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01:25 < Matvey> Good morning
01:37 < Utopiah> (too bad that open journal system dont provide RSS by default :(
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04:51 < Lukas_> Good morning
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06:36 < Lukas_> Good morning
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07:23 < kanzure> subject: Invitation to expert workshop on the future of open fabrication (Institute for the Future)
07:23 < kanzure> "Dear Bryan,
07:23 < kanzure> I am writing to invite you to participate in a day-long expert workshop on the future of open fabrication, being held at Institute for the Future in Palo Alto, CA. The workshop will take place on March 1, 2011, and your input will shape a major forecast study. I discovered your work through the Google Open Manufacturing group. I think you bring a great perspective as a young leader in this field."
07:23 < kanzure> people listed: fraunfelder, jon phillips, david brin (what the fuck?), bunnie huang, tom igoe, bre pettis, eric wilhelm, jeff kowalski (autodesk jeff??), terry whollers
07:34 < Lukas_> http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2011/01/12/google-attempts-real-time-and-audible-translation
07:34 < Lukas_> hello Kanzure
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09:10 < Lukas_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKBjt5z_EcY
09:17 < Lukas_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQEHtvNsfKE&NR=1
09:17 < kanzure> what are these?
09:23 < kanzure> lightbulb pcr machine
09:23 < kanzure> http://www.russelldurrett.com/lightbulbpcr.html
09:23 < kanzure> also with video http://vimeo.com/18827627
09:26 < Lukas_> An interesting user interface that uses physical gestures to do things like take pictures or find information on an object (book, landmark, etc.) or person
09:26 < Lukas_> the inventor says he wants to make it open source
09:26 < Lukas_> Pranav Mistry is his name
09:27 < Lukas_> http://www.pranavmistry.com/
09:27 < Lukas_> and he has a website
09:29 < Lukas_> Interesting, thanks for the video Kanzure
09:38 < kanzure> http://biohack.me/
09:38 < kanzure> looks like it was registered 10 days ago.. meh
09:38 < kanzure> https://github.com/elginer/selfmodifier.org-portal/
09:41 < Lukas_> Kanzure, do you know what biohack.me is about?
09:42 < Lukas_> What do they do?  (or plan to do)
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09:45 < archels> http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/01/20/1546206/Polynomial-Time-Code-For-3-SAT-Released-PNP
09:50 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what's a good irc bot for bridging two channels?
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10:07 < Lukas_> I have some reservations about Biohack.me - I'm afraid they may unnecessarily hurt themselves
10:08 < kanzure> i think they will do fine.
10:09 < Lukas_> If they plan out their projects properly they will
10:14 < kanzure> irc.wutnet.net #biohack
10:17 < Lukas_> We're the only two there  :D
10:17 < kanzure> what?
10:17 < kanzure> Lukas_: wrong network bro.. i said irc.wutnet.net not irc.freenode.net
10:18 < Lukas_> *facepalm*
10:20 < kanzure> :P
10:20 < kanzure> archels: you're my bro too.
10:20 < kanzure> don't feel left out
10:21 < Utopiah> supybot can bridge channels over different networks but AFAIK they have to have the same name by default (sources available though)
10:22 < kanzure> that's an odd condition.
10:24 < Utopiah> http://ubottu.com/stdin/supydocs/plugins/Relay.html
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10:35 < kanzure> hi lichen! welcome to the fold
10:35 < lichen> hello
10:35 < Lukas_> Hello Lichen
10:35 < lichen> i'll probably still keep #biohack up for the biohack.me magnet/southpaw people
10:35 < lichen> but i'll be here too
10:35 < kanzure> is there any particular reason biohack.me created yet another site for this?
10:36 < lichen> idk
10:36 < lichen> imo that's not a bad thing
10:37 < lichen> it means that the community/field is growing
10:37 < kanzure> 'course
10:37 < Lukas_> true
10:38 < Lukas_> Are you guys working on any projects?
10:38 < kanzure> southpaw/magnets
10:38 < lichen> that community is mostly focused on magnet implants and southpaw stuff
10:38 < lichen> lepht's shit basically
10:38 < kanzure> lichen: here was my public response to the wired article:
10:38 < kanzure> http://exi-chat.blogspot.com/2011/01/exi-transcending-human-diy-style.html
10:38 < kanzure> lepht is more of a liability imho
10:38 < lichen> i dont think i ever saw the wired article
10:38 < kanzure> tons of people do these implants.. it's not new
10:38 < lichen> saw the 27c3 vids through grinding.be
10:39 < kanzure> lichen: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/transcending-the-human-diy-style/
10:39 < kanzure> basically it was a massive troll against diy transhumanism
10:39 < lichen> i wouldnt really call shoving a manget in your finger transhumanism, although i plan on pursuing it myself
10:40 < lichen> magnet*
10:40 < kanzure> i know transhumanists who have done it
10:40 < kanzure> i think it is related, but definitely more about grinding/bodymods
10:40 < lichen> yes
10:40 < lichen> lepht isnt flying under the transhumanist banner
10:41 < kanzure> that's not what the article made it seem like :P
10:41 < lichen> and biohack.me is more a grinding/piercing site
10:41 < lichen> yeah, that's because it's wired :P
10:41 < kanzure> heh
10:41 < kanzure> lichen: did you read the backlog in #biohack?
10:41 < lichen> yeah, enough to glean this channel out
10:42 < kanzure> oh right
10:42 < lichen> plenty of links i havent checked
10:42 < kanzure> are you a linux user?
10:42 < lichen> if necessary for what i'm working on
10:42 < lichen> for desktop use i stick to windows
10:43 < kanzure> one of the projects in here is skdb or 'apt-get for hardware'
10:43 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/skdb
10:43 < lichen> neat
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10:45 < Lukas_> Lichen
10:46 < lichen> yeah?
10:46 < Lukas_> I keep getting " It works!  This is the default web page for this server.  The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet." when trying to access your irc channel
10:46 < lichen> uh
10:46 < kanzure> Lukas_: you're not using a real irc client
10:46 < lichen> why are you going html?
10:46 < kanzure> lichen: he's using webchat.freenode.net
10:46 < lichen> yeah just connect to irc.wutnet.net
10:47 < kanzure> lichen: he doesn't know how
10:47 < lichen> oh, well, if you get a different client we can walk you through
10:47  * kanzure goes away for a few minutes
10:47 < lichen> i'm not sure about that one
10:47 < lichen> web clients are always terrible
10:48 < Lukas_> okay, so how /where do I start?
10:49 < lichen> well what OS are you running
10:49 < lichen> that will limit what clients you can use
10:49 < lichen> although xchat is cross-platform
10:49 < lichen> i'm using that
10:51 < lichen> it's a pretty straight-forward program to use, but if you have trouble i can try to help
10:53 < Lukas_> My OS is windows 7
10:53 < lichen> well there's xchat, mirc, irssi, among many, many other clients
10:53 < Lukas_> I am downloading xchat
10:53 < lichen> ok
10:56 < Lukas_> downloaded
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11:00 < Lucas_> Hello
11:00 < lichen> hi
11:01 < Lucas_> That was embarrassingly easy
11:03 < lichen> well, now you can connect to other networks the same way you set up this one
11:03 < Lucas_> So you guys are at wutnet?
11:04 < lichen> i set up #biohack there
11:04 < lichen> its not very big, but yeah
11:04 < Lucas_> no problem
11:04 < Lucas_> I know how it is
11:04 < Lucas_> :D
11:04 < lichen> pretty big for the community springing up like a week ago
11:05 < Lucas_> is it spelled WutNet?
11:05 < lichen> irc.wutnet.net
11:05 < Lucas_> thanks
11:05 < lichen> case never matters
11:06 < Lucas_> alright
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11:14 < lichen> having trouble?
11:16 < Lucas_> yea ...  <_<
11:16 < lichen> network list
11:16 < Lukas_> Everything seems to be working fine
11:16 < lichen> add new network
11:16 < Lukas_> yup
11:16 < lichen> put in the info
11:16 < lichen> connect from the network list
11:16 < Lukas_> that is what I did
11:16 < lichen> well, clearly something went wrong
11:17 < Lucas_> yup - I am trying to figure out where I screwed up
11:21 < lichen> do you even have another network listed in the sidebar?
11:21 < Lucas_> Yes, a bunch (which is how I got to FreeNode)
11:22 < lichen> a bunch?
11:22 < lichen> no, not in the network list
11:22 < lichen> in the client window
11:22 < Lucas_> I added a new network (irc.wutnet.net)
11:22 < lichen> ok
11:22 < lichen> did you just NAME it that
11:22 < lichen> or did you actually set the address to that
11:23 < lichen> adding the server irc.wutnet.net to the wutnet listing in the network list
11:26 < Lucas_> ... *facepalm*
11:32 < kanzure> lichen: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F
11:32 < kanzure> might be of entertainment value.
11:33 < lichen> lol
11:33 < lichen> just so it's known, i'm completely new to this stuff
11:33 < lichen> long interest in the field but never pursued any of it
11:33 < Lucas_> You're not the only new guy
11:34 < Lucas_> :D
11:39 < lichen> fff i havent eaten anything yet today
11:40 < lichen> afk
11:48 < kanzure> me either it turns out i have to eat every day??
11:49 < Lukas_> D:
11:49 < Lukas_> that is madness to the highest degree
11:51 < Lukas_> Kanzure, is there a reliable irc client that I can download?
11:51 < kanzure> i use irssi. xchat is generally considered good.
11:52 < Lukas_> I just went to the xchan forums to see if there are issues with adding servers, it turns out there is (which is good, because for a moment I thought all of my brain cells had expired)
11:57 < lichen> wait what
11:57 < lichen> you couldnt get in?
11:57 < lichen> thats really odd
12:01 < Lukas_> yup, I'm going to try again after I eat
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12:07 < Lukas_> anyway
12:07 < Lukas_> when did you start the group, lichen?
12:07 < lichen> the #biohack channel?
12:07 < lichen> uh, a week ago?
12:08 < lichen> i checked
12:08 < lichen> jan 15th
12:09 < Lukas_> How did you get such a sizable following?
12:09 < lichen> sizable?
12:09 < kanzure> haha wtf
12:09 < lichen> there's 8 people in there
12:10 < lichen> and they're not a following
12:10 < lichen> i just made it for biohack.me's community to talk
12:10 < lichen> because i dont like conversing through a forum format
12:10 < lichen> its hard to get to know people that way
12:10 < lichen> and have fluid conversation
12:10 < Lukas_> xD
12:11 < Lukas_> forgot the quotations
12:11 < lichen> i'm not even close to any sort of 'leader' role, i just maintain an irc channel, lol
12:11 < Lukas_> 'sizable'
12:11 < Lukas_> anyway, a friend of mine and I have been trying to do the same thing
12:11 < kanzure> ?
12:11 < lichen> to do what
12:12 < kanzure> Lukas_: have you got involved with genspace.org yet?
12:12 < Lukas_> just a community where people can get together and talk about project - kanzure already knows about it, but all it's amounted to is a crappy forum
12:12 < kanzure> what is it with you people and forums
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12:13 < Lukas_> they are for newbs
12:13 < lichen> i prefer irc/email/blogs myself
12:13 < lichen> for chatting, messaging, and posting
12:13 < kanzure> everyone who comes on to a mailing list always wants to convert the entire email list over to a forum
12:13 < Lukas_> I am very new to irc and blogs
12:14 < kanzure> because forums are better than email (they probably are, for archiving)
12:14 < Lukas_> yup
12:14 < kanzure> (in terms of nobody having to remember to configure the email to show up on the web somewhere)
12:14 < Lukas_> actually, before this, I'd never used an IRC before
12:14 < lichen> i started using irc only a couple years ago
12:15 < lichen> started out with chatzilla (oh god)
12:15 < Lukas_> xD
12:15 < kanzure> maybe Lukas_ would find chatzilla easier to use
12:15 < Lukas_> bad memories?
12:15 < lichen> chatzilla is shit
12:15 < lichen> cant even connect to more than network if i remember correctly
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12:15 < kanzure> lichen: yes but it seems users find it easy to use *shrug*
12:15 < lichen> no they just want one less program
12:16 < Lukas_> I've got to start somewhere
12:16 < Lukas_> :D
12:16 < lichen> go grab mIRC
12:16 < lichen> its as easy to use as xchat
12:16 < lichen> i still dont understand how you didnt get xchat working
12:20 < Lukas_> I assume it's free, correct?
12:20 < lichen> free enough
12:20 < lichen> i think there's a nag screen
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13:44 < kanzure> hi timschmidt
13:44 < kanzure> timschmidt: http://gnusha.org/skdb/
13:44 < kanzure> timschmidt: skdb-get.py in skdb/clients/ now works again..
13:44 < kanzure> so let's get cracken?
13:46 < kanzure> here's one of hte packages: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lego.git
13:46 < kanzure> oops
13:46 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lego
13:46 < kanzure> git://packages.gnusha.org/lego.git
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14:01 < kanzure> timschmidt: did you put your stl2web changes somewhere?
14:03 < Utopiah> worm control, Stephen Colbert, optogenetic http://colbert.physics.harvard.edu
14:03 < kanzure> ooh.. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v469/n7330/full/nature09647.html
14:03 < kanzure> X-ray structures of general anaesthetics bound to a pentameric ligand-gated ion channel
14:04 < kanzure> pdf: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/neuro/X-ray%20structures%20of%20general%20anaesthetics%20bound%20to%20a%20pentameric%20ligand-gated%20ion%20channel.pdf
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14:20 < kanzure> A Rapid, Simple and Inexpensive Experiment in Gel Filtration Chromatography http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/bio/protein-purification/A%20Rapid,%20Simple%20and%20Inexpensive%20Experiment%20in%20Gel%20Filtration%20Chromatography.pdf
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14:54 < jebba> kanzure, what about really using yum/apt for skdb?  For instance a bolt.spec would have the overview, license, description, etc.  The the package is just basically the various files, which is freeform (e.g. perhaps jpgs, .stl, .txt, etc.).    Then you can put all the dependenices in the package itself, `yum install mendel-prusa` and it grabs all the various .rpms/.debs.   Such packages can also be installed as non-root if needed.
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15:15 < jrayhawk> The dependency resolution is not really powerful enough; you'd eventually want things like dynamicly weighted costs to different sets of dependencies
15:18 < jrayhawk> i.e. I have a box of screws, and I also have a CNC machine and steel that could make screws, and I also have a reprap that could make terrible plastic screws, but these things have a different level of cost and effectiveness
15:21 < jrayhawk> so you need weighting for time costs versus monetary costs versus part lifetime, etc.
15:23 < jrayhawk> and aptitude isn't really a particularly good interface for modifying the dependency resolution, though I guess they'd probably be open to that.
15:38 < jebba> ay
15:58 < AlonzoTG1> I have a rough-stock lovejoy coupler that I need cut with a spline to match the input shaft on my transmission.
15:58 < AlonzoTG1> But that has nothing whatsoever to do with transhumanism. =P
16:00 < QuantumG> that lovejoy coupler must get you a lot of *rev*s from your transmission.
16:00 < AlonzoTG1> Yeah, it's rated at 7,100
16:00 < AlonzoTG1> But lovejoy absolutely refuses to do business with ppl building electric cars,
16:00 < AlonzoTG1> so I had to get it from the black market.
16:00 < AlonzoTG1> I do not know whether it will actually work,
16:01 < AlonzoTG1> but I probably won't get killed from trying, even though they're insane about libility issues.
16:01 < AlonzoTG1> er liability
16:01 < AlonzoTG1> I bought it because it looks like the perfect solution,
16:01 < AlonzoTG1> even though I have concerns about it being made from aluminium.
16:01 < QuantumG> acknowledge my Simpsons reference
16:02 < AlonzoTG1> I haven't watched the Simpsons in decades.
16:02 < AlonzoTG1> =|
16:02 < QuantumG> get out
16:02 < AlonzoTG1> I don't even have cable.
16:03 < AlonzoTG1> Are the simpsons transhumanist?
16:03 < AlonzoTG1> =P
16:03 < QuantumG> sure, why not
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17:48 < kanzure> jebba: heh, nice hack, and what jrayhawk said.
17:50 < kanzure> i do feel bad that skdb-get.py isn't exactly high quality code..
17:51 < kanzure> especially since it presently implements *less* than what dpkg can provide
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18:09 < delinquentme> siigggghh
18:09 < delinquentme> i wish mating wasnt such a bloodsport
18:09 < Lukas_> ?
18:09 < delinquentme> true story.
18:09 < Lukas_> XD
18:09 < Lukas_> story time?
18:10 < delinquentme> i just told this poor girl form OK
18:10 < delinquentme> OKC**
18:10 < delinquentme> shes like 19
18:10 < delinquentme> ( shes orange )
18:10 < delinquentme> like oompaloompa
18:10 < Lukas_> XD
18:10 < delinquentme> so shes sad mad etc.. after all the awful thing i said
18:10 < delinquentme> and im like "you're tough "
18:10 < delinquentme> like your skin at 30
18:11 < delinquentme> just not nice haha
18:11 < Lukas_> Dude, that is terrible XD
18:11 < delinquentme> haha its pretty bad
18:11 < Lukas_> But the truth is the truth, no?
18:12 < delinquentme> but the opposite of LOVe is indifference
18:12 < delinquentme> NOT hatred
18:12 < delinquentme> so haha
18:12 < delinquentme> if she hates me .. @ least im associated with a very strong emotion
18:12 < QuantumG> http://twitter.com/#!/NanoSailD  30 mins to go
18:12 < delinquentme> TRIGGERS baby
18:12 < delinquentme> whaaatt!
18:12 < delinquentme> is this en laungh QuantumG
18:12 < delinquentme> ?
18:13 < kanzure> delinquentme: are you smoking pot
18:13 < delinquentme> not atm.
18:13 < delinquentme> not reason to celebrate
18:13 < QuantumG> could you rephrase that as an english sentence?  or better yet, STFU
18:13 < delinquentme> its a special occasion type thing
18:13 < delinquentme> :D
18:13  * delinquentme HUGS QuantumG 
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18:18 < Lukas_> XD
18:18 <@kanzure> "glue guns and biohacking, or it's acceptable to own an autoclave kthnxbai" http://catchingstars.net/index.php/2011/01/biohacking
18:21 < Lukas_> 'I want to get on board with the idea that that there will be more Steve Haworths out there doing this in a sterile environment, and more people fascinated with enhancing themselves getting implants. That's what should drive the cost down and make it easier for mods to be done in areas where the laws on modifications are tricky, not someone playing fast and loose in their kitchen.'
18:21 <@kanzure> "playing fast and loose" is fine
18:22 < Lukas_> ?
18:22 <@kanzure> "fast and loose" does not necessarily mean "stupid"
18:22 < Lukas_> fair enough
18:29 < QuantumG> 'especially women
18:29 < Lukas_> XD
18:29 < delinquentme> pornstars?
18:31 < Lukas_> XD
18:31 < Lukas_> are you guys drinking or something?
18:31 < delinquentme> haha coding
18:31 < jebba> kanzure would be cool to tie in skdb to http://frontaccounting.com/   then you could pull in parts, order them, account for them, manufacture many with a bit of organization, etc....
18:31 <@kanzure> jebba: or via http://octopart.com/
18:31 <@kanzure> i committed an octopart api interface actually
18:32 <@kanzure> but it's not functional / not interfaced into skdb-get
18:32 <@kanzure> jebba: http://www.arenasolutions.com/
18:32 < jebba> yes, octopart is cool too. But serves a different purpose than frontaccounting, which is an accounting package. It has inventories, manufacturing processes etc built into it.
18:33 <@kanzure> yeah check out arenasolutions.com instead
18:33 <@kanzure> this is quickly entering the small-time pdm/plm market
18:33 < jebba> meh, not free software
18:33 <@kanzure> frontaccounting is?
18:33 < jebba> yes.
18:33 < jebba> i run my own installation.
18:34 < jebba> gplv3 iirc
18:34 <@kanzure> it looks like a basic web app.. what's their data model?
18:34 < jebba> php/mysql
18:34 <@kanzure> haha ok
18:34 <@kanzure> so.. they just make lots of tables, and users enter it via the web interface?
18:34 < jebba> ya, which is pretty much accounting.
18:34 < jebba> just lots of SQL records.
18:35 <@kanzure> also, i should distinguish between shop management (frontaccounting) versus plm/pdm stuff (product development and lifecycle)
18:36 <@kanzure> shop management is probably more relevant in this conversation
18:36 < jebba> hmm, unfortunately their screenshots dont have the manufacturing screens (and mine are empty data)
18:36 <@kanzure> heh
18:37 <@kanzure> so, i would really like to have hackerspaces running on linux
18:37 <@kanzure> cat myparts.bom >> /dev/part-vending-machine
18:37 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/shelltrance/blob/master/shelltrance.txt
18:38 < jebba> in my case, i'm bootstrapping production of repraps & similar. We'll only use free software and such throughout.
18:38 <@kanzure> neat.
18:38 <@kanzure> are you packing boxes, or doing assembly?
18:38 < jebba> lol
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18:39 < jebba> for now just gathering other ones and assembling them!  But are starting process of sourcing material for kits, and will build out
18:40 <@kanzure> jebba: a random web app i wrote once was called project projector
18:40 <@kanzure> it distributed instructions to multiple people over sms
18:40 <@kanzure> so you could write programs involving multiple free-moving agents across a city or even in a buildin
18:40 < jebba> My first assembler/builder is coming by tomorrow.  I'm working with Kai Staats (formerly Yellow Dog Linux etc) on getting production bootstrapped.
18:41 <@kanzure> i was thinking of using this for assembly of.. things.. but in reality, you just need to (1) generate the assembly plan / instructions for each user only once, and then (2) just make sure each user knows their specific task; it's not a super dynamic thing
18:41 < jebba> hah, rad.
18:41 <@kanzure> *building
18:42 < jebba> i'll /msg info for logging in to check out frontaccounting
18:42 <@kanzure> oh cool. thanks
18:43 < QuantumG> http://twitter.com/#!/NanoSailD 10 mins
18:43 < jebba> send
18:43  * jebba sent
18:44 <@kanzure> jebba: i didn't get the pm.. did you mean an email?
18:44 < jebba> ah, i did an old kanzure_  1 sec
18:45 < jebba> ok good
18:45 <@kanzure> jebba: so you do manual inventory typeups?
18:46 < jebba> well, so far none have been done
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18:47 < jebba> so they could be done manually or a SQL dump, i suppose.
18:47 < jebba> Check Manufacturing and Items and Inventory tabs
18:48 < jebba> But ya, presumably someone just do some manual data entry for the BoMs and such.
18:48 <@kanzure> btw i definitely want to make a 'basecamp for manufacturing' at some point in the near future
18:49 <@kanzure> this is definitely close.. it seems to have a comprehensive understanding of what needs to be present
18:49 <@kanzure> how's the integration? like do you have to manually mess with mysql to dump new types of data or anything
18:49 < jebba> and is free software. Very responsive forums too.
18:49 <@kanzure> lots of users?
18:50 < jebba> Well, healthy forums is a good sign.
18:50 < jebba> including the devs
18:50 < jebba> Well, I suppose what it is your dumping. I havent seen much for import/export via the GUI (except their easy backup page).
18:51 <@kanzure> do they host instances of this for you or do you have to deploy on your own?
18:51 < jebba> Though getting data in/out of mysql is about as easy as it gets.  I'm not so sure how great their TABLE design and such is. I havent looked closely (and honestly cant remember enough to even properly evaluate it, heh)
18:51 <@kanzure> i agree with you about mysql.. i used to do tons of php app development
18:51 < jebba> They may do hosted instances as part of their business model, but I don't know. I just put it on lenny.
18:52 <@kanzure> have you ever used basecamp?
18:52 < jebba> no, but have seen it in passing
18:52 <@kanzure> hosted instances of project management is basically the business model for 37signals
18:52 <@kanzure> so 'basecamp for manufacturing' is an obvious thing that needs to happen.. :P
18:52 < jebba> Do they distribute the code to the project management software?
18:53 <@kanzure> no
18:53 <@kanzure> they are evil
18:53 < jebba> ah, then they are meaningless to me  ;)
18:53 < jebba> i was actually thinking barcamp when you mentioned it too, i think  (!)
18:53 <@kanzure> namespace conflict
18:54 <@kanzure> yeah i still have trouble comprehending the sheer weirdness of companies that pay $100,000+ for installing software like this
18:55 <@kanzure> i'm sure it happens... but wow.
18:55 < jebba> Basically this is the smallest piece: https://accounting.alephobjects.com/inventory/manage/items.php?
18:55 <@kanzure> lol what's an 'item'?
18:55 < jebba> well, i thought i was going to have to have a bunch of it written. I was damn happy to come across the app...
18:55 < jebba> I would assume that would be a screw etc
18:56 < jebba> then I think kits get made out of items: https://accounting.alephobjects.com/inventory/manage/sales_kits.php?
18:57 < jebba> https://accounting.alephobjects.com/manufacturing/manage/bom_edit.php?    but that needs items first (e.g. need to create a screw entry before you can create a BOM)
18:58 <@kanzure> yeah being able to dump skdb packages into it would be nice.. especially if it could allocate resources, read inventories, etc.
18:58 <@kanzure> "need to hire 2 people to have this built within the 2 day window you requested"
18:58 <@kanzure> there's also a set of other apps that need to exist as well
18:58 <@kanzure> like basic management of cnc machines over a netwrok
19:06 < jebba> I keep getting "There are no manufactured or kit items defined in the system." though i thought i made a kit, hmm.
19:23 < jebba> wouldnt it be cool to apt-get a part and a fedex truck comes rushing towards you?
19:23 <@kanzure> yes
19:23 < jebba> frontaccounting can trigger reorders as well. The docs for this thing are like zero though.
19:24 <@kanzure> one idea is a premium kit packaging service.. an interesting alternative is automatic scrapers for filling out forms on supplier sites ;)
19:28 < Lukas_> 'night guys, take care
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20:50 <@kanzure> 3-D Printable Open Source Appropriate Technology Design Competition http://me.queensu.ca/sustainability/OSATContest.php
20:50 <@kanzure> aka w/ appropedia.org
20:51 <@kanzure> "Our goal is to facilitate an open exchange of 3-D designs that can be printed on a RepRap that meet human developmental needs, while introducing the Queen's community to this new exciting field."
20:51 <@kanzure> wtf they require thingiverse use
20:51 <@kanzure> J. M Pearce, C. Morris Blair, K. J. Laciak, R. Andrews, A. Nosrat and I. Zelenika-Zovko, “3-D Printing of Open Source Appropriate Technologies for Self-Directed Sustainable Development”, Journal of Sustainable Development 3(4), pp. 17-29 (2010). http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/jsd/article/view/6984
20:53 <@kanzure> oh boy piles of text! http://www.appropedia.org/DremelFuge
20:53 <@kanzure> :(
20:54 <@kanzure> http://www.appropedia.org/Open_source_3D_printer_literature_review
20:55 <@kanzure> huh? Alexandre Gillet, Micheal Sanner, Daniel Stoffler, David Goodsell, Arthur Olson, “Augmented Reality with Tangible Auto-Fabricated Models for Molecular Biology Applications”, IEEE Computer Society, Washington, DC, United States of America, 2004.
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21:19 < fenn> btw, speaking of goodsell, http://fennetic.net/irc/goodsell/
21:19 <@kanzure> universe just got smaller
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21:21 < fenn> maybe your head just got bigger :P
21:22 < kanzure> did you notice http://gnusha.org/skdb/
21:22 < kanzure> also i left some notes in the irc logs (yesterday?) for how to fix your local skdb.git.. sorry about the ikiwiki fuckup commits
21:23 < fenn> yes, thanks for making that page
21:23 < fenn> i havent pulled anything from skdb.git, ; can't you just fix it there?
21:23 < kanzure> i did fix it
21:23 < kanzure> check your copy.. i bet you have the spurious merges in there
21:23 < kanzure> the problems showed up between jan. 7 and jan 15ish
21:24 < kanzure> which was when we were pulling back and forth
21:28 < fenn> shapeways is not too expensive; this one was ~$10 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fennfoot/5310468940/
21:29 < kanzure> paint it paint it!
21:29 < fenn> having the thing in your hand it a lot more memorable than some ugly ribbon diagram on a screen
21:29 < kanzure> ribbon diagrams suck.. i use vmd and do a surface/energy plot
21:29 < fenn> nah, colors only make sense if your printing tech can do it
21:30 < kanzure> uh.. i'm not using the "full surface" mode in this screenshot, but you get the idea http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-12-20-1622-vmd-taq-polymerase.png
21:30 < kanzure> actually that's the worst possible example i could give you
21:30 < QuantumG> NanoSail-D has sent data that it deployed the sail.
21:31 < fenn> i dont see any surface at all
21:31 < kanzure> fenn: this http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/education_discussion/molecule_of_the_month/images/pol_active.gif
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21:31 < kanzure> sorry.. the screenshot is of the wrong mode. that image shows the mode i was thinking of.
21:32 < kanzure> get vmd at http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Development/Download/download.cgi
21:32 < kanzure> then run: vmd; pdbload POL1 or some other pdb id..
21:33 < kanzure> 1TAU was what i was looking at.
21:33 < kanzure> (switch "Drawing methods" to something other than "lines")
21:33 < kanzure> still, physical models are fun
21:38 < fenn> that was the most pathetic substitute for a screenshot ever
21:38 < kanzure> :cry:
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21:44 < kanzure> fenn: did we ever have a running "stuff that we need to package" list? there was something in skdb/doc/todo.txt but it's suspiciously short
21:56 < gnusha> 867960c make the readme less stale by updating the links it gives
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22:23 < kanzure> wut? https://github.com/samrose/cubespawn
22:24 < jebba> kanzure, heh. re: appropedia, I set up this in 2004:  http://www.appropedia.org/Appropriate_Technology_Wiki_Project
22:25 < kanzure> nice.
22:25 < kanzure> all this text makes me sad though
22:25 < kanzure> i don't have time to read through 7,000,000 patents
22:26 < jebba> cubespawn? the first commits are binaries to a git repo...
22:29 < kanzure> jebba: cubespawn is an 80/20 gridbeam project for standard frames for manufacturing processes or something
22:29 < kanzure> as for the text thing i mean appropedia- there's good content hidden on there; same with marcin jakubowski's openfarmtech wiki and global village construction set.. but again, these are just wikis
22:36 < AlonzoTG1> om
22:41 < kanzure> reprap.org wiki too..
22:43 < AlonzoTG1> I guess rep-rap is the future but it can't really do anything more than trinkets right now. =\
22:44 < kanzure> um.. what makes you say that
22:44 < AlonzoTG1> I want the rep-rap that can fab me a GF. =P
22:44 < jrayhawk> romance wasn't built in a day
22:45 < AlonzoTG1> I still need a spline cut.
22:46 < jebba> its own parts it prints are quite solid.
22:47 < AlonzoTG1> I also need a motor mount that can carry the weight of the motor in my electric car... and hold the drive shaft in place, it will have to be fairly large too to accomplish those tasks.
22:51 < jrayhawk> that sounds like a job for rubber and metal, rather than plastic
22:51 < jrayhawk> and some bearings
22:51 < AlonzoTG1> yep.
22:52 < AlonzoTG1> Eggzacktlie.
22:52 < kanzure> AlonzoTG1: then why not use the metal-printing repraps?
22:53 < AlonzoTG1> ????
22:53 < kanzure> it just seems like you're complaining just to complain :(
22:53 < AlonzoTG1> The motor weighs about 150 lbs...
22:54 < jrayhawk> http://reprap.org/wiki/SpoolHead huh, didn't know about that
22:55 < kanzure> yeah reprap has a lot of ridiculously obscure stuff going on
22:56  * kanzure is still wanting jmil to release his reprap + tissue printing work
22:56 < jrayhawk> oh, they're not actually welding. how silly.
22:57 < kanzure> yeah.. wrong reprap for welding. timschmidt which one was doing TIG?
23:01 < timschmidt> none, yet
23:04  * timschmidt was thinking of strapping his wire-fed flux core welder to a mendel just to get something started
23:04 < timschmidt> there's been a lot of talk in this area, but no real action
23:04 < jrayhawk> I guess plaster casting is a more satisfactory solution in most ways anyway
23:04 < jrayhawk> plaster and/or sand
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23:41 < jebba> gnite
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