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00:08 < timschmidt> jesus.  every goddamn thing I upload to thingiverse doesn't render
00:08 < timschmidt> we can't get an alternative running fast enough
00:10 < joshcryer> Wage slaves are not necessarily "dedicated to the rat race."
00:11 < joshcryer> It's more that wage slaves are less likely to commit their time and energy to empty causes that increase their responsiblity with no tangible near term returns.
00:50 < timschmidt> kanzure: progress has been made with stl2pov
00:51 < timschmidt> I've got it spitting whatever text I want into the pov files, and keeping track of min/max vertices for viewport manipulation
00:52 < timschmidt> I should have it automatically generating really nice renders of any STL you feed it tonight
01:33 < joshcryer> timschmidt, cool dude. :D
02:00 < joshcryer> timschmidt, did you switch to yafaray or are you using POV?
02:02 < timschmidt> still using pov.  yafaray is also not packaged for fedora
02:08 < timschmidt> it should be easy to adapt it though
02:09 < timschmidt> oh, it's part of blender...
02:09 < timschmidt> let me check if it comes when I install it
02:12 < joshcryer> I don't think it does.
02:14 < timschmidt> :-/
02:15 < joshcryer> it's lgpl'd which is why I asked, I read that you didn't like POVs unfreeness
02:16 < joshcryer> Not to distract you, I say get whatever works working. :D
02:23 < timschmidt> No, I appreciate it
02:23 < timschmidt> always willing to go through a little pain to work with Free software
02:40 < mjr> Yeah, pov-ray's licensing is an inconvenient accident of history. It was pretty liberal for its time in the beginning, the free software movement wasn't as well developed
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05:48 < Utopiah> mention of Bryan Bishop in the 1st french H+ conf ;)
05:49 < archels> who?
05:49 < Utopiah> kanzure
05:50 < archels> I was joking :)
05:54 < Lukas__> Really?  What was said?
05:58 < Utopiah> it was to counter a AI-only view of transhumanism and to mention biohacking and "printing"/rapid prototypying
05:59 < Lukas__> That sounds about right
06:00 < Lukas__> I am trying to get my former high school chemistry teacher to start a hackerspace
06:00 < timschmidt> excellent.  Few can argue we're not already smarter than we used to be thanks to computers
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06:19 < wrldpc2> i need help identifying an encryption scheme based on the encrypted message
06:20 < archels> It's ROT-13.
06:20 < wrldpc2> LOL!!
06:20 < wrldpc2> james?
06:21 < wrldpc2> It's not ROT-13
06:21 < wrldpc2> no it's definitely not ROT-13
06:22 < wrldpc2> it looks like a hash 696620796f752063616e20756e6465727374616e64207468697320636f707920616e6420706173746520746f20796f757220737461747573
06:22 < wrldpc2> that's part of it
06:22 < timschmidt> ROT-26?
06:23 < wrldpc2> >:|
06:23 < wrldpc2> it's not ROT!
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06:27 < timschmidt> my favorite hash reversing algorithm (google) doesn't return anything
06:28 < Lukas__> that's impossible
06:29 < Lukas__> google knows all
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06:30 < wrldpc2> I broke them down into lines and still nothing
06:30 < wrldpc2> 696620796f752063616e20756e
06:30 < wrldpc2> produces nil
06:35 < kanzure> wrldpc2: if you tell us the context or where you found it, it would help
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06:48 < joshcryer> QuantumG, Mark Twain arguably predicted social networking. When I was in my 20s I predicted BitTorrent and thought that by now we'd have a distributed social network setup. Every time I'd hear about things like OpenID or Freenet I kept thinking someone had implemented it but every time their implementation was fail.
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07:01 < wrldpc2> James Clement posted it on my wall.
07:07 < timschmidt> Kliment: I'm going to be AFK for a while, if elmom shows up, please ask him to email me, or ping me in #repsnapper
07:08 < timschmidt> oops
07:08 < timschmidt> sorry about that
08:04 < kanzure> so, what's all this about using optogenetics to make worms squirm? wasn't anselm and even boyden showing off optogenetic control of mouse movement?
08:04 < kanzure> i guess that was just a "run yes/no" behavioral thing
08:08 < kanzure> timschmidt: what do you think about a standard for qr codes for open source hardware? obviously it shouldn't be anything too complex..
08:25 < kanzure> via mendeley.com.. http://altmetrics.org/manifesto/ for alternative metrics for filtering scholarly papers
08:29 < kanzure> links from scienceonline 2011 https://scio11.wikispaces.com/Blog+and+Media+coverage
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08:30 < kanzure> Extending Arxiv.org to Achieve Open Peer Review and Publishing.” http://arxiv.org/pdf/1011.6590v1
08:32 < kanzure> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/neuron-culture-ebooks-open-science-and-bullshit-filters-at-scienceonline/
08:33 < kanzure> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/10/how-to-set-the-bullshit-filter-when-the-bullshit-is-thick/
08:34 < kanzure> i wonder why conferences always take forever to post videos http://scienceonline2011.com/watch-live/
08:34 < kanzure> if they are streaming then they should be able to immediately post the videos
08:35 < kanzure> http://arin.me/blog/wtf-is-a-supercolumn-cassandra-data-model
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08:53 < kanzure> Lukas__: instead of posting links on your invisionboard why not use http://delicious.com/ or something?
08:55 < Lukas__> A)  I didn't know about that website (thanks for the heads up and   B)  I didn't know you check the site
08:56 < Lukas__> I am still deciding whether to scrap it or not
08:56 < Lukas__> I probably will
08:56 < Lukas__> anyway, thanks
08:58 < kanzure> i don't directly check your site but i do get notified when you update it.
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09:36 < archels> kanzure: URL to Lukas__' site?
09:42 < kanzure> http://z15.invisionfree.com/Self_Hack/
09:44 < archels> ty
09:45 < archels> He sure is looking up to you, isn't he? "I urge you to be a [...] Bryan Bishop".
09:48 < kanzure> ha kevin warwick? no thanks
09:51 < archels> Warwick has street cred.
10:02 < kanzure> http://academicearth.org/ seems to be an academic video aggregator
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14:27 < kanzure> jrayhawk: gnusha still doesn't tweet commits
14:45 < AlonzoTG1> ??
14:45 < AlonzoTG1> =\
14:57 < jrayhawk> Ugh. So much to do, so little motivation.
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15:01 < kanzure> jrayhawk: is there any specific reason that htmlscrubber_skip wouldn't work in /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup ? see http://ikiwiki.info/tips/embedding_content/
15:01 < jrayhawk> Do I even enable htmlscrubber?
15:02 < kanzure> somehow some embed/object html elements are scrubbed
15:02 < jrayhawk> huh, dopey me
15:02 < jrayhawk> 'Enabled by default: yes'
15:02 < jrayhawk> i see.
15:02 < kanzure> but htmlscrubber_skip doesn't work? :/
15:03 < jrayhawk> Did you rebuild the CGI?
15:03 < jrayhawk> or whatever it is you're editing through
15:03 < kanzure> part of the problem might be that i don't know how to specify paths for htmlscrubber_skip (does it want ikiwiki-readable paths since doc/ is the index, or not?)
15:03 < kanzure> i'm editing via a browser (for the preview capability)
15:03 < kanzure> no i didn't rebuild the cgi
15:03 < kanzure> how do i do thsi
15:03 < kanzure> this
15:06 < jrayhawk> Well, because Piny is managing everything, you probably want to add stuff to /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup.pl and rebuildrepo skdb rather than editing /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup and running sudo -u skdb-ikiwiki ikiwiki --setup /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup --rebuild
15:07 < jrayhawk> You probably want to add htmlscrubber to the list of disabled plugins.
15:08 < jrayhawk> Are you familiar enough with Data Dumper and Perl data structures to do that?
15:09 < kanzure> i don't want to disable htmlscrubber entirely, just for the specific page (i don't know what page this is since it's not even committed in the repository)
15:09 < kanzure> yes i'm perl-compliant
15:10 < jrayhawk> good, 'cause I hate working out what terrible combination of sigils accomplish what I want.
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15:13 < kanzure> "This is the basis of Eugen's opposition to Friendly AI -- he sees it as a dictatorship that any one being should have so much responsibility."
15:13 < kanzure> "Our position, on the other hand, is that one being will likely end up with a lot of responsibility whether or not we want it, and to maximize the probability of a favorable outcome, we should aim for a nice agent. "
15:13 < kanzure> who uploaded adolf hitler, god damnit! we asked you not to do that!
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15:22 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i think something is broken.
15:22 < kanzure> rebuildrepo skdb -> replaced /srv/git/skdb.git/hooks/post-update; doesn't use doc/ as the ikiwiki root anymore, etc.
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15:25 < kanzure> oh that's right, you're not using post-update any more, so that one is ok
15:25 < kanzure> but ikiwiki root for skdb.git no longer shows up in skdb.setup
15:28 < kanzure> hrm if you're not using post-update-ikiwiki then why does skdb.setup.pl say so?
15:28 < kanzure> ikiwiki ignores that anyway.
15:28 < kanzure> yeah this is just broken.
16:02 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what's going onnn
16:19 < kanzure> ah. syntax error.
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16:51 < Lukas__> Hail
16:54 < kanzure> hello Lukas__
16:55 < Lukas__> Is there anything important that I missed?
16:55 < kanzure> fenn: http://gnusha.org/skdb/
16:57 < jrayhawk> uh. hmm. that should've succeeded in sending something to gnusha. What was the error message?
16:58 < jrayhawk> oh, right post-update got replaced
16:59 < jrayhawk> but it's post receive that matters..
17:00 < kanzure> error message was something about sockets
17:00 < kanzure> same one as before..
17:00 < kanzure> also i closed the shell with the last error message so i can't copy/paste that one to you
17:02 < gnusha> test
17:02 < jrayhawk> ah, i am dumb. okay.
17:02 < kanzure> test test
17:03 < gnusha> DON'T PATRONIZE ME
17:05 < QuantumG> TEST
17:05 < QuantumG> check 1 check 1 2
17:05 < gnusha> I'VE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH YOU GUYS
17:05 < kanzure> noo don't make our bot leeeeave
17:05 < QuantumG> you better check yourself before you wreck yourself
17:06 < jrayhawk> IRC feels far more satisfying when it involves individual invocations of socat.
17:09 < kanzure> jrayhawk: if you like raphaeljs you might also like three.js, spidergl.org, processingjs.org, moofx.mad4milk.net, plotkit.js, bluff.jcoglan.com, protovis, mochikit
17:38 < kanzure> the prospects for lunar mining http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/17/2344231
17:41 < QuantumG> the comments are depressing
17:41 < QuantumG> btw VBN 780
17:41 < QuantumG> grr
17:42 < QuantumG> btw http://www.scirp.org/fileOperation/downLoad.aspx?path=Psych.20090100004_39584049.pdf&type=journal
17:42 < kanzure> what is it? (besides a horrible link)
17:43 < QuantumG> my summary: everyone overestimates their competency, except the highly competent - who underestimate their competency, or overestimate everyone else's.  And people who are the least competent are incapable of even telling competent work from their own.
17:44 < kanzure> i wonder how hard it would be to stop the planet from rotating
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17:45 < QuantumG> Stephen Baxter proposed a process that would work on Earth.. as part of his story where the same was done to Venus billions of years ago.
17:46 < QuantumG> basically a big motor in the magnetic field
17:48 < kanzure> the dark side would probably get very cold- dunno how good the atmosphere is at heat insulation
17:49 < kanzure> heh i'm trying to show a friend that the planet's rotation (day/night cycling) isn't what keeps the planet at a livable temperature
17:51 < QuantumG> it's certainly a factor
17:51 < kanzure> lol that's like saying the moon is cold because it has the wrong rate of rotation
17:52 < QuantumG> the Moon is both hot and cold (by any sensible definitions of those words)
17:52 < kanzure> *the moon has a cold side
17:53 < QuantumG> at any given point
17:53 < kanzure> yes the one presently exposed to the sun tends to be warmer :)
17:53 < kanzure> "the one" w/e
17:56 < QuantumG> the temperature of the Earth is predominately maintained by calcium deposits and plant life
17:59 < QuantumG> the distance from the sun has to be right to get the calcium deposits (too far from Sun and they boil off at planet formation time), and rotation has to be right to make the environment benign enough for life to develop.
17:59 < QuantumG> a magnetic field helps with the life development a lot too.. keeps a lot of volatiles from boiling off
18:01 < joshcryer> Yeah those comments on the /. article are retarded.
18:04 < joshcryer> Why do we want to stop the planet from rotating?
18:06 < QuantumG> so you can get off
18:10 < kanzure> also it's diabolical
18:10 < kanzure> slightly more awesome than draining the gulf of mexico, annexing antarctica, nuking canada, etc.
18:14 < joshcryer> It's easier to get off with it rotating. :(
18:21 < kanzure> not quite as good as gephi but it's javascript, and does graph visualization http://arborjs.org/
18:33 < kanzure> http://blog.ponoko.com/2010/11/16/ten-rules-for-maker-businesses-by-wireds-chris-anderson-%E2%80%94-rule-1/
18:33 < kanzure> "maker businesses" ?
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19:02 < jrayhawk> Do clouds reflect or absorb UV?
19:03 < fenn> neither/both they scatter it
19:03 < kanzure> "Bulgaria. The participation rate for women in these fields is slightly higher than for men: 7.8 percent of the female college-age cohort obtained an NS&E degree in Bulgaria in 1992; 7.2 percent of males in this age group obtained such a degree in that same year."
19:03 < kanzure> "In 1992, women obtained 57 percent of all university degrees. In addition, they obtained half of the engineering degrees, 70 percent of the natural science degrees, and 73 percent of the mathematics and computer science degrees. These percentages have not changed since 1975 (Stretenova, 1994)."
19:03 < kanzure> via http://anitaborg.org/files/womenhightechworld.pdf
19:03 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2111755
19:06 < jrayhawk> So does water vaporization dampen or amplify UV energy absorbtion of the earth as a whole?
19:11 < jrayhawk> I guess there's a distinction to be drawn between vaporized water and clouds; both absorb IR on its way out, but only one seems to do significant scattering
19:12 < jrayhawk> of UV coming in
19:41 < kanzure> http://www.scivee.tv/node/17535 Ed Boyden: Optically Engineering the Brain to Augment Its Function
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19:50 < fenn> clouds reduce the amount of UV coming in
19:59 < CryptoQuick> so does the ozone :V
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20:47 < kanzure> annnd we're back http://diyhpl.us:9000/random
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20:54 < JayDugger> de-lurk
20:55 < JayDugger> Now this (http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=8466) is why I want skdb: a dream home with a three-vehicle hangar.
20:55 < JayDugger> lurk
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20:56 < kanzure> JayDugger: you missed http://gnusha.org/skdb/
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21:42 < kanzure> so, i'm doing a rough draft of theuncertainfuture.com done in javascript
21:42 < kanzure> right now in the java version a user clicks and then the graph is updated, and disregards your mouse movements while your mouse is clicked/down
21:43 < kanzure> is that desirable behavior, or would graphs that update as you drag your mouse around be more desirable?
21:59 < jrayhawk> Is this for moving around the viewport?
22:06 < kanzure> no, for manipulating the curves
22:07 < kanzure> i'd tell you to just look at the site but it requires java and nobody should be subjected to that
22:07 < jrayhawk> I'm willing to run it manually if there's a convenient means of doing so.
22:08 < jrayhawk> press-to-drag release-to-release is more whiz-bang but otherwise not particularly less functional.
22:08 < kanzure> jrayhawk: gnusha:/srv/git/uncertainfuture.git check out web/
22:08 < kanzure> there's a few .jar files
22:08 < kanzure> if only i could remember how to manually run java jars
22:08 < jrayhawk> -jar, but I don't really know how to invoke multiple
22:08 < kanzure> javac to compile.. jnlps are for "java webstart"
22:10 < kanzure> ? java -jar /usr/share/java/netx.jar -jnlp
22:10 < kanzure> cool that worked
22:11 < kanzure> java -jar /usr/share/java/netx.jar -jnlp web/UfApplet.jnlp
22:12 < kanzure> this should do it too: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javaws web/UfApplet.jnlp
22:13 < kanzure> try out tab Q3
22:15 < kanzure> see how you have to click a lot? the alternative i'm thinking of is more like http://raphaeljs.com/ichart.html
22:29 < kanzure> holy crap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramstein_airshow_disaster
22:56 < kanzure> what's with all the random merges? http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/log/
22:58 < jrayhawk> ugh, ikiwiki probably broke
22:59 < jrayhawk> 10 days ago, huh? i wonder who caused that
23:00 < kanzure> how is there no commit history on this file? https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/log/index.mdwn
23:01 < kanzure> this commit/merge is huge da5ab4f1260637998f02e3bdc417a4ed20177ff7
23:01 < jrayhawk> because it's under doc/, and I guess we need to change the setup to point at it
23:03 < kanzure> ack i didn't even notice these spurious merges in my local repo
23:03  * kanzure sleeps (or at least pretends to try to sleep)
23:05 < kanzure> ah, you're right about it being under doc/ - i was prolly using a "History" link from gnusha.org/skdb/
23:13 < jrayhawk> I probably fixed that.
23:13 < kanzure> should i clean up the spurious merges or do you want to
23:13 < jrayhawk> Do they matter?
23:13 < kanzure> it doesn't look like they are useful
23:13 < kanzure> unless you can posit some reason for their existence
23:14 < kanzure> wait wait, i'm sleeping >:o
23:17 < jrayhawk> Eh, I don't really see need to care about them. Getting properly rid of them will be troublesome, though, since rebuildrepo doesn't do anything significant to the clone ikiwiki leaves lying around.
23:21 < jrayhawk> I guess you've never really had any sort of fear of digging yourself deeper, so what the hell, go wild.
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