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08:27 < kanzure> apparently i never put this online?
08:27 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/thingiverse/2010scraper/thingiverse.py
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09:12 < kanzure> fenn: oh, one of us should eventually add links to examples in package_spec.yaml
09:18 < Drakkar> 'lo folks
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09:25 < kanzure> hello Drakkar
09:33 < kanzure> Drakkar: you seem to be from SA?
09:36 < Drakkar> I am
09:36 < Drakkar> though SA didn't really lead me here
09:36 < Drakkar> I sort of meandered this way on my own
09:41 < kanzure> Drakkar: any reason in particular?
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09:51 < Drakkar> ah naw, other than being interested in the movement on a personal level
09:53 < kanzure> movement?
09:54 < Drakkar> yeah, the recent surge of transhumanist stuff
09:54 < Drakkar> I mean technically the world has always been transhumanist, especially with medical science
09:54 < Drakkar> but still
09:55 < kanzure> ah okay. "movement" could have meant anything going on in here.. the hardware stuff, transhumanist stuff, diybio stuff, etc.
09:55 < Drakkar> yeah
09:55 < Drakkar> I'm actually a big fan of all of it
09:55 < Drakkar> haha
09:58 < kanzure> someone was reading "biopunk" the other day and saw my name in it, so he called me up
09:58 < kanzure> so now i'm leaving for lunch in a few minutes with this guy
09:59 < kanzure> claims he has a few things to bring up.. should be interesting. works as the owner of some merger/acquisitions company?
10:00 < Drakkar> interesting
10:17 < kanzure> stalk: alexandre guedes
10:18 < kanzure> i don't know why i know this name, but apparently he was doing brlcad work at some point
10:20 < kanzure> cool brlcad "has permission from the boole authors to do what we want with boole"
10:22 < Drakkar> haha
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12:19 < kanzure> huh that went better than i thought it would
12:20 < kanzure> he wanted to start a project so i thought it would be something ridiculous
12:20 < kanzure> instead, he just wants to play around with a used dna sequencer
12:38 < Drakkar> hah
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13:31 < kanzure> Tyrant: so, i told the guy that he should probably just buy the same model dna sequencer as socal-diybio
13:31 < kanzure> that way, he can follow along with you guys
13:32 < kanzure> it's an abi prism 301 right?
13:32 < kanzure> http://socal-diybio.org/Gene_Sequencer
13:32 < kanzure> oh.. 310
13:32 < kanzure> well that changes everything
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13:48 < kanzure> it sounded like you had a lot of problems with it though
13:48 < kanzure> argon laser not working, etc.
13:49 < kanzure> Tyrant: anyway, if you have any hints that'd be cool
13:49 < kanzure> if it's not worth it to buy a broken abi prism then i'll just tell him to spend $4k or whatever to get something that works
13:53 < kanzure> haha i like how ABI's "application notes" are crazy
13:53 < kanzure> "A workflow for reliable resequencing of human mitochondrial genomes"
13:54 < kanzure> take that, atmel "How to make an AVR blink" ANs
13:58 < kanzure> see https://products.appliedbiosystems.com/ab/en/US/adirect/ab?cmd=catNavigate2&catID=600525&tab=Literature
14:08 < kanzure> i wonder if raymond can get me a deal on an illumina
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15:25 < Tyrant> Hey kanzure
15:34 < Jappe2> uploading
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17:02 < kanzure> heh adrian is teaching reprap classes now http://blog.reprap.org/2011/04/uk-reprap-master-class.html
17:05 < kanzure> also, numbers: http://blog.reprap.org/2011/04/rewriting-history.html
17:31 < kanzure> oh god they are still using blender
17:31 < kanzure> http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/2011/04/going-digital/
17:31 < kanzure> i know opencascade is awful but they should at least use that
17:34 < kanzure> http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/2011/04/explosion-after-the-online-ted-talk/
17:38 < kanzure> "completion of the GVCS by 2012,"
18:30 < kanzure> fenn: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/blame_nse/c000/1.html
18:34 < Tyrant> hey kanzure
18:34 < Tyrant> that tag cloud you have was written in python right?
18:49 < kanzure> yes
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19:17 < Tyrant> kanzure, can you link me to the source again?
19:21 < kanzure> it's somewhere in here: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/meetlog
19:34 < Tyrant> alright thank yuo
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19:48 < kanzure> new henry markram talk http://www.brainforum.it/brainforum-2011-ondemand
19:48 < kanzure> mentioned here: http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/48583-new-talk-of-henry-markram/
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19:53 < ybit> nice
19:53 < ybit> thx for the link
19:53 < ybit> btw..
19:53  * ybit is alive! w00t.
19:53 < ybit> tornadoes can't touch this
19:54 < kanzure> pussy, you should have gone tornado hunting!
19:55 < ybit> the "completion of the GVCS by 2012" wasn't as interesting as "first working post-scarcity community created by 2014"
19:55 < kanzure> GVCS seems more interesting to me
19:55 < ybit> that's an excellent idea
19:55 < kanzure> a "working community" that isn't replicable is worthless
19:55 < ybit> tornado hunting
19:56 < ybit> i'm just curious how it turns out
19:57 < ybit> they seem to be more skilled than me considering i'm doing good just to construct a building for my crap
19:58 < kanzure> "more skilled" what?
19:58 < ybit> they already have 3 buildings and ~6 machines! :)
19:58 < kanzure> i have trouble remembering that not everyone is a learning sponge
19:58 < ybit> more manpower and money helps
19:59 < kanzure> iirc they have no money
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19:59 < ybit> also, while a tornado was passing through, a psychiatrist decided i most likely have asperger's... seems to be the popular diagnosis for psychiatrists these days
19:59 < ybit> all i want is adderall, is that too much to ask?
20:00 < ybit> http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/adrafinil.modafinil.html ftw
20:01 < kanzure> guy i met today was like "if only there was a drug that lets me stay awake longer"
20:01 < kanzure> GOOD NEWS
20:01 < ybit> heh
20:01 < ybit> "it's called loud music!"
20:01 < Drakkar> lmao ybit
20:01 < ybit> and crack
20:02 < kanzure> crack through the eyes
20:02 < ybit> how much money did you make off that guy? did you tell him it was fine bolivian crack? ;)
20:06 < ybit> speaking of rhetorical questions, what has charlie/genehacker been up to?
20:06 < kanzure> no clue
20:06 < ybit> you live closest to him
20:06 < ybit> you should know
20:06 < kanzure> yes but when you're in school it's a blackhole
20:06 < kanzure> he might be out of school.. dunno
20:07 < JayDugger> kanzure, do you know of any reliable reports comparing modafinil with adderall for ADD/ADHD?
20:07 < ybit> hrm, i haven't looked yet
20:07 < ybit> you can try scholar.google.com
20:07 < ybit> and paste what you find
20:08 < kanzure> JayDugger: no
20:08 < ybit> i've got a nice report on alternative treatments for ADD
20:08 < JayDugger> Link?
20:08 < ybit> it basically lets you know that all the alt treatments suck
20:09 < ybit> sec, i'll upload, don't want to google
20:09 < JayDugger> Ha!
20:09 < JayDugger> Never mind, then.
20:09 < JayDugger> Thank you both nonetheless.
20:10 < ybit> Oh, okay.
20:10 < ybit> Nutrients and Botanicals for Treatment of Stress: Neurotransmitter Imbalance, Anxiety, and Restless Sleep is a good paper as well
20:11 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/adderall.txt
20:12 < kanzure> i used to have a /adderall directory but i see it has no contents even locally. i wonder where that went
20:12 < AJollyLife> JayDugger: ive tried both, modafinil feels cleaner. although i can say personally that being continiously on adhd meds ends badly for me
20:13 < kanzure> "However, mean plasma concentration is prolonged by 2.5 hours (using a 900 calorie standard high-fat meal as the control)."
20:13 < kanzure> AJollyLife: i've been on adderall for over a decade,
20:13 < kanzure> and when i go a month off of it, i seem to be ok
20:13 < kanzure> so i am very lucky :)
20:13 < AJollyLife> nice
20:14 < kanzure> otherwise i'd be fucked :x
20:14 < AJollyLife> me off adhd meds is much more fun, social, outgoing, less depressy, ect
20:14 < AJollyLife> but I get so little done. its a pain :(
20:16 < kanzure> haha wow the notes in adderall.txt are kind of ridiculous
20:16 < kanzure> "ok fuck this proprietary tech, here's the CEO's phone number, here's his maid's phone number: "
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20:17 < delinquentme_> umm anyone happen to know if the stemcells harvested from teeth are legit pluripotent or not?
20:18 < kanzure> it doesn't matter you can make any stem cell pluripotent these days
20:18 < ybit> JayDugger: this may be the lamest site to upload to but, i've a problem with nginx and i don't feel like poking around
20:18 < ybit> http://www.2shared.com/document/d5qDVNK7/Nutrients_and_Botanicals_for_T.html
20:18 < ybit> http://www.2shared.com/document/NVPf8P-E/Alternative_Treatments_for_Adu.html
20:18 < kanzure> delinquentme_: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/Generation%20of%20human%20induced%20pluripotent%20stem%20cells%20by%20delivery%20of%20reprogramming%20proteins.pdf
20:18 < kanzure> delinquentme_: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/Generation%20of%20induced%20pluripotent%20stem%20cells%20using%20recombinant%20proteins.pdf
20:19 < kanzure> delinquentme_: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/Generation%20of%20mouse-induced%20pluripotent%20stem%20cells%20by%20transient%20expression%20of%20a%20single%20nonviral%20polycistronic%20vector.pdf
20:19 < kanzure> "quick facts" http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/Induced%20pluripotent%20stem%20cells%20-%20quick%20facts.pdf
20:19 < delinquentme_> ive heard about that
20:19 < kanzure> "brief overview" http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/brief%20overview%20of%20methods%20for%20reprogramming%20to%20induced%20pluripotency.pdf
20:19 < delinquentme_> now are reversed pluris as differentiable as embronic?
20:19 < kanzure> and some notes: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/notes.txt
20:22 < delinquentme_> why hasnt this gotten more publicity
20:22 < kanzure> it did for a while :)
20:23 < kanzure> but yes it's great
20:23 < delinquentme_> like i cant help but think theres a catch..
20:23 < delinquentme_> or do regular people just not give a shit?
20:23 < kanzure> the catch: you need to be able to do stem cell cultures
20:23 < kanzure> "regular people" aren't running stem cell cultures
20:24 < delinquentme_> but any old lab can run the cultures cant they?
20:24 < kanzure> i suppose.. if the professor is interested
20:24 < kanzure> and if they have funding
20:24 < kanzure> and if they are allowed to.. etc.
20:24 < delinquentme_> ahh
20:24 < delinquentme_> thoughts on cryoing the stem cells within wisdom teeth?
20:25 < kanzure> none- haven't thought about that much
20:25 < kanzure> i think someone published a diybio guide to harvesting stem cells though
20:25 < delinquentme_> about to get mine yanked and i cant see any reason why NOT to
20:25 < kanzure> i remember it was really incomplete :( but it might be around the webz
20:25 < kanzure> yeah you can probably find something on protocol-online.net
20:27 < kanzure> Drakkar: is this what you were looking for?
20:31 < delinquentme_> fuck yeah dude
20:32 < delinquentme_> "sucessfully maintained for more than 35 passages" ?
20:32 < kanzure> cool but i really did mean Drakkar
20:32 < delinquentme_> 35 cultures?
20:32 < kanzure> delinquentme_: probably the transformations?
20:32 < kanzure> maybe
20:35 < Drakkar> hahaha
20:37 < delinquentme_> cool im passing out
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23:16 < kanzure> back
23:27 < kanzure> Tyrant: do you know how much you guys paid for the prism 310?
23:28 < Tyrant> nothing
23:28 < Tyrant> it was free
23:32 < kanzure> ok
23:32 < kanzure> the "neighborly" thing for me to do would be to buy the same model
23:54 < kanzure> On Apr 28, 8:07 pm, Gavin Scott <ga...@allegro.com> wrote:
23:54 < kanzure> >
23:54 < kanzure> > I personally think it's probably not a good idea for the DIYbio movement to
23:54 < kanzure> > get associated with projects like this.
23:54 < kanzure> It's about on par with asking people to eat two sticks of butter or 2
23:54 < kanzure> cups of coconut oil every day, long term, to measure their cognitive
23:54 < kanzure> abilities -- something that's clearly guesstimated by current medicine
23:54 < kanzure> to be bad for the health.  Compare differing projects with equal
23:54 < kanzure> weighting.
23:55 < kanzure> haha
23:55 < kanzure> ahahah
23:56 < kanzure> (Although, the fact that something might be bad for health doesn't defer from whether or not it actually improves any mental ability, etc.)
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