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00:30 < fenn> change video0 to video1 i guess
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06:03 < kanzure> what do i say to something like this?
06:03 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev/browse_thread/thread/2b9015f414c3fe50
06:08 < drazak> kanzure:
06:08 < drazak> kanzure: I won't be around until later today
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06:31 < kanzure> got 1k hits yesterday because qwantz linked over to the blog http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1901
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06:56 < kanzure> http://anonleaks.ru/
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08:15 < kanzure> why don't i know where to buy drugs (like nootropics) on the web?
08:15 < strages> for those on twitter, these are excellent accounts to follow https://twitter.com/#!/NASATechBriefs and https://twitter.com/#!/NASA_CASI
08:16 < strages> I had no idea there was this amount of research from NASA available to the public
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08:19 < kanzure> strages: have you seen the reports that robert freitas was involved in?
08:21 < kanzure> like "advanced automated for space missions" http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/
08:21 < kanzure> trying to find it on nasa.gov.. this looks like one related part? http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=409928&id=1&as=false&or=false&qs=Ntt%3DTechnology%2Bassessment%2Bof%2Badvanced%2Bautomation%2Bfor%2Bspace%2Bmissions%257c%2522advanced%2Bautomation%2Bfor%2Bspace%2Bmissions%2522%26Ntk%3Dall%257call%26Ntx%3Dmode%2Bmatchall%257cmode%2Bmatchall%26Ns%3DArchiveName%257c0%26N%3D42
08:21 < kanzure> or this? http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=805036&id=2&as=false&or=false&qs=Ntt%3DTechnology%2Bassessment%2Bof%2Badvanced%2Bautomation%2Bfor%2Bspace%2Bmissions%257c%2522advanced%2Bautomation%2Bfor%2Bspace%2Bmissions%2522%26Ntk%3Dall%257call%26Ntx%3Dmode%2Bmatchall%257cmode%2Bmatchall%26Ns%3DArchiveName%257c0%26N%3D42
08:23 < kanzure> on a related note i just stumbled on this: "advanced space exploration program art" http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/advart.html
08:28 < jebba> I once went to a small musem that had "art in space" with paintings by Grant Wood of astrounauts getting suited up in the 60s, Andy Warhol painting a shuttle, etc.   They had astronaut spacewalk gloves there too with a bunch of legos so you could try working with them. Was really cool.
08:28 < strages> I see some of this stuff, I work at Marshall Space Flight Center
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09:53 < kanzure> biologigaragen spirulina incubator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdTDj_Iv-hk
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10:01 < Director_X> dag.  wish ThomasEGI was around.
10:02 < Director_X> here is a general rfid question if anyone can answer it...
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10:03 < Jon_D> anybody here have read about the mesa effect ?
10:03 < Director_X> i want to have a 4 function motor hooked hooked up to an on/off switch controled by the rfid...
10:04 < Director_X> can I program it to turn on after it has received an rfid signal for 10 solid seconds?
10:05 < Director_X> is that easy?  never worked w/rfid before.
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10:08 < Director_X> hows it going Lukas?
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10:09 < thesnark> kanzure do you have a space for hardware hacking down there in Austin?
10:09 < Jon_D> kanzure is evil ?
10:10 < Jon_D> vice ?
10:10 < Lukas_> GOOD NEWS!
10:10 < archels> Director_X, that would depend on the microcontroller.
10:10 < kanzure> thesnark: yeah i have spaces
10:10 < thesnark> kanzure also, what happened to promise pyramid? =P
10:10 < Jon_D> hacking is not democratic
10:10 < thesnark> kanzure seemed very...promising
10:11 < kanzure> thesnark: :)
10:11 < Lukas_> I pitched an the idea of starting an iGEM team at my school, we now have a number of professors and 25 biomedical engineering students interested
10:11 < Lukas_> :D
10:11 < kanzure> thesnark: i still have some code for it laying around.
10:11 < kanzure> it's taking back seat while i work on some other more urgent projects
10:11 < Director_X> lukas: nice!
10:11 < Lukas_> So right now I am in the middle of a full blow orgasm
10:12 < Lukas_> nerdgasm*
10:12 < Director_X> lol
10:12 < Lukas_> yup
10:13 < archels> Director_X, is the RFID reader 'hackable' at all? Could you give some more info on your hardware setup?
10:13 < Lukas_> I would love to stay and explain, but I've suddenly become very, very busy (I just wanted to see if the room was alive)
10:14 < Director_X> have fun Lukas, keep me posted
10:15 < Jon_D> facebook is better than IRC sometime
10:15 < Director_X> Archels: I don't have anything set up at this point, but I know I need an rfid "on" switch...
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10:16 < archels> An RFID reader is a complex integrated system. I'm sure you can get units that just trigger an on/off switch, but there's usually some room for sticking your own firmware on the transceiver, which makes it do what you want.
10:18 < archels> Are you looking into buying something ready-made, or perhaps a Project (note the capital)?
10:18 < Director_X> this is a prototype for a project I'm doing
10:19 < archels> Any hardware purchased yet?
10:19 < Director_X> none
10:19 < Director_X> this is micro-sized stuff
10:20 < Director_X> just need a cell phone/ pager motor
10:21 < Director_X> i just need it to turn on with an rfid, then cycle through 4 different pulses
10:21 < Director_X> hopefully by using additional rfid signals'
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10:23 < Director_X> then turn off with the rfid, of course
10:23 < archels> Sounds like a job for a microcontroller (I take it using a PC is not an option).
10:24 < Director_X> no
10:24 < archels> You may be able to find a development kit that has the hardware you need.
10:24 < Director_X> really?
10:25 < Director_X> the greater project can be found here: http://discuss.biohack.me/discussion/41/haptic-subdermals-with-interchangable-sensors#Item_23
10:27 < Director_X> brb
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10:29 < archels> I don't understand what the point is of implanting the vibrators when the sensors are still going to be external. Vibrator motors are pretty large, too.
10:31 < archels> Not to mention power-hungry. Magnetic induction would work, electromagnetic transfer... maybe.
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10:32 < Director_X> yeah, I only need 15 min of on time
10:33 < archels> Did you see my previous two lines?
10:34 < Director_X> yes
10:34 < Director_X> the problem is I can't find a sensor that I'd consider implanting
10:35 < archels> Yes, so why implant at all?
10:35 < Director_X> ultrasonic might be my first
10:36 < Director_X> dont get me wrong, I 'm all for im planting something down the road, when things are smaller
10:36 < Director_X> cell phone buzzers aren't too big
10:38 < archels> Well, you'll need the energy transfer mechanism as well (coil or antenna).
10:38 < archels> I can understand implanting a fully contained system, but if you'll still be wearing a belt or something right on top of the implants, what's the point?
10:39 < Director_X> right.  thats why I'm prototyping first
10:39 < Director_X> I want to play with it before I commit to it
10:40 < archels> How is prototyping going to change that? I still haven't heard your motivation for implanting the actuators rather than wearing them.
10:41 < Director_X> my logic here is that I can program them to all kinds of different sensors....ultrasound, x-ray, whatever
10:42 < Director_X> but I want to use the same actuators
10:42 < archels> Sure, I understand that, and it's a cool idea. But that still doesn't preclude a wearable device with exchangable sensor module.
10:42 < archels> So again: why implant?
10:44 < Director_X> step one is to design the implants and tape them to my body.  step to is to experimaent with the sensors.  if I find one useful, I'll implant it
10:45 < Director_X> does that make sense?
10:45 < Director_X> step to= step 2
10:45 < archels> Okay, so the eventual goal is to implant a fully self-contained system.
10:46 < Director_X> sure, but I think this leaves room for multiple sensors if I choose to play with more
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10:49 < archels> Well, anyway. RFID is a term for a pretty specific system. You want something that, like RFID, uses magnetic coils to transfer power (and information), but that's all the relation it'll have to RFID.
10:49 < Director_X> gotcha
10:50 < Director_X> bluetooth?
10:50 < archels> No, far too complex, and it doesn't transfer significant energy.
10:50 < archels> Essentially, you're on your own.
10:51 < Director_X> fair enough.  thanks
10:51 < archels> There are some projects that do wireless energy transfer using loops, for powering microcontrollers. You could possibly adapt those.
10:51 < Director_X> cool.  I'll look into it
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11:00 < kanzure> https://github.com/tbuser/thingiview.js
11:00 < kanzure> http://replimat.com/thingiview/examples
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11:01 < kanzure> http://blog.thingiverse.com/2011/02/17/thingiview-js/
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11:26 < Jon_D> hacking could make the world more free or give to a group a totalitarian regime, like with the technocrats
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15:11 < drazak> kanzure: ping
15:11 < kanzure> pong
15:11 < kanzure> what was i going to tell you anyway
15:18 < drazak> kanzure: we were going to talk about the STM/AFM project
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15:39 < kanzure> fenn: are you around
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17:34 < Tyrant> kanzure, do you know any people who are experts at diy scientific instruments?
17:34 < Tyrant> either industry or university, "diy" used loosely
17:34 < kanzure> what do you mean by expert?
17:35 < kanzure> thiel foundation can ask me for contacts if they want
17:35 < ThomasEgi> and what kind of instruments?
17:35 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: diy scientific instruments, so basically any of this:
17:36 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/BOMs/diybio-equipment.yaml
17:36 < kanzure> Tyrant: but yes
17:37 < ThomasEgi> so biological instruments... well in the electrical field there are a number of diy instruments
17:38 < kanzure> yep
17:38 < kanzure> really most biology equipment is just electronics
17:39 < kanzure> for instance, a centrifuge doesn't have any living components
17:39 < ThomasEgi> but is mostly mechanic^
17:39 < kanzure> ok fine
17:39 < kanzure> electromechanical
17:40 < Tyrant> expert as in in the industry
17:40 < Tyrant> and yes diy in general
17:43 < kanzure> yep. sure. send them my way.
17:44 < Tyrant> I'll send joseph your way
17:44 < kanzure> joseph? he's the one asking for thiel foundation?
17:46 < Tyrant> yep
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18:31 < drazak> kanzure: I used a thiel tube today, any relation?
18:32 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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20:57 < kanzure> reprap grand prize guidelines i wrote have been 'officially approved'
20:57 < kanzure> so it's a go
20:57 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/gadastuff/reprapgrandprize.v0.3.pdf
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21:53 < jebba> looks good.  :)
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22:13 < kanzure> apparently they were approved 7 days ago
22:13 < kanzure> but since they all thought i was on the board, they didn't tell me
22:13 < kanzure> "oh you didn't vote?"
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22:28 < jebba> hahha
22:29 < jebba> g2g now back to home from our new warehouse/office/etc   :)
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23:15 < Technicus> Has there been any progress on the Emokit hak?
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