiction story ideas: http://radivis.com/
12:58 < kanzure> "Man muss noch Chaos in sich haben, um einen tanzenden Stern gebären zu können." ?
13:01 < RadiVis> hmm?
13:01 < Lukas__> :D
13:02 < Lukas__> Didn't know you speak German
13:03 < RadiVis> Yeah, I'm from Germany. Huh, perhaps I should mention that somewhere
13:07 < Lukas__> I figured that, I didn't know Kanzure could
13:10 < kanzure> not really
13:10 < kanzure> "Embedding disabled by request" grr
13:11 < kanzure> it's aubrey's tech talk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEyguiO4UW0
13:11 < kanzure> google techtalk i mean
13:16 < Lukas__> So, I've decided that I want to try to make mice radiotrophic
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13:27 < kanzure> thesnark: http://diyhpl.us:9000/random :)
13:30 < thesnark> =)
13:33 < Lukas__> O.o
13:33 < Lukas__> artificial organelle?
13:33 < Lukas__> woah
13:34  * thesnark heard about that
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14:06 < niftyzero1> kanzure - http://www.personalgenomes.org/
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14:17 < Utopiah> niftyzero1: is the whole documentary online somewhere?
14:22 < Lukas__> I really don't understand why Patri gets so much flak
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15:09 < kanzure> Lukas__: patri gets flak?
15:09 < Lukas__> LOTS
15:10 < kanzure> for what?
15:13 < Lukas__> You know, the standard - arrogance (mainly), mild insanity
15:13 < kanzure> uh?
15:13 < kanzure> i've really never heard anyone criticize him
15:13 < Lukas__> O.O?
15:13 < Lukas__> That is interesting
15:14 < Lukas__> I haven't heard much good about him (except from this group)
15:24 < superkuh> I talked to the guy who is suing Julian Assange for 30 minutes today. He was angry about me leaving a message on his voicemail asking him to stop the case.
15:26 < kanzure> was your voicemail message full of death threats?
15:27 < kanzure> Lukas__: you're talking about patri friedman right?
15:28 < Lukas__> Yes, Seasteading Institute - Italian decent, young
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15:33 < superkuh> My voicemail was very benign.
15:33 < superkuh> http://superkuh.com/mytelephoneconversationwithdavidpitchford.html
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15:51 < Lukas__> I never heard of that guy
15:52 < Lukas__> sounds like a supreme asshate
15:52 < Lukas__> asshat*
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16:00 < kanzure> http://www.synthesis.cc/2011/01/garage-innovation-in-the-scientist.html
16:00 < kanzure> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/01/05/biohackers-and-grinders/
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17:06 < niftyzero1> Utopiah - no idea
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17:22 < AlonzoTG> om
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18:21 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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19:16 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
19:21 < kanzure> good night JayDugger
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19:54 < jrayhawk> I'm going to break a bunch of stuff on gnusha, don't mind me...
19:54 < kanzure> upgrading piny?
19:54 < jrayhawk> Yeah.
19:54 < kanzure> ok
19:54 < kanzure> thanks
20:01 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ find /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ -type f -and -not -type l | wc -l
20:01 < jrayhawk> 9
20:01 < jrayhawk> you are a bad person!
20:02 < kanzure> hm what's -l?
20:02 < jrayhawk> symbolic link
20:02 < kanzure> oh
20:02 < kanzure> yes i am a bad person
20:02 < kanzure> hrm i should probably fix that
20:03 < jrayhawk> a2ensite and a2dissite are your friends >:(
20:03 < jrayhawk> if you know what's good for you
20:03 < kanzure> eep
20:03 < jrayhawk> err -l on wc -l is 'line'
20:04 < jrayhawk> sorry i wasn't paying enough attention to your question
20:04 < kanzure> no i know wc -l :)
20:04 < jrayhawk> okay good
20:04 < kanzure> oops i should have asked -type l
20:04 < kanzure> hm
20:04 < kanzure> well that's one big clusterfuck
20:08 < jrayhawk> Are there any big path changes I should be worrying about, or is sticking everything on diyhpl.us still desirable
20:09 < kanzure> huh?
20:10 < kanzure> there are some symbolic links in /srv/www/diyhpl.us/
20:11 < kanzure> what are you talking about specifically?
20:12 < jrayhawk> You've been making noises like you want to make your bastard django/piny thing happen under the name gitduino, which would involve some path changes that I could get over with now rather than later.
20:12 < jrayhawk> Though with the new piny version that sort of change is much easier.
20:12 < kanzure> oh that's right, piny probably can't handle multiple installations on the same server
20:12 < kanzure> uh
20:13 < kanzure> no thank you, diyhpl.us is fine for now
20:13 < jrayhawk> Okay.
20:16 < jrayhawk> Multiple primary domains for piny is fairly doable so long as you understand that user and project namespaces are overlapping such that you can't create the same name in different domains, but we don't really have an interface for making that choice nor any particular drive to think of one, so you'd have to yell at us to make it happen.
20:16 < jrayhawk> Since new userspaces are already trivial to set up and manage.
20:16 < kanzure> it seems like the only issue is mainly apache links and redirects
20:17 < jrayhawk> Nah, the apache config is reasonably duplicable without any nasty side-effects.
20:18 < kanzure> huh. well, not having the same name on different domains isn't an issue to me at this point
20:18 < kanzure> so, cool.
20:33 < kanzure> jrayhawk: while you're at it, comments on http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/package_spec.yaml would be cool
20:33 < kanzure> oh fooey
20:33 < kanzure> "no repositories found"
20:33 < kanzure> what have you dooooone
20:34 < jrayhawk> Changing over to the new cgit setup, which is much simpler to maintain
20:37 < kanzure> no content is easier, yes
20:38 < jrayhawk> haha
20:42 < jrayhawk> Huh, the descriptions are all missing
20:43 < jrayhawk> ugh, and cgit has decided to not be extension agnostic anymore.
20:43 < kanzure> btw we can probably get rid of the reprap repositores (except reprap.git) including the one called 'users.git' and 'electronics.git' since jmil doesn't seem to care any more
20:43 < kanzure> actually i should rmrepo those.
20:44 < jrayhawk> Oh, that would've been nice to know before Ikiwiki started rendering them
20:44 < jrayhawk> aaand it just finished, so you can go ahead.
20:44 < kanzure> huh
20:45 < jrayhawk> and now to work out how the hell we provisioned for the git hook rename
20:46 < jrayhawk> surely i was smart enough to document that somewhere
20:47 < kanzure> skdb.git/hooks/post-update is a binary again
20:48 < jrayhawk> Yeah, I just moved that over.
20:48 < jrayhawk> Did you link that somewhere
20:48 < jrayhawk> Although I think the thing you were trying to do is being done in post-receive, now, so I don't know that it matters anymore
20:48 < kanzure> no as i recall you edited the post-update hook yourself
20:49 < kanzure> without a symbolic link
20:49 < jrayhawk> The wizardry for that happens in /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup.pl, by the way
20:49 < jrayhawk> Oh, I was thinking hard link.
20:50 < kanzure> my point is that that file is no longer there or elsewhere on the filesystem
20:50 < jrayhawk> Was it even doing anything?
20:50 < kanzure> huh? you configured it to open up the socket and tweet into irc
20:50 < jrayhawk> No, that's done in post-receive.
20:51 < kanzure> i see it there now. hrm.
20:51 < jrayhawk> Post-update is not really a useful place for it.
20:52 < jrayhawk> ugh, I wonder how to fix this dumbshit URL problem in cgit.
20:52 < jrayhawk> ah, remove-suffix
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20:55 < jrayhawk> ugh, i should upgrade to a delaylog-supporting kernel
20:56 < jrayhawk> and with not-barriers
20:56 < jrayhawk> god i am so glad barriers are dead
20:58 < jrayhawk> You wanted Ikiwiki's srcdir on skdb.git to be changed to /doc/?
20:58 < kanzure> hmm
20:58 < kanzure> yes
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21:05 < kanzure> fundables.org is available
21:14 < jrayhawk> Okay, that /doc/ thing is also happening in /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup.pl because we suck a little more than I thought we did.
21:14 < jrayhawk> If you change /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup.pl you'll need to run rebuildrepo to rebuild everything.
21:17 < jrayhawk> sudo rebuild skdb
21:17 < jrayhawk> err sudo rebuildrepo skdb
21:17 < kanzure> can you complain about and/or comment on http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/package_spec.yaml
21:18 < jrayhawk> 'BOM' also refers to 'byte order mark' used at the beginning of endian-specific file formats, if you care about acronym collisions
21:18 < kanzure> i think BOMs have existed long before endian conventions
21:21 < jrayhawk> Multiple licenses should be allowed.
21:21 < kanzure> fenn: ping
21:26 < jrayhawk> /^[a-z0-9][a-z0-9_.-]+$/ should probably be your name restriction, same as debian.
21:26 < jrayhawk>  /^[a-z0-9][a-z0-9_.-]+$/ should probably be your name restriction, same as debian.
21:26 < jrayhawk> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Source
21:28 < kanzure> fenn is against periods in package names
21:28 < kanzure> and for some reason wants uppercase?
21:28 < jrayhawk> The case sensitivity issue should be handled, then.
21:28 < kanzure> ~~~~JaCoB_sHiAcH's___-__EZ(_)EEG__xoxoxoxo
21:28 < kanzure> .skdb
21:29 < kanzure> (i'm against uppercase :P)
21:32 < jrayhawk> err /^[a-z0-9][a-z0-9_.-+]+$/
21:32 < jrayhawk> i can read, i swear
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21:33 < jrayhawk> I'm a pretty awful architect; you might hang out in #debian-devel on OFTC and try to find out why things like the Provides: and Replaces: dpkg control fields came into being.
21:33 < jrayhawk> and what other advice they might have
21:34 < kanzure> history on the beginnings of dpkg is really hard to find
21:34 < kanzure> and/or non-existant
21:34 < jrayhawk> Yeah, you'd need to talk to the people themselves. Debian is/was very organic.
21:34 < kanzure> something about irc.. and privacy and not logging?
21:41 < jrayhawk> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/ you might want to edit some of the description files
21:41 < kanzure> haha or i can be a pain in the ass and ask you to manually do it from server backups
21:42  * kanzure will probably do it himself
21:42 < jrayhawk> oh were they there beforehand? that's not good
21:43 < kanzure> yes
21:43 < jrayhawk> huh, rebuildrepo isn't killing them; I wonder what did that
21:44 < jrayhawk> -rw-rw-r-- 1 bryan    git-diyhpluswiki 73 Jul 19 09:04 /srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git/description
21:44 < kanzure> diyhpluswiki definitely had a description
21:45 < jrayhawk> So this must just be the 'description never gets set because Jules and Joe is bad at regression testing' bug
21:46 < jrayhawk> Ah, I see, I was working with cgit directly. I can fix this.
21:48 < jrayhawk> Okay, that's better.
21:49 < kanzure> yay they are back
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21:51 < jrayhawk> If you make an h+ logo I can replace the cgit logo with it.
22:08 < kanzure> i'll mess with that later
22:08 < kanzure> thank you :) and good night.
22:09 < joshcryer> Hi kanzure, 'night.
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22:15 < joshcryer> a capital h is a plus sign disected down the middle and positions changed
22:15 < joshcryer> :O
22:32 < jrayhawk> Well, Bryan's not here to object, so, sure, why not.
22:33 < joshcryer> I started to animate it but I failed.
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22:48 < QuantumG> joshcry-me-a-river
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23:08 < Lukas___> I can't sleep
23:08 < Lukas___> :(
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23:36 < joshcryer> QuantumG, like this: http://imgur.com/KmOXm.png
23:36 < joshcryer> (I suck at gimp but Blender is easy :P)
23:39 < QuantumG> I'm listening to Open Lines of The Space Show yesterday/today.  It's hilarious
23:40 < QuantumG> nothing like having someone call in who thinks the center of the Earth is a black hole and that the Earth makes all its atoms, "including water" (sic)
23:40 < joshcryer> http://i.imgur.com/H0GAj.png (shows the transform better)
23:40 < joshcryer> Nice.
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