--- Log opened Sun Jan 16 00:00:52 2011
00:01 < JayDugger> Let me test my currently installed version. That will keep me honest.
00:06 < JayDugger> Filelight's context menu permits, depending on the directory the mouse pointer hovers above, recentering the map on that directory, opening Konqueror there, opening Konsole there, and recursively deleting there.
00:07 < JayDugger> Filelight, if the scale permits, shows individual files.
00:08 < JayDugger> YMMV.
00:10 < JayDugger> At file level, Filelight's context menu will open, delete, or copy to the clipboard that file.
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01:02 < timschmidt> hey, a couple days ago, someone here linked to small inserts that could go in tubes, and produced a vortex that mixed thing moving through the tubes...
01:02 < timschmidt> anyone have the link?
01:03 < timschmidt> nevermind: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Static_mixer
01:46 < fenn> just curious why you were looking for that?
01:49 < timschmidt> macavity in #reprap is designing an extruder for cement + PVA glue + waterglass
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02:01 < Lukas__> Huzzah
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04:21 < Lukas__> Good morning
06:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/gene-therapy/
06:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/
06:28 < kanzure> poor implementation but nice name: http://virushunters.net/
06:29 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/myostatin/
06:41 < timschmidt> So I've just about got a wrench-buildable $100ish metal lathe designed
06:41 < kanzure> what's with the drop in gene therapy clinical trials last year? http://www.abedia.com/wiley/images/1006years.jpg
06:41 < timschmidt> utilizing steel gridbeam
06:41 < JayDugger> Oh?
06:41 < JayDugger> What does the steel gridbeam cost you?
06:41 < timschmidt> in my area...  about $22 / 6ft
06:42 < timschmidt> from Menards
06:42 < JayDugger> Menards sells steel grid beam?
06:42 < timschmidt> yeah
06:42 < timschmidt> 1" and 1.5" widths
06:43 < timschmidt> It's in the nuts and bolts section
06:44 < timschmidt> $22 / 6ft seems to be nearly identical to the pricing of misumi aluminum 8020
06:44 < timschmidt> which is as cheap as that stuff gets
06:44 < timschmidt> :-/
06:45 < JayDugger> I don't see it on Menards.com
06:46 < timschmidt> they have it
06:46 < kanzure> heh sql injection vulnerabilities on the gene therapy database <3
06:46 < timschmidt> I've purchased it at the Menards in Grand Rapids, and Lansing
06:47 < kanzure> http://www.abedia.com/wiley/search_results.php?TrialCountry=China%27%20OR%201=%271
06:47 < JayDugger> I'll keep looking. Back to your lathe.
06:47 < timschmidt> They sell it under the "Steelworks" brand
06:50 < timschmidt> I've got the motor mount, spindle, and tailstock figured out
06:50 < timschmidt> not much left to do
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06:55 < Lukas__> thanks Kanzure
06:58 < timschmidt> JayDugger: are you interested in designing gridbeam stuff?
07:05 < timschmidt> kanzure: any chance you could point me to your stl2png rendering scripts?
07:06 < timschmidt> I'm going to need to generate a lot of pretty renders soon
07:10 < kanzure> sure.. h
07:10 < kanzure> uh.. let me dig.
07:10 < kanzure> step2png stuff is over here: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb under import_tools/
07:12 < kanzure> my copy of stl2pov was taken from the web
07:12 < kanzure> http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/software/stl2pov-2.4.3.tar.gz
07:12 < kanzure> http://counter.reprap.org/stl2web/
07:15 < joshcryer> timschmidt, any reason not to use Blender? Lots of batches to do?
07:16 < kanzure> lol blender
07:16 < kanzure> i wish i had some sort of anti-blender +5 shield
07:16  * joshcryer blends kanzure
07:16 < kanzure> as long as you give me a high poly count.
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07:17 < joshcryer> Import stl (file->import->stl), delete-cube-object (left click, delete), select stl object (left click), press s for scaling, scale to 1:1 with grid, use, render.
07:19 < joshcryer> Let me know when our machines have resolution higher than stl files. No, really, I think that should be a real goal. Force people to use parametric objects or nurbs, etc.
07:19  * timschmidt does CSG modeling, and doesn't know a lick of Blender
07:20 < joshcryer> stl destroys the CSG, though. :/
07:20 < kanzure> stl is a bad idea and you should stop pimping it, joshcryer
07:20 < joshcryer> I'm not pimping it.
07:20 < timschmidt> joshcryer: indeed it does.  what relevance is this to me?
07:21 < kanzure> a pimp for blender is a pimp for stl
07:21 < kanzure> :P
07:21 < joshcryer> timschmidt, you asked for a rendering method to render stl files did you not?
07:21 < timschmidt> yes, to render them to 2D images
07:21 < timschmidt> I'm not doing my work in STL
07:21 < kanzure> joshcryer: you should have given him a headless blender script for rendering shit
07:21 < timschmidt> it's a middling format
07:22 < timschmidt> OpenSCAD -> STL -> PNG
07:22 < joshcryer> Hmm is thingiverse rendering STL files or are those peoples' uploads?
07:22 < timschmidt> you know, for the web!
07:22 < kanzure> thingiverse renders stl via stl2pov
07:22 < joshcryer> Ahh
07:22 < timschmidt> it often barfs on large ones though
07:22 < joshcryer> I really ought to get an account there.
07:22 < kanzure> joshcryer: it's not worth it
07:22 < joshcryer> (just so I'm not asking so many questions)
07:23 < kanzure> stl2pov isn't something you magically learn about when you register..
07:23 < JayDugger> Yes, Tim Schmidt, I have a book scanner project on my to-do list.
07:23 < joshcryer> kanzure, fair enough.
07:23 < kanzure> "Thank you for registering! Here's exactly how to mimic the entire thingiverse infrastructure:"
07:23 < timschmidt> sadly, no
07:23 < joshcryer> (it would've answered the question about whether or not it rendered the files for you and could've promted more exploration as to how)
07:23 < JayDugger> There exists at least one design using 8020 on diybookscanner.org, and grid beam looks like a good substitute if 8020 proves too expensive.
07:24 < kanzure> if anyone wants to go into business with me and isn't afraid of actually doing business :P i have an 8020 distributorship opening.
07:24 < timschmidt> I asked because I wrote a gridbeam CAD library now included with MCAD, which makes prototyping virtually very easy
07:24 < timschmidt> I'd like to see something similar in MCAD for 8020
07:24  * kanzure nos
07:24 < kanzure> nods
07:25 < joshcryer> kanzure, 8020 distributorship?
07:25 < timschmidt> MCAD: http://reprap.org/wiki/MCAD
07:26 < kanzure> joshcryer: yeah.. i had a few business partners but they weren't really interested in *doing business* on this prjoect
07:26 < kanzure> *project
07:26 < kanzure> i can't run it full time because i'm busy
07:26 < kanzure> but the moola is good.
07:27 < joshcryer> I'm quitting my job in a few more months and going off of pure android / iphone cash flow.
07:34 < Lukas__> D:
07:34 < JayDugger> timschmidt, do you have a link for the Steelworks grid beam?
07:34 < timschmidt> nope
07:45 < JayDugger> No worries.
07:45 < JayDugger> Where will you announce the completed lathe design?
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07:47 < timschmidt> I can blurb about it here again
07:48 < JayDugger> Please do, here or in #reprap. It interests me.
07:48 < timschmidt> the makefile for stl2pov doesn't agree with GNU make :(
07:50 < timschmidt> solution: upgrade to stl2pov 2.4.4
07:58 < timschmidt> :-/ wasn't aware povray is licensed in a non-free way
07:58 < timschmidt> no fedora packages
07:58 < kanzure> i think yaray might be a compatible alternative
07:58 < kanzure> megapov
07:59 < kanzure> http://zrcube.sf.net/
08:00 < kanzure> oops i meant yafaray not yaray
08:00 < kanzure> http://yafaray.org/
08:01 < kanzure> stl2pov probably isn't too interesting.. convert all triangles into pov-triangles, not a huge deal
08:01 < kanzure> although the camera angles, environment, grid, etc. will be annoying to port over
08:03 < timschmidt> ok, povray installed.  Seems to work, but I get a black image the size I request
08:06 < joshcryer> timschmidt, don't kill me: http://farmerjoe.info/?p=2
08:07 < timschmidt> heh, I think I'm just missing a few options
08:07 < timschmidt> will bang on it for another few minutes
08:08 < kanzure> a headless blender is fine for rendering IMHO
08:08 < kanzure> but *ray probably has a lighter footprint
08:11 < joshcryer> Yeah, go with whatever works, that link may not pose a full solution anyway.
08:16 < timschmidt> hrm.  still no dice.  just black images
08:20 < timschmidt> hrm.  appears as though stl2pov did not add a light source
08:20 < timschmidt> that would do it
08:35 < kanzure> heh :)
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08:35 < kanzure> timschmidt: feel free to fork it, since i'll be using this in the future as well
08:36 < kanzure> i don't know if it's actively maintained
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08:36 < timschmidt> k
08:43 < timschmidt> finally have it rendering
08:43 < joshcryer> Pics? :D
08:43 < kanzure> pics or it didn't happen
08:44 < kanzure> timschmidt: do you have webspace somewhere?
08:44 < kanzure> and would you like an account on gnusha.org
08:44 < kanzure> (diyhpl.us)
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08:48 < timschmidt> http://imgur.com/XM57s
08:48 < timschmidt> first crappy render
08:49 < timschmidt> will hack stl2pov to generate code that actually renders soon
08:50 < joshcryer> :D
08:52 < kanzure> "Blogger Superkuh documented a surreal conversation he had with Pitchford"
08:52 < kanzure> blogger? :/
08:53 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
08:53 < joshcryer> 'night JayDugger
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08:54 < joshcryer> Should I know superkuh?
08:54 < timschmidt> ugh
08:54 < kanzure> joshcryer: he's in here.
08:54 < kanzure> i dunno if i'd describe him as a blogger :P
08:56 < joshcryer> He seems to be more of an IRCer.
09:24 < timschmidt> based on stl2pov's output, it should be easy to adapt to any of the various povray-like softwares
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10:00 < kanzure> "do any of these guys have real jobs?" http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/humanity-board-directors-elections#comment-13115
10:00 < kanzure> heh.
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10:01 < kanzure> (the answer is yes of course.. michael works for halcyon and singinst, patri has worked for google for too long, todd works for DARPA, and ben has too many jobs)
10:05 < Lukas__> I always wondered that
10:07 < kanzure> ?
10:10 < Lukas__> If a lot of the people at H+ ever did anything practical
10:11 < kanzure> do you mean practical transhuman tech or practical anything?
10:12 < Lukas__> practical anything
10:12 < kanzure> *shrug* sure
10:13 < Lukas__> Still, there is probably a list with the credentials of various people at H+ somewhere out there
10:13 < Lukas__> I admit, I am lazy
10:14 < kanzure> ben goertzel CV http://www.goertzel.org/Goertzel_resume.pdf
10:14 < kanzure> academic CV http://www.goertzel.org/Goertzel_cv.pdf
10:15 < kanzure> natasha vita-more's CV http://www.natasha.cc/Nov_2009.pdf
10:16 < kanzure> hm who else has a usable CV on the board.. uh.
10:23 < joshcryer> Not having a real job could be a plus.
10:23 < kanzure> nanotech paperdump upload has finished
10:23 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/nanotech/
10:25 < joshcryer> Update your pic kanzure.
10:25 < kanzure> where/which
10:30 < joshcryer> The shaggy one.
10:38 < Lukas__> Has anyone tried experimenting on human tissue yet
10:38 < Lukas__> ?
10:44  * archels points at the cutters scene
10:48 < Lukas__> ?
10:54 < Lukas__> Kanzure, may I please have that cache on gene therapy you posted two days ago?
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11:17 < kanzure> Lukas__: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/gene-therpay/
11:17 < kanzure> er
11:17 < kanzure> Lukas__: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/gene-therapy/
11:18 < Lukas__> :D
11:18 < Lukas__> thank you
11:19 < Lukas__> also, lol @ your bodybuilding page
11:20 < Lukas__> I am going to go through them later tonight, I've been looking for ways to optimize my workout routine (though I only do bodyweight training)
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11:48 < Lukas__> what is Kevin Warwick up to?
12:01 < CryptoQuick> Lukas__: I remember that guy! he was on Wired magazine, like, earlier last decade
12:06 < Lukas__> I am surprised Wired hasn't done anything more recent
12:06 < CryptoQuick> Wired, Tired, Expired: Wired
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12:43 < kanzure> "extrapolaholics anonymous"
12:44 < Lukas__> what?
12:46 < Lukas__> ah
12:50 < Lukas__> What do you make of it, Kanzure?
12:55 < kanzure> i laughed :)
12:55 < kanzure> anyway, i've fixed http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/Aubrey/
12:55 < kanzure> so that papers now have relevant names
12:56 < kanzure> also new papers since 2007 are in here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/Aubrey/new-via-sens.org/
12:57 < Lukas__> thanks
12:57 < Lukas__> You haven't touched your youtube channel in a while and you've got a lot of information to share to potential DIYers
12:59 < kanzure> video isn't the best format for the things i need to get done..
13:03 < CryptoQuick> wiki?
13:03 < CryptoQuick> as in, a wiki?
13:04  * kanzure scratches his head
13:04 < kanzure> i don't think doing software or hardware development in a wiki is a good idea
13:04 < kanzure> and you're probably trolling me
13:05 < Lukas__> XD
13:05 < CryptoQuick> I'm not! I used to do a wiki a while ago
13:05 < CryptoQuick> was doing some development in it, but nothing major
13:05 < CryptoQuick> en.phyco.org
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13:16 < kanzure> timschmidt: did you ever end up adding a metadata.yaml to your openscad-filled git repos?
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13:22 < kanzure> hi gleapsite
13:22 < kanzure> dunno if you're into life extension stuff :) just uploaded: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/Aubrey/
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13:28 < gleapsite> I'll probably be reading a lot of /papers/
13:28 < kanzure> :)
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13:29 < gleapsite> re: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/2007-12-Directed_Energy_Beam_weapons_Report.pdf have you seen http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/12/boeing-747-destroys-ballistic-missile-with-laser/
13:30 < gleapsite> I guess this is why Reagan called it "star wars"
13:31 < kanzure> superkuh probably knows more on that front than i do
13:32 < kanzure> Perspectives on the American Physical Society Directed Energy Report http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Electromagnetics/Perspectives%20on%20the%20American%20Physical%20Society%20Directed%20Energy%20Report.pdf
13:32 < gleapsite> I can only link publicly available materials. :)
13:32 < kanzure> Diffraction effects in directed radiation beams http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Electromagnetics/Diffraction%20Effects%20in%20Directed%20Radiation%20Beams.pdf
13:32 < kanzure> gleapsite: ah i see how it is
13:32 < kanzure> have fun with your lasers
13:33 < kanzure> actually this entire directory is probably your cup of tea http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Electromagnetics/
13:33 < gleapsite> from the DIY angle, supposedly you can rip the magnetron out of a microwave, add some control circuitry, connect it to a parabolic dish and make your own ray gun
13:34 < gleapsite> yes.
13:36 < gleapsite> you might want to add this, its distro A  (unlimited): http://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedia/Navy%20handbook/EW_Radar_Handbook.pdf
13:36 < gleapsite> Electronic warfare and radar systems engineering handbook
13:36 < gleapsite> covers a lot of the basics
13:37 < Lukas__> DIY weapons?
13:37 < gleapsite> directed energy beams
13:37 < gleapsite> Its why I want to find a different job.
13:38 < Lukas__> Excuse my ignorance, but what for?
13:38 < gleapsite> but.  that EW handbook is applicable for more than just warfare
13:39 < gleapsite> well, I've never really liked working on weapons.
13:43 < kanzure> gleapsite: is there any explanation out there (maybe on arxiv?) better than "virtual photons!" for electromagnetism?
13:45 < gleapsite> kanzure: I don't understand your question,  like an into to wave theory?
13:45 < kanzure> no
13:45 < kanzure> feynman's best explanation of electromagnetism and electrodynamics involved his path integral formulation (sum over histories) and, in particular, a mechanical explanation using "virtual photons"
13:46 < kanzure> but ultimately he kinda gave up on any usable explanation.
13:48 < gleapsite> No. I've never explored this aspect of electromagnetism. I always took the underlying physics as a given.
13:48 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle
13:48 < kanzure> okie dokie.
13:49 < gleapsite> kanzure, already there :)
13:49 < kanzure> "The magnetic field between magnetic dipoles. It is caused by the exchange of virtual photons. In symmetric 3-dimensional space this exchange results in the inverse square law for magnetic force. Since the photon has no mass, the magnetic potential has an infinite range."
13:50 < gleapsite> from my experience, the inverse square law holds up in free space, but on the surface its more of a 1/r^4
13:50 < gleapsite> I'll read up
13:51 < kanzure> not a big deal- was just picking your brainzz
13:51 < kanzure> *brainz
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14:35 < kanzure> http://biopunkreader.com/?cat=6
14:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i'm looking for python-qt4.deb for pyqt 4.2.. is there a quick/easy way via apt to search for old package version numbers?
14:37 < AlonzoTG1> om
14:38 < jrayhawk> If you add every repository ever, yes, but usually it's more practical to use packages.debian.org/packagename for recent stuff and google search site:archive.debian.org for older stuff
14:38 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i'm getting python-qt4=4.4.2 when i search via google :/ (because 4.4.2 looks a lot like 4.2)
14:38 < kanzure> google has become retarded about numbers
14:39 < kanzure> lol no results for site:archive.debian.org "python-qt4" "4.2" -4.4.2
14:39 < kanzure> this is stupid.
14:40 < kanzure> i wonder if 4.4.2 refers to qt4 4.2 not 4.4.2
14:45 < jrayhawk> ugh, that's right in the middle of the etch/sarge gap. It's unlikely that's kept anywhere.
14:45 < jrayhawk> ubuntu might have it in some form; no idea if it would be safe to install on debian.
14:46 < jrayhawk> the giant woody/sarge and sarge/etch release delays are why ubuntu exists, even
14:46 < kanzure> nevermind.. fenn to the rescue
14:46 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/compile_nanoengineer
14:46 < kanzure> wget http://www.nanoengineer-1.com/bhelfrich/BuildMeister/PyQt-x11-gpl-4.3.3.tar.gz
14:48 < kanzure> nanoengineer has been segfaulting because of pyqt4 4.6.. well, probably because it's using some deprecated way to initialize the windows
14:51 < kanzure> wut
14:51 < kanzure> Error: This version of PyQt and the Desktop edition of Qt have incompatible licenses.
14:54 < QuantumG> what a joke
14:55 < kanzure> screw it i'll just fix the seg fault. jeesh.
14:55 < kanzure> a guy can't try to cut corners these days?
15:04 < QuantumG> http://colbert.physics.harvard.edu/
15:04 < QuantumG> (on Slashdot now)
15:06 < QuantumG> I was thinking about this the other day.. C. elegans is the only multicellular organism known to be able to survive the space environment.  With this (crude) tech you could have them wiggle around the hull of your spacecraft and fix micrometeroid impacts ;)
15:08 < Lukas__> I'd rather just use the genes that make them radiation resistance for ourselves
15:08 < Lukas__> or we could do both
15:09 < QuantumG> it's more the hard vacuum resistance that makes em useful :)
15:10 < Lukas__> there has to be a biochemical property that allows them to withstand that
15:10 < Lukas__> if that is true, then it can be harnessed and scaled up
15:26 < kanzure> why don't i have a /papers/bio/syntheticbiology directory
15:26 < kanzure> what injustice in this world.
15:27 < kanzure> while i'm at it is there some commonly-known way to get rsync to detect file moves/renames?
15:28 < jrayhawk> You'd have to build a separate tool for making hash tables, I believe.
15:28 < jrayhawk> git annex would make this easy, but it's a little flaky.
15:28 < kanzure> seems easier to just write a script for my file renames and then run the script on all mirror locations
15:28 < kanzure> 'easier'
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16:13 < fenn> git-annex looks pretty cool
16:13 < fenn> why is it flaky?
16:30 < kanzure> new: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/phosphoramidite/
16:41 < Lukas__> Oops! This link appears to be broken.
16:47 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/phosphoramidites/
16:48 < Lukas__> :D
16:48 < Lukas__> thanks
16:53 < Lukas__> When I'm at the main index, how do I access the individual indexes?
16:54 < kanzure> please restate the question
16:54 < kanzure> you can sort by size to see the folders listed first..
16:54 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/?C=S;O=A
16:54 < kanzure> is that what you want?
16:54 < Lukas__> bingo
16:54 < Lukas__> thank you
16:55 < Lukas__> Sorry for the clumsy wording
16:55 < kanzure> oh hm i forgot about http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/igem/
17:19 < fenn> heh "augment early and often" - jurvetson
17:21 < kanzure> who the hell is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz@gmail.com
17:23 < Lukas__> troll
17:30 < Lukas__> I'll see you guys tomorrow
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17:38 < fenn> i'd let the AI out of the box... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_vw2U8p3sM&hd=1
17:39 < fenn> "The screen will work for about 15 years after purchase before it will have to undergo a partial repair. Therefore it depends on the buyer whether they let the woman float for a further 15 years in the bath.... "
17:43  * kanzure just got the source code for theuncertainfuture.com
17:44 < kanzure> everyone at singinst.org agrees it should be open source but there is no specific license chosen
17:44 < kanzure> should i commit an agpl LICENSE file?
17:44 < fenn> sure, why not?
17:45 < kanzure> great. where do i find that :(
17:45 < gleapsite> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl.html ?
17:45 < kanzure> that's .html
17:45 < kanzure> ah here we go http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.txt
17:45 < gleapsite> what do you need?
17:46 < kanzure> got it.
17:49 < gleapsite> agpl means that even people who just use the software to provide a service also have to publish source, vs gpl where they don't. right?
17:50 < kanzure> yes
17:51 < kanzure> uploading..
17:52 < gleapsite> Any recommended reading for convincing an employer to release code as open source?
17:53 < kanzure> is it your current employer?
17:53 < kanzure> enthought.com might have someone who can help
17:55 < gleapsite> maybe I'll give them a call.
18:07 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/uncertainfuture/
18:07 < kanzure> behold
18:08 < kanzure> i'm a little disappointed that for something starting in 2008-07-01 the repo begins 2009-11-24
18:12 < kanzure> see it in action: http://theuncertainfuture.com/
18:16 < QuantumG> how big was the first commit?
18:19 < kanzure> big.. had lots of stupid binaries
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18:36 < kanzure> i've always failed at using theuncertainfuture.com.. it always tells me a singularity happens around 2018
18:36 < QuantumG> what's the singularity again?
18:38 < QuantumG> "A technological singularity is a hypothetical event occurring when technological progress becomes so rapid that it makes the future after the singularity qualitatively different and harder to predict."
18:38 < QuantumG> gee, that's helpful
18:38 < kanzure> a point in our civilization's history where technology development curves go exponential
18:38 < kanzure> er, exponential or logarthimic within more local time frames
18:38 < QuantumG> I'm pretty sure Facebook was unimaginable in 1990
18:38 < kanzure> singinst.org will claim that the "only" definition of 'singularity' is one where you have Intelligence making more Intelligent Intelligence
18:38 < QuantumG> clearly the singularity happened around 1995
18:39 < kanzure> fenn claims it happened in 1968
18:39 < QuantumG> if it's entirely about the future being harder to predict, then isn't Kurzweil actively working against the singularity with all his prediction stuff?
18:42 < kanzure> well for some people it's nerd-rapture (i.e. ai will kill us all)
18:43 < QuantumG> isn't there plenty of people in the world right now that are incapable of imagining life in the western world (I don't actually know)
18:43 < kanzure> it's not realy about an anti-prediction barrier.. i could care less about that
18:43 < kanzure> no, wait, i can't
18:44 < QuantumG> ok, even if you define it as machine-intelligence > human-intelligence, it's still about the social implications of that isn't it?
18:44 < kanzure> depends who you ask :P
18:44 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularitarianism  nice
18:44 < kanzure> yep
18:45 < kanzure> i thought you knew why i'm always complaining about eliezer's cult?
18:45 < QuantumG> eliezer?
18:45 < QuantumG> I've never read these principles
18:46 < QuantumG> A Singularitarian believes the Singularity should benefit the entire world, and should not be a means to benefit any specific individual or group. <- I guess I fail
18:46 < kanzure> basically singularity institute exists to take control of 'the singularity' and make sure it's beneficial, blah blah blah
18:47 < kanzure> i meant to scarequote "control" not "the singularity" oops
18:48 < QuantumG> I guess I should solve this strong AI problem already eh?
18:48 < QuantumG> I'm so lazy
18:48 < gleapsite> just program a computer to do it.
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20:31 < kanzure> QuantumG: oh, you should've linked to https://github.com/samuellab/mindcontrol
20:32 < kanzure> glad to see some optogenetics stuff
20:32 < kanzure> fenn: what does anselm say
21:29 < delinquentme> so im learning how silicon chips are made for the first time
21:30 < delinquentme> AWESOME
21:30 < delinquentme> the seed crystal omg so sweet
21:30 < delinquentme> spin it around and a HUGE chunk of silicon comes out
21:59 < kanzure> fenn: i just saw your hplusmagazine.com comment.. it's not clear to me, which candidate is a part of the rat race? :D
22:06 < delinquentme> hey kanzure you dont happen to have any groups of videos from discoverys how its made on roboots or cool things like that do you?
22:29 < kanzure> typos? what
22:34 < delinquentme> discovery channel !
22:34 < delinquentme> how its made
22:34 < delinquentme> roboots! and other cool things
22:55 < fenn> "which candidate is a part of the rat race" neither of them
22:55 < fenn> i was responding to the comment above it
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