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02:37 < dbolser> any spork::c5 users?
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06:39 < fenn> oh maybe i'll go down and watch the tsunami
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08:07 < fenn> omg it's easier to get a live stream from the space station than my own beach
08:08 < kanzure> perv :p
08:09 < JayDugger> Disaster pornography?
08:10 < JayDugger> That's a vice, you know.
08:17 < fenn> think i see somethin http://cams.exploratorium.edu:8010/
08:19 < fenn> nevermind, watch cnn it's more exciting
08:20 < JayDugger> Entertainment usually beats real-life in that department.
08:21 < fenn> have you seen the wave footage from japan?
08:22 < JayDugger> No. Twitter suggests it is quite frightening. Have you seen any from Hawaii?
08:28 < JayDugger> That's weird...oil went down?
08:28 < fenn> apparently nothing much happened in hawaii
08:28 < JayDugger> That's encouraging.
08:29 < JayDugger> (I was stationed there.)
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11:29 < kanzure> dwx editor by dassault for linux http://www.fcsuper.com/swblog/?p=2662
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11:54 < kanzure> saurik: hey, thanks for running cyrket
11:55 < kanzure> i was going to scrape the android market for data on the distribution of top downloaded apps but your data set has this
11:55 < kanzure> do you mind if i scrape your scrape so i can compute averages? or is there a torrent somewhere
11:57 < fenn> is dwg just 2d?
11:57 < kanzure> yes
11:57 < kanzure> hrmw ait
11:57 < kanzure> i have only ever seen 2d dxf and dwg files
11:58 < kanzure> but there's stuff like http://www.cadforum.cz/cadforum_en/qaID.asp?tip=4076
11:58 < kanzure> or http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2005/03/great_realworld.html
11:59 < kanzure> maybe that's just the name of another file format ("3D-DWF")
11:59 < kanzure> i have provided nothing of vaule here :)
11:59 < kanzure> dwf != dwg; dwf is "design web format" and not the autodesk dxf stuff
12:10 < fenn> dwg is 2d and 3d but apparently draftsight only supports 2d
12:10 < saurik> kanzure: cyrket isn't currently being updated, so the data is a month or so out of date (google turns the screws down on me more recently, and I have been way way too busy with cydia 1.1 to work on cyrket)
12:13 < saurik> (if that doesn't matter for your purpose I can run a query against my database for you, which might save you a bunch of time)
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12:15 < kanzure> saurik: a query would be awesome; something like package name + download-rating-category-thingy
12:15  * kanzure was just writing a python scraper.. :shame:
12:17 < kanzure> scraper: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/cyrket_scraper.py
12:17 < kanzure> this was from before i realized you run this site ;)
12:21 < saurik> (it used to be that the site would ban you if you did that, but I haven't been caring as much, and certainly not since it hasn't been updated)
12:21 < saurik> (people pretty much just scrape it and run their own websites using it as an elaborate datafeed)
12:21 < kanzure> hehe
12:22 < kanzure> i'm doing due diligence so i have real numbers when i pitch something
12:22 < kanzure> from what i can tell, top 1k apps have 50k downloads
12:22 < kanzure> top 5k have at least 10k
12:22 < fenn> why doesn't google just provide an api for the android market data?
12:22 < kanzure> top 10k have at least 5k
12:23 < kanzure> top 20k have at least 1k
12:23 < kanzure> and then it drops like a rock after that
12:23 < kanzure> but averages would be better
12:24 < fenn> O_o 3.7 trillion android apps have been downloaded so far?
12:25 < saurik> http://test.saurik.com/kanzure/cyrket-20110311-downloads.txt
12:25 < saurik> -----------+--------+--------
12:25 < saurik>            |        |    640
12:25 < saurik>     250000 |        |   1029
12:25 < saurik>      50000 | 200000 |   2820
12:25 < saurik>       5000 |   5000 |   5426
12:25 < saurik>         50 |     50 |   6000
12:25 < saurik>        500 |    500 |   7583
12:25 < saurik>      10000 |  40000 |   8097
12:25 < saurik>       1000 |   4000 |  16288
12:25 < saurik>        100 |    400 |  16375
12:25 < saurik>          0 |     50 | 100042
12:25 < saurik> that's the distribution
12:25 < saurik> damn, lost the header
12:25 < kanzure> hooray
12:25 < saurik>  downloads | range  | count
12:25 < saurik> the range is because android's data is like 0-50
12:25 < kanzure> thank you
12:25 < saurik> the .txt is the full dataset
12:25 < saurik> 5000/5000 means 5000-10000, not exactly 5000
12:25 < kanzure> you make the world suck just a little less
12:25 < saurik> like, total+length
12:26 < kanzure> hm
12:26 < kanzure> fenn: show math
12:27 < saurik> kanzure: actually, http://test.saurik.com/kanzure/cyrket-20110311-downloads-price.txt <- better (it includes the price, which is probably important)
12:27 < fenn> kanzure:  data from http://www.androlib.com/appstats.aspx
12:27 < saurik> (but the price can change over time, and that's a static price)
12:28 < kanzure> hrm
12:29 < kanzure> wait, why is it 500/500 and 5000/5000 not 500/1000 and 5000/10000
12:29 < kanzure> the headers are this, right? downloads (min) | downloads (max) | count
12:29 < saurik> because I wanted a null value in the second field to mean 0
12:29 < saurik> the header there was:
12:29 < saurik> 20:25:24 < saurik>  downloads | range  | count
12:29 < saurik> I pasted it after I said I lost it
12:29 < saurik> the range is "length"
12:29 < saurik> 20:25:51 < saurik> 5000/5000 means 5000-10000, not exactly 5000
12:29 < saurik> 20:25:54 < saurik> like, total+length
12:30 < kanzure> oh i didn't see "total+length"
12:30 < saurik> well, not a null value
12:30 < kanzure> makes more sense :)
12:30 < saurik> null means "doesn't apply"
12:30 < saurik> but I wanted a default
12:30 < saurik> < 0
12:30 < saurik> like, 250000/null is 250000+
12:30 < kanzure> yeah i get it now
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12:31 < kanzure> saurik: btw, i'm making a beta management service for android apps
12:32 < kanzure> "mechanical turk of mobile testing"
12:32 < saurik> so the idea is that people sign up with this service to get early access to products in exchange for feedback and testing?
12:32 < kanzure> nno
12:32 < kanzure> no
12:33 < kanzure> company pays testers to test apps on demand
12:33 < kanzure> developers use my android sdk to capture bug reports and feedback
12:34 < kanzure> eventually more than android, but "device fragmentation" is a big problem
12:34 < kanzure> chase bank can't afford to lose 30,000 customers because the app doesn't work on something that wasn't tested
12:35 < kanzure> (to be fair, they wouldn't lose the customers, but maybe the app is unusable, etc.)
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12:43 < kanzure> saurik: thanks a million for that
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12:49 < fenn> 
12:49 < kanzure> fenn: my notes say 3.7 billion app downloads
12:53 < kanzure> fenn: yeah, http://www.androlib.com/appstats.aspx shows 3.7 billion
12:56 < kanzure> actually these numbers have to be fake
12:56 < kanzure> it claims 3.2 million new apps were published last month?
12:56 < kanzure> but that on average 1100 new apps are published per day http://www.androlib.com/gd/stats/newappsbyday.aspx
12:57 < kanzure> oh ok. it's not 3.2 million, but rather 32k http://www.androlib.com/gd/stats/newappsbymonth.aspx
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14:20 < kanzure> kicked off my own panel :( http://schedule.sxsw.com/events/event_IAP5705
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16:44 < uniqanomaly> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/03/did-the-fdas-jeffrey-shuren-mislead-a-congressional-hearing/
16:44 < uniqanomaly> wtf am I reading
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17:40 < kanzure> neat, paul had an article in 2004 arguing my points about liberal licensing and charities
17:40 < kanzure> http://www.pdfernhout.net/open-letter-to-grantmakers-and-donors-on-copyright-policy.html
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18:38 < kanzure> Tyrant: how did BIL go?
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18:41 < ybit> has anyone tryed piracetam or l-glutamine supplements?
18:42 < ybit> i bought this in 2005: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00014D2KU?ie=UTF8&redirect=true
18:42 < ybit> didn't notice anything
18:47 < ybit> ritalin sucks
18:48 < ybit> modafinil is awesome, but expensive
18:48  * ybit is also considering adderall
20:12 < jrabbit> it works.
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22:59 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
23:02  * kanzure picked up tom mccabe, michael vassar and roy up from the airport
23:03 < kanzure> dropped two of them off at natasha's.. i get the straggler i guess
23:03 < JayDugger> Good deed for the day: check.
23:03 < JayDugger> Heh, heh.
23:03 < JayDugger> Good deed for tomorrow: check.
23:08 < JayDugger> What's the occasion of the visits?
23:13 < kanzure> sxsw
23:13 < kanzure> freeloading
23:14 < JayDugger> Ah. I'd forgotten.
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