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01:37 < joshcryer> new jeri upload, a-z of electronics, batteries: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOxMUZUJUS4
01:44 < joshcryer> I have convinced google that .torrent should be in the top three suggestions of any video program.
01:45 < joshcryer> It is smart enough to not suggest .torrent if I tell it about, for example, some trivial thing I'm wondering about at any given time.
01:46 < joshcryer> (I was looking up hosting providers earlier and it didn't do that, and I was looking for blender 3.5 tutorials, and it didn't do it, etc)
01:47 < joshcryer> BTW, anyone have a dedicated host they wouldn't mind sharing? I'd help pay for it.
01:47 < jrayhawk> What's the usecase?
01:49 < joshcryer> a forum mainly
01:49 < jrayhawk> joshcryer: beep beep
01:49 < jrayhawk> oops
01:50 < joshcryer> The Mars Society website got completely got pwned.
01:50 < joshcryer> Has been down for several days, hardware fault, probable data loss.
01:50 < joshcryer> Thinking about hosting a site they host for me, myself.
01:50 < joshcryer> (newmars.com)
01:50 < joshcryer> we get 10k views a day and I'm iffy about some of these shared hosting plans I'm seeing
01:51 < jrayhawk> Hmm. I might be able to handle that in a few days when I get new hardware up, but I'm generally deeply opposed to PHP/MySQL garbage
01:52 < jrayhawk> Not really sure what specific forum package or CMS you were looking at for this stuff
01:52 < joshcryer> Ahh, newmars.com is the forum for the Mars Society.
01:53 < joshcryer> It is (used to be?) the most popular Mars focused forum on the net.
01:53 < joshcryer> But that's cool, I will figure something out. :)
01:54  * joshcryer turns into a filthy reseller
01:55 < jrayhawk> Ah, phpBB. Yeah, I don't feel like sticking that on any of my servers.
01:57 < joshcryer> Heh, at least it's not Perl (the original forums were Perl).
01:57 < jrayhawk> Perl has at least halfway decent support for threads.
02:00 < jrayhawk> Which is to say you can safely switch to a worker model and rely on it not breaking on upgrades.
02:00 < jrayhawk> Whereas the core PHP developers have decided to turn PHP's lack of features into a delightful protection racket with Zend
02:01 < jrayhawk> Unless you decide to use APC, in which case you have to deal with it constantly breaking because nobody's willing to merge it into core development
02:02 < jrayhawk> Even still it doesn't properly coexist with true threads
02:02 < joshcryer> Herm, never had problems with phpBB and it was considered, by me, to be the most "supported" forum software, which is why I started using it to begin with.
02:02 < joshcryer> But that may no longer be true.
02:02 < jrayhawk> It runs into scalability problems, just like every PHP and/or MySQL app.
02:03 < jrayhawk> And has a highly mediocre security history, just like every PHP and/or MySQL app.
02:09 < jrayhawk> FWIW Gandi has incredibly cheap bandwidth and memory so long as you don't need much in the way of I/O speed.
02:15 < jrayhawk> Actually I guess the memory isn't that good, but the bandwidth is.
02:24 < joshcryer> Yeah I was looking at their setup.
02:24 < joshcryer> Nice that they split things up the way they do.
02:25 < joshcryer> However, phpBB3 has been known to eat loads and loads of memory, so, meh.
02:52 < QuantumG> laptop just got drive-by download-ed
02:52 < QuantumG> I think it was from space.com
03:12 < kanzure> http://www.imminst.org/forum/donate/goal-7-cell-therapy-research/
03:12 < kanzure> fundraising goal: $8000
03:12 < kanzure> amount received: $2401.18
03:12 < kanzure> summary: Microglia stem cell research - every $ that you donate for this grass roots science project will be matched by ImmInst.
03:19 < joshcryer> I like that imminst lets you have access to their stuff for free.
03:19 < joshcryer> I get their newsletter and they're not too beggy.
03:22 < joshcryer> They're also known to freeze their forum goers.
03:22 < joshcryer> (ok, ones that are really prolific and champion the cause)
03:24 < joshcryer> Look at these slaves QuantumG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHuDvVa7mkw
03:25 < joshcryer> OK, I'll let it go, it's only funny to me. :P
04:10 < archels> ugh, my AAAI membership is such a waste of money.
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05:48 < delinquentme> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/preorder-bus-pirate-probe-kit-p-526.html does anyone know a general term for this type of cable?
05:50 < archels> flatcable
06:14 < delinquentme> thats hella generic arch
06:14 < delinquentme> i can tell you its a IDC
06:14 < archels> The connector is an IDC.
06:16 < delinquentme> ohhhhh
06:17 < delinquentme> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9556
06:17 < delinquentme> found wwhat i was looking for
06:17 < delinquentme> color coordinate cable ends :D
06:20  * kanzure is slowly uploading his paper collection
06:20 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/
06:21 < kanzure> i'm about 9% done
06:21 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i won't be keeping them on gnusha, just until it's done transferring
06:21 < Utopiah> any indexing?
06:21 < Utopiah> (just our of curiosity)
06:22 < Utopiah> out of
06:22 < delinquentme> du guys have electronics toolkits?
06:22 < delinquentme> and how du store them
06:23 < archels> cigar boxes
06:24 < delinquentme> do you gusy worry about insulating them? or i guess it would be grounding them w something like those anti static bags?
06:24 < delinquentme> or should i not have to worry about day to day buildup of static
06:25 < archels> day-to-day buildup? heh
06:26 < archels> Electrostatic discharge (ESD) occurs when you handle devices without proper precautions.
06:27 < delinquentme> haha
06:27 < delinquentme> archels, i wash
06:27 < delinquentme> sometimes
06:28 < delinquentme> haha ok i guess thats not really an issue?
06:28 < delinquentme> but just make sure i ground myself before touching electronics?
06:28 < Utopiah> anybody keeping up to date a bibliography on the technological singularity?
06:28 < archels> Yes, touch a ground first, only handle bare circuit boards by their sides, or buy a $2 wrist strap.
06:33 < kanzure> Utopiah: `tree` doesn't seem to produce what i want it to produce.. ahints?
06:34 < delinquentme> kanzure, git??
06:34 < Utopiah> find > index.txt ?
06:34 < kanzure> oh it seems i replaced my 'tre' package with (1) my own 'tree' and (2) something from brlcad
06:34 < kanzure> *tree
06:36 < kanzure> okay the tree is uploading.. will take a while (it's 3.8 MB)
06:46 < kanzure> ah.. most of it was stupid stuff. fixed :)
06:46 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/index.txt
06:51  * archels can't wait for /women/notes.txt
06:51 < archels> Mechanics of the normal woman's breast.pdf also sounds interesting
06:58 < kanzure> yeah.. i had this crazy idea of direct control over restless genital syndrome via manipulation of a particular nerve
07:02 < archels> restless genital syndrome, what.
07:02 < Utopiah> sounds like a technical term for masturnation
07:03 < kanzure> in reality it's much more awful than that
07:05 < kanzure> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081216115010.htm
07:06 < kanzure> http://www.dailycognition.com/index.php/index.php/2007/11/14/woman-has-200-orgasms-per-day.html
07:08 < delinquentme> archels, i have that.
07:09 < delinquentme> nah like you wake up and it just tugs you out of the door
07:09 < delinquentme> sometimes i think i have an alien or a std
07:09 < delinquentme> *shrug*
07:10 < archels> bizarre
07:10 < archels> kanzure: Can't they just get a something-or-other-ectomy?
07:11 < kanzure> the pudendal nerves go back through the pudendal bone (or something)
07:11 < kanzure> so if the cause is the nerve itself, that would requier way more than something-or-other-ectomy
07:11 < kanzure> *require
07:11 < delinquentme> hmmm
07:12 < delinquentme> weird
07:12 < delinquentme> have you guys ever hacked a robosapien?
07:12 < delinquentme> :D
07:12 < delinquentme> im looking for average household items i can plug this bus pirate into
07:13 < archels> Try a wall socket.
07:14 < delinquentme> lol
07:15 < delinquentme> archels, wouldnt you miss me??*tears well up*
07:15 < delinquentme> nm! dont answer that
07:15 < delinquentme> *weeeps*
07:16 < archels> kanzure: I was just studying the role of purine signalling for micturition, wonder if it's related to RGS.
07:20 < kanzure> out of all of those papers, we end up talking about an orgasm button?
07:24 < archels> Asserting control over a peripheral nerve isn't that uninteresting, is it?
07:24 < archels> The fact that it's related to such a popular subject may help with funding. >:)
07:37 < delinquentme> is it daft to try and repair an ipod w the bus pirate / open bench logic sniffer?
07:37 < delinquentme> .. maybe a better question for robotics
07:40 < archels> What's the bandwidth of that sniffer anyway?
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07:43 < Lukas__> Morning
07:44 < kanzure> hello Lukas__
07:44 < Lukas__> What's up?
07:44 < kanzure> today i am uploading my paper archive
07:44 < Lukas__> sweet
07:44 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/
07:44 < kanzure> you can see an index here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/index.txt
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07:45 < kanzure> hi gloop
07:45 < Lukas__> When do you think it's going to be finished
07:45 < kanzure> i guess that's relevant for you too
07:45 < Lukas__> ?
07:45 < delinquentme> 1hz to 40mhz? archels
07:45 < gloop> hi kanzure
07:45 < kanzure> gloop: today i'm uploading papers.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/ or an index here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/index.txt
07:46 < kanzure> Lukas__: well, 1 GB is already uploaded and there's 12 or something to go, so sometime tomorrow
07:46 < Lukas__> Alright
07:47 < gloop> thanks.
07:48 < archels> delinquentme: Might be sufficient, but have fun trying to attach one of those clips to a BGA pin or 6 mil trace.
07:49 < Lukas__> thanks
07:52 < delinquentme> yeah its also requiring indepth knowledge of circuits
07:52 < delinquentme> isnt there a non apple service out there that kicks ass w thsi kinda stuff?
08:04 < gloop> i'm not sure if this is the place to ask, but if someone wanted to host wikipedia on two 3TB HDDs in Raid O, (a 31GB download in 7z which expands to 5TB), would there be a way to do incremental/differential backups to discussion rather than redownload the entire file?
08:05 < gloop> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Latest_complete_dump_of_english_wikipedia
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08:08 < delinquentme> gloop, if not here im sure the #linux kids would drool over thst
08:08 < gloop> heh, thanks delintuentme
08:09 < Utopiah> or in #wikipedia but AFAIK people who tried to mirror WP cried
08:09 < gloop> why so, utopiah?
08:10 < gloop> my idea is if there's enough cores (quad core/16core BD) it might be able to unzip the updates fast enough to run them. but it doesn't really solve bandwidth
08:11 < gloop> (yet)
08:11 < Utopiah> the problem wasn't the hardware requirments but rather the number of patches, fixes, tricks requiring, it's not like apt-get install WP
08:11 < gloop> ah ok
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08:14 < Utopiah> (was during a discussion at WP conf. as someone was scared of a US/EU war and the civilization collapsing but, WP had to be saved and the server farm was in the US)
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08:19 < Lukas__> what?
08:20 < gloop> well there are a lot more primary texts that are of value.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/books-obituaries/8246945/Gene-Smith.html
08:35 < JayDugger> Utopiah--seriously:
08:35 < JayDugger> a US/EU war?
08:37 < JayDugger> Okay, that seems silly.
08:39 < Utopiah> JayDugger: yes, I didn't argue with that point, just the technical problems of mirroring
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09:06 < kanzure> well.
09:06 < kanzure> marcus gets almost all of the details right
09:06 < kanzure> http://marcuswohlsen.com/2011/01/07/suffer-the-future-a-painful-stab-at-ushering-in-the-new/
09:06 < kanzure> 'cept for my non-existant diyh+ hackerspace in austin
09:07 < kanzure> (hint: it's under the volcano?)
09:16 < Lukas__> Non-existent?
09:16 < Lukas__> what happened to it?
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10:01 < kanzure> "Aubrey de Grey is now following you on Quora"
10:01 < kanzure> why is aubrey using quora?
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10:11 < Lukas__>  heh
10:11 < Lukas__> I liked the article
10:14 < Lukas__> Lepht should wait a few years to start implanting stuff IMO - if I don't know what something does, it's not going into me
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11:04 < Utopiah> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/punctuated-equilibrium/2011/jan/11/1?CMP=twt_gu
11:13 < Lukas__> Thanks Utopia
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12:39 < Lukas__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1KJAXM3xYA&feature=sub
12:39 < Lukas__> -__-
12:39 < kanzure> what is it?
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12:40 < Lukas__> TED talk
12:40 < Lukas__> on how 'we're cyborgs now'
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14:28 < kanzure> i'm too tired to figure out if this is spam or not http://www.bulletproofexecutive.com/alcohol-without-the-hangover-bulletproof-part
14:29 < archels> synthahol!
14:32 < fenn> will probably meet tim ferris tonight at qs
14:32 < fenn> in ~2 hours
14:36 < jrayhawk> I like Tim Ferriss.
14:40 < fenn> i dont get it (bulletproofexecutive) - he claims to have done all these amazing things by age 22, but then talks about how he went from super unhealthy and diabetic at age 30 to uberman at age 40?
14:40 < fenn> but we're supposed to believe the things he did at ~30 caused his success at ~22?
14:47 < kanzure> fenn clearly failed time mechanics 101
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15:06 < AlonzoTG> om
15:06 < AlonzoTG> Ben Z has completely lost his mind. =P
15:07 < delinquentme> dude! bodys are so crazy
15:07 < delinquentme> im tweaking out and craving all kinds of food ..
15:07 < kanzure> are you pregnant?
15:07 < delinquentme> ive been shedding fat and like eating crap tons less .. AND its freezing outside
15:08 < delinquentme> its just so wild that its like OMG OMG FEED ME!
15:08 < delinquentme> and other days i have no issues with just drinking nothing but tea and coffee all day
15:08 < delinquentme> kanzure, ...
15:08 < delinquentme> is there something you're trying to tell me?
15:08 < kanzure> i'm not sure, are you a female?
15:09 < delinquentme> hahaha!
15:09 < delinquentme> umm
15:09 < delinquentme> yes
15:17 < fenn> don't worry, your secret is safe with us
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15:20 < delinquentme> HOY!
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15:59 < Lukas__> I wish I could shed fat and eat anything I want  :(
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16:07 < kanzure> Sun Mar 13 01:06:40 2011 is 13e8 epoch time
16:07 < kanzure> Lukas__: lookup the paper on the synthetic glycoxtic shunt- it was a metabolic engineering trick in rats for weight loss
16:08 < kanzure> actually there's probably a number of things like that
16:08 < kanzure> for some reason that's just at the top of my mind.
16:09 < Lukas__> heh, I didn't expect that to be seriously answered
16:09 < Lukas__> thanks
16:09 < Lukas__> :D
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16:48 < kanzure> 'transcendent man' will be playing in LA on feb 16 and feb 17 http://transcendentman.com/
16:49 < AlonzoTG> Oh great, just what the world needs... A movie about a weenie.
16:50 < QuantumG> no-one is ever gunna torrent that
16:51 < AlonzoTG> The movie I want to see is called "2B" apparently that screened exactly twice and never again to be seen by the eyes of man.
16:51 < AlonzoTG> =(
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16:56 < AlonzoTG> To get a taste of transhumanism in 1978 Japan, watch a show called Galaxy Express 999, It's more of a fantasy than scifi but it revolves around a kid wanting to swap into a cyborg body. =P
16:56 < AlonzoTG> You can watch it on Crunchyroll.com
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17:06 < joshcryer> kanzure, re: papers, that's win dude.
17:07 < joshcryer> kanzure, who are you using as your host for diyhpl.us?
17:09 < jrayhawk> Some combination of me/Bart Massey/pdx.edu/NERO, depending on what implications you wish to extract.
17:09 < joshcryer> Oh hell no I don't want to become a Lepht Anonym Defence Force / white knight but I disagree with Marcus Wohlsen.
17:09 < joshcryer> I should just stfu.
17:10 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, wtf I smell conspiracy, why does everything come back to you? >;)
17:10 < jrayhawk> I am an unstoppable megalomaniac.
17:11 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
17:17 < AlonzoTG> wut?
17:18 < joshcryer> Rather than rant I'll just make one point people are missing about the core of Lepht's behavior: a plastic surgeon would almost certainly give her her implants. Subdermal implants are *not* highly regulated nor are they particularly controversial. She can't afford it and UK health care isn't giving it to her for free, so she went insane and decided to do it herself (probably some bit of
17:18 < joshcryer> genetic masochism helps). One might even be able to make a convincing argument that health services should provide this service.
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17:21 < joshcryer> Given that information and an assumption that I am inclined toward anarchism you should be able to assume what I'd say about Marcus Wohlsen's last paragraph.
17:22 < AlonzoTG> Yeah, I ain't paying for nobody's upload.
17:23 < Lukas__> I don't see an issue with Lepht doing the implants herself
17:23 < joshcryer> Hush, we're talking about a $50 procedure in order to save the life of a citizen.
17:23 < kanzure> joshcryer: i don't care that she's implanting stuff really
17:24 < joshcryer> ($50 is being really generous.)
17:24 < kanzure> joshcryer: there are people on the board of humanity+ who have done neodymium implants too
17:24 < kanzure> but they didn't turn it into some sick bodyshock thing
17:24 < joshcryer> kanzure, how much did they pay?
17:24 < kanzure> little to none
17:24 < AlonzoTG> If I did that, I'd never be able to pick up a floppy disk for the rest of my life! =P
17:25 < kanzure> by 'little' i mean definitely less than $500
17:25 < joshcryer> kanzure, heh
17:25 < AlonzoTG> u talking about uploading or the magnets?
17:25 < JayDugger> How often do you touch delicate magnetic media now a days?
17:25 < Lukas__> magnets
17:25 < AlonzoTG> I don't care,
17:25 < AlonzoTG> It sounds like a good idea to have little induction coils, that passively convert magnetic fields into voltages,
17:26 < AlonzoTG> but don't necessarily radiate any fields of their own...
17:26 < kanzure> joshcryer: the reason jrayhawk keeps coming up as a topic in here is because his brother is the center of the "oh shit we're all going to die because of artificial intelligence" universe
17:26 < Lukas__> that would be a much better idea
17:26 < joshcryer> AlonzoTG, I'm not terribly all about uploading and I'm mostly commenting on the backlog today.
17:26 < AlonzoTG> But that's a technological quantum leap over just a lodestone.
17:26 < kanzure> but "unstoppable megalomaniac" is surprisingly honest for joe.
17:27 < joshcryer> kanzure, I think we can test Lepht's intentions by giving her money and having her implant her southpaw a sane way. I fear the child is going to kill herself when she starts doing stupid digging in her leg.
17:27 < AlonzoTG> That story isn't even on my radar...
17:27 < AlonzoTG> I don't care.
17:27 < Lukas__> She needs to calm down and wait
17:27 < kanzure> wait?
17:27 < Lukas__> I think she is in school
17:27 < kanzure> so?
17:27 < AlonzoTG> Everyone needs to calm down and get focused...
17:27 < AlonzoTG> nobody should wait, they should get to WORK.
17:27 < Lukas__> she needs to learn more about what she is doing
17:28 < Lukas__> <AlonzoTG>  If there is anyone who thinks that we should cut the meta talk and get to work, it is me.  I commend Lepht's bravery, but she needs to know a bit more about the systems she is working with
17:29 < Lukas__> so that she doesn't have to re-open herself
17:29 < Lukas__> everything things go wrong
17:29 < Lukas__> every time*
17:29 < JayDugger> Life is the skill of budgeting your errors, eh?
17:29 < Lukas__> she admitted she knows very little about the tech she is messing with
17:29 < joshcryer> Perhaps we should design a subdermal southpaw and send it to her.
17:30 < Lukas__> .....
17:30 < Lukas__> If she'll listen, why not?
17:30 < AlonzoTG> Alex Ramonsky was implanting experimental neural devices in himself about 7 years ago... I hope he's alright, he mentioned some problems with his implant and then went silent. =(
17:30 < Lukas__> XD
17:31 < AlonzoTG> He had this wearable rig that included an EEG reader so he could think-type, this was 7 years ago.
17:31 < Lukas__> It really doesn't matter what Anonym does anyway, as I'm going to one-up whatever she does
17:31 < kanzure> eeg is bullshit
17:31 < joshcryer> AlonzoTG, I remember reading about him.
17:32 < joshcryer> eeg works, kanzure. But only after rewiring your brain.
17:34 < Lukas__> http://www.ted.com/profiles/bio/id/111880
17:34 < Lukas__> looks like he is still alive
17:35 < Lukas__> "More recently, I've co-founded the neurohackers group with a British neuroscientist named Alex Ramonsky, and some other dudes - mixing artists, scientists, writers, explorers, etc., our primary goal being using and developing Intelligence Augmentation methods, techniques and behaviors in the objective of optimal mental and physical health. Our brand new site (neurohackers.com) is officialy open! June 2010 [Sola 83])"
17:35 < kanzure> joshcryer: you show me someone who can type more than 15 wpm with eeg and i'll reconsider
17:35 < JayDugger> kanzure, did you get an 80-20 distributorship?
17:35 < kanzure> no the other guys were flakes
17:35 < joshcryer> Lukas__, nice find.
17:35 < joshcryer> Lukas__, appears he was alive as of Dec 25th 2010. ;)
17:36 < JayDugger> Too bad.
17:36 < JayDugger> What name did that reverse-engineered 80-20 kickstarter project have?
17:36 < joshcryer> Please god kill the font that they're using on neurohackers.com though.
17:36 < joshcryer> Ugh.
17:37 < Lukas__> xD
17:38 < kanzure> JayDugger: makerbeam. it wasn't 80/20 though.
17:38 < kanzure> JayDugger: there's also 'contraptor'
17:38 < JayDugger> Ah...got it. Can you tell I'm out of vitamins?
17:38 < joshcryer> kanzure, 15 wpm sounds about right, since that's about the rate you'd need to minimally type to update the next batch of data for your RepRap...
17:38 < joshcryer> >:P
17:38 < JayDugger> Memory has gone to mush.
17:39 < JayDugger> There exists on diybookscanner.org
17:39 < JayDugger> at least one design that uses 80-20 stock.
17:40 < JayDugger> My ever-receding book scanner project needs a design, and I'd rather not wood-work if possible.
17:41 < JayDugger> At this rate, the incremental positive progress of skdb so far outstrips my negative progress.
17:43 < joshcryer> Does diybookscaner do page turning yet?
17:43 < Lukas__> Didn't know negative progress existed
17:50 < JayDugger> Pro-gress, Con-gress, or so the joke goes.
17:50 < joshcryer> Haha
17:50 < joshcryer> It's true.
17:50 < joshcryer> I'm glad congress can't get it's crap together regarding energy.
17:50 < joshcryer> Lets the h+ people save the day when the time comes.
17:51 < Lukas__> With fame comes enemies (enemies I'd rather not have)
17:52 < Lukas__> Let someone else do it if they've got the money and personnel
17:52 < drazak> kanzure: got data on short term physical endurance on 24+ hours awake vs. well rested?
17:52 < JayDugger> The steady progress on skdb far outstrips my own work.
18:07 < Lukas__> I am checking out for the night
18:07 < Lukas__> take care guys
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18:10 < jrayhawk> Body modification (or self-mutilation) seems to be a sporadic basic drive that's existed throughout recorded human history and is quite commonly practiced in forms more extreme than lepht's even today (see http://wiki.bmezine.com/index.php/BME/Extreme ). Body modification is a primitive form of transhumanism. She is not special for wanting to stick foreign objects into her body. She is not advancing the state of the art. She is not a pio
18:12 < kanzure> jrayhawk: irc cutoff at "state of the art. She is not a pio"
18:13 < jrayhawk> oh
18:13 < jrayhawk>  She is not a pioneer. The only thing that separates her from classical self-mutilators is that she is aware of and identifies with transhumanist philosophy.
18:13 < jrayhawk> IRC is awful.
18:13 < kanzure> "She is not a pious" ?
18:13 < kanzure> oh
18:14 < kanzure> also, i'm glad bmezine.com has a wiki at least
18:14 < kanzure> gotta writeup flesh hooks somewhere i guess
18:15 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, are those your words?
18:15 < jrayhawk> One guy implanted a vibrator into his dick. I can't find that around anymore.
18:15 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, I like making the "this is a health care question" and demanding that UK provide this service argument. ;)
18:16 < joshcryer> "That poor girl, mutiliating herself because the UK health service is inadequate. If she dies they will be solely responsible."
18:18 < kanzure> dick vibrator sounds ingenious
18:18 < kanzure> i feel less of a man for not thinking of this :(
18:18 < joshcryer> What's bothersome?
18:18 < joshcryer> There are dick vibrator rings.
18:18 < joshcryer> You don't need to implant this stuff. :/
18:19 < jrayhawk> It's fairly common for female teenagers in western countries to perform amateur surgeries for implants on themselves or their friends.
18:19 < kanzure> is redhat just pissy or is wordpress honestly this hard to install?
18:19 < kanzure> i remember it being less than 2 minutes to install wordpress
18:19 < QuantumG> is anyone doing brain mutilation yet?
18:19 < joshcryer> http://www.tradenote.net/images/users/000/341/128/products_images/446290.jpg (safe for work)
18:20 < kanzure> joshcryer: i don't think that's what jrayhawk meant
18:20 < kanzure> why am i using redhat
18:20 < QuantumG> why indeed
18:21 < joshcryer> http://www.bizarremag.com/weird-news/tattoos-body-art/7719/future_mods.html
18:21 < joshcryer> kanzure, the effect appears to be the same imo.
18:22 < jrayhawk> Not really; a mere accessory doesn't satisfy the need to self-mutilate.
18:23 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, yes I believe there is some sadomasocism going on here.
18:23 < kanzure> huh? is the vibrator for the man or the target of his dick?
18:23 < jrayhawk> Sadism and masochism and self-modification are actually different drives.
18:23 < jrayhawk> It's for the man.
18:23 < kanzure> oh, hmm
18:23 < jrayhawk> Some people like the feeling of being modified but hate the pain and hate to cause the pain.
18:24 < kanzure> so much for a "magic dongle"
18:24 < joshcryer> kanzure, this isn't the culture where you have dicks that can spin freely and testicles that can be vibrators. ;P
18:24 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, true enough.
18:25 < jrayhawk> I think it's sad how little the BME folks and transhumanists interact. BME folks are doing terrifying experiments on themselves with or without good ideas behind them.
18:26 < joshcryer> Yeah I think there's an opportunity to make good subdermal implants.
18:26 < kanzure> it seems too easy to prey on them as willing subjects
18:26 < kanzure> you know what, i shouldn't complain about that
18:27 < jrayhawk> lepht is your sense of moral hazard being violated :)
18:27 < joshcryer> kanzure, no, you shouldn't
18:28 < joshcryer> We need to make sure our subjects are not killed through irresponsible experimentation.
18:28 < jrayhawk> Wuss.
18:28 < joshcryer> Rather than saying they shouldn't do it.
18:28 < kanzure> clearly you need to learn how to cover your tracks
18:28 < kanzure> you think we use volcanoes just for theatrics?
18:28 < joshcryer> No, a dead subject is a useless subject. :(
18:28 < jrayhawk> Ah, incindiary implants!
18:28 < joshcryer> Unless you're in to that kinda thing.
18:28 < jrayhawk> No, failures are always educational :)
18:29 < joshcryer> Failures are not an option!
18:29 < jrayhawk> Wuss.
18:29 < AlonzoTG> Failures are inevitable, learn from them...
18:29 < joshcryer> Also, this is subdermal dude, failing at that is like failing at life.
18:29 < joshcryer> This is stuff you learn in year one of med school. :/
18:30 < JayDugger> No, I think you use volcanoes because they're traditional.
18:30 < kanzure> geothermal energy.
18:30 < kanzure> good place to dump bodies
18:30 < joshcryer> I want a deserted wasteland.
18:30 < kanzure> .. arizona?
18:30 < joshcryer> I don't think that has been used except in Mad Max 2.
18:30 < JayDugger> They also provide good camouflage for waste heat, energy, and chemical waste.
18:31 < JayDugger> Try the South Pacific.
18:31 < JayDugger> Or any place in the deep sea that's not on a trade route.
18:31 < joshcryer> jrayhawk tell us about your anti-AI brother.
18:31 < joshcryer> Or me, everyone else probably knows.
18:31 < AlonzoTG> Yeah, I'm eventually going to need a spaceport to get off this insane rock.
18:31 < JayDugger> QG--that's your cue.
18:31 < jrayhawk> He's not anti-AI, he's very-carefully-considered-AI.
18:32 < joshcryer> JayDugger, there's an ideal spot in the middle of the atlantic on the equator which trade routes pass but don't interfere.
18:33 < jrayhawk> very-carefully-considered-to-the-point-where-if-it's-going-to-destroy-humanity-we-may-as-well-at-least-have-good-epistemic-justification-for-it-to-do-so-AI
18:33 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, does he have a manifesto/blog?
18:33 < kanzure> singularity institute
18:33 < joshcryer> Heh.
18:34 < jrayhawk> no, he would be terrified of making public statements that could possibly be construed as value judgements on the matter.
18:35 < jrayhawk> he is terrified of the irrationality of agency
18:35 < joshcryer> if your brother is Eliezer I mean no offense with my statements about him in the past, but I stand by them :P
18:36 < jrayhawk> http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/02/share-likelihood-ratios-not-posterior-beliefs.html
18:36 < kanzure> no it's not eliezer
18:36 < joshcryer> woot
18:36 < joshcryer> http://singinst.org/upload/CFAI.html
18:36 < joshcryer> It's been a DECADE!
18:36 < joshcryer> (or thereabouts)
18:36 < joshcryer> (not sure of actual date of publication but I know some time in 2001)
18:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i wish eliezer would be more terrified by agency
18:37 < jrayhawk> agency is sortof important to survival
18:37 < AlonzoTG> Yep, that's pretty much the first thing I'm going to have to put into my robot.
18:38 < AlonzoTG> Intelligence is built on top of it.
18:38 < joshcryer> JayDugger, anyway seasteading is so much win now that I discovered about black smokers.
18:38 < joshcryer> We can start our own nation state with a couple of billion bucks!
18:38 < jrayhawk> perhaps i should be more specific: steve is terrified of the irrationally of *his own* agency.
18:38 < JayDugger> You can start your own nation with money, guns, and diplomats.
18:39 < joshcryer> Remoteness is also a plus.
18:39 < joshcryer> And inarguable ownership rights.
18:39 < joshcryer> You build a floating island people can't be all "you took our land!"
18:39 < JayDugger> No place on Earth's oceans is sufficiently remote to avoid a belligerent modern navy.
18:39 < jrayhawk> he also has serious doubts about whether to trust anyone else, but is mostly willing to accept their attempts at agency-corrupted rationality for what they are.
18:39 < kanzure> joshcryer: you bore me
18:39 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, I am terrified by my inablity to understand what is meant by 'agency' here.
18:40 < joshcryer> kanzure, do something.
18:41 < JayDugger> s/No place/I claim no place/
18:42 < jrayhawk> agency: motivation, will, desire
18:42 < joshcryer> JayDugger, that's fair enough, it'd make for an interesting debate.
18:42 < joshcryer> jrayhawk, he is terrified by the irrationality of his own motivation, will, desire?
18:43 < jrayhawk> Yes. Those are inherently orthogonal to rationality. I can easily corrupt your sense of truth using your desire to survive by constantly threatening you with a gun if you think/act/say the wrong way.
18:47 < joshcryer> So let me make a big boring assumption here; he feels threatened by the possiblity of evil AI that he thinks he should make nice AI?
18:48 < jrayhawk> I'm guessing at this point based on what I know about him that he feels most threatened not by an evil AI, but by his own survival-based motivations to make a nice AI.
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18:50 < jrayhawk> If someone were to make an actual evil AI that took over the world, I think he'd feel relief.
18:50 < jrayhawk> "oh, well, that simplifies everything"
18:50 < AlonzoTG> I feel threatened by people who have absolutely no regard for what I consider to be life and are looking forward to wielding tremendous power over the universe and -- oops, reducing the earth to computronium in the process for no good reason.
18:50 < jrayhawk> And of course he'd feel guilty about the fact that he would feel relief.
18:50 < AlonzoTG> This world isn't worth taking over.
18:51 < joshcryer> It sounds like he's just irrational for the sake of it. :P
18:51 < jrayhawk> The world is full of useful, delicious matter.
18:51 < AlonzoTG> Just hop in a space ship, go out on a 1,000 year orbit, come back, empty planet! =P
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18:51 < joshcryer> The world is full of useful, delicious, 1G gravity well matter.
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18:53 < jrayhawk> Or, rather, he currently feels guilty about the fact that he would feel relief.
18:58 < joshcryer> http://www.technewsdaily.com/invisibility-cloak-hides-objects-from-sonar-1945/
19:00 < kanzure> anselm in the news: http://www.newelectronics.co.uk/article/30513/Could-optogenetics-be-the-technology-that-allows-us-to-unlock-the-workings-of-the-brain.aspx
19:00 < kanzure> hm and ed boyden
19:01 < joshcryer> Kurzweil right again?
19:04 < kanzure> life extension founation just announced that they are spending $2M in funding on telomere lengthening research
19:05 < JayDugger> Oh?
19:05 < kanzure> something about Michael West <mwest@biotimemail.com> and BioTime, Inc.
19:05 < JayDugger> That's good to hear.
19:05 < kanzure> oops, *life extension foundation
19:06 < JayDugger> I can't afford TA-65.
19:07 < JayDugger> Not that LEF's efforts will result in something low-cost.
19:07 < JayDugger> s/will/will necessarily/
19:08 < joshcryer> Not that LEF's efforts will result in something that actually does anything. >:P
19:10 < JayDugger> Fair enough.
19:11 < joshcryer> s/will/will necessarily/
19:11 < joshcryer> ;D
19:33 < joshcryer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUpkPTcqPY
19:36 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
19:38 < joshcryer> 'night Jappe2
19:38 < joshcryer> doh
19:38 < joshcryer> JayDugger
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19:52 < kanzure> press release re: LEF funding http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110103005392/en/BioTime-Subsidiary-ReCyte-Therapeutics-Develop-Therapies-Age-Related
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21:26 < kanzure> singularity institute on npr http://www.npr.org/2011/01/11/132840775/The-Singularity-Humanitys-Last-Invention
21:38 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/overcomingbiasnyc
21:41 < kanzure> i'm starting to get some oddly specific spam
21:42 < kanzure> especially from chinese suppliers for various electronic and mechanical industry services
21:42 < kanzure> but i'm worried that if i mark these as spam, legitimate business email that matches the same style will also get flagged
21:42 < kanzure> what do i doo
21:47 < fenn>  use spambayes
21:52 < kanzure> how was tim?
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23:06 < joshcryer> Write off Chinese electronic and mechanical industry services.
23:17 < joshcryer> http://www.yosemite-17-gigapixels.com/
23:50 < fenn> tim ferriss "couldn't make it", dunno why
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