--- Log opened Mon Mar 14 00:00:10 2011 00:20 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:54 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:58 < ybit> looking for whole brain simulation of a fruit fly 02:01 < ybit> http://web.neurobio.arizona.edu/Flybrain/html/index.html 02:07 < ybit> how many neurons is the blue brain supposed to be emulating? 02:08 < dbolser> ybit: is that ibm? 02:09 < dbolser> did you see this? http://brainblogger.com/2010/12/18/a-brain-made-of-memristors/ 02:11 < Utopiah> dbolser: yes, posted here last december with http://spectrum.ieee.org/robotics/artificial-intelligence/moneta-a-mind-made-from-memristors/0 02:13 < Utopiah> ybit: http://bluebrain.epfl.ch/page18924.html#13 (but probably outdated) 02:14 < dbolser> Utopiah: I suspected as much 02:18 -!- Juul [~Juul@208-90-213-139.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:18 < JayDugger> Ha! Anders Sandberg's RPG work finally gets published. 02:18 < JayDugger> http://e23.sjgames.com/item.html?id=SJG37-6711 02:19 < JayDugger> Some of it, anyway. 02:22 < ybit> only 50,000 neurons :( 02:22 < ybit> that's disappointing 02:23 < ybit> not even a fourth of the size of a frut fly's brain 02:25 < ybit> what are they doing differently, people have been emulating 50,000 neurons for awhile now 02:29 < ybit> dbolser: thanks for the link, no i didn't see that when it was posted 02:29 < Utopiah> they'd say they do it more realistically (can't say more since I didn't read any of their publication, 0 news on their website either for a while) 02:29 < ybit> and Utopiah thanks for the linkage as well 02:29 < Utopiah> np 02:29 < ybit> their publications are shady on details 02:29 < ybit> time to fix this 03:10 -!- Juul [~Juul@208-90-213-139.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:07 < ybit> welp, think that's about it 04:07 < ybit> gave 700 people the shaft on facebook 04:08 < ybit> left only the people who would be interested in science related matters 04:08 < ybit> about to see if it's worth anything, i just know there has to be a better way 04:09 < ybit> i'm guessing irc + grep + email ftw 04:09 < ybit> and google 04:09 < ybit> and some form of bryan's meetlog 04:09 < JayDugger> Good. Perhaps it'll start a trend. 04:10 < ybit> hrm? 04:10 < JayDugger> I keep offering to block facebook.com for my girlfriend's birthday. She won't accept it, though. 04:12 < ybit> probably should just make a note of all these people, what groups they are in and then never use it again 04:12 < ybit> and rely on email + irc 04:12 < ybit> + google 04:14 < ybit> yup 04:27 < ybit> i'm losing interest in wta-talk and humanity+ mailing lists 04:27 < ybit> i'm tired of circle jerks 04:28 < ybit> not all of it, but maybe i'm just grumpy/tired atm 04:33 < kanzure> ybit: make sure you make a very noisy exit 04:34 < kanzure> carissa just woke me up via phone to ask "are you in NYC" oof 04:35 < kanzure> (the answer is no, and now my ultrathingiverse dream is gone..) 04:36 < kanzure> ybit: since it's an exit, you can be as frank and honest about everything 04:44 < JayDugger> Try switching to the digests for a while. 04:45 < JayDugger> Give it some time, then unsubscribe. 06:35 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 07:09 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:17 -!- strages [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:34 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:03 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:23 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:03 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:04 < JayDugger> What is this, [tt] has a post on the Georgia Guidestones? 09:04 < JayDugger> WTF. 09:05 < JayDugger> !NEWS: America is full of weirdos. Always has been. 09:05 < JayDugger> Just ask the Pilgrims or the Mormons or the Quakers or the etc., etc., etc. 09:06 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 09:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:33 < kanzure> "So, as much as I'd rather be anonymously and insurgently orchestrating the next Golden Age from the comfort of a Secret Fortress of Arrogance deep beneath the Himalayas, you have to make do with the tools at hand" 10:33 < kanzure> bah eric hunting just lost all his hero points 10:34 < kanzure> eric should physically move his house to be on factorefarm 10:46 -!- strages [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:52 < ENKI-][> i don't have posts about the georgia guidestones, but i have a post about the argentine gnomes 11:10 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23 -!- strages [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279559041.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:59 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03 < kanzure> "limitless" looks like it might be an ok movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THE_hhk1Gzc 12:10 < archels> Sounds a lot like a book I once read... 12:11 < archels> Alan Glynn - The Dark Fields 12:11 < archels> I guess the Wall Street part of the story follows pretty naturally from the 'superintelligence' premiss. 12:13 < kanzure> because apparently all people hopped up on smart drugs go play the stock market 12:19 < uniqanomaly> apparently those who play stock market haven't heard about nash equilibrium 12:19 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:21 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:29 -!- ENKI-][ is now known as enki-[quit] 12:30 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:34 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:04 < kanzure> it's funny seeing all these people trying to fix opencascade 13:04 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/oce-dev 13:17 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 < ybit> kanzure: lol 13:22 < ybit> re: make a noisy exit :P 13:23 < ybit> i just needed better oganization of my emails, i think that was the problem 13:26 < kanzure> 4chan busting out a transhumanism discussion http://4chanarchive.org/brchive/dspl_thread.php5?thread_id=2653286&x=Transhumanism+Discussion 13:26 < ybit> i was being swamped with these emails, digest is a good idea.. that's essentially what the labels/archive method has done for me on gmail 13:26 < kanzure> (4chanarchive.org is always ad-spam infested so just use a sandboxed browser) 13:43 < uniqanomaly> prediction: luddites will die out because they're too retarded to move forward xD 13:43 < uniqanomaly> alright, that was too simple 13:45 < uniqanomaly> ok, I was tatally wrong, worms still exist, right 13:47 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:47 < uniqanomaly> question is: retarded or just not developed 13:48 < uniqanomaly> see ya in the future 14:05 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:29 < kanzure> it's really weird seeing max more asking for nootropic advice from the extropians 14:29 < kanzure> all of the responses seem really outdated 14:29 < kanzure> i guess i should just start telling people to read imminst's forums 14:29 < kanzure> http://www.longecity.org/forum/forum/169-nootropics/ 14:30 < uniqanomaly> is he banned from wikipedia? 14:30 < uniqanomaly> alright, not funny 14:32 < kanzure> i doubt wikipedia has more smart drug info than imminst, simply because a lot of imminst's member work has been on random personal experiments (which are probably worthless, but whatever, it's something) 14:37 < QuantumG> uniqanomaly: I imagine honest luddites already have reduced lifespans.. but there's not actually that many of those. 14:38 < uniqanomaly> screw luddites, they will die out soon enough 14:39 < uniqanomaly> although they'll leave their retarded/luddite offspring 14:39 < uniqanomaly> ;< 14:39 < QuantumG> perhaps one day the Earth will become so screwed up that unprotected humans have a much reduced lifespan? 14:40 < uniqanomaly> I hope policy then will be: free upgrades for anyone who isn't luddite 14:40 < QuantumG> or maybe all manual labor will be eliminated by robots and only by becoming sophisticated with technology can you earn a living... although I expect we'll still have a massive welfare system 14:41 < ybit> hrm.... 14:41 < ybit> my most recent google voice transcript is kind of scary :D 14:42 < ybit> Ohh. Ciao, our it okay bye hey, bye bye. But. But bye bye bye bye, okay bye bye okay that. Okay bye. Thanks. Bye. Hello, Okay. Hey I call. Hello. Pat. Bye. Yeah. Hello, but yeah. Hey, bye bye bye. How could. Okay, all I have, Hi Yo. Hey, hey it's. Hello hello, hey ybit. Total loss. Victor hey bye okay bye Work, peace. Hello, the, hey. 14:42 < uniqanomaly> yeah, some socialism would make sense 14:42 < ybit> that was a family member calling me without realizing they were calling, it was just them driving down the road 14:42 < ybit> "hey ybit." is the scary part 14:43 -!- strages [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:43 < ybit> not really scared, just kind of annoyed that they may be keeping up with my online identity 14:44 < kanzure> now you know how i feel ever since "grandma bishop" knows you guys' names 14:54 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:29 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 < kanzure> are any of you looking for a project that might make some money? 15:43 < kanzure> ybit i think you should do what i have in mind but you don't sound interested in anything :P 16:10 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:07 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:30 < JayDugger> Volcano real estate costs for the same reason all real estate costs. 17:30 < JayDugger> 1) Location, location, location. 17:31 < JayDugger> 2) Mad scientists all have too much money for their own good. 17:31 < JayDugger> 2 a) This inflates prices. 17:31 < JayDugger> 2 b) I blame Fannie Mae. 17:31 < JayDugger> 3) Everybody has good reason to conceal their waste heat. 17:32 < JayDugger> 4) Everybody wants cheap thermal power. 17:32 < JayDugger> 5) Tradition. 17:36 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:51 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:53 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:11 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:14 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:28 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:29 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:38 < kanzure> ugh humanity+ won't pay their bill 19:39 < JayDugger> No volcano base for thee. 19:40 < JayDugger> Are you liable for the debt? 19:44 < kanzure> no it was contracting work 19:44 < kanzure> and they were going to pay me hourly 19:44 < JayDugger> Oh, owed to you then? 19:44 < JayDugger> Lame... 19:44 < kanzure> i quoted them a stupid low rate because i was being nice and underpricing myself by about $60/hour 19:45 < JayDugger> You know better now, right? 19:45 < QuantumG> why'd you tweet that Daniel Werneck douch? 19:45 < kanzure> me? 19:46 < kanzure> so what's really lame is that tom's in my extra room right now 19:46 < kanzure> if he's president of humanity+ shouldn't i just go break his legs or something 19:46 < QuantumG> sure 19:46 < kanzure> i'm not even charging him for his week-long stay for sxsw 19:46 < JayDugger> No, but you should ask for your money. 19:46 < JayDugger> Politely. 19:46 < kanzure> rooms are going for $500/day since everything is booked beyond supply 19:47 < kanzure> which is kind of dumb since $3,500 is more than what h+ owes me 19:47 < kanzure> honestly it's kind of not worth my time to argue over <$3,000 19:47 < JayDugger> Then forgive the debt and remember the problem. 19:48 < ferrouswheel> kanzure are they debating that you are owed the money or just taking forever to process it? 19:48 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:48 < JayDugger> QuantumG, as preparation for arguing with my ignorant co-workersl 19:49 < JayDugger> s/l./ 19:49 < JayDugger> s/l/./ 19:49 < kanzure> ferrouswheel: they are tacking on more items that are unfinished 19:49 < kanzure> because it wasn't really a formal contract that we started with.. "port drupal site to wordpress" 19:49 < QuantumG> great.. there *is* no safe level of radiation.. there's just various degrees of bad 19:50 < JayDugger> Fair point. I mean "commonly acceptable risk" by "safe." 19:51 < ferrouswheel> So do the unfinished things and charge for more hours? Or was the agreement a fixed number of hours for a task? 19:51 < ferrouswheel> kanzure - after I once did work without a formal contract and spent months chasing the money (which I really needed at the time) I swear I'm always going to insist on a contract now. With late payment penalties. 19:52 < kanzure> bbl 19:52 < kanzure> taking tom to dinner? 19:53 < JayDugger> Have fun! 19:54 < JayDugger> I don't see the American NRC banning granite counter-tops anytime soon. 19:56 < JayDugger> What questions did you ask Eric Lerner on The Space Show, BTW? 19:59 < QuantumG> I believe I said something like "every time you talk about space you bore me to death.. and this is apparently the space show.. so try again" 20:00 < JayDugger> Ha. 20:00 < QuantumG> he did say a couple of interesting things though 20:00 < QuantumG> someone called in who had obviously read my blog post.. didn't remember much of it.. and asked Lerner how he'd do it. 20:01 < QuantumG> Lerner talked about running more than one focus fusion chamber off the same capacitor bank 20:01 < QuantumG> it's the first time I've ever heard him describe a rocket that might actually work 20:04 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. Time to commute. 20:04 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 20:32 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:29 < ybit> kanzure: yeah, it's a good idea, but i'm not interested in starting anything right now 21:36 -!- ybit is now known as yottabit 21:36 -!- yottabit is now known as ybit 21:40 < kanzure> ybit: you don't know the idea :) 21:40 < kanzure> i'm looking to find someone i know to do this instead of me doing it 21:40 < kanzure> because i'm busy with a few things right now 21:40 < kanzure> and better a friend than .. well, someone not a friend 21:41 < kanzure> basically, sedo.com is a market for buying/selling domain names 21:41 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 < kanzure> i hate squatters as much as the next guy 21:41 < kanzure> but what if domain owners (who don't want to sell for a low price) could lease their domain out? 21:42 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"] 21:42 < kanzure> users would pay a monthly rent and the contract could specify "2 years at $50/mo and at any time buy out for $10k" 21:42 < kanzure> something like 130 million registered domains, i figure 1 million that might be interesting 21:42 < kanzure> .. at best. 21:43 < kanzure> so the concept is to make a company that arranges that and does auto-payment for everything, and takes 10% 21:44 < kanzure> there are other contracts possible, like % of revenue, % equity of a company, or anything else really 21:45 < kanzure> owners who want to sell for $1M are out of luck- that rarely happens, and they should adjust their market prices down to meet demand 21:45 < kanzure> i.e., nobody is going to buy banana.com for $20M 21:46 * ybit gives the thumbs up 21:46 < kanzure> but if you're really holding out for that mega-buyout, then renting/leasing makes more sense 21:47 < kanzure> so again, i don't have time for this 21:47 * ybit is still passing 21:47 < kanzure> and better one of you freaks than some other freak 21:47 < kanzure> bah 21:47 < kanzure> you're lame 21:47 < ybit> i know 21:47 < kanzure> i've pitched you porn, hardware, domain names, nootropics, dna synthesis, what's the deal 21:47 < ybit> wait, porn, when? 21:47 < kanzure> forget it 21:48 < kanzure> :p 21:48 < ybit> i'm barely doing good to stay afloat, i am lame 21:48 < ybit> think i gave all the reasons a few weeks ago 21:50 < kanzure> ferrouswheel: ok, i broke tom's legs 21:50 < kanzure> he says he'll pay. 21:50 < ybit> heh 21:51 < kanzure> Tyrant: he has like a direct line to peter thiel's phone and inbox if you want me to put any good words for you 21:51 < kanzure> *put in 21:52 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57 < Tyrant> Sorry who does? 21:57 < Tyrant> And yes that'd be great, thank you 21:57 < kanzure> tom 21:57 < Tyrant> I'll bee meeting him on the 2nd day of the final round so that'll really help 21:58 < kanzure> tom mccabe.. he's doing 20under20 too except for some reason he knows peter 21:58 < kanzure> damn fucken nepotism and bullshit 21:58 < kanzure> i just call it as i see it 21:59 < Tyrant> it's the way the world runs unfortunately 22:00 < kanzure> nah that's just what you're taught 22:05 < Tyrant> How does tom know Thiel? 22:05 < Tyrant> Only tom mccabe's i've found are some really old guy 22:07 < kanzure> listed at the bottom here: http://humanityplus.org/about/board/201008elections/ 22:15 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:17 < Tyrant> yale? nice 22:18 < Tyrant> im curious to see the qualifications of all the other candidates 22:18 < Tyrant> everyone i've heard of so far is like stanford, yale, mit, etc. 22:19 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:21 < kanzure> lol what why is life extension foundation paying $15,000 for their ad to be on hplusmagazine.com 22:22 < Tyrant> nice 22:22 < Tyrant> lol 22:22 < kanzure> out of 272,000 impressions the ad has had 442 clicks 22:22 < kanzure> $33/click. nice. 22:24 < Tyrant> over what time period? 22:25 < kanzure> 3 months 22:25 < kanzure> this is all so sad 22:25 * kanzure gets back to work on stuff that matters 22:26 < Tyrant> well i hope they converted on every oen of those clicks 22:27 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:27 < kanzure> probably not 22:27 < kanzure> nobody has 100% conversion 22:39 < Tyrant> well sucks for them 22:43 -!- alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279559041.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:43 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:57 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Mar 15 00:00:10 2011