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00:44 < Utopiah> http://www.thelifelapseexperiment.com
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07:13 < kanzure> synchronized quroum of genetic clocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbaWC2GDYJQ
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07:57 < kanzure> allen buchanan's book is now up on nature.com "the ethics of biomedical enhancement" http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v470/n7332/full/470035a.html
07:57 < kanzure> i'm usually not one for promoting links to anything about ethics, but i think this is an ok exception
07:58 < kanzure> except that it costs money >:o
08:33 < JayDugger> Inter-Library Loan?
08:33 < JayDugger> Check Worldcat.org for the nearest library with a copy, and then fill out a form at your local library.
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08:51 < kanzure> JayDugger: i don't want to actually grab a copy of that, it's just a review/writeup
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09:24 < JayDugger> Is it just me, or do the various 3d printers have little worth beyond bootstrapping themselves to better performance and closing the self-replicating loop?
09:26 < Utopiah> self-replicating loop?
09:26 < Utopiah> (brat voice) are we there yet?
09:26 < JayDugger> Device X can build N% of its own components.
09:27 < JayDugger> I imagine Freitas has a term for this in his book, kinematic self-replicating machines, but it escapes my memory.
09:28 < Utopiah> yes I mean I understand the principle (at least I hope so) yet I think in practice I wouldn't say we are anywhere close to that but I guess it depends on your criteria
09:29 < JayDugger> Fair enough. I wanted to hear justifications for waiting to buy one,
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09:30 < JayDugger> which ought to clearly come from my bank statements.
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10:08 < JayDugger> Hmm...
10:08 < JayDugger> log.lasersaur.com redirects to a Flickr photo set
10:09 < JayDugger> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stfnix/sets/72157624491114826/detail/
10:10 < JayDugger> I have more use for a laser cutter than a printer, but right now I have even more use for a snow shovel.
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10:38 < ybit> who are the members of biocurious?
10:38 < ybit> ..outside of joseph jackson..
10:38 < ybit> and tito
10:38 < ybit> and eri
10:38 < ybit> actually...
10:39 < ybit> well, yeah, that question still applies, but i'm curious what everyone does outside of biocurious
10:40 < ybit> eri is Communications and Technology Officer at yale
10:40 < ybit> yale alumni
10:41 < ybit> i'm not really sure what that entails
10:41 < ybit> oh i see
10:41  * ybit starts to ponder in his head instead of irc..
10:43 < kanzure> ybit: eri is not someone i'd associate with
10:43 < kanzure> see pm
10:44 < kanzure> biocurious members/people: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/biocurious-people.txt
10:44 < ybit> thanks
10:46 < kanzure> if you need a more thorough list you can parse meetlog.txt yourself
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10:56 < Lukas_> Hullo
11:02 < ENKI-][> http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8537/eiri.jpg <-- eri?
11:16 < ThomasEgi> ENKI-][, that's god, as seen in serial experiments lain?
11:17 < ThomasEgi> protip; dont duct-tape your hair.
11:17 < kanzure> heh html5 protein viewer http://jolecule.appspot.com/
11:18 < Lukas_> nifty
11:27 < ybit> http://www.erc-assoc.org/
11:27 < ybit> one interesting erc: http://www.synberc.org/
11:28 < ybit> eri gentry is an advisor for synberc
11:29 < ybit> i don't have exposures to positions like this
11:29 < ybit> what do advisors and consultants do
11:30 < ENKI-][> ThomasEgi: it's eri masami, from serial experiments lain
11:30 < ybit> it seems like a highly unstable job
11:30 < ENKI-][> keep in mind his backstory
11:30 < ENKI-][> a human codemonkey in charge of implementing an IP stack makes an AI replica of himself and gives it control over traffic
11:31 < ENKI-][> then suicides
11:32 < kanzure> ybit: they sit around and send emails to each other
11:32 < kanzure> it's just social circlejerking
11:32 < ybit> http://wimserc.org/research_highlights/research_highlights.php
11:32 < ENKI-][> and because the company he produced the IP stack for has a monopoly on devices (tachibana is basically apple in a microsoft-less world, so his code is running on everything from the dominant computing platform to phones and pdas) he controls basically the whole internet
11:34 < ThomasEgi> in short. a god^
12:22 < ENKI-][> only on the internet
12:22 < ENKI-][> he got around that by inventing a wireless protocol that had the ability to use the microwave auditory effect to interface directly with people's brains
12:23 < ENKI-][> i'm glad someone else here has seen the show, though
12:23 < ENKI-][> i have seen it twenty three times
12:24 < ybit> i'm guessing adam t. is adam till
12:25  * ybit is stalking biocurious-people.txt
12:28 < ybit> i'm guessing not everyone is a biocurious member
12:28 < ybit> most of these must have donated money to get them started
12:33 < ybit> amazing how many are from the d.c. area
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13:12 < ybit> umkay
13:12 < ybit> i've got an html file..
13:12 < ybit> suppose i could just upload it to, er, filebin
13:13 < ybit> hrm
13:13 < ybit> filebin is down
13:13 < ybit> could upload to my vps
13:14 < ybit> umkay
13:14 < ybit> guess i'll do that :)
13:26 < ybit> http://173.230.131.72/biocurious-people.html
13:32 < kanzure> ybit: here's an updated list http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/biocurious-people.txt
13:33 < ybit> Will Reinhardt
13:34 < ybit> ^ignore
13:36 < ybit> i pasted by accident
13:50 < jebba> wowza. Got some arcol.hu hotends today (reprap stuff). Fantástico: http://www.alephobjects.com/photos/hotends/arcol/unboxing/
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14:16 < ybit> hrm, the bay area is where it's at right now
14:29 < kanzure> um.. yes
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15:24 < AlonzoTG> om
15:24  * AlonzoTG is suffering from profound cognitive dissonance.
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15:28 < AlonzoTG> =\
15:29 < AlonzoTG> Cognitive dissonance:  The posthumanists insisting that I should be pro-uploading, and that there is something wrong with me for not doing it. And then my co-worker telling me that I should wipe out the portion of my mind that I keep in my computer just because I'm experiencing some minor glitches.
15:29 < Lukas_> Hullo
15:30 < kanzure> AlonzoTG: you're the only insisting that others are insisting they upload you-or-else
15:30 < AlonzoTG> No.
15:31 < AlonzoTG> I have proof.
15:33 < AlonzoTG> Almost all discussion of the future on exi-chat assumes that the earth and everything I've ever cared about in my entire life, or is within my emotional capacity to care, has been wiped out in favor of computronium.
15:33 < AlonzoTG> =(
15:33 < kanzure> nope.. is it possible that you're delusional
15:33 < AlonzoTG> Sorry, you're wrong.
15:33 < AlonzoTG> =\
15:34 < kanzure> haha. extropy-chat does not believe the world has been converted into computronium
15:34 < AlonzoTG> no, but that it will be.
15:34 < kanzure> *shrug* it might, it's also possible that you will turn into a rooster
15:36 < AlonzoTG> Okay, so where are the transhumanists advocating humanoid space exploration?
15:36 < AlonzoTG> -- NAILED.
15:36 < kanzure> spacecollective
15:36 < Lukas_> *raises hand*
15:37 < AlonzoTG> ok, good.
15:38 < kanzure> can you stop being so paranoid
15:38 < AlonzoTG> This channel seems to be a tiny island of sanity amidst the cracked pots of transhumanism. =\
15:39 < Lukas_> Sounds about right
15:39 < AlonzoTG> Okay, kanzure: explain Eugene Leitl.
15:40 < kanzure> what about him?
15:40 < kanzure> he sometimes hangs out in here
15:40 < AlonzoTG> explain his positions to me.
15:40 < kanzure> no thanks.. you can go ask him yourself. he tends to argue with technology
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16:06 < Lukas_> Spacecollective is interesting
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17:02 < Unknown19389> or is it more a bunch of collective works
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18:00 < kanzure> heh i might get access to kurzweilai.net
18:01 < kanzure> p.s. stop giving me root
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18:12 < Lukas_> Hey Kanzure
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18:18 < kanzure> hello Lukas_
18:19 < Lukas_> How are your projects coming along?
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22:32 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
22:48 < ybit> morning JayDugger
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