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06:31 < Daeken> anyone going to the humanity+ @ parsons nyc thing?
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07:05 < JayDugger> Not me, no.
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07:38 < kanzure> Daeken: i might, if only because they are paying me to
07:38 < Daeken> word
07:42 < JayDugger> Hs!
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07:42 < JayDugger> Sigh. "Ha!"
07:42 < JayDugger> Better.
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07:47 < Lukas> Good morning
07:47 < JayDugger> Good morning, Lukas.
07:48 < Lukas> It's been a while, how are things?
07:49 < JayDugger> Work had a surge of stupidity and my relevant side projects stalled.
07:49 < JayDugger> No real complaints.
07:50 < Lukas> Started any new projects?
07:50 < JayDugger> Not relevant to the chat, unfortunately.
07:51 < JayDugger> And you?
07:59 < Lukas> The iGEM team is beginning to get moving, we've got some professors that are going to speak to us on Wednesday so that we can decide what projects are feasible
08:00 < JayDugger> Excellent.
08:00 < Lukas> other than that, I am thinking of a way to help get biohack.me some momentum so that we can actually start working on projects
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08:55 < kanzure> MIND = BLOWN
08:55 < kanzure> http://helloracer.com/webgl/
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08:59 < ThomasEgi> movement is.. very jerky
08:59 < kanzure> what browser
09:01 < ThomasEgi> chromium
09:02 < ThomasEgi> fps is fine.. it feels a bit like someone used integers for calculations^^
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12:16 < ybit> so, um, i played my first d&d game last night
12:16 < ybit> and i dreamed about the funny adventures we had
12:17 < ybit> http://singularityhub.com/2010/04/20/transhumanism-gets-its-own-role-playing-game/
12:17 < ybit> i really want to play eclipse phase now
12:18 < ybit> except, i want an rpg where the players knowledge in the scieces is needed for advancement
12:18 < ybit> maybe that's called rl
12:21 < ybit> turns out there's a lot of h+ talk going on in rpgnet forums because of this game
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12:50 < ybit> http://had.co.nz/ggplot/
12:56 < kanzure> jrayhawk: see? +1 for evidence that (for some reason or another) eclipse phase is only now getting somewhat common
13:01 < ybit> because i am obviously a commoner :D
13:01 < ybit> coffee + unsweetened tea ftw
13:02 < ybit> so, my prototype looks too much like github
13:02 < ybit> time to change
13:03 < ybit> i'm interested in generating random graphs in the header if the user has js enabled
13:03 < ybit> maybe i should be using raphealjs, dunno
13:04 < ybit> jrayhawk: if you play ep, i'll gladly waste a night of my life playing with you
13:05 < jrayhawk> i have no idea why kanzure is mentioning me; i don't actually care about or like tabletop rpgs in almost any context
13:05 < kanzure> yes but i was complaining to you about eclipse phase
13:05 < kanzure> something about jules, i'm sure
13:05 < jrayhawk> jules is far more likely
13:09 < ybit> for more on the popularity: http://eclipsephase.com/posthuman-2010-year-end-review
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13:16 < ybit> also that bulletproof exec talk wasn't the greatest
13:16 < ybit> kanzure, why didn't you might should have taken a shot at this guy :|
13:17 < ybit> er
13:17 < ybit> -"why didn't"
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13:27 < kanzure> i still don't get your sentence
13:35 < ybit> when you were at BIL
13:35 < ybit> maybe it was a different bil
13:37 < ybit> http://www.bulletproofexecutive.com/new-video-dave-aspreys-the-upgraded-self-top
13:38 < ybit> it wasn't terrible talk, but he stated that if you get enough vitamin d, sunscreen isn't needed, and he also stated that you get enough vitamin d from 30 mins of exposure to the sun
13:39 < ybit> so..he's telling me if i stay in the sun for 30 mins each day, i can continue to just skip along the riverbanks for a few more hours without having to worry about sunburn :)
13:39 < ybit> i'm not buying it
13:40 < ybit> and he promotes some gadget from some crazy institution
13:41 < ybit> heartful brain institute or something, i'm too lazy to search through my history for it unless others are interested in discussing it
13:44 < kanzure> i was not at BIL
13:45 < ybit> oh, j.jackson did the bil, i just figured that's where you were
13:45 < ybit> iftf it was
13:47 < kanzure> venter institute might be doing a community diybio lab
13:47 < kanzure> as organized by phil goetz (an employee.. but also long-time transhumanist that you should all already know)
13:47 < kanzure> survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TB79QY6
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14:43 < ybit> so..skdb..i want a variation of it specifically for science projects
14:43 < ybit> could just build off of mercurial
14:46 < kanzure> someone (eric meltzer?) is making openprotocols.net
14:46 < kanzure> but it's not really a protocol metadata thingy, but more of a social play
14:46 < kanzure> i.e. meltzer wants his site to get popular through the typical social play..
14:47 < kanzure> but part of that involves typing up protocols into a better format.. not a much better format, but a format slightly better than "here's a block of text"
14:57 < kanzure> ybit: you should also take a look at jonathan cline's work,
14:57 < kanzure> http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/290
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15:32 < kanzure> jrayhawk: how's your old monitor knowledge?
15:32 < kanzure> i'm trying to figure out what this is: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_USC-UWiw_Bk/TEW2u_eZ1LI/AAAAAAAAFN8/s3Ch5A4CF3U/s1600/Escape_From_New_York_Wireframe.jpg
15:32 < kanzure> the closest i've found is ibm 5151 and the 'hero graphics card'
15:32 < kanzure> http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u21826/flightsim-hgc.gif
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15:50 < kanzure> this seems close enough for any practical purposes:
15:50 < kanzure> http://www.gamedev.net/topic/478351-trouble-with-a-bloom-filter/
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16:11 < ybit> thanks again kanzure
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18:07 < fenn> that's a vector display
18:10 < fenn> oh, it's a movieOS autopilot
18:14 < fenn> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?HollywoodOs
18:17 < ThomasEgi> lol at that link^^
18:19 < kanzure> fenn: http://www.macstories.net/mac/cathode-is-a-vintage-terminal-for-os-x/
18:20 < fenn> yeah we watched ascii star wars on that
18:20 < kanzure> oops i guess i meant http://www.secretgeometry.com/apps/cathode/
18:21 < kanzure> "Disregard thirty years of GUI advancement by immersing yourself in full-screen mode."
18:21 < kanzure> "advancement"
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18:22 < fenn> yeah google maps doesn't come close to the information saliency of this 1980's application http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_v4fVmLOKgjo/Rsm2KBih_zI/AAAAAAAAAg8/DfEyy22NWaI/s1600-h/nyst01.jpg
18:23 < kanzure> example: google maps totally doesn't indicate where manhatten island prison ends and where manhatten island begins
18:24 < Juul> kanzure, are you coming to SynBio 5.0
18:25 < Juul> ?
18:25 < kanzure> also, higher quality image of that, fenn:
18:25 < kanzure> http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics/1.JPG?0.7759672834821953
18:25 < kanzure> i wish my computer looked like that all the time :(
18:25 < kanzure> Juul: nah
18:25 < Juul> k
18:29 < kanzure> "All communications with advanced pieces of hardware/software can be accomplished simply by typing green text on a black screen."
18:29 < kanzure> good to know
18:29 < kanzure> clearly i've been doing it wrong and need to change from yellow/white to green/orange
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18:59 < ybit> kanzure: do you still have nature 2008 dump?
18:59 < ybit> my sata drive died and a friend in some far away universe wants them
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19:13 < ybit> it didn't die, i just suck at recovering the data
19:13 < ybit> fs errors
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19:24 < kanzure> yes i stll have lots and lots of data
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19:26 < ybit> kanzure: in ~/bryan/?
19:35 < kanzure> do you need it?
19:37 < jrayhawk> I expect it's a slightly customized vector-instruction CRT out of an arcade cabinet
19:38 < jrayhawk> or, rather, the hardware isn't customized, but the game it was originally based on is
19:38 < kanzure> "this is what the future of computer graphics will be, man"
19:38 < kanzure> google maps 1980
19:39 < jrayhawk> vector CRTs are pretty cool, so i am totally down with that
19:44 < jrayhawk> by-hand compositing is another option
19:44 < jrayhawk> it sure doesn't look rasterised
19:46 < kanzure> i've seen this sort of style in other movies, but i'm not sure which :(
19:47 < kanzure> it's like they are almost saying "hey world, we wanted some cool computer screencaps so instead we stole a buncha neon signs and arranged them like this."
19:49 < jrayhawk> tron...?
19:51 < kanzure> what?
19:51 < kanzure> oh no i haven't actually seen any of the trons
20:00 < jrayhawk> the second one is vacuous but spectacular
20:00 < kanzure> i've been listening to lots of daft punk lately
20:01 < jrayhawk> if by "lots of" you mean "the tron legacy album" then i am in support
20:01 < jrayhawk> otherwise i am just sorry
20:02 < kanzure> i mean "lots of looping of" the tron legacy album, yes
20:02 < jrayhawk> oh good
20:02 < kanzure> phreedom: why are't we talking in here
20:03 < kanzure> this is stupid..
20:03 < jrayhawk> let me know if i should give ybit access to cysteine
20:03 < kanzure> they are all scared shitless to even mention the word "papers" in here
20:05 < phreedom> kanzure: replied in private :D
20:07 < kanzure> so, i'm a little concerned about the privacy fearmongering
20:07 < kanzure> first as a practical matter, i am tired of updating everyone each time someone tries to talk with me privately
20:07 < phreedom> it's standard practice rather than fearmongering
20:08 < kanzure> further, keeping track of all of my damn private conversations in meetlog.txt is hard when i can't do computational analysis on everything i'm forgetting to tell people about
20:08 < kanzure> there's a time and place for privacy.. like when you deploy infrastructure
20:08 < fenn> like when you're a double triple agent
20:09 < phreedom> which is quickly raided if it's known who is behind
20:09 < phreedom> ....
20:09 < phreedom> *it
20:10 < kanzure> egorochkin from donetsk
20:10 < kanzure> there, you're fucked now
20:10 < kanzure> now can we please stop beating from behind the bush?
20:10 < jrayhawk> NEVER
20:11 < fenn> i believe in TOR
20:11 < phreedom> ok this makes no sense
20:11 < phreedom> and you know why
20:11 < kanzure> i think we should talk about it
20:12 < jrayhawk> it's not me, it's you
20:12 < jrayhawk> oh wait, different kind of talk
20:12 < kanzure> so, worst case scenario
20:13 < kanzure> is that we get everyone to contribute to some sort of paperleaks.org site
20:13 < kanzure> and totally blow up the copyright-publisher-assfucking model
20:13 < kanzure> and then what? companies sue you or me?
20:13 < kanzure> they don't let me publish in their journals any more?
20:13 < kanzure> i can't live in the US?
20:13 < kanzure> i'm perfectly fine with a completely anonymously run paperleaks.org service
20:14 < kanzure> wikileaks is a bad example of how to run a private operation
20:14 < jrayhawk> The US or anywhere with active Berne enforcement, which practically means any WTO country
20:15 < kanzure> len sassaman and a few others from the old cypherpunks group were actively putting together a "good" wikileaks infrastructure
20:15 < kanzure> basically they realized that the guys running wikileaks.org were probably incompetent when it came to really really good security
20:15 < kanzure> i mean, the type of security, privacy and safety you need when you're afraid of basically every government
20:15 < kanzure> (coincidentally this brand of paranoia requires killing all humans)
20:15 < jrayhawk> i thought freenet already existed
20:16 < jrayhawk> i wonder if freenet is actually stable yet
20:16 < phreedom> kanzure: if you don't like privacy, you can't start posting your passwords here in this public, logged and google-indexed channel
20:17 < kanzure> i didn't say i don't like privacy, i just think that we have basically nothing worth keeping private right now
20:17 < phreedom> *can
20:17 < phreedom> kanzure: which is not correct
20:17 < kanzure> how do i know that if you keep making it private from me?
20:18 < phreedom> I don't  mind explaining it privately
20:18 < kanzure> i don't think there's much to explain
20:18 < kanzure> but i do think that everyone else in here has good insights into secure infrastructures like what would be required for a distributed paper fetching service
20:18 < kanzure> (well, maybe not everyone)
20:19 < phreedom> so you have just provided a list of suspects, on the record
20:19 < phreedom> good job
20:26 < kanzure> fenn: thoughts?
20:34 < kanzure> for a book written in the 80s(?) it's surprisingly specific about "developing 5 fablabs by 2015"
20:34 < kanzure> http://www.luf.org/Strategic%20Plan/img1.html
20:37 < phreedom> kanzure: all I can say is that to me it appears like you don't have a very good idea of how wikileaks-like orgs are planned, run; what kind of troubles they face and how they work around it
20:39 < phreedom> kanzure: considering the way you handle all this, all I help I can offer is wish you good luck and contribute some code when I see a REAL COMMITMENT, that is when my efforts aren't going to be wasted
20:41 < kanzure> arguably, you don't show a good understanding either (you just claim the details are "private")
20:41 < phreedom> when did I claim that the details are private?
20:41 < kanzure> by not talking about them
20:41 < phreedom> all I said is that I refuse to discuss such things in public
20:41 < kanzure> yeah..
20:47 < phreedom> kanzure: if you think you can pull this off by giving everyone a notice long before anything happens, providing enough time to make the leaking effort as hard as possible using technical measures and enough time to collect evidence so that lawsuits and complaints can be filed next day you dare to leak your first paper?
20:47 < phreedom> in theory, this might work, never say no and such
20:48 < phreedom> or maybe your plan is not (only) to leak papers but also go piratebay-style civil disobedience
20:48 < phreedom> I don't know
20:48 < phreedom> but I don't think having 2nd piratebay bunch of guys in jail and with large fines changes anything
20:49 < phreedom> IMHO of course
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21:13 < kanzure> "When whole blood is dropped onto the chip’s inlets, the relatively heavy red and white blood cells settle down into the trenches, separating from the clear blood plasma. The blood moves through the chip in a process called degas-driven flow."
21:17 < fenn> here's a very nice microscopy video montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCmbwSCYF9o&feature=related
21:19 < fenn> i agree, freenet exists, why not use it
21:19 < kanzure> it would compromise our privacy!!!!!111oneone
21:20 < fenn> alternatively, the existing bittorrent pirating infrastructure is not too bad
21:20 < fenn> lots of smarmy sites with ads n stuff though, i doubt they'd care that your papers are holier than jenna jameson does dallas or whatever else they hose
21:20 < fenn> host*
21:20 < ybit> 23:03 < jrayhawk> let me know if i should give ybit access to cysteine
21:20  * ybit is confused 
21:21 < kanzure> it's one of the locations i put a few paper dumps
21:21 < kanzure> on.
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21:23 < ybit> ~bryan/irc i'm guessing
21:24 < kanzure> no
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21:47 < jrayhawk> Yeah, the freenet *model* solves all the technical issues, so there's just the issue of social organization and whether or not the freenet *implementation* will actually work properly today
21:49 < phreedom> jrayhawk: if you consider how much data we are talking about, I doubt it
21:49 < phreedom> it certainly could work sometime in the future
21:51 < phreedom> jrayhawk: freenet is not bad, don't get me wrong
21:51 < phreedom> but it would require quite an effort to make it scale like this
21:51 < phreedom> reliably
21:52 < phreedom> the problem I had encountered in the past is freenet's "short memory"
21:52 < phreedom> that is lack of space in people's containers
22:11 < kanzure> wow i just got paid for my hplusmagazine coding
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23:23 < kanzure> so.. this is what andrew (younger brother) has been up to?
23:23 < kanzure> https://portfolio.du.edu/pc/port?portfolio=abisho33
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23:30 < kanzure> he sent out this spammy email to everyone he knows to "update everyone on all of the wonderful things i'm doing"
23:30 < kanzure> i'm going to ask him to unsubscribe me i think
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