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00:49 < ybit_> alystair: fire away
00:51 < alystair> eh
00:51 < alystair> basically my friend might hang out here once in a while
00:51 < alystair> he's amazing when it comes to GAs, but he suffers from skitzophrenia and isn't receiving proper treatment
00:51 < alystair> I seem to be the only compassionate person in his life
00:52 < alystair> or rather, patient :)
00:52 < alystair> I'm helping rewrite his resume so I can help him apply to some larger companies that could possibly have inside help as well as give him a stable job
00:55 < alystair> he's so detached, you can talk to him online and you might not suspect anything until he brings up the chip in his skull or the faces or noise
00:55 < alystair> I want to help him find more people to talk to to understand that he's a fucking human being :/
00:56 < QuantumG> I know a guy like that.. his name is silvio
00:56 < alystair> and
00:57 < QuantumG> well, knowing this channel, I was about to not be surprised when you said "that's my friend's name!!"
00:57 < alystair> no he's someone else
01:00 < QuantumG> my other friends with mental issues are just manic depressives.. they feel dead on the meds, so they go off them.. people start avoiding them so they go back on them.
01:00 < QuantumG> yoyoing forever
01:01 < alystair> blah
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01:08 < ybit_> never had a friend that was schizo, not that i know of at least
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01:09 < ybit_> maybe try to get him to have a ct scan
01:10 < QuantumG> why?  The hospitals are in on it.
01:10 < ybit_> maybe it would help to talk with him and figure out where his logical infallacy lies first?
01:11 < ybit_> but i guess they convince themselves of something that can't be proved or disproved first off
01:36 < alystair> QuantumG: that shit ain't funny
01:38 < alystair> and it doesn't work that way
01:38 < alystair> even if you could describe the problem it doesn't change the fact that they are haunted 24/7
01:38 < alystair> he needs more friends to be around to distract him from the insanity
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06:09 < fenn> flamoot already demonstrated that this channel does not play well with schizophrenics
06:09 < fenn> frankly, if he's not interested in transhumanist topics, this isn't the right place
06:10 < fenn> if a person can't figure out their own present reality, how are they going to think logically about what is possible in the future?
06:18 < fenn> seriously who does MDMA and then hangs out on IRC? that's just retarded
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07:42 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
07:51 < ThomasEgi> moooh
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13:02 < movvy> hello
13:02 < dbolser> hi
13:03 < dbolser> There were lots of discussions in here about 'synthetic biology', which is a huge potential growth area
13:03  * dbolser goes back to $job
13:03 < movvy> awesome thanks for the heads up, I will see what comes up in here! :)
13:04 < dbolser> check links in topic
13:07 < movvy> hmm
13:07 < movvy> so most bioinformatics must be about gene sequencing and all that good stuff
13:08 < kanzure> what?
13:08 < movvy> I just don't understand how programming has its place in the biotech field
13:08 < kanzure> oh okay
13:08 < kanzure> well, have you seen all of the bioinformatics software
13:08 < kanzure> "all"
13:09 < movvy> nope, as a background I am a starting student with a huge tech and programming background, and start school back this summer in currently what is the biochem program
13:09 < kanzure> also, can someone else fact-check cathal here? he seems to be claiming that you can acquire an allergies to gfp
13:09 < movvy> so im trying to do some research around to see whats most compelling
13:09 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/9f1958f711da0a82
13:09 < movvy> and dbolser recommended me to come here, because I do some work in the vc space with technology
13:10 < movvy> but am very interested in starting or begining to shift my life and focus towards biotech
13:10 < kanzure> vc?
13:10 < kanzure> venture capital?
13:10 < movvy> yes
13:11 < movvy> had some tech companies I'm building get funded
13:11 < kanzure> any firm i might know of?
13:11 < kanzure> oh, you mean you've been funded by vc
13:11 < movvy> yes, not give funding
13:11 < movvy> not yet at least
13:11 < movvy> maybe after these guys sell ;)
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13:12 < movvy> but once these guys develop and sell in the next 3-4 years im hoping to switch over to the biotech field
13:12 < movvy> thats why im starting back in school now
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13:12 < movvy> so I can start getting a few years of learning
13:12 < kanzure> movvy: so where are you with biotech? still need to see the hype or ready to realize the horrible mess it all is
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13:13 < movvy> well honestly.. I just can;t believe so many people die from lung cancer every year.. I would like to help focus on creating fake or artificial organs some day
13:13 < movvy> I gotta imagine a nice set of artificial lungs would save lives and make $$
13:13 < kanzure> lungs can be replaced by ridiculously huge machines right now that oxygenate your blood
13:13 < movvy> yeah but they need a set that goes inside them!
13:14 < kanzure> do you know about organovo and stem cell-based organ printing?
13:14 < movvy> anyways im interested in this kinda stuff
13:14 < movvy> is this where they like print fake skin?
13:14 < kanzure> well, no
13:14 < kanzure> organovo does tissue printing
13:15 < movvy> thats crazy
13:15 < kanzure> one of the famous printeedd bladderrs was just a layer of cells around a balloon (of sorts)
13:15 < movvy> I do a bunch of work for a bio company called Perkin Elmer
13:15 < movvy> not sure if you have heard of them
13:15 < kanzure> jmil (in here) is working on tissue printing on a reprap (an open source 3d printer)
13:15 < dbolser> bladder is a bit of a cheat though... you don't need a circulatory system
13:15 < kanzure> sure, a bladder is pathetic too
13:16 < kanzure> nobody needs a bladder- just hook up some tubes and spit it out of the body
13:16 < dbolser> not that it's not usefull, just not general
13:16 < dbolser> heh
13:16 < kanzure> movvy: you might be interested in watching some of the stuff here
13:16 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/
13:16 < kanzure> and here http://diyhpl.us:9000/random
13:17 < movvy> awesome thanks so much
13:17 < movvy> this is really cool
13:20 < movvy> wow this is freaking amazing
13:20 < movvy> a bio printer...crazy
13:23 < kanzure> i don't mean to be blunt, but you have money?
13:23 < movvy> define
13:24 < kanzure> money to do your own projects that may involve hardware ranging between $2k to $50k in expenses
13:24 < kanzure> here's a list of projects i've been searching for monies for:
13:24 < movvy> yes those are realistic #'s
13:24 < kanzure> er
13:25 < kanzure> one se
13:25 < kanzure> sec
13:25 < movvy> I just spent 30k on a wedding happening next month
13:25 < movvy> sucks
13:25 < movvy> hate / anger :>
13:25 < kanzure> movvy: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diytranshuman_projects.v4.html
13:25 < kanzure> movvy: is the wedding for.. you?
13:25 < movvy> yes
13:26 < kanzure> i think that link is a fairly high-level overview of "awesome things that should be happening right now, but for some reason aren't"
13:27 < movvy> sure, im gonna read through it
13:27 < movvy> kanzure where are you located?
13:27 < kanzure> austin, texas but i should move to the bay area soon
13:28 < movvy> I used to live in the bay area
13:28 < movvy> I left in 09
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13:31 < movvy> some of these are interesting, but alot of them are community driven on open source rather then a specific business
13:32 < kanzure> yes
13:32 < kanzure> in this channel we're really into open source hardware as a platform
13:32 < kanzure> i mean, there's a few potential business models
13:32 < movvy> seems interesting problem is there is no description of what the money is for
13:32 < kanzure> like selling kits, but that's lame
13:32 < movvy> is it for hardware
13:32 < kanzure> yes and for whoever's living expenses to be working on said project
13:33 < kanzure> the other interesting business model is the incubator
13:33 < kanzure> where you accept projects and fund them, but take 5% equity
13:33 < movvy> gotta fund alot to make your money there
13:33 < kanzure> i think that's #13, #16
13:33 < kanzure> yeah
13:34 < kanzure> btw a few of these were written because a friend of mine was pitching a billionaire
13:34 < movvy> I also had my best friend commit suicide over trying to live off the funding of an incubator
13:34 < kanzure> "buy a lobbyist" lolno
13:34 < movvy> so I don't really support them personally
13:34 < movvy> to little funding to ask people to commit to something like a startup
13:34 < kanzure> the thesis is sort of that technology development costs a lot because of Intellectual Property
13:34 < kanzure> whereas people doing open source hardware are /already/ doing these projects anyway, and money will help them succeed
13:34 < kanzure> for instance, the work being done on reprap
13:35 < kanzure> http://gadaprize.org/ <-- i help organize this, but i don't know if it's the best strategy ever
13:36 < movvy> so this printer lets you make circuit boards pretty much
13:37 < movvy> or anything that is plastic?
13:37 < kanzure> well, low-quality PCBs
13:37 < kanzure> there's definitely some restrictions on what you can print, in terms of overhangs and resolution
13:39 < kanzure> heh i forgot to mention this the other day in here, but this is ridiculous:
13:39 < kanzure> http://livesprout.org/ a startup that puts a webcam in front of each plant in their warehouse
13:40 < movvy> lol
13:40 < movvy> it is a bit ridiculous
13:40 < movvy> well kanzure, I like your style some of this is pretty cool
13:40 < movvy> especillay the chromotography one
13:40 < kanzure> movvy: can i pm you briefly?
13:40 < movvy> yes
13:47 < kanzure> thanks
13:56  * kanzure goes back to work on his fortress
14:18 < fenn> you can acquire allergies to just about anything, with appropriate aggravation
14:20 < jrabbit> it sucks so much.
14:21 < jrabbit> I wonder if it makes the immune system stronger like training or weaker because of exhaustion
14:21 < fenn> the latter
14:22 < kanzure> fenn: i'd be seriously careful about h+ right now
14:22 < kanzure> i looked over your email (and it's well written)
14:22 < jrabbit> fenn: figures :P
14:23 < kanzure> but if you're not actually interested in getting money from them, why did you write it?
14:23 < fenn> i didn't say i wasn't interested in getting money :P
14:23 < kanzure> or, if you do want money from them, how are you going to handle that without getting fucked?
14:23 < fenn> i'm going to rely on their incompetence, i guess
14:24 < kanzure> i'm like this dumb animal that keeps getting struck and keeps coming back for more punishment
14:24 < kanzure> stay away from them, i'm sorry i ever suggested it
14:25 < kanzure> jrayhawk: you should be more dilligent about laughing at me for doing these moronic things
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14:36 < fenn> ah good, erik sent me the ultimaker design files
14:37 < kanzure> yeah so ultimaker is a company too?
14:38 < fenn> bleagh don't ask
14:39 < fenn> apparently they are going to go with cc-by-sa-nc
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16:00 < jrayhawk> bart says you're free to call him if you want help setting up your own non-profit
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18:03 < kanzure> fenn: you should see if tom got that email or not, since you sent it from your localhost (gmail probably marked it as spam)
18:04 < kanzure> they are still sending me emails :/
18:04 < kanzure> "To follow up on our recent successes, we're looking to expand even further. We want to start work on some projects that we hope will start a global transhumanist revolution. The four main ones are:"
18:04 < kanzure> " - Development of a new, open-source DNA synthesis machine. Current
18:04 < kanzure> synthesis machines cost tens of thousands of dollars, and each gene
18:04 < kanzure> then costs about $300 per thousand base pairs. By using new technology
18:04 < kanzure> to design a more efficient synthesizer, and then putting the
18:04 < kanzure> blueprints online, we will allow anyone to test new ideas in genetics
18:04 < kanzure> and biology for less than a tenth of the current cost.
18:04 < kanzure> "
18:04 < kanzure> i don't know how an open source synthesizer will lower the bp costs
18:05 < kanzure> actually it's incredibly funny if someone gets this request
18:05 < kanzure> "you guys clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about" hahah
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20:41 < kanzure> i'm also not sure that piercing your ear "and throwing the chunk into a media bath" will do quite what nathan thinks
20:41 < kanzure> are they just trolling everyone now?
20:41 < kanzure> a chunk of human tissue isn't just going to 'take' like that
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22:36 < kanzure> this is lame and should be a blog :/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/csq_vol01_hqweb.pdf
22:36 < kanzure> it's jacob's citizen science quartlery pdf
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