--- Log opened Sun Apr 10 00:00:10 2011
00:03 < movvy> hello
00:03 < movvy> you should wake up
00:03 < movvy> what can tell you right now isn't the time that changes your life
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00:07 < QuantumG> is that sentence supposed to make sense?
00:14 < movvy> i agree thats ridiculous
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00:36 < kanzure> movvy: ok, i'm awake
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05:49 < JayDugger> Heh, heh..."You don't turn a dinosaur into a mammal by explaining the virtues of fur."
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07:22 < faceface> wake up!
07:23 < faceface> any Doors fans?
07:23 < faceface> Jim is pretty cool
07:24 < faceface> bio.cc seems to be down unfortunately
07:29 < kanzure> do you need a place to put the files
07:29 < faceface> yup
07:32 < faceface> I can try bifx.org, but I know they are running low
07:33 < kanzure> jrayhawk: is this something we can handle on cysteine
07:34 < faceface> 4.4G unzipped, currently tgz'ing
07:34 < faceface> (THL)
07:34 < faceface> I'll just check on the JMB job
07:36 < faceface> 1/3 complete (11,323 out of 30,555 pdfs), 23G
07:39 < faceface> I figure I can grab 3-5 more
07:45 < faceface> 3.4G Apr 10 16:40 THL.tar.gz # copying to bifx.org
07:46 < faceface> THL.tar.gz                                      0% 8192KB 356.1KB/s 2:42:52 ETA
07:58  * faceface goes for Drug Discovery Today: Technologies
08:20 < faceface> Open access solutions available for this jorunal!
08:20 < faceface> http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/journaldescription.cws_home/505508/description#description
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08:29 < kanzure> hi movvy
08:33 < faceface> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/17480132 # nano today ?
08:53 < faceface> http://bifx.org/~dmb/DDTT.tar.gz # Drug Discovery Today: Technologies
08:54 < faceface> http://bifx.org/~dmb/DDTDM.tar.gz # Drug Discovery Today: Disease Mechanisms
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09:17 < faceface> I'm tempted to start work on jrnls like nature protocols, but it's such a pain to de-convolute the html
09:17 < faceface> is there some way I can give people proxy access via this server?
09:19 < faceface> email on the 4th of March "your computer account bolser@molgen.mpg.de will expire in about 40 days" ...
09:19 < kanzure> an http proxy? sure.. use squid or something
09:23 < faceface> how many languages are they bundling!
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09:32 < Utopiah> http://marciovm.com/i-want-a-github-of-science
09:34 < kanzure> meh there wasn't much there, Utopiah
09:34 < kanzure> even eric meltzer's spammy "OMG PROTOCOLS, BUT SOCIAL !! WITH LIKES !!" was a better idea
09:38 < faceface> http://bifx.org/~dmb/Nano.tar.gz # Nano Today
09:38 < faceface> hi Utopiah
09:38 < kanzure> how big is that
09:39 < faceface> 271M
09:39 < kanzure> ok. 8min remaining.
09:40 < faceface> 2hours remaining on THL xfer
09:40 < faceface> squid is still configuring...
09:40 < faceface> I'm doubtfull it'll run on the DMZ
09:40 < kanzure> i don't know if squid will do a pass-through proxy like you want, btw
09:41 < faceface> was thinking ssh -D 2343 -g localhost may work, but ssh on DMZ doesn't support -D
09:41 < kanzure> you don't want to give everyone ssh access
09:41 < kanzure> oh, you mean port forwarding over ssh
09:41 < faceface> yeah, ssh (newer) has socks built in
09:42 < faceface> never tried it with -g though
09:43 < faceface> if people promise not to install any 'disruptive technologies', I'd be willing to share the last days of my account there
09:43 < kanzure> that seems like a stretch :p
09:43 < faceface> heh
09:43 < kanzure> since the whole point is to download stuff
09:43 < faceface> sorry, I just mean, not start a hackathin
09:43 < faceface> thon
09:44 < Utopiah> faceface: hi, why do you want a proxy? why not call the script from a ruby/perl/whatever page accepting users target pages?
09:45 < faceface> Utopiah: the ip address of this server gives access to becoup journals
09:45 < kanzure> Utopiah: he wants a proxy to let others (like you and me) to use the machine, without giving us straight up access via ssh
09:45 < faceface> but I'm lame at writing wget scripts
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09:50 < Utopiah> ok, could try http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_proxy.html since you already have Apache running, you can even allow just to proxy content from Elsevier websites
09:51 < faceface> Evangelists for Open Science should focus on promoting new, post-publication prestige metrics that will properly incentivize scientists to focus on the utility of their work, which will allow them to start worrying less about publishing in the right journals.
09:51 < faceface> 100% agree
09:52 < faceface> although at a conference I was at, people were all like, meh, publication schmublication
09:52 < faceface> Utopiah: sorry, the apache instance is a different box
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10:05 < Utopiah> faceface: dirty solution, you add a cron in the other box that hourly wget the source of a wiki page anybody here can edit, append the cleaned URLs list, start the script if it is not running then scp/rsync/whatever back to the server
10:06 < faceface> wow, thats dirty!
10:06 < Utopiah> That's what she said.
10:06 < faceface> heh
10:06 < faceface> but I see that it would work
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10:07 < faceface> you'd just upload a bunch of url's to the wiki, then I'd wget them and send them back, right?
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10:08 < Utopiah> back to http://bifx.org/~dmb/ yes
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10:11 < Utopiah> btw Im no expert but I doubt Elsevier will enjoy crawling too much so I doubt getting an entire archives of journals (unlike random articles) wouldn't trigger their logs, no idea what problem that could cause though
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10:16 < faceface> Utopiah: yeah... I'm figuring something will happen...
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10:19 < faceface> anyone involved in GSoC?
10:19 < faceface> I've founded GSoD : google summer of dissapointment
10:19 < faceface> 'lets do it anyway'
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10:45 < faceface> Utopiah: thinking about your idea, lets just do it informally
10:46 < faceface> anyone who is interested, send me a list of url's by email, and I'll grab them and put them up
10:46 < faceface> if anyone asks, I'll say I was making a private library (which is fine according to someone I spoke to at nature)
10:47 < faceface> this server has direct access to all the journals that the MPIMG has, so it's way more than just Elservier, Nature, Science etc.
10:48 < faceface> s/MPIMG/MPI/
10:50 < faceface> why does squid think I want sweedish error messages?
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13:00 < faceface> http://bifx.org/~dmb/ADDR.tar.gz # Advanced Drug Delivery Reviews
13:02 < faceface> http://bifx.org/~dmb/THL.tar.gz Tetrahedron Letters
13:06 < faceface> JMB is 30 G and counting
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13:20 < faceface> http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2011/04/23andme-sale-on-monday.html
13:20 < faceface> time to sign up my family...
13:29 < kanzure> hi jesperj
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13:41 < jesperj> hello kanzure
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14:04 < kanzure> jesperj: what's up?
14:05 < kanzure> faceface: THL.tar.gz is 403 forbidden
14:14 < jesperj> kanzure: Not much. You? Just checked out http://gnusha.org/skdb/ and since I am very supportive of the idea of copyleft hardware, and am into FOSS, I thought I'd check out what you guys are talking about here.
14:15 < kanzure> :)
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14:45 < faceface> kanzure: weird
14:45 < faceface> did you try any of the others I posted?
14:46 < kanzure> sure
14:46 < kanzure> they all work
14:46 < kanzure> you just need to chmod a+r it
14:47 < faceface> they all have the same perms
14:47 < faceface> it's 3.4G ... I wonder if apache is having a problme
14:47 < faceface> kanzure: you can grab it directly from your bifx account?
14:47 < faceface> I'll chmod a-r
14:48 < faceface> actually, its already set that way
14:48 < kanzure> if you chmod a-r how is anyone (including me on bifx) supposed to read it
14:48 < faceface> sorry +r
14:48 < faceface> can you see /memberroot/dmb/public_html
14:49 < kanzure> i'm not logged in at the moment
14:49 < faceface> or  /memberroot/dmb/public_html/THL.tar.gz
14:49 < faceface> ok, it must be an apache thing... I can check the log
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14:51 < kanzure> faceface: it's still 403 forbidden
14:51 < faceface> kanzure: yup, it has the same perms as all the other tar.gzs
14:52 < faceface> it must be a file size thing
14:54 < faceface> [Sun Apr 10 17:53:28 2011] [error] [client 92.236.231.2] (75)Value too large for defined data type: access to /~dmb/THL.tar.gz failed
14:54 < kanzure> in fact, it's not even listed:
14:54 < kanzure> http://bifx.org/~dmb/
14:54 < faceface> ^^
14:55 < faceface> do I need to set +x on the dirs for you to grab it directly?
14:55 < faceface> you have root there right?
14:56 < kanzure> yeah i can access it.
14:56 < kanzure> the connection is really slow btw
15:01 < faceface> nothing I can do about that I'm afraid
15:01 < faceface> night
15:02 < kanzure> cya
15:02 < faceface> talk to dbolser, but I'll be out
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15:12 < jrayhawk> kanzure: cysteine has piles of space, yes, but obviously access is sort of restrictive
15:13 < jrayhawk> ugh, i should put together the new astroboy so you have more control over that
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15:21 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i assumed you'd say that so cysteine is downloading those files at the moment
15:21 < kanzure> at a crippling speed of 1 lame duck an hour
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16:51 < jrayhawk> anyway, you're welcome to abuse it for whatever
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19:28 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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