--- Log opened Mon Jan 24 00:00:10 2011 00:39 -!- Nomadicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:11 < Utopiah> recordings from the french transhumanist association (no subtitles) http://vimeo.com/channels/164832 1st conf 01:17 -!- antonio_ [~antonio@host9-45-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:17 < antonio_> !list 01:21 -!- antonio_ [~antonio@host9-45-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Konversation terminated!"] 01:44 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:24 < jrayhawk> You can install xserver-xorg-video-dummy if nothing else. 02:25 < jrayhawk> Assuming it actually needs an xserver to render stuff; if you're just concerned about installing libraries I don't really see a reason to care in the first place. 02:55 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:04 -!- pasky [pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:24 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@orchitis.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:25 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@orchitis.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:25 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:28 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@118.142.17.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:42 < kanzure> unfortunately a few of them really do need a screen to render on (wtf) 03:44 < joshcryer> ??? 03:44 < joshcryer> Hardware acceleration or something? 03:46 < kanzure> no 03:47 < kanzure> opencascade's "save to png" is actually just a "open a window and take a screenshot of the desktop" function 03:47 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what's up with the ping timeout? 03:49 < jrayhawk> I guess one of the backup scripts is a little too aggressive about eating up bandwidth :( 03:50 < joshcryer> kanzure, ahh 03:55 < jrayhawk> perhaps it'd be better to export these sorts of files in formats that support headless rendering? 04:00 -!- Lukas___ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:15 < Lukas___> Good morning 04:21 < archels> lo 04:39 < Lukas___> Kanzure, you around? 06:02 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:20 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:25 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-67-171-133-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:37 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:46 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: CryptoQuick] 06:55 -!- strages [~809e4e63@dev.throwthemind.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:05 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:14 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:17 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what format would that be? 07:17 < kanzure> all of the export methods require xorg 07:21 -!- Lukas___ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:59 -!- Director_X [432affb1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.42.255.177] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:59 < kanzure> hi Director_X 08:00 < Director_X> hi. 08:01 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-67-171-133-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:02 < Director_X> Hey Kanzure, any recomendations on a 3d printer? 08:02 < Director_X> for metal? 08:02 < kanzure> ? http://reprap.org/wiki/SpoolHead 08:04 < Director_X> thank you much 08:11 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:11 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@unaffiliated/jrabbit] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:13 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@64-126-53-193.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@64-126-53-193.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:18 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@unaffiliated/jrabbit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:22 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:34 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:40 -!- Lukas___ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 < Lukas___> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/emiddt/2006/00000006/00000003/art00001?token=005c1a9e34e4846dc96720297d7634707b494a457a6c7b4257476d3f6a4b4b6e6e42576b642738641555d4ab9c6b 08:55 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@unaffiliated/jrabbit] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:56 < Lukas___> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16003759 09:09 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:09 < kanzure> is this how people spend their time? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/ForesightStudies.doc.html 09:09 < kanzure> hrmm 09:18 -!- Director_X [432affb1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.42.255.177] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:40 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:41 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@unaffiliated/jrabbit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 < kanzure> jmil: do you have estimates on timelines for when you'll release your tissue printing hardware? 09:48 < jmil> hardware already exists. it depends on peer review. could take 6 months unfortunately 09:48 < kanzure> is it the hardware under peer review or a paper/publication? 09:48 < jmil> paper/publication 09:48 < jmil> about to be submitted 09:49 < kanzure> random other question.. how is chen lab authoring it? 09:49 < kanzure> some labs i know just use word .doc files 09:49 < jmil> lol 09:49 < kanzure> :/ 09:49 < jmil> i'm using latex 09:49 < kanzure> under git? how do you share that 09:49 < jmil> but peeps don't like it 09:49 < jmil> ya, 'course with git :D 09:49 < jmil> share that? 09:49 < kanzure> and your coauthors use git too? 09:49 < kanzure> in one botched paper i was coauthoring people just sent .doc files around in email attachments :( 09:50 < jmil> ya .doc is usual fare 09:50 < jmil> no no one uses git or latex. just me 09:50 < kanzure> so if it's in git does that mean your coauthors are pulling/pushing? 09:50 < kanzure> oh i see. 09:50 < jmil> i don't like to throw written text away or delete it. i'd much rather comment it out and/or store it in the git repo. i'm a pack rat 09:51 < jmil> that's why i love latex 09:51 < jmil> unfortunately each paragraph in latex is a single line in git 09:51 < jmil> so git merges are actually not so good for latex co-authoring 09:51 < jmil> you'd need git to split your text word by word 09:51 < kanzure> you could set linewidth to 80 in the files and update line by line 09:52 < kanzure> you could do that with a git hook actually (a pre-commit hook even) 09:52 < kanzure> but i don't know how you'd detect whether or not the line is plain text vs. latex commands (which shouldn't be split up on multiple lines because that could break 'em) 09:52 < jmil> ya i was gonna do a python script to pre and post-process one of these days... "but who has the time" 09:53 < jmil> you just do " " -> "\n" and then reverse it back again 09:53 < kanzure> so when you release the paper you'll release .scad files, or what? 09:53 < jmil> probably will just throw on thingiverse 09:53 < jmil> once it's published 09:53 < jmil> it's probably not what you are thinking though... we are not printing cells directly. that's why it works so freaking well for large scale tissue culture 09:54 < kanzure> i figured you might be printing growth media or scaffolds 09:54 < jmil> ya that's the one 09:55 < jmil> it's highly highly highly scaleable 09:55 < jmil> and inexpensive 09:55 < jmil> and easy 09:55 < jmil> and simple 09:55 < jmil> so we can do dozens of tissue mimics per day, ~1 mL in volume right now but it's trivial to go higher volume too 09:56 < kanzure> 1 mL of diluted cell culture? 09:56 < jmil> super concentrated cells 09:56 < jmil> because we have the plumbing too 09:59 < Lukas___> I may actually have a useful idea, it's still not fully formed, but I thought I'd share the idea anyway 10:00 < Lukas___> Cancer cells, as well as some viruses, have genes that down regulate MHC class 1 molecules (perhaps using TGF-beta?). I think that if these genes included in a piece of DNA you want to incorporate into an organism, carried by an AAV vector, you could temporarily bypass the immune system until the new cells acquires immunity 10:00 -!- Nomadicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:10 -!- Nomadicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:21 < kanzure> can you give me a reference/citation to a paper that shows the immunity issues you're concerned about? 10:24 < Lukas___> no problem 10:27 < Lukas___> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.21312/full 10:28 < Lukas___> grr, the other article requires money 10:28 < Lukas___> -___- 10:28 < Lukas___> http://adisonline.com/biodrugs/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2005&issue=19060&article=00002&type=abstract 10:28 < Lukas___> abstract 10:29 < Lukas___> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/emiddt/2006/00000006/00000003/art00001?token=0058182c633af51f437a63736a6f5747464c23666c5f532e796f644a467c79675d7c4e724770f2784469d2b7 10:29 < Lukas___> another abstract 10:31 < Utopiah> http://www.quora.com/Aubrey-de-Grey (didn't know he was on Quora) 10:31 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:32 < kanzure> Utopiah: yeah, he signed up within the last month 10:33 < kanzure> Lukas___: that's cancer immunotherapy.. 10:34 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34 < Lukas___> I know, I was focusing on cancer's ability to avoid immune detection. Most of the papers focus on stopping that. 10:35 < Lukas___> I will post more resources when I come across it 10:36 < kanzure> i don't know why you are specifically worrying about immune detection 10:38 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 < Lukas___> There are definitely other things to worry about, such as regulation of the protein, assuring the molecule produced doesn't do something harmful, but first you've got to make sure the body doesn't destroy whatever you' 10:40 < Lukas___> re 10:40 < Lukas___> trying to make 10:45 < ThomasEgi> jmil, please excuse my no-knowledge since i'm new. but are there any restrictions on what kind of cells you can print? 10:45 < jmil> see above... we are not printing cells... 10:45 < jmil> what kind of cells do you work with? 10:46 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 10:46 < ThomasEgi> none yet. but i'd be interested in knowing if there's a way to create a mini-muscle thing 10:55 < jmil> could probably work. would be a 5-year project most likely. 10:55 < ThomasEgi> uh.. guess nature is faster then. 10:56 < jmil> oh i mean 5-year project to figure out all the details. 10:57 < jmil> the basics of getting cells and the blood vessel network there should be pretty straightforward though. 10:58 < ThomasEgi> i guess it owuld be easier to take the material from a already existing muscles in my case. would only need a small strand, like a few cm long and thin 10:58 < jmil> what do you want to do with it? 10:59 < ThomasEgi> building a sort of mini-generator. 10:59 < ThomasEgi> father of a friend of mine is going to lose his arm in 5 to 10 years 11:00 < archels> To what? 11:00 < ThomasEgi> to build a mechanical replacement 11:00 < archels> I mean to what illness? 11:00 < ThomasEgi> including controll from the old nerves. 11:00 < ThomasEgi> i totaly dont know the english term. some kind of slime-bags or so 11:02 < ThomasEgi> we thought about wiring up the old nerves during the amputation and build a wireless interface between nerves and the mechanics. 11:03 < ThomasEgi> so right now we'r evaluating all possibilities to avoid power cords. and a biological-generator was one of the many ideas 11:06 < archels> And you're a family of neurosurgeons? 11:06 < ThomasEgi> no. electronics, mechanics ,and mechatronics students 11:06 < ThomasEgi> so we sorta have a lack of biologists 11:07 < archels> You can buy robotic replacement limbs, you know. 11:07 < jmil> oh... but a biological-generator probably won't make enough force to power anything 11:07 < jmil> meaningful 11:08 < ThomasEgi> the generator only would have to power the circuitry which does the input/output of the nerve signals 11:08 < ThomasEgi> those range in the milli-watt range 11:08 < ThomasEgi> single-digit miliwatt 11:14 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:17 < ThomasEgi> well. the generator idea is propably not feasible. but evaluating it was nececssary. 11:27 < archels> Maybe you should re-evaluate the feasibility of the entire project. 11:31 < ThomasEgi> that will be the outcome of evaluating all sub-parts 11:31 < archels> top tip: start with the difficult ones. 11:31 < ThomasEgi> that'd be reading input from nerves. 11:31 < ThomasEgi> followed by output, which is alot easier already. 11:32 < ThomasEgi> hardest part is to get hands on good electrodes. 11:33 < ThomasEgi> and of course getting them in place. 11:34 < ThomasEgi> most of the project is regular engineering work. there's nothing we need that wouldnt exist already. 11:53 < archels> So if the difficult things magically resolve themselves, only easy things remain? Really? 11:55 -!- strages [~809e4e63@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 11:56 -!- strages [~809e4e63@dev.throwthemind.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 < kanzure> archels: what? 11:56 < archels> kanzure: just trolling ThomasEgi 11:57 < kanzure> yeah, stop 11:57 < kanzure> or at least do it better.. 11:57 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: what do you think about openprosthetics.org? 12:01 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02 -!- rsFF [~rsFF@bl15-13-199.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:03 < ThomasEgi> last time i checked it was a nice collection of lego models 12:09 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10 -!- rsFF [~rsFF@2.80.38.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:11 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:14 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:34 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:12 -!- Lukas___ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:15 < jmil> kanzure: http://biomaterials.org/ 13:15 < jmil> just found out, will be presenting here: http://2011.biomaterials.org/ 13:15 < jmil> 15 min talk 13:16 < jmil> i will definitely be able to disclose some stuff then 13:17 < kanzure> neat :) 13:17 < kanzure> will it be recorded? 13:19 < jmil> likely not 13:19 < jmil> actually, surely not 13:28 -!- Lukas___ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:28 < Lukas___> http://abc.com.au/news/stories/2008/01/24/2146032.htm 13:28 < Lukas___> wtf? 13:34 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 < kanzure> i just got an email from Jeff Moe 13:39 < kanzure> jebba: someone is using your domain name 13:40 < jebba> huh? 13:40 < kanzure> someone named jeff 13:40 < kanzure> i guess. 13:40 < jebba> maybe redmine sent something automatically to you? I dont think I "manually" wrote one. I am Jeff ;) 13:41 < kanzure> it was sent to reprap-dev 13:41 < jebba> Jeff Moe, to be exact ;) 13:41 < kanzure> oh. hi jeff 13:41 < jebba> heh 13:41 < kanzure> that makes sense then 13:41 < kanzure> problem solved.. 13:41 < jebba> ah ya, to reprap-dev i just sent some noise. 14:17 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:21 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:46 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:59 -!- rsFF [~rsFF@2.80.38.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:00 -!- rsFF [~rsFF@bl19-38-74.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:03 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: jmil] 15:12 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:21 -!- timschmidt [~tim@h96-60-31-214.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:27 -!- strages [~809e4e63@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 15:43 -!- NOMADICUS [~kvirc@71-89-22-80.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 -!- NOMADICUS is now known as Nomadicus 16:17 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:27 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-67-171-133-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-95-44.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-95-44.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:58 < kanzure> "Hi there! I am a Brazilian cyborg anthropologist and and I am in London for a couple of days. I would love to visit London Hacker Space. Is it possible? My friend Alexandre Abdo visited LHS two months ago. Does anybody there remember of him?" 16:58 < kanzure> hmm brazilian cyborgs 16:58 < kanzure> i imagine there might be more brazilian cyborg anthropologists than brazilian cyborgs 16:58 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:59 < uniqanomaly> kanzure: good point 16:59 < uniqanomaly> ;D 17:34 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-67-171-133-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:37 -!- SovereignBleak [SovereignB@1385154227.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [] 17:38 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:05 < kanzure> does this load for anyone? 18:05 < kanzure> http://70.32.108.164/~hplus/2010/12/21/lifebox-immortality/ 18:11 < superkuh> kanzure: No. It loads the top head/nav but stops at "