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00:15 < jrayhawk> $300 is a lot, but I guess that might be necessary in order to get people to self-moderate.
00:17 < jrayhawk> At least, in the context of politics.
00:23 < jrayhawk> The SA Forums also follows a 'pay a nonrefundable deposit if you want to be here' model. $10 has clearly not been enough motivation for people to keep the politics section sane.
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03:45 < fenn>  Members of Silicon Valley Transhumanist Meetup Group, Your Organizer, James Clement, just stepped down without nominating a replacement. ithout an Organizer, Silicon Valley Transhumanist Meetup Group will shut down on March 23, 2011. Step up to become this Meetup Group's Organizer and you can guide its future direction!
03:56 < fenn> reminds me a kurzweil graph http://www.genome.gov/images/content/cost_per_genome.jpg
04:11 < dbolser> fenn: my colleague projects that graph below zero
04:11 < dbolser> i.e. companies will pay for your genetic data as a commodity
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07:12 < Director_X> good morning.  I've come for wisdom.
07:14 < Director_X> I want to use a pancake vibration motor in reverse to charge batteries.  kind of like a kinetic watch charger.  Should be easy, right?
07:33 < Director_X> I need a way to control the flow of power so that the motor charges the batteries when the device is off (from the kinetic swinginging of the weight inside), and then reverses when the device is turned back on.  Is there something that would control that?
07:51 < fenn> a diode and a transistor, but i question your original concept
07:52 < fenn> basically what you want to do is called regenerative braking
07:53 < fenn> your swinging motor will only generate a few tens of millivolts at most, you'd need a ridiculously efficient boost converter to charge a battery
07:54 < kanzure> hi fenn
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07:58 < fenn> i wonder why anyone would want a watch that needs to be charged constantly
07:59 < fenn> my watch has been going for years with no charging at all
08:00 < fenn> must be the same thing that drives people to buy digimons
08:00 < ThomasEgi> Director_X, in theory , yes. but it wont work in practice
08:01 < fenn> er, tomagotchi
08:01 < Director_X> thanks fenn.
08:01 < Director_X> Why is that ThomasEgi?
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08:02 < ThomasEgi> as fen said . your voltages are too low to do something worthwile
08:03 < ThomasEgi> and even if... there wont be enough overall energy
08:03 < fenn> yeah, tanstaafl.. go get a solar cell
08:04 < ThomasEgi> solar would work a lot better already.
08:05 < ThomasEgi> but probably still not what he is looking for
08:05 < fenn> he only wants the impossible
08:06 < Director_X> is that too much to ask for?
08:06 < ThomasEgi> for powering motors . there is no real way around induction
08:07 < Director_X> maybe a piezo spring with a weight suspended on one and connected to a mechanical energy converter?
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08:08 < fenn> go get one of those shake 'em flashlights and see how much energy you get out of shaking a weight
08:08 < ThomasEgi> a motor eats some 50mA
08:08 < fenn> a tiny one
08:09 < ThomasEgi> those energy harvesting things produc 3 orders of magnitude less
08:10 < Director_X> I need 3v, 95mA for 15 min run time
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08:10 < Director_X> 3 day charge time
08:11 < ThomasEgi> then get a mini helicopter battery and inductlve charging
08:11 < ThomasEgi> sry4 typos. im on a new layout.
08:11 < fenn> hell you could probably charge a capacitor from stray radio waves
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08:12 < ThomasEgi> fenn.. which makes then thing run how many seconds?.. 2?
08:12 < fenn> uh, yeah
08:13 < Director_X> fenn, I like those shake light chargers.  I wonder if I could use a magnet-weighted spring to mimick the same effect?
08:13 < fenn> anyway, i dont do hypothetical engineering, share your idea or gtfo
08:13 < ThomasEgi> http://discuss.biohack.me/discussion/55/lovetron9000-content-warning
08:13 < ThomasEgi> i guess..
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08:14 < fenn> i see. inductive charging it is then
08:14 < Director_X> damn,
08:15 < ThomasEgi> same conclusion on my end
08:15 < fenn> good luck trying to explain that, if you ever get laid
08:16 < ThomasEgi> put a magnet in your hand and stroke-charge
08:16 < Director_X> I have a magnet in my hand
08:17 < ThomasEgi> strong one
08:17 < Director_X> I pick up paper clips.  its not that strong
08:18 < Director_X> also, it's in my left hand and I'm a righty
08:19 < fenn> Director_X: you know you can buy a wearable version for not very much
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08:20 < Director_X> yeah, but it ruins the element of surprise
08:20 < fenn> not sure i believe the 40 minute run time http://www.amazon.com/Minute-Vibrating-Performance-Penis-Ring/dp/tech-data/B002UKTWV6
08:20 < ThomasEgi> unless you feel like implanting a fleshlight (pun intended) it would be the inductive way to go.
08:21 < Director_X> there is a big market for these things in the body modification community beleive it or not.
08:23 < Director_X> sell them for $1000 a peice easy
08:24 < fenn> better have insurance in case one explodes then
08:24 < Director_X> covered
08:24  * fenn cringes at the thought
08:25 < Director_X> worst case senerio, I need a prosthetic.  god help them then
08:25 < Director_X> joking
08:26 < fenn> read "more than the sum of his parts"
08:26 < fenn> http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/more-than-the-sum-of-his-parts/
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08:32 < kanzure> where is genehacker
08:45 < Director_X> sweet.  good story fenn.  lets do that instead.
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09:36 < kanzure> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/03/09/patent-overhaul-bill-passes-in-us-senate/
09:36 < kanzure> ""The Senate easily passed a bill on Tuesday that would overhaul the nation’s patent system, giving the Patent and Trademark Office more flexibility to control its own financing and changing the system to one that rewards the first inventor to file a valid application."
09:36 < kanzure> "The change in the application system was favored by the large technology and pharmaceutical companies, which argued that it would put the United States in sync with other national patent offices around the world and make it easier to settle disputes about who has the right to a certain innovation."
09:36 < kanzure> "Many smaller companies and inventors opposed the change, however, arguing that it favored companies that could hire legions of lawyers to quickly file applications for new permutations in manufacturing or product design.""
09:49 < fenn> meh
09:49 < fenn> business as usual
09:49 < fenn> they should get rid of the 1896 style typography requirements while at it
09:50 < kanzure> we should go to libya and claim we're the new libyan people's republic's patent office
09:50 < kanzure> and just do things right.
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10:30 < ybit> ping jebba
10:30 < ybit> adafruit has the best captcha
10:30 < ybit> bottom of page: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/03/09/patent-overhaul-bill-passes-in-us-senate/
10:34 < ybit> best meaning my favorite
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11:00 < fenn> completely automated program to tell humans and colorblind humans apart
11:03 < kanzure> http://www.treehotel.se/sv/rummen/the-cabin
11:03 < kanzure> (url is mostly self-explanatory)
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16:35 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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17:16 < Lukas> Good evening
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18:17 < ybit> jebba: i'll ping you tomorrow i suppose :P
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20:06 < kanzure> beep
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20:52 < jebba> pong ybit
20:52 < jebba>  :)
21:10 < ybit> jebba: pongy poo
21:10 < ybit> i've really got to stop it with the cheesy pingy poo/pongy poo
21:11 < ybit> jebba: who's my little pingy poo?
21:11 < ybit> jebba: ybit: you're my little pongy poo.
21:12 < ybit> riight.
21:12 < ybit> i'm having filesystem read/write errors, corrupted fs :\
21:13 < ybit> all those papers fenn and kanzure gave me :\
21:14 < ybit> then there were the papers i personally retrieved, and all the servers that i was given permission to rape
21:14 < ybit> maybe it can be recovered
21:16 < ybit> 06:51 < kanzure> DNA logic gates called 'transcriptional switches'
21:16 < ybit> 06:51 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Wittig_cohort
21:16 < ybit> kanzure: whatever happened to this?
21:19 < ybit> kanzure: you are the fourth search result, heybryan.org/winfree.html, for the term +winfree biological transistor
21:21 < ybit> the first for winfree logic gates
21:23 < ybit> http://www.dna.caltech.edu/DNAresearch_publications.html
21:23 < ybit> i remember reading that winfree page on heybryan
21:24 < ybit> but i forget all of it
21:24 < ybit> <- fail
21:27 < ybit> the paper that got all the attention back in the day :: http://www.dna.caltech.edu/Papers/DNA_logic_circuits2006.pdf :: "Enzyme-Free Nucleic Acid Logic Circuits."
21:40 < kanzure> there's a recent winfree-lab paper where they used DNA to construct 2D patterns of carbon nanotube circuits
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21:40 < kanzure> by recent i mean 'more recent' not 'this year'
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23:49 < ybit> Microfluidic logic gates and timers
23:50 < ybit> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Microfluidic+logic+gates+and+timers
23:50 < ybit> first link
23:51 < ybit> anyone able to retrieve?
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