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00:49 < joshcryer> timschmidt, what sort of control over the feed do you have?
00:49 < joshcryer> (the wire feed)
00:51 < timschmidt> Joshcryer: my super-cheap $99 harbor freight 60/90A welder has a pot which controls feed speed.  It could pretty easily be removed, and frobbed with a microcontroller.
00:51 < timschmidt> but IMHO, that's not necessary
00:52 < timschmidt> It's easier to adjust the speed at which the machine prints
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01:19 < timschmidt> https://github.com/timschmidt/stl2pov
01:21 < timschmidt> kanzure: ^
01:25 < timschmidt> it's terrible, it's ugly, it's horrid, but it produces .pov scripts that render.
01:25 < timschmidt> it's what I had time to do.
01:25  * timschmidt moves on
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07:37 < kanzure> jerry finally went and picked up his stuff.. http://jerryarutherford.blogspot.com/2011/01/jerry-and-ebos-most-excellent-adventure.html (it's a video)
07:37 < kanzure> took him three years to bother to pick up his machine shop, which is weird..
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07:40 < Lukas_> Good morning
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08:26 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
08:27 < Lukas_> Good morning
08:45 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/dremelfuge or skdb-get dremelfuge
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08:47 < kanzure> fenn: dremelfuge depends on 'eppie' (an eppendorf microcentrifuge tube)
08:47 < kanzure> cathal is calling it 'eppie' but imho it could just as easily be called "eppendorf-microcentrifuge"
08:48 < kanzure> or even 'microcentrifuge' (but that doesn't describe that it's modeled after the eppendorf tubes)
08:48 < kanzure> downside to saying eppendorf is that it's a company name and might not be a good idea overall..
08:48 < kanzure> OTOH keeping cathal's naming conventions is probably desirable
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08:51 < kanzure> i'll go with "eppie-microcentrifuge-tube" for now and someone can yell at me later
08:56 < delinquentme> kanzure, ooc .. how many hours of sleep a n ight du get?
08:56 < delinquentme> ehh night!
08:56 < kanzure> six
08:56 < delinquentme> consistently? or do you fluctuate?
08:57 < kanzure> sometimes i let myself sleep in :) that bumps it up to eight or nine
09:00 < delinquentme> haha yeah ive fallen to that too
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09:04 < kanzure> jrayhawk: piny 'bug' report.. this sort of situation would be preferable to not get into. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/piny-naming-ughhh
09:04 < JayDugger> If eppendorf's a dependency, I expect to also see kimwipe and kleenex as dependencies.
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09:05 < JayDugger> Huh?
09:05 < kanzure> jrayhawk: to use dremelfuge, you need microcentrifuge tubes
09:05 < kanzure> gah
09:05 < kanzure> JayDugger: to use dremelfuge, you need microcentrifuge tubes
09:05 < JayDugger> Why does groupadd create a user for each repository?
09:05 < kanzure> i don't think kleenex does centrifuge tubes
09:05 < JayDugger> Does ikiwiki normally do that?
09:06 < kanzure> yes this is so ikiwiki can compile its contents to html
09:06 < JayDugger> No, but I expect to need kleenex for the launching ceremony of the good ship "Good Riddance to Earth."
09:06 < JayDugger> I plan to weep tears of joy. ;)
09:06 < JayDugger> Every repository gets a user and a group?
09:07 < JayDugger> Okay...shows I've a lot to learn.
09:07 < kanzure> JayDugger: yes.. this is just piny's management system basically
09:07 < kanzure> so this lets me easily do createuser/adduser, then 'addaccess skdb jdugger' to give you push-over-ssh access to the git repo
09:08 < kanzure> which adds you to the git-skdb group
09:08 < JayDugger> I follow so far.
09:08 < kanzure> anyway the "bug" isn't really a bug- there's obviously a maximum length for group names, so if you have a repository with a name that is too long, you're fucked
09:09 < JayDugger> Okay.
09:09 < kanzure> jrayhawk should fix this. :P
09:09 < JayDugger> I follow that part.
09:09 < JayDugger> I still feel surprised that each repository is its own group.
09:09 < JayDugger> That makes some sense, I guess.
09:09 < JayDugger> All contributors to a particular project could belong to that project's group.
09:10 < kanzure> sort of.. in reality you usually just have one or two people for a particular repository
09:10 < JayDugger> Perhaps that's common in mechanical design teams.
09:10 < kanzure> and you pull from your developers.
09:10 < JayDugger> I imagine millions of groups in time...one for every package in skdb.
09:10 < JayDugger> That might be naive on my part.
09:10 < JayDugger> Yeah, few users per group, sensible.
09:14 < kanzure> "ikiwiki-eppie-microcentrifuge-tube" is 34 characters so my guess is group names are limited to 32 characters
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10:15 < Lukas_> Kanzure
10:15 < Lukas_> you around?
10:16 < kanzure> yes
10:17 < Lukas_> I am sure you know about the gene doping scare
10:17 < Lukas_> I can't find any solid information on it - like what vector they suspect these scientists are using
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10:30 < kanzure> Lukas_: huh? is this something in the news? or in general?
10:30 < Lukas_> In general
10:30 < kanzure> i don't recall any reported cases of gene doping in sports
10:32 < uniqanomaly_> Lukas_: what are you expecting? "here's how we conducted gene doping in xxx and won gold medal"?
10:32 < Lukas_> As I was typing the thought occurred to me
10:32 < Lukas_> -____-
10:33 < Lukas_> I am sure they busted someone
10:33 < Lukas_> gah
10:33 < Lukas_> never mind
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10:36 < uniqanomaly_> Lukas_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repoxygen here's something
10:37 < kanzure> here's when we last talked about repoxygen: http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-02-25.log
10:37 < Lukas_> thanks
10:37 < kanzure> 17:59 < kanzure> "Repoxygen is the tradename for a type of gene therapy that induces controlled release of erythropoietin (EPO) in response to low oxygen concentration. It is has been developed by Oxford Biomedica to treat anaemia. It has been developed in mice, is still in preclinical development and has not been extensively tested in humans."
10:38 < kanzure> 18:00 < kanzure> "The German track and field coach Thomas Springstein and Rashid Ramzi are currently suspected to have used Repoxygen."
10:38 < kanzure> Yoshimi M, Maeyama T, Yamada M, Hamada N, Fukumoto J, Kawaguchi T, Kuwano K, & Nakanishi Y. (2008). Recombinant human erythropoietin reduces epithelial cell apoptosis and attenuates bleomycin-induced pneumonitis in mice. Respirology 13(5). 639-645.
10:38 < kanzure> Percy MJ. (2008). Familial erythrocytosis arising from a gain-of-function mutation in the HIF2A gene of the oxygen sensing pathway. Ulster Medical Journal 77(2). 86-88.
10:39 < kanzure> here's the diybio thread about repoxygen:
10:39 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/43ac9f00719f3866
10:39 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/gene_doping_for_sports_enhancement.png
10:40 < Lukas_> Excellent
10:40 < Lukas_> thank you
10:41 < kanzure> Gene doping, a review of performance-enhancing genetics http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/Gene%20doping%20-%20a%20review%20of%20performance-enhancing%20genetics.pdf
10:43 < Lukas_> sweet
10:43 < Lukas_> thanks
10:49 < kanzure> braiiins http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/Regulation%20of%20cerebral%20cortical%20size%20by%20control%20of%20cell%20cycle%20exit%20in%20neural%20precursors.pdf.png
10:49 < Lukas_> XD
10:49 < Lukas_> 18:16 < QuantumG> so I'd love to have a nice list of techniques that have actually worked... maybe there's a list of people who have been busted?
10:51 < Lukas_> I agree with QuantumG - this could be an excellent source of income for the movement
10:52 < kanzure> yep. i was estimating my myostatin inhibitor project to be maybe $5k to $10k..
10:52 < JayDugger> Costs or profits, and what period did you have in mind?
10:52 < JayDugger> And did you budget for legal defense?
10:53 < kanzure> costs
10:53 < JayDugger> per year?
10:53 < kanzure> i don't need legal defense if i do things correctly
10:53 < JayDugger> Oh really?
10:53 < kanzure> JayDugger: total costs for BOM, equipment, materials
10:53 < JayDugger> One time set-up, got it.
10:54 < Lukas_> and if things work, we could start selling to the body modders  :P
10:55 < JayDugger> Seriously--how would you dodge the FDA and AMA with this myostatin inhibitor scheme?
10:55 < kanzure> by doing something that the FDA has no jurisdiction over
10:55 < Lukas_> Bingo
10:55 < kanzure> or working where the FDA has no jurisdiction.
10:56 < Lukas_> and I'm working on my Mandarin as a backup plan  :D
10:56 < JayDugger> I'll buy the latter.
10:56 < JayDugger> Your Mandarin?
10:57 < Lukas_> I started learning Mandarin a while back, I've decided to pick it back up as it looks like it will be a useful language
10:57 < Lukas_> Kanzure, give me a heads up when you start
10:57 < kanzure> i don't have the funding for that right now.
10:58 < Lukas_> ah
10:58 < JayDugger> Ah.
10:59 < Lukas_> hopefully sometime in the future you will
10:59 < Lukas_> I just hope the FDA or AMA doesn't start making noise about it until then
11:00 < kanzure> there were some plans floating around the diybio community to make an ad-hoc distributed citizen science replacement for the FDA
11:01 < kanzure> there's a lot of complicated chemical testing procedures that the FDA documents on its site,
11:01 < kanzure> some of them can be converted to easier/more sensible protocols that could be conducted on a budget,
11:01 < kanzure> especially for the food-testing-related protocols.
11:04 < Lukas_> really?  Interesting
11:04 < Lukas_> there will no doubt be a strong pushback from the FDA
11:05 < Lukas_> Is there anything specific that you can link me to?
11:05 < kanzure> why would there be a pushback to third-party testing ??
11:05 < kanzure> Lukas_: no. it was via some private emails to me and some others
11:07 < Lukas_> ah
11:07 < Lukas_> Give me a heads up when something is drafted
11:08 < Lukas_> unless what we are talking about is solely out of the FDA jurisdiction, they will resist third-party testing
11:08 < Lukas_> I am unsure of exactly how the law works regarding this
11:09 < kanzure> you're so confusing
11:09 < kanzure> why on earth would the law matter here?
11:10 < kanzure> for all the FDA cares, you could mash your food up with a pointy stick- and some people do.
11:10 < kanzure> so why would they possibly care if you were also doing food testing?
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11:11 < Lukas_> uhh .... misunderstanding -  '<kanzure> especially for the food-testing-related protocols.'  I read over that
11:11 < Lukas_> *uber facepalm*
11:11 < kanzure> k
11:13 < Lukas_> well, in that case, I see no issues with the idea
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12:05 < kanzure> hi phillyj
12:05 < phillyj> hi
12:05 < phillyj> just checking this out
12:05 < kanzure> lichen: are you still alive/better?
12:07 < lichen> i'm alive
12:07 < lichen> leave for work in 20 minutes
12:07 < kanzure> i do not know this word 'work'
12:09 < Lukas_> Hello Lichen
12:09 < lichen> hello
12:09 < lichen> watching your vid on biohack.me
12:11 < kanzure> lichen: if you're into videos, there's lots of transhumanist goodness here: http://diyhpl.us:9000/random
12:12 < lichen> ill add it to the list of shit i need to get through
12:13 < Lukas_> :D
12:13 < Lukas_> I really don't say much in my videos - it's more of a 'here is what's going on, ok, bye!'
12:14 < lichen> ya
12:14 < lichen> thats fine
12:16 < Lukas_> I am still new to the youtube thing
12:18 < lichen> ive never put any videos up online
12:18 < lichen> let alone of my face
12:19 < Lukas_> I am confident I'll never piss someone off enough to use my stupidity against me
12:19 < Lukas_> :P
12:19 < lichen> lol
12:19 < kanzure> this is lame and boring
12:20 < lichen> ?
12:20 < kanzure> can't we talk about something more exciting than 30sec youtube videos?
12:20 < Lukas_> -___________________________________________________-
12:21 < Lukas_> Thanks for the moral support
12:21 < kanzure> for videos?
12:22 < Lukas_> .. >_> .... <_< ... for
12:22 < Lukas_> um
12:22 < kanzure> i just don't think video is a good format for conveying information.. just write it down
12:22 < Lukas_> trying?
12:22 < kanzure> trying what
12:23 < Lukas_> Kanzure, if you haven't noticed, you're all over the internet, and you've probably written everything down already (slight exaggeration  :P)  The only community you haven't touched is youtube
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12:23 < kanzure> http://youtube.com/user/kanzure
12:24 < lichen> why are you giving lukas shit for making videos
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12:24 < kanzure> haha what? i'm not giving him shit
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12:25 < Lukas_> Okay, I was incorrect - you've gotten to youtube
12:25 < kanzure> Lukas_: i thought that was how you met me?
12:25 < Lukas_> I didn't know that was your channel
12:26 < Lukas_> I figured someone copied the video from somewhere else
12:26 < Lukas_> *facepalm*
12:26 < Lukas_> how many faceplams do you think I can rack up in one day?
12:27 < lichen> at least two standard deviations more than the national average
12:28 < kanzure> i'll rephrase my suggestion: if your goal is to communicate information, i suggest you write it down instead of putting it in videos
12:28 < lichen> each serves a purpose
12:28 < lichen> some things are better conveyed in video
12:28 < lichen> however if youre just talking at the cam
12:28 < lichen> that doesnt really matter so much
12:29 < lichen> anyways i gotta go to work
12:29 < kanzure> seems more like video blogging
12:29 < lichen> yep
12:29 < lichen> bye
12:29 < kanzure> cya
12:30 < Lukas_> Eventually I plan on actually showing simple experiments - but I can't at the moment, so until I am actually useful to the DIY movement, this is what I'm doing ( your suggestion of writing this down is reasonable)
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14:05 < uniqanomaly_> http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2011/01/18/what-does-biotech-really-suffer-from-information-overload-or-underload/
14:10 < kanzure> yeah, subscription costs from $50,000 to $100,000 are common
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14:15 < kanzure> hi gleapsite
14:16 < gleapsite> hi kanzure
14:18 < delinquentme> thats quite a subscription fee!
14:18 < delinquentme> what service is this?
14:19 < kanzure> susbcriptions to academic journals
14:19 < delinquentme> wow.
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14:53 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/637230479/a-documentary-film-about-synthetic-biology
14:56 < uniqanomaly_> sweet
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15:16 < kanzure> via anselm:
15:16 < kanzure> automated microscopy software http://micro-manager.org/
15:16 < kanzure> 'μManager is a software package for control of automated microscopes. It lets you execute common microscope image acquisition strategies such as time-lapses, multi-channel imaging, z-stacks, and combinations thereof. μManager works with microscopes from all four major manufacturers (Leica, Nikon, Olympus and Zeiss), most scientific-grade cameras and many peripherals (stages, filter wheels, shutters, etc.) used in microscope imaging (check the  li
15:16 < kanzure> http://valelab.ucsf.edu/~nico/MMwiki/index.php/Main_Page
15:16 < kanzure> http://valelab.ucsf.edu/~nico/MMwiki/index.php/Linux_installation_from_source_%28Ubuntu%29
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15:31 < gleapsite> sounds like libgphoto for microscopes.
15:33 < kanzure> pfft real men use libgphoto2
15:33 < kanzure> :P
15:35 < gleapsite> indeed.
15:39 < gleapsite> and if you don't like that beanscript: https://valelab.ucsf.edu/~nico/MMwiki/index.php/Using_the_Micro-Manager_python_library
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15:45 < kanzure> ru sirius bothered to interview evan malone? http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/robotics/manufacture-it-yourself
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15:52 < kanzure> grr http://www.hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/what%E2%80%99s-best-transhumanist%E2%80%A6-whatever
15:52 < kanzure> don't use stupid unicode in your stupid urls when it's stupid unnecessary
15:56 < kanzure> because one day i'll eventually end up being the one to fix it
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17:16 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you restart your testing server when switching between branches?
17:16 < kanzure> which testing server for which project?
17:17 < delinquentme> O_o
17:17 < delinquentme> i just meant in general
17:17 < kanzure> :/ i have a handful of projects and servers at the moment
17:17 < delinquentme> ahh i've been having server weirdness going on .. and i was wondering if me switching branches w the server active is effing w it
17:17 < kanzure> well, i sometimes use a staging server, which can be just a giant linux image
17:18 < kanzure> what does a branch switch for you entail?
17:18 < delinquentme> it prob doesnt HURT to turn the server off and restart when i switch branches
17:18 < kanzure> hah what?
17:18 < delinquentme> git checkout branch
17:18 < kanzure> you want to restart your server after git checkout?
17:18 < delinquentme> git checkout otherbranch
17:18 < kanzure> seems a little over the top
17:18 < delinquentme> id prefer not to
17:18 < delinquentme> but if it makes it run smoother
17:19 < delinquentme> #git doesnt have a answer yet
17:20 < delinquentme> sometimes when im gitfuing i feel like im in the movie inception
17:21 < delinquentme> * O SCHNAP were going DEEPER *
17:21 < delinquentme> then 80 years later the codes fixed
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17:54 < kanzure> delinquentme is this lab equipment related?
17:54 < delinquentme> O_o
17:54 < delinquentme> ?
17:55 < delinquentme> nah this is related to just coding and using git
18:24 < fenn> gaze tracking demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx6Ym0tSJyg
18:25 < fenn> delinquentme: the technical term is "yak shaving"
18:26 < delinquentme> fenn ive heard of this
18:26 < delinquentme> its like scandanavian soccer
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18:50 < AlonzoTG1> Why are you talking abut git in here?
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18:52 < fenn> http://www.tobii.com/en/analysis-and-research/global/products/hardware/tobii-glasses-eye-tracker/
18:54 < AlonzoTG1> What a crappy gadget.
18:54 < fenn> video of its output data http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAI54CgP2ag&feature=related
18:56 < AlonzoTG1> What a crappy gadget.
18:56 < delinquentme> id wear em out on a friday night!
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19:19 < kanzure> sorry but most of the people i met from 3DS turned out to be total assholes or scammers
19:19 < kanzure> blah
19:19 < kanzure> wrong channel
19:30 < ybit> scammers? i hate those guys, but for a low, low price of $100 I can have them out of your life
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19:47 < kanzure> "Did you know that the creator of Duke Nukem Forever, Scott Miller, is an immortalist and involved in the Immortality Institute?"
19:49 < gleapsite> explains the games release date I guess.
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19:56 < lichen> immortalists make me laugh
19:56 < gleapsite> why?
19:57 < kanzure> stop laughing and get back to work http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/longevity/
19:57 < kanzure> hiyaah *whip* *whip*
19:57 < kanzure> :P
19:57 < lichen> because it completely ignores the fact that a large portion of the earth's population lacks basic necessities like clean drinking water
19:57 < kanzure> that argument has been rebunked a million times over..
19:57 < kanzure> but what value will i gain by convincing you that you are wrong?
19:58 < gleapsite> for clean drinking water you can build a simple solar purifier with a large bowel, a small bowel and some clear plastic
19:58 < lichen> if you dont want to discuss, then dont start
19:58 < kanzure> sounds like you're the one that doesn't want to? "let's talk about x instead"
19:59 < lichen> my point being that we need to address resources and how to sustain a population with rapidly expanding lifespans
19:59 < lichen> as well as the social impact if there is a divide in the availability of such technology
19:59 < kanzure> oh please.. people who believe in preventing availability of tech are clearly supporters of IPR
20:00 < lichen> ipr?
20:00 < kanzure> "intellectual property rights"
20:00 < lichen> ew
20:00 < lichen> dont make presumptions about me, thanks
20:00 < gleapsite> Lets assume for a minute, that intelligence and experience are resources.  Shouldn't we consider the sustainability of those as well?
20:00 < lichen> those aren't finite resources
20:00 < lichen> i'm not against expanding lifespans and living forever
20:00 < lichen> i think it sounds great
20:01 < kanzure> lichen: if you don't believe in IPR then don't say people won't have access to these technologies (like reprap); they clearly *do*; it's written into the license
20:01 < gleapsite> everytime someone dies we lose their knowledge and exp.
20:01 < lichen> did i ever say people should die?
20:01 < gleapsite> so why do you laugh at people trying not to die (ever)?
20:02 < lichen> perhaps that was ill-phrased
20:02 < lichen> let me find the right words-
20:02 < kanzure> no! only pictograms
20:03 < gleapsite> crude .gifs scrawled on the walls of geocities.
20:03 < lichen> lol
20:04 < lichen> eh, i guess my problem isnt with 'immortalism' itself, but rather the image associated with a lot of transhumanists
20:04 < uniqanomaly_> which is?
20:05 < lichen> the shiny clean future where everyone is happy and "oh for sure, i'll make it to the singularity and live forever as long as i keep popping these vitamins"
20:05 < kanzure> yeah, there's a lot of that (ray kurzweil)
20:05 < kanzure> (almost everyone)
20:05 < lichen> lol
20:05 < lichen> as i'm turning this into a vague, misdirected rant, i should stop
20:06 < kanzure> how about a more proactive discussion
20:06 < lichen> but that entire group just makes me groan a little, although i appreciate what they're trying to do
20:06 < kanzure> yap away..
20:06 < kanzure> how do you feel about the transhumanists running biocurious, for instance?
20:07 < kanzure> http://biocurious.org/kickstarter/
20:07 < lichen> i'm not familiar with it
20:07 < kanzure> hackerspace for diybio
20:07 < kanzure> in san francisco
20:07 < lichen> cool
20:07 < kanzure> another one is genspace.org in nyc
20:07 < lichen> yeah ive heard of genspace
20:07 < kanzure> but it's not very transhumanist
20:07 < lichen> biocurious's name makes me smile
20:07 < kanzure> i mean, they aren't transhumanists
20:08 < lichen> it's still science
20:08 < kanzure> "biocurious: curious about biographies?" wait, no
20:08 < lichen> anything that puts science more readily into peoples' hands is great
20:08 < gleapsite> I hope one of these starts selling implant grade magnets.  Haworth kinda has a monopoly on them right now.
20:08 < lichen> and thats what i see out of these spaces
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20:09 < lichen> just get some parylene magnets
20:09 < kanzure> lichen: "immortality institute" is basically a giant forum.. probably the best place on the net for nootropics users to get information
20:09 < lichen> parylene-coated neodym
20:09 < gleapsite> coat them myself?
20:09 < kanzure> although my personal gripe about them is that the experiments they plan aren't too thorough.. i.e. they "learn science" by reading pubmed abstracts and getting giddy about keywords
20:10 < lichen> well, my friend is here
20:10 < gleapsite> kanzure: more of journalism than science?
20:10 < lichen> i'll talk later
20:11 < kanzure> gleapsite: in lots of cases yeah
20:11 < kanzure> i mean, you should definitely check it out
20:11 < kanzure> http://imminst.org/
20:11 < kanzure> just be careful and don't go crazy
20:11 < gleapsite> I added their book to my growing to read folder
20:13 < kanzure> if you want i can make it easier on you and just give you multiple megabytes of my bookmarks..
20:14 < gleapsite> I haven't even started to scratch the surface of  http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/
20:14 < kanzure> feel free to point out anything you find particularly interesting or worth talking about..
20:14 < kanzure> (from the papers folder especially)
20:17 < gleapsite> I presume you saw that article recently that claimed bee dances are projections from a 6D flag manifold  (which is also used in quantum predictions)
20:18 < gleapsite> specifically this: http://www.neuroquantology.com/repository/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65:honeybees-are-found-to-interact-with-quantum-fields&catid=59:quantum-field-theory-in-brain&Itemid=70
20:18 < kanzure> nope
20:18 < gleapsite> hmm. was hoping to try and find an actual paper on it
20:19 < kanzure> i see your bee dances and raise you optogenetic control of mice
20:19 < kanzure> Spatiotemporal control of cell signalling using a light-switchable protein interaction http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7266/abs/nature08446.html
20:19 < gleapsite> fibre optic cable to the head
20:19 < kanzure> (fenn lives with one of the coauthors)
20:19 < gleapsite> yeah
20:19 < kanzure> oh, with the primary author, even neater
20:19 < kanzure> hmm neuroquantology is using joomla
20:20 < kanzure> gleapsite: re: that bee stuff, this is likely worth reading.. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2042139
20:22 < gleapsite> indeed.
20:22 < jrayhawk> re: fucked repository: should be fixable with sudo rmrepo
20:24 < jrayhawk> normal rmrepo isn't designed to handle repos in an inconsistent state since i don't want users to have any power under undefined circumstances
20:24 < jrayhawk> or, rather, i only want normal users to have power under well-defined circumstances
20:27 < kanzure> i rm'd things a while ago..
20:28 < kanzure> this is a fairly glaring architectural issue
20:29 < kanzure> "package names must be less than 24 characters so we can host everything on piny" <-- no
20:30 < jrayhawk> I can make that 28
20:31 < jrayhawk> well, easily
20:33 < kanzure> i'll take that for now..
20:33 < kanzure> but i'm not thrilled with having to recompile/reconfigure libc every time the system switches in some important way
20:37 < jrayhawk> The current group and user naming scheme is just a convenience, really, and we could achieve the same thing with an index or a hash.
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21:13 < jrayhawk> a different index, i guess i should say. /etc/group is already an index.
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21:30 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/microcentrifuge-tube
21:31 < kanzure> is a dependency of http://diyhpl.us/cgit/dremelfuge
22:02 < kanzure> http://halorrhodopsin.co.tv/
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22:17 < kanzure> hi Nomadicus
22:17 < Nomadicus> Hello!
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22:18 < Nomadicus> What is your reasoning for being here kanzure?
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22:19 < kanzure> global world domination by 2016; diy human enhancement; etc.
22:20 < Nomadicus> What knowledge do you explore?
22:20 < kanzure> everything
22:23 < Nomadicus> I just discovered the ReRap, are you aware of it?
22:23 < kanzure> reprap, yes
22:23 < Nomadicus> Have you built one?
22:23 < kanzure> no. lots of people in #reprap have
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22:24 < Nomadicus> Do you know how to fabricate an atmospheric water generator?
22:25 < Nomadicus> It is a partiular device I have not found instructions for yet.
22:26 < kanzure> a condenser/condensator?
22:26 < Nomadicus> I am not sure what your question is intended to querry?
22:27 < augur> *sigh*
22:27 < augur> kanzure: fix me :(
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22:52 < delinquentme> gents .. can we talk for a minute .. about mental exhaustion vrs physical exhaustion
22:53 < delinquentme> ive got a really wild thing going on right now
22:53 < delinquentme> i havnt done shit all day
22:53 < delinquentme> but im physically very tuckered out
22:53 < delinquentme> however MENTALLY .. im feeling like i want more to chew on ...
22:57 < delinquentme> SITTING posture
22:57 < delinquentme> this helps
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23:05 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
23:06 < delinquentme> howdy JayDugger
23:08 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/microcentrifuge-tube
23:11 < augur> kanzure: please
23:12 < augur> i need someone who understands me
23:12 < augur> tell me you understand me
23:12 < kanzure> i don't understand any of you and you all suck
23:12  * kanzure sleeps
23:12 < jrayhawk> words can hurt, jerkface!
23:13 < kanzure> jrayhawk: sebastien is going to have some questions in a few seconds.. sorry
23:13 < kanzure> or ralith
23:13 < JayDugger> Heh. I thought sleep deprivation made _me_ irritable. :)
23:13 < jrayhawk> I need to go put out a server-related fire, so I won't be able to get to it soon.
23:14 < jrayhawk> If my IRC client exits, the fire has spread.
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23:15 < sebastienb> evening, all.
23:15 < kanzure> hi sebastienb ... you should bug fenn or jrayhawk with questions while i sleep
23:16 < sebastienb> will do.
23:16 < jrayhawk> email will work better; i need to deal with an emergency. jrayhawk@omgwallhack.org
23:16 < sebastienb> jrayhawk, will do.
23:17 < augur> kanzure: <3
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23:44 < sebastienb> fenn, how's the mini-mendel?
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